Yu Darvish Reflects How the Dodgers Excel

The stat wars are over, and the bodies are buried. Some teams still run more numbers than others, and not every organization has made the same analytical investment, but by and large, the baseball industry has embraced the analytical revolution. We don’t need to go into this. I don’t want to go into this. Baseball has leaned so hard into the numbers that, if anything, it’s created an accidental problem of homogeneous thought. Intellectual diversity might currently be at a relative low. Did you hear about the new GM? He’s just like every other GM. That’s a stupid joke that doesn’t refer to anyone, but it could also refer to almost everyone. This entire paragraph is old hat by now.

Every baseball team has numbers coming out of its ears. Every baseball team has employees with ideas of how the team could be better. The new separator is buy-in. Let’s say you’ve got a player. Let’s say the team thinks it could help the player improve. Will the player be responsive? Does the player trust the people delivering the message? We’ve entered an era of middlemen, of organizations concentrating on finding or developing better communicators. Everyone has the data. The best teams get the players to listen.

At the end of July, right up against the deadline, the Dodgers traded for Yu Darvish. The Dodgers had ideas. Yu Darvish listened.

This isn’t something that makes the Dodgers exceptional. They don’t have baseball’s only good front office or coaching staff. And the Dodgers and Darvish aren’t the only example of a player changing teams and opening up to potential improvements. You could consider even the same Dodgers with Tony Cingrani, another midseason pick-up. The Dodgers wanted Cingrani to change his locations and pitch usage. Cingrani was willing, and now he’s on the roster for the World Series. All players want to get as good as they can. Players and teams generally want the same things.

Cingrani, though — when he was picked up, he was a fringe reliever. That’s how it is for a lot of these guys. Many of the usual cases involve players who’re fighting to stay in the majors. Darvish was never on the major-league bubble. Yu Darvish is one of the higher-profile pitchers in the sport, and at the end of these playoffs, he’ll enter free agency. Darvish has little to prove, and he would’ve been right to be stubborn. Yet when Darvish arrived with the Dodgers, the Dodgers had ideas, and Darvish was happy to cooperate.

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Andy McCullough wrote an article on August 4. I’ll include for you an excerpt:

At the team hotel in Manhattan, Darvish met with general manager Farhan Zaidi, who advised him on how to attack that night’s hitters. Zaidi opened a laptop and revealed how Darvish could optimize his arsenal, altering the locations and pitch sequences he utilized during five seasons with Texas.

Here’s part of a recent follow-up, from Bill Plunkett:

The Dodgers have encouraged Darvish to change a number of things since he joined them from Texas – his arm slot, the rhythm of his delivery and his pitch mix.

“Yeah – except his beautiful face. Is that what Yu said?” Kershaw joked, referring to Darvish’s answer at a news conference during the NL Division Series.

Here’s something from Plunkett toward the end of August:

Before Yu Darvish joined the Dodgers, pitching coach Rick Honeycutt did his homework, studying video of the right-hander from throughout his career with the Texas Rangers.
[…]
Honeycutt noticed Darvish would sometimes tilt his back shoulder down farther during the first half of his delivery than he had early in his career. The result was a higher arm slot when Darvish released the ball.

You’d think that, when a team trades for someone like Darvish, the idea is simple. Plug Darvish in, and let him light up the room. You wouldn’t ordinarily trade for someone already so good, and then ask that player to change. But the Dodgers wanted Darvish to change, and they talked to him about it almost immediately. They wanted him to change up his timing. They wanted him to change his pitch frequencies and patterns. More significantly, they wanted him to make a change to his mechanics. A pitcher is his mechanics, more than anything else, yet Honeycutt and the Dodgers wanted a tweak. We’re not talking about an overhaul here, yet the result has still been striking.

Here’s Darvish as a Ranger, and Darvish as a recent Dodger. In the recent screenshot, Darvish’s shoulders are more level, which you can track by keeping an eye on his glove hand, relative to the location of the plate.

The idea was that the Dodgers wanted to bring Darvish’s arm slot back down. Here are two shots, immediately after release.

I’m not sure if those visuals are convincing. Thankfully, Brooks Baseball can help. In the plot below, Darvish’s average vertical release points over time, broken down by month.

You should be able to spot the changes. Darvish, at first, had a certain release point. Then he underwent Tommy John surgery, and, when he came back, his release point had been raised. That’s what the Dodgers wanted to get rid of. They wanted Darvish to throw more like his old self, and the data suggests this transition has gone pretty well. After joining the Dodgers, Darvish dropped his average release point more than two inches. In the playoffs, he’s dropped his average release point by another two inches. The actual change, perhaps, has been subtle, but the effect has been fairly dramatic, as these things go. Release points tend not to change much during the year. Certainly not for No. 1 starters. The Darvish case is an atypical one, as he’s put his trust in his brand-new and short-term employer.

It’s not even clear how much everything is helping. Because, again, Darvish was already great. But, over his last five starts, including two in the playoffs, he’s allowed just four runs, with two walks and 35 strikeouts. It could all be a blip, a good pitcher on a hot streak, but this would be only reinforcing the trust. Darvish wouldn’t have known much about the Dodgers at the time of the deadline trade, but, immediately, they got to working together. The Dodgers had ideas to convey, and those ideas were effectively communicated and received.

It should go without saying that Darvish is but a single player, meaning this is basically anecdotal. Maybe it hardly means anything. Maybe Darvish is just unusually open to new information, and he would’ve been looking to change anywhere. Maybe he would’ve made his own mechanical changes, unprompted. We can’t know how these few months would’ve gone otherwise. And once more, the Dodgers aren’t some wonderful anomaly. The Astros have gotten different players to buy in to all kinds of things. No team has been more experimental. And that story has gone around saying that Justin Verlander got better after making use of the Astros’ high-speed cameras. Some teams are good at communicating, and some teams have fallen behind.

But the Dodgers deserve credit for so many things. They are, firstly, incredibly talented and incredibly deep. Lots of plain ol’ good ballplayers. They seem to be good about developing young players. Dave Roberts has kept the clubhouse cohesive, where it’s gone off the rails in the past. And the Dodgers are able to communicate clearly. Players trust them to help, and messages are delivered without being overwhelming. There’s no better example than Yu Darvish. Darvish was already a No. 1 pitcher, joining a new team for two or three months, yet trust was established even before his first start, and it hasn’t in any way waned. Darvish has placed his faith in the organization, which makes it that much easier for the organization to place its faith in Yu Darvish.





Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.

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Giolito's changeup
8 years ago

Jeff,

Thanks for including the sequence of screenshots to highlight your observation. It is much easier for the less trained eye to see the changes in pitching or hitting mechanics than from video at normal speed.

WARrior
8 years ago

Several interesting observations from that graph. First, he dropped his release point by six inches. That’s a lot! as Jeff would say.

Second, as Jeff mentioned, his release point went way up, as much as six inches for offspeed, following TJ surgery. Is that something that has happened to other pitchers? If so, why, and if not, why did it happen to Darvish?

Third, in 2012, 2013 and this year (even before he joined the Dodgers), his release point dropped later in the season. In fact, before he joined the Dodgers, he was back at about the point where he was before TJ, though not as low as he had been earlier in his career. One might wonder if that were related to getting tired as the season progressed. When his release point rose following TJ, he had missed a whole year, and presumably was rested. Yet the Dodgers seem to think this late season change should actually be encouraged and exaggerated.

mikejuntMember
8 years ago
Reply to  WARrior

That’s not accurate. The data point for 8/17 where he returns to the previous release point is for August, and Darvish was acquired at the non-waiver trade deadline of 7/31, so it reflects his efforts with the Dodgers. The previous data point in the trendline is still in line with his post-TJS release point. In fact, from April to June, his release point consistently rose, which also coincided with a period of sub-par results for Darvish that created a lot of skepticism about his actual value prior to the trade deadline.

WARrior
8 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

His release point was at a maximum in the middle of June, just as it was in 2012, and to some extent in 2013. It was lower in the middle of July, before he moved to the Dodgers, though still very high. It was much lower in the middle of August, when he was with the Dodgers. I’m not questioning that the Dodgers had a lot to do with the lowering of the release point, but the graph indicates that it was coming down even before he joined them. In fact, it looks to me that most of the drop recorded by the middle of August was not due to his being with the Dodgers. The larger drop, of course, occurred in the following two months.

Handsome Wes
8 years ago

“Darvish, at first, had a certain release point. Then he underwent Tommy John surgery, and, when he came back, his release point had been raised. That’s what the Dodgers wanted to get rid of.”

LAD: Remember the way you used to throw? The way that contributed to Tommy John surgery?
YU: Yes.
LAD: Throw that way again. Who cares if you get injured – you’re not under contract for us next season.

Member since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  Handsome Wes

Because guys with higher release points don’t get hurt?

Mollycoddle
8 years ago
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We’re talking about one guy, Yu.

Member since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  Mollycoddle

Ok. Why would we think that a higher release point will reduce the chance of Darvish tearing his UCL again?

mikejuntMember
8 years ago
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There’s no shortage of comments from pitchers who had TJS and struggle to get their delivery back to being the way it was after the extended period where they can’t throw, both high and low.

While lowering of arm slot can be an indicator of fatigue in some pitchers, in others its just indicative of mechanical issues.

Yu Darvish pitched for over 10 years presumably with the lower armslot, then came back from TJS and was different. This is commonplace and there’s no particular indication that his old armslot lead to injury.

Further, a Yu Darvish who is 3 months from free agency and whose value has come into question due to not looking great might justifiably view a few months with a slightly higher risk of repetitive stress injury but return to high performance as a worthwhile career investment. I think it’s almost certainly the case that Darvish’s performance with the Dodgers has helped him in his upcoming signing period, as he can point to concrete changes that lead to a return to ace-caliber results to support an argument that he’s still that guy, when he very much didn’t look like that guy in Texas this season.

This comment infers two things we don’t know, 1: that this is increased risk for Yu Darvish and 2: that Yu Darvish would view that risk as detrimental to himself, but went along anyway.

There are ample reasons for either of those things to be untrue, and we will never know the answer. Its true that the incentives of players and teams do not align, but in this situation the incentives of the Dodgers and of Darvish are pretty similar: improve his results for a few months without getting him injured.

For the Dodgers, its to win a world series.

For Darvish, its both to win a world series and to maximize the value on what will almost certainly be the last sizable contract of his career. He’s young enough to get a 6-8 year deal and old enough that he wouldn’t sign another large deal when it’s over.

If he’s even increased his contract AAV by 2-3m yearly due to his improved performance in LA, it’s been a good thing for him, and its possible that it’s increased his high-end contract by a lot more than that. He’s now pretty clearly the high-upside pitcher with the lowest risk profile. Ohtani looks great but has never faced MLB hitters and just had surgery, and Tanaka has looked great again but has known elbow damage that could lead to TJS mid-contract.

Getting back to ace level on a high-profile stage is just about the best thing that could have happened to Yu Darvish’s bank account.

BryzMember since 2019
8 years ago

Dodgers to Darvish: “I love you, you’re perfect, now change.”

Sheikster33
8 years ago

From Yu Darvish to the Dallas Morning News:

“Though I have been pitching better the last four games, there are times I did not pitch well since I have come to the Dodgers, ” Darvish wrote in a text. “I have been thinking about the reasons why I have been able to pitch better. But before I do, I just want to say this: There should be no criticism of Doug Brocail or Brad Holman. They are both very good coaches without a doubt. They are also great people. I’m not the kind of person who lies, so please trust me when I say this.

“Since I came to the U.S., I was told ‘throw more fastballs’ and ‘pitch with better tempo’ from the entire team,” Darvish added. “I don’t disagree that this is good coaching. It is right and good coaching for a lot of players. But I also should mention that my best year was 2013 when I believe I had the lowest fastball percentage of my career.

“The Dodgers did talk to me about pitch selection, but what I am doing is still somewhat different from that. I guess the biggest difference that has helped me the most is that the Dodgers people have approached me and let me pitch the way I like to pitch.

“This may have to do with them winning so many games and it was a luxury they could afford. But there is no major difference in coaching or philosophy that has made me a better pitcher.”

Max Power
8 years ago
Reply to  Sheikster33

“I’m not the kind of person who lies”.

Isn’t this what the kind of person who lies would say?

Sheikster33
8 years ago

That was from 10/17/2017

Aaron Judge's Gavel
8 years ago

I was curious if his pitch selection changed much from TEX to LAD, looks like just some minor tweaking there: less cutters (14.9% to 13.5%) and sinkers (17.2% to 14.4%); more curves (4.0% to 8.4%).

lemurineMember since 2017
8 years ago

You have to wonder if this doesnt give the Dodgers an advantage in signing Darvish after this season. Thanks, Jeff, great article.

mikejuntMember
8 years ago
Reply to  lemurine

I think it works both ways because it increases his price and the Dodgers are likely to be somewhat financially limited this offseason if they wish to reset their luxury tax penalty, as it is their only real opportunity to do so with the 2018 mega free agency period on the horizon.

However, it does seem like Darvish has really enjoyed his experience and I think especially if they manage to win 3 of their remaining games they have an edge up. Their experience with Japanese players and having one with whom Darvish is friends on the roster has definitely helped him be quite comfortable as a Dodger.