Your Team Chemistry Ratings

Think about everything you’ve ever heard about team chemistry. People say it’s an important thing, maybe the most important thing, but it’s impossible to put any numbers to. So let’s put some numbers to it.

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Those are numbers. Those are your numbers, in fact. I guess you could say those are technically bars, which represent numbers, but, you know what I mean. And, you’re responsible for what you’re looking at. I polled you guys on Tuesday. That’s the meat of the outcome. Congratulations, Cubs. Sorry about your clubhouse, Atlanta.

I’ve done these things before, and I always use the same scoring method. I asked you whether you thought a given team’s chemistry was very bad, pretty bad, decent, pretty good, or very good. I tallied up all the results and gave each vote a score from 1 to 5, with 5 going to “very good.” The rating you see above is each team’s average vote. I shouldn’t need to tell you this doesn’t prove any single thing. None of the voters, or at least very very few of the voters, know for a fact how a team’s chemistry is. But let’s not pretend like perceptions aren’t interesting.

As I usually do — here’s the landscape of how many people voted for each team. Always fun to get a glimpse in a way of the FanGraphs demographics.

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Cubs fans came out in droves, suggesting that Cubs fans are hanging out in droves. And there’s every reason for them to be, given that the Cubs have been totally dominant, and our numbers all like them. Cubs fans also led in participation in February when I polled the audience about season excitement levels. The most popular teams then: the Cubs, Blue Jays, and Red Sox. Here: the Cubs, Mariners, and Blue Jays, with the Red Sox in fourth. Mariners fans have been pleasantly surprised by the team’s performance, I’m sure, and my own Twitter account is also partially selective for that population.

The least popular teams in February, based on participation: the Marlins, Rays, and Padres. Now: the Rays, Rockies, and Reds. The Marlins and Padres are down there too. We’ve never been able to attract much of a Rockies audience. There would be a few reasons for that.

Let’s now get back on track. I made what I consider a polling error when I asked you all for chemistry ratings. I presented the five options, but I should’ve presented a sixth option — “no opinion.” As was correctly pointed out by a commenter, I unintentionally guided people toward answers, and I wish I hadn’t done that. It would be interesting to see where people do and do not have opinions! But what’s done is done, and the results at least reflect how people feel, among those people with feelings.

If you look at that first plot, you’ll notice it seems like good teams have good chemistry, and bad teams have worse chemistry. You could try to correlate these results with any number of things, but this already gets you most of the way. Here’s a plot of team rating vs. team winning percentage through Monday:

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So, this probably isn’t surprising. There’s an extremely strong relationship between early team performance and the perception of that team’s chemistry. You could argue, I guess, that chemistry is therefore easily the most important variable. The Cubs have good chemistry, and they’re great! The Braves have bad chemistry, and they’re horrible! But the argument is at least as strong in the other direction, of course. Causality has always been one of the issues. I also suspect there’s a hint of a bias. Our perception of chemistry is influenced by reporting, and reporters might be more likely to pass along happy stories when a team is successful. When a team isn’t successful, the opposite could take place. This is my own speculation, but I imagine it isn’t nothing.

Maybe more interesting than the ratings are the differences between the ratings and the expected ratings, just based on the team winning percentage. It’s easy enough to come up with a formula to yield an expected rating, and here’s a plot of where the teams land compared to that:

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The Royals come out looking terrifically good. That one’s not hard to make sense of: though they’ve played around .500, they just won the damn championship, and they haven’t had too much turnover. It should be a similar story for the Giants; they’ve kept a lot of the clubhouse intact, and there are enough holdovers from the championship rosters that obviously worked well together. The Pirates are right there with the Giants, and it’s hard to think of examples of lousy team behavior under Clint Hurdle. As for the Mariners, they prioritized chemistry over the offseason, and much has been written about that. There seems to be a considerable contrast between this clubhouse and last year’s version.

At the other end, we find the Nationals, who I have to assume are paying the price here for what happened last summer. And in fairness, many of the same players are around, including Bryce Harper and Jonathan Papelbon. Down the stretch a season ago, the situation might’ve been considered toxic, and while Dusty Baker is one of those proven leader-of-men sorts, it’ll take time for the perception to change. The Marlins? Probably a Loria effect that we’re seeing. Even with a positive new manager, it’s hard to forget that Loria looms over everything. Fans know that, and players know that. I could write a sentence or two about the Padres, but I’d rather not.

What does any of this mean? Very possibly nothing. Very possibly more than nothing, but I can’t pretend to know right now. It’ll be interesting to see if good-chemistry teams over-perform, and if bad-chemistry teams under-perform. And again, maybe that won’t be interesting, but it’s just fun to have some numbers that a few days ago didn’t exist. Thank you for your participation, and, I’m sure it won’t be long until the next polling-post project. All y’all are fun to study.





Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.

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j6takish
10 years ago

“I could write a sentence or two about the Padres, but I’d rather not.”

Classic Sullivan.

Aaron (UK)
10 years ago
Reply to  j6takish

I hope he tags it under the Padres category too.

Greg
10 years ago
Reply to  j6takish

So good

johansantana17Member since 2026
10 years ago
Reply to  j6takish

In all fairness, screw the Padres.

Big Daddy V
10 years ago

I have a feeling that if you ran this poll 2 days later, the Tigers fans would have been much more positive because Cameron Maybin exists now.

Garyth
10 years ago

Atlanta is so bad that they have a positive (Chemistry – ExpectedChemistry) rating. I think the next poll needs a “toxic” option for -1.

wildcard09
10 years ago

I really want to see this done at the end of the year, when standings are finalized. I imagine it’ll paint an even more clear picture of how perceived team chemistry is tied to winning, especially if some of these top teams now start struggling and miss the playoffs.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
10 years ago

I have the feeling that the Nats Chemistry delta is entirely a proxy for how much the voters dislike Jonathan Papelbon. Which is fair. But I’ve not heard a peep coming from the clubhouse to suggest that this is an issue at all.

Brians Sticky Sock
10 years ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

I think they’re completely wrong, but a lot of my fellow Cubs fans think Harper is a complete asswipe and causes chemistry problems. I wonder if other fan bases feel the same way. I think after last year’s disappointment I think nationally their chemistry is still questioned… this is not how I feel, just anecdotally what I’m picking up from others.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
10 years ago

I think a lot of Cubs fans spend too much time standing on their porch yelling at those damn kids to get off their lawn 🙂

More seriously, that’s another of those things that exists entirely outside of the Nats clubhouse. Just fans making assumptions about players that they personally don’t like.

Garys of OldeMember since 2016
10 years ago

I don’t know how widespread that is. I am a Cubs fan and I love Harper. Papelbon, on the other hand…

Brians Sticky Sock
10 years ago
Reply to  Garys of Olde

Gary… just a bunch that I know and talk to… that’s why I made sure to say it was anecdotal.

ahduthMember since 2024
10 years ago
Reply to  Garys of Olde

Yeah this, play like Harper, don’t try murdering people in the dugout, or whatever that was.

JoeMember since 2020
10 years ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

I don’t follow the Nats too closely but from the one or two games I’ve seen it looked like they were having a lot of fun in the dugout which surprised me because I always assumed they hated each other after last year.

Brian ReinhartMember since 2016
10 years ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

The Nationals are a really interesting case. On the one hand, Jonathan Papelbon tried to strangle the MVP. On the other hand, the organization inspires uncommon loyalty – word is Strasburg was very motivated to re-sign without testing the market, and a new report says Jayson Werth revised his contract to defer more money and help with payroll flexibility.

I have heard a lot of reports that Matt Williams ran a nervous, high-strung, high-pressure clubhouse, and Dusty Baker’s hug-it-out attitude is helping everybody relax and find the groove.

Brians Sticky Sock
10 years ago
Reply to  Brian Reinhart

I’ve heard and noticed much the same thing. All good points!

Moranall
10 years ago

I know they’re not living up to pre-season expectations (among fans) but any true Dbacks fan that actually watches games would quickly acknowledge they have good chemistry. They’re a lot of young guys and they have a lot of fun on the field. They’ve even made their own thing (“driving the bus”).

But Jeff nailed it above – winning percentage affects the perception of chemistry.

RainmakerMember since 2016
10 years ago
Reply to  Moranall

Yeah, I thought the rankings missed the boat on that one. D-Backs definitely have one of the better vibes in baseball. Some rough starting pitching has really drive the poor start.

pepitone
10 years ago
Reply to  Moranall

Moranall is 100 percent spot on. Some might wonder if it’s part of the problem. All nice guys, could maybe use an agitator like Harper?

Aviato
10 years ago
Reply to  Moranall

Just wait for the team grit ratings. The Dbacks will be off the charts.

ahduthMember since 2024
10 years ago
Reply to  Moranall

I thought the Dbacks had good chemistry! The poll maybe should’ve required you to answer for every team, on a scale. I will admit to having watched the Cubs a lot this year, just because they knock everyone down, and I’ve never seen it before.

ahduthMember since 2024
10 years ago
Reply to  ahduth

And I do very much think chemistry is a “thing,” even if that thing is only that which is unanswerable by people’s math. “The market is always perfect” people need to go somewhere awful to die.

j6takish
10 years ago

Teams that have long winning streaks seem to magically have clubhouse chemistry as well. If you have 2 teams with identical win percentage, but one consistently wins 2 out of 3 and the other one goes on long win streaks, the streaky team will get more “clubhouse chemistry” articles written about them

repre
10 years ago

Laughable ratings considering Dbacks have GREAT chemistry and lockerroom led by Peralta and Goldy. Everybody have fun and get along with each other. I get this is just fangraphs community ratings so they are biased, but this is also tell much about knowledge level.

Luy
10 years ago
Reply to  repre

I don’t think “biased” means what you think it does.
Either that, or you do, and you flatter the Dbacks by suspecting a vast national conspiracy against them.

repre
10 years ago
Reply to  Luy

not conspiracy, just poor knowledge of subject

Brians Sticky Sock
10 years ago

I was very curious to see how the White Sox’ chemistry would be with their additions and so far everything has meshed. Hahn has done a great job retooling that team.

nscheer
10 years ago

it may have been a good idea to limit voting to one team (ideally, the team you follow the most) so the results aren’t skewed by, for instance, cubs fans answering the question (negatively) for the cardinals/white sox out of spite (i admit, i did this… sorry.).

cass
10 years ago

The Nationals had terrible chemistry last year. Barry Svrluga got exclusive access to the clubhouse on the condition he not publish until the season was decided one way or another. His behind-the-scenes accounts of the team last year were scathing:

Part 1: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/the-nationals-started-the-season-slowly-but-by-may-they-looked-to-be-on-track/2015/09/28/33713892-613e-11e5-9757-e49273f05f65_story.html

Part 2: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/bryce-harpers-emergence-is-overshadowed-by-nationals-teammates-injuries/2015/09/29/f2df4130-63a3-11e5-9757-e49273f05f65_story.html

Part 3: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/trade-for-jonathan-papelbon-had-disastrous-results-for-the-nationals/2015/09/30/0aef1564-66ee-11e5-8325-a42b5a459b1e_story.html

So, yes, Matt Williams definitely lost the team, but it was more than that, going up to Rizzo and the Lerners for demoting Storen and bringing in Papelbon and then the famous argument and then choking. A lot of Nats fans and others speculated (and some players seem to say) that free agents weren’t signing with the Nats because of the clubhouse here.

This year has seemed to be better and Strasburg signed his extension citing the fact he liked playing here – he’s consistently said that for a few years as well, and specifically said he appreciated the team taking care of him with the shutdown even though he wasn’t happy about it at the time. So I gave the team the second worst rating for chemistry this year figuring those issues are simmering beneath the surface but last year’s team I would have given the absolute worst rating possible, and even that wouldn’t be enough for how bad things were, really. I don’t think there’s any doubt the chemistry is better this year, but by how much? Papelbon is still here, after all.

rbemont
10 years ago

I think “chemistry” is just the word that used to replace “randomness” or “luck” or “unrepeatable skill”, etc. It’s a narrative to fill in the gaps.

The Cardinals had great “chemistry” in 2013 when they went BARISP crazy … and then they lost that “chemistry” in the playoffs. Now, it could be because they weren’t getting along and lost that lovin feelin … or it could be because of facing stronger pitching … or small sample data … or just bad luck.

I’ve been on both extremes in my baseball life, and I’ve coached both extremes in the my baseball … and they seem to parallel the ideas expressed in the book Ball Four.

You can be on a losing team and absolutely love your teammates, and you can be on a highly successful team and not be able to stand your teammates, and not want to be around them. I’ve done both. I’ve been on some below average teams where everyone would hang out year round, and I’ve been on some very, very good teams where once practice was over everyone went their own directions and didn’t see each other again until the next day’s baseball event. Hell, on a few of the really good teams, there’d be fist fights over stupid crap like a game of RBI baseball, or what cereal is best (Lucky Charms vs. Count Chocula is a highly emotional issue), or even dumber stuff. Winning makes those situations tolerable. At the end of those seasons, the main feeling is just relief.

The whole “chemistry” thing is made up in my opinion. Have any of Barry Bonds teams liked him or had great chemistry? Are there not players that are among the most “well liked” throughout the league that have never won world series titles? Wouldn’t acquiring players like these extremes drastically affect the chemistry of their new team?

If the Phillies regress and get back to (or below) .500, it won’t be because of a decrease in chemistry or because they aren’t getting along. It will be simply due to regression and/or larger samples.

Chemistry seems to be one of those things people attribute success/failure to when they can’t find anything else.

Aviato
10 years ago
Reply to  rbemont

I’ll fight anyone who says that Lucky Charms are inferior to Count Chocula.

borigh
10 years ago
Reply to  rbemont

So, I’m not going to totally disagree with you, because baseball is basically an individual sport masquerading as a team game, but I still think you’re going too far.
First, chemistry isn’t about how much you like or don’t like your teammates. It’s easier to have good chemistry if you like them, but liking them is not necessary for good chemistry. Chemistry is, essentially, how conducive group dynamics are toward individuals applying maximum effort at the optimal processes for team success. If you’re selling Real Estate, in Glengarry Glen Ross, hating the other guy can drive you to try to outdo him. (Happens in a lot of sales offices, and in the lower levels of finance.) If you’re doing paired programming at a software company, either hating or loving the other person might make you more likely to correct their work. The office cares if you sell real estate or write a lot of good code. Emotional investment in the process makes that more likely, to a point.
Second, to say “chemistry isn’t a thing” is to argue that humans are perfectly logical robots whose performances are not significantly impacted by their emotional state. The argument “baseball teams have roughly equal chemistry, in general, and this leads to roughly equal chemistry-based outcomes” is fine. But I think at least a substantial minority of human beings have their work performance significantly impacted by their office environment.
Now, I’m biased, because I’ve looked at enough i/o psych and behavioral econ stuff to just assume stuff like this is important everywhere, but I think if you loosen your definition of “good chemistry” and consider a baseball team to be something like a mid-sized office, the “chemistry doesn’t exist” take might cool down to more reasonable simmer.

mike89
10 years ago

Glad the numbers pretty much correlate for the Mets. There have been a few articles about how d’Arnaud and Plawecki have been working together often over the years and trying to make each other better rather than negative competition. Conforto and Syndergaard even live with each other. For the first time in a while it really seems like the team works well with each other

mike89
10 years ago
Reply to  mike89

That’s stupid

Bronnt
10 years ago

So the Braves are like a random collection of guys who just met on the team bus. I mean, yeah.

Alex87878
10 years ago

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