2014 ZiPS Projections – San Francisco Giants
After having typically appeared in the entirely venerable pages of Baseball Think Factory, Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections were released at FanGraphs last year. The exercise continues this offseason. Below are the projections for the San Francisco Giants. Szymborski can be found at ESPN and on Twitter at @DSzymborski.
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Batters
A haphazard inspection of the 29 ZiPS posts to have preceded this one reveals that only one field player (Mike Trout, at 9.5) is projected to produce as many wins in 2014 as Buster Posey. Andrew McCutchen also crosses the six-win threshold. Everyone else: less than that. Offensively, Posey has demonstrated excellent control of the strike zone and also power on contact. Defensively, he plays a difficult position and plays it well. That’s an ideal player, more or less.
Not entirely like Buster Posey is free-agent acquisition and probable left fielder Michael Morse. Other people smarter than the present author have questioned the wisdom of the Morse signing for the Giants. Germane to this post is that ZiPS renders objectively the reasons for those questions. Morse has one skill, his raw power, nor is ZiPS even particularly confident about that: the .162 mark projected here would only be fourth on the club, not much greater than the figures assigned to Roger Kieschnick and Brett Pill.
Pitchers
The starting pitchers in the depth-chart graphic below are arranged not in order of expected rotation slot, but rather by projected WAR according to ZiPS. They also include just the five pitchers most likely to begin the season in the rotation. Were that latter caveat removed, however, Ryan Vogelsong would be omitted from the list, replaced by either Edwin Escobar or Clayton Blackburn. Of note, also: after outperforming his defense-independent figures by three wins between 2011 and -12, Vogelsong’s runs-allowed WAR actually underperformed his traditional one this past year by 1.2 wins.
By both park-adjusted FIP and park-adjusted ERA, the Giants bullpen was one of the majors’ worst five last season. Given the relative paucity of innings thrown by relievers and the other vagaries associated with them, that sort of unfortunate achievement is prone to positive regression. In the case of the Giants, however, ZiPS isn’t particularly optimistic about considerable improvement. Beyond Sergio Romo and maybe Javier Lopez, much of the unit is expected to hover around a league-average ERA. Fine in a vacuum, that, but even average relievers generally outperform starters by about a run of ERA.
Bench/Prospects
Neither shortstop Ehire Adrianza nor catcher Andrew Susac are considered elite prospects — not even within the system, really, as their omission from the top 10 of both Marc Hulet’s and Baseball America’s organizational lists suggests. That said, their projections here — and also those produced by Steamer, as well — would seem to indicate that they’re skilled enough to contribute in some capacity at the major-league level. In fact, the Giants have a number of these sorts. Gary Brown, Adam Duvall, Joe Panik: all three of them are projected to record figures somewhere between replacement-level and average.
Depth Chart
Below is a rough depth chart for the present incarnation of the Giants, with rounded projected WAR totals for each player. For caveats regarding WAR values see disclaimer at bottom of post. Click to embiggen image.
Ballpark graphic courtesy Eephus League. Depth charts constructed by way of those listed here at site and author’s own haphazard reasoning.
Batters, Counting Stats
| Player | B | Age | PO | PA | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | SB | CS |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Buster Posey | R | 27 | C | 583 | 71 | 150 | 31 | 2 | 18 | 83 | 3 | 1 |
| Pablo Sandoval | B | 27 | 3B | 555 | 64 | 140 | 28 | 3 | 17 | 81 | 1 | 1 |
| Brandon Belt | L | 26 | 1B | 562 | 73 | 130 | 31 | 4 | 16 | 70 | 9 | 4 |
| Hunter Pence | R | 31 | RF | 665 | 87 | 161 | 30 | 4 | 20 | 93 | 12 | 3 |
| Brandon Crawford | L | 27 | SS | 500 | 53 | 108 | 22 | 4 | 7 | 46 | 3 | 3 |
| Marco Scutaro | R | 38 | 2B | 545 | 65 | 139 | 23 | 4 | 4 | 44 | 4 | 1 |
| Angel Pagan | B | 32 | CF | 508 | 69 | 124 | 25 | 7 | 6 | 47 | 19 | 6 |
| Andrew Susac | R | 24 | C | 429 | 45 | 81 | 14 | 2 | 5 | 33 | 1 | 1 |
| Ehire Adrianza | B | 24 | SS | 512 | 52 | 102 | 22 | 5 | 3 | 39 | 11 | 5 |
| Gregor Blanco | L | 30 | CF | 441 | 52 | 92 | 15 | 5 | 4 | 33 | 17 | 6 |
| Andres Torres | B | 35 | CF | 269 | 34 | 55 | 14 | 3 | 3 | 21 | 9 | 3 |
| Adam Duvall | R | 25 | 3B | 508 | 55 | 103 | 21 | 4 | 13 | 55 | 3 | 2 |
| Joe Panik | L | 23 | 2B | 621 | 70 | 141 | 26 | 4 | 4 | 54 | 7 | 4 |
| Hector Sanchez | B | 24 | C | 327 | 29 | 76 | 16 | 0 | 6 | 47 | 0 | 1 |
| Gary Brown | R | 25 | CF | 573 | 67 | 122 | 25 | 5 | 7 | 54 | 19 | 12 |
| Brett Pill | R | 29 | 1B | 483 | 56 | 120 | 26 | 2 | 13 | 63 | 3 | 2 |
| Joaquin Arias | R | 29 | 3B | 311 | 30 | 76 | 12 | 3 | 3 | 28 | 3 | 1 |
| Brandon Hicks | R | 28 | SS | 411 | 44 | 76 | 16 | 2 | 11 | 39 | 6 | 3 |
| Tony Abreu | B | 29 | 2B | 401 | 42 | 92 | 22 | 4 | 5 | 40 | 4 | 4 |
| Mac Williamson | R | 23 | RF | 460 | 57 | 99 | 19 | 1 | 10 | 44 | 5 | 1 |
| Nick Noonan | L | 25 | 2B | 454 | 47 | 97 | 18 | 2 | 3 | 39 | 4 | 3 |
| Guillermo Quiroz | R | 32 | C | 255 | 24 | 50 | 12 | 1 | 4 | 24 | 0 | 0 |
| Michael Morse | R | 32 | RF | 427 | 48 | 100 | 20 | 1 | 14 | 47 | 0 | 1 |
| Jeff Arnold | R | 26 | C | 336 | 33 | 58 | 16 | 1 | 5 | 27 | 2 | 0 |
| Juan Perez | R | 27 | RF | 549 | 60 | 126 | 27 | 6 | 7 | 50 | 15 | 8 |
| Mark Minicozzi | R | 31 | 3B | 460 | 50 | 94 | 19 | 0 | 6 | 39 | 2 | 1 |
| Javier Herrera | R | 29 | LF | 540 | 60 | 113 | 27 | 2 | 10 | 53 | 15 | 7 |
| Roger Kieschnick | L | 27 | RF | 441 | 49 | 88 | 19 | 6 | 10 | 46 | 3 | 3 |
| Skyler Stromsmoe | B | 30 | SS | 256 | 26 | 50 | 9 | 1 | 1 | 17 | 5 | 4 |
| Todd Linden | B | 34 | 1B | 270 | 26 | 51 | 12 | 2 | 3 | 23 | 1 | 1 |
| Chris Dominguez | R | 27 | 3B | 522 | 51 | 111 | 22 | 3 | 9 | 52 | 4 | 4 |
| Angel Villalona | R | 23 | 1B | 540 | 55 | 105 | 23 | 0 | 14 | 53 | 0 | 0 |
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Batters, Rates and Averages
| Player | PA | BB% | K% | ISO | BABIP | BA | OBP | SLG | wOBA |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Buster Posey | 583 | 9.9% | 14.2% | .174 | .316 | .293 | .367 | .467 | .357 |
| Pablo Sandoval | 555 | 7.7% | 13.7% | .169 | .296 | .279 | .335 | .448 | .333 |
| Brandon Belt | 562 | 10.9% | 23.3% | .177 | .327 | .264 | .349 | .441 | .343 |
| Hunter Pence | 665 | 7.2% | 18.5% | .161 | .299 | .264 | .319 | .425 | .325 |
| Brandon Crawford | 500 | 7.6% | 19.6% | .113 | .288 | .238 | .301 | .351 | .282 |
| Marco Scutaro | 545 | 6.6% | 7.0% | .087 | .297 | .283 | .332 | .370 | .307 |
| Angel Pagan | 508 | 6.9% | 13.4% | .122 | .298 | .266 | .316 | .388 | .308 |
| Andrew Susac | 429 | 9.6% | 32.4% | .086 | .318 | .212 | .294 | .298 | .270 |
| Ehire Adrianza | 512 | 7.6% | 21.7% | .090 | .287 | .224 | .290 | .314 | .266 |
| Gregor Blanco | 441 | 10.4% | 20.6% | .095 | .299 | .238 | .319 | .333 | .291 |
| Andres Torres | 269 | 10.0% | 21.6% | .122 | .294 | .232 | .315 | .354 | .298 |
| Adam Duvall | 508 | 6.3% | 23.6% | .147 | .269 | .222 | .281 | .369 | .284 |
| Joe Panik | 621 | 6.8% | 12.7% | .081 | .281 | .249 | .303 | .330 | .281 |
| Hector Sanchez | 327 | 4.9% | 21.4% | .112 | .302 | .250 | .291 | .362 | .284 |
| Gary Brown | 573 | 4.9% | 21.5% | .107 | .289 | .232 | .285 | .339 | .274 |
| Brett Pill | 483 | 3.7% | 14.3% | .152 | .284 | .264 | .297 | .416 | .308 |
| Joaquin Arias | 311 | 2.9% | 13.8% | .091 | .291 | .259 | .282 | .350 | .271 |
| Brandon Hicks | 411 | 7.1% | 37.0% | .140 | .302 | .202 | .263 | .342 | .269 |
| Tony Abreu | 401 | 3.0% | 20.4% | .118 | .294 | .243 | .271 | .361 | .271 |
| Mac Williamson | 460 | 5.4% | 26.1% | .121 | .303 | .235 | .293 | .356 | .291 |
| Nick Noonan | 454 | 6.4% | 21.1% | .074 | .292 | .232 | .282 | .306 | .256 |
| Guillermo Quiroz | 255 | 6.3% | 25.5% | .113 | .279 | .216 | .273 | .329 | .263 |
| Michael Morse | 427 | 5.6% | 23.2% | .162 | .303 | .253 | .304 | .415 | .312 |
| Jeff Arnold | 336 | 6.0% | 36.9% | .107 | .291 | .187 | .245 | .294 | .243 |
| Juan Perez | 549 | 3.6% | 22.6% | .116 | .304 | .242 | .275 | .358 | .276 |
| Mark Minicozzi | 460 | 7.4% | 30.7% | .088 | .320 | .225 | .287 | .313 | .270 |
| Javier Herrera | 540 | 6.5% | 27.6% | .123 | .305 | .229 | .285 | .352 | .282 |
| Roger Kieschnick | 441 | 7.0% | 30.4% | .151 | .294 | .218 | .272 | .369 | .278 |
| Skyler Stromsmoe | 256 | 7.4% | 20.7% | .062 | .278 | .219 | .286 | .281 | .252 |
| Todd Linden | 270 | 7.0% | 30.0% | .102 | .293 | .206 | .270 | .308 | .260 |
| Chris Dominguez | 522 | 3.1% | 29.3% | .110 | .301 | .223 | .253 | .333 | .257 |
| Angel Villalona | 540 | 3.3% | 30.6% | .128 | .270 | .205 | .239 | .333 | .251 |
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Batters, Assorted Other
| Player | PA | RC/27 | OPS+ | Def | zWAR | No.1 Comp |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Buster Posey | 583 | 6.6 | 138 | 5 | 6.5 | Thurman Munson |
| Pablo Sandoval | 555 | 5.6 | 123 | -2 | 3.4 | Jim Lefebvre |
| Brandon Belt | 562 | 5.7 | 126 | 1 | 2.7 | Dan Driessen |
| Hunter Pence | 665 | 5.1 | 112 | 0 | 2.6 | Gary Ward |
| Brandon Crawford | 500 | 3.7 | 87 | 6 | 2.2 | Chris Gomez |
| Marco Scutaro | 545 | 4.7 | 102 | -3 | 2.2 | Mark Grudzielanek |
| Angel Pagan | 508 | 4.7 | 102 | -2 | 2.1 | Mookie Wilson |
| Andrew Susac | 429 | 3.0 | 72 | 1 | 1.3 | Ray Corbett |
| Ehire Adrianza | 512 | 3.2 | 74 | 3 | 1.3 | Manuel Francois |
| Gregor Blanco | 441 | 3.9 | 89 | -1 | 1.3 | Alex Cole |
| Andres Torres | 269 | 4.1 | 95 | 3 | 1.3 | Mitch Webster |
| Adam Duvall | 508 | 3.6 | 85 | 0 | 1.2 | Clay Bellinger |
| Joe Panik | 621 | 3.6 | 83 | -2 | 1.1 | Tim Harkrider |
| Hector Sanchez | 327 | 3.7 | 87 | -2 | 1.1 | Joe Oliver |
| Gary Brown | 573 | 3.3 | 79 | 2 | 1.0 | Chris Sheff |
| Brett Pill | 483 | 4.5 | 103 | 0 | 0.8 | Ron Coomer |
| Joaquin Arias | 311 | 3.6 | 81 | 2 | 0.7 | Francisco Matos |
| Brandon Hicks | 411 | 3.1 | 73 | -2 | 0.6 | Seth Bynum |
| Tony Abreu | 401 | 3.4 | 80 | 0 | 0.5 | Jose Olmeda |
| Mac Williamson | 460 | 3.8 | 86 | -1 | 0.4 | Wil Culmer |
| Nick Noonan | 454 | 3.0 | 70 | 3 | 0.4 | Jack Hannahan |
| Guillermo Quiroz | 255 | 3.1 | 73 | -3 | 0.3 | George Mitterwald |
| Michael Morse | 427 | 4.5 | 105 | -9 | 0.2 | Dan Ford |
| Jeff Arnold | 336 | 2.5 | 54 | 1 | 0.2 | Francisco Morales |
| Juan Perez | 549 | 3.5 | 81 | 2 | 0.1 | Alexis Gomez |
| Mark Minicozzi | 460 | 3.1 | 73 | -3 | 0.1 | Chris Saunders |
| Javier Herrera | 540 | 3.5 | 83 | -2 | 0.0 | Justin Ruggiano |
| Roger Kieschnick | 441 | 3.4 | 83 | 0 | -0.1 | Andy Tomberlin |
| Skyler Stromsmoe | 256 | 2.6 | 64 | -4 | -0.3 | Doug Baker |
| Todd Linden | 270 | 2.8 | 66 | 0 | -0.7 | Dann Howitt |
| Chris Dominguez | 522 | 2.8 | 67 | -6 | -0.7 | Greg Porter |
| Angel Villalona | 540 | 2.7 | 63 | -5 | -2.3 | Jim Scharrer |
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Pitchers, Counting Stats
| Player | T | Age | G | GS | IP | SO | BB | HR | H | R | ER |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Madison Bumgarner | L | 24 | 32 | 32 | 204.7 | 196 | 54 | 17 | 167 | 70 | 65 |
| Matt Cain | R | 29 | 30 | 30 | 191.7 | 164 | 51 | 18 | 165 | 73 | 68 |
| Tim Hudson | R | 38 | 25 | 25 | 164.7 | 126 | 46 | 10 | 153 | 64 | 60 |
| Tim Lincecum | R | 30 | 29 | 29 | 180.0 | 177 | 71 | 17 | 162 | 81 | 76 |
| Edwin Escobar | L | 22 | 25 | 24 | 133.0 | 107 | 37 | 11 | 126 | 57 | 53 |
| Clayton Blackburn | R | 21 | 23 | 23 | 133.0 | 104 | 33 | 13 | 131 | 59 | 55 |
| Sergio Romo | R | 31 | 63 | 0 | 52.7 | 58 | 11 | 4 | 42 | 15 | 14 |
| Ryan Vogelsong | R | 36 | 24 | 23 | 134.3 | 98 | 45 | 14 | 134 | 64 | 60 |
| Kyle Crick | R | 21 | 19 | 19 | 84.7 | 82 | 61 | 4 | 72 | 39 | 36 |
| Chris Heston | R | 26 | 21 | 21 | 122.7 | 86 | 45 | 10 | 123 | 59 | 55 |
| Yusmeiro Petit | R | 29 | 20 | 20 | 116.3 | 88 | 28 | 13 | 119 | 57 | 53 |
| Ty Blach | L | 23 | 22 | 20 | 126.7 | 86 | 40 | 12 | 130 | 62 | 58 |
| Javier Lopez | L | 36 | 63 | 0 | 37.0 | 31 | 14 | 2 | 33 | 14 | 13 |
| Josh Osich | L | 25 | 47 | 0 | 56.0 | 47 | 20 | 4 | 51 | 22 | 21 |
| Adalberto Mejia | L | 21 | 22 | 16 | 94.3 | 63 | 28 | 10 | 97 | 47 | 44 |
| Derek Law | R | 23 | 43 | 0 | 62.3 | 62 | 23 | 6 | 55 | 26 | 24 |
| Jean Machi | R | 32 | 59 | 0 | 62.3 | 48 | 18 | 4 | 59 | 26 | 24 |
| Santiago Casilla | R | 33 | 56 | 0 | 49.7 | 41 | 22 | 4 | 44 | 20 | 19 |
| Jose De Paula | L | 26 | 20 | 18 | 92.7 | 52 | 31 | 7 | 99 | 47 | 44 |
| Brett Bochy | R | 26 | 44 | 0 | 51.7 | 47 | 17 | 4 | 46 | 21 | 20 |
| Heath Hembree | R | 25 | 59 | 0 | 56.3 | 53 | 24 | 5 | 50 | 24 | 22 |
| Jeremy Affeldt | L | 35 | 49 | 0 | 44.0 | 35 | 18 | 3 | 40 | 18 | 17 |
| George Kontos | R | 29 | 67 | 0 | 75.3 | 62 | 21 | 7 | 72 | 32 | 30 |
| Dontrelle Willis | L | 32 | 9 | 8 | 44.3 | 30 | 19 | 4 | 45 | 22 | 21 |
| Hunter Strickland | R | 25 | 45 | 0 | 47.0 | 36 | 15 | 4 | 45 | 20 | 19 |
| Jake Dunning | R | 25 | 57 | 0 | 73.3 | 50 | 24 | 5 | 71 | 32 | 30 |
| Kendry Flores | R | 22 | 18 | 17 | 100.0 | 65 | 19 | 15 | 106 | 52 | 49 |
| Juan Gutierrez | R | 30 | 35 | 0 | 38.0 | 33 | 14 | 4 | 36 | 17 | 16 |
| Jose Casilla | R | 25 | 33 | 1 | 50.7 | 27 | 15 | 4 | 52 | 24 | 22 |
| Sandy Rosario | R | 28 | 54 | 0 | 58.0 | 41 | 23 | 4 | 57 | 27 | 25 |
| Kameron Loe | R | 32 | 55 | 5 | 78.7 | 47 | 23 | 8 | 83 | 39 | 36 |
| Guillermo Moscoso | R | 30 | 31 | 20 | 130.0 | 98 | 58 | 17 | 126 | 70 | 65 |
| Mason Tobin | R | 26 | 22 | 0 | 25.0 | 15 | 13 | 2 | 26 | 14 | 13 |
| Shane Loux | R | 34 | 20 | 9 | 67.7 | 28 | 22 | 7 | 75 | 37 | 35 |
| Mike Kickham | L | 25 | 27 | 23 | 125.3 | 94 | 57 | 13 | 127 | 68 | 64 |
| Rafael Dolis | R | 26 | 40 | 0 | 46.0 | 29 | 22 | 3 | 46 | 24 | 22 |
| Erik Cordier | R | 28 | 31 | 6 | 54.0 | 41 | 38 | 5 | 54 | 31 | 29 |
| Dan Runzler | L | 29 | 46 | 3 | 54.3 | 44 | 37 | 5 | 52 | 30 | 28 |
| Barry Zito | L | 36 | 24 | 21 | 117.0 | 74 | 45 | 14 | 127 | 66 | 62 |
| Adam Reifer | R | 28 | 32 | 0 | 36.3 | 24 | 22 | 4 | 37 | 21 | 20 |
| Mitch Lively | R | 28 | 39 | 9 | 87.7 | 58 | 46 | 9 | 89 | 49 | 46 |
| Steve Edlefsen | R | 29 | 48 | 0 | 53.7 | 34 | 40 | 5 | 56 | 33 | 31 |
| Jason Berken | R | 30 | 30 | 21 | 123.3 | 67 | 52 | 15 | 141 | 76 | 71 |
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Pitchers, Rates and Averages
| Player | IP | TBF | K% | BB% | BABIP | ERA | FIP | ERA- | FIP- |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Madison Bumgarner | 204.7 | 835 | 23.5% | 6.5% | .267 | 2.86 | 3.01 | 80 | 84 |
| Matt Cain | 191.7 | 791 | 20.7% | 6.4% | .267 | 3.19 | 3.43 | 89 | 96 |
| Tim Hudson | 164.7 | 693 | 18.2% | 6.6% | .283 | 3.28 | 3.19 | 92 | 89 |
| Tim Lincecum | 180.0 | 773 | 22.9% | 9.2% | .288 | 3.80 | 3.50 | 106 | 98 |
| Edwin Escobar | 133.0 | 562 | 19.0% | 6.6% | .288 | 3.59 | 3.52 | 100 | 98 |
| Clayton Blackburn | 133.0 | 563 | 18.5% | 5.9% | .291 | 3.72 | 3.67 | 104 | 102 |
| Sergio Romo | 52.7 | 211 | 27.5% | 5.2% | .277 | 2.39 | 2.41 | 67 | 67 |
| Ryan Vogelsong | 134.3 | 582 | 16.8% | 7.7% | .286 | 4.02 | 4.00 | 112 | 112 |
| Kyle Crick | 84.7 | 387 | 21.2% | 15.8% | .290 | 3.83 | 4.11 | 107 | 115 |
| Chris Heston | 122.7 | 536 | 16.0% | 8.4% | .291 | 4.04 | 3.96 | 113 | 111 |
| Yusmeiro Petit | 116.3 | 496 | 17.7% | 5.6% | .293 | 4.10 | 3.85 | 114 | 107 |
| Ty Blach | 126.7 | 550 | 15.6% | 7.3% | .291 | 4.12 | 4.04 | 115 | 113 |
| Javier Lopez | 37.0 | 158 | 19.6% | 8.9% | .282 | 3.16 | 2.98 | 88 | 83 |
| Josh Osich | 56.0 | 239 | 19.7% | 8.4% | .285 | 3.37 | 3.49 | 94 | 97 |
| Adalberto Mejia | 94.3 | 408 | 15.4% | 6.9% | .289 | 4.20 | 4.18 | 117 | 117 |
| Derek Law | 62.3 | 265 | 23.4% | 8.7% | .288 | 3.47 | 3.52 | 97 | 98 |
| Jean Machi | 62.3 | 264 | 18.2% | 6.8% | .287 | 3.47 | 3.22 | 97 | 90 |
| Santiago Casilla | 49.7 | 215 | 19.1% | 10.2% | .274 | 3.44 | 3.66 | 96 | 102 |
| Jose De Paula | 92.7 | 408 | 12.7% | 7.6% | .295 | 4.27 | 4.11 | 119 | 115 |
| Brett Bochy | 51.7 | 218 | 21.5% | 7.8% | .286 | 3.48 | 3.35 | 97 | 93 |
| Heath Hembree | 56.3 | 243 | 21.8% | 9.9% | .285 | 3.51 | 3.77 | 98 | 105 |
| Jeremy Affeldt | 44.0 | 190 | 18.4% | 9.5% | .282 | 3.48 | 3.58 | 97 | 100 |
| George Kontos | 75.3 | 319 | 19.4% | 6.6% | .288 | 3.58 | 3.54 | 100 | 99 |
| Dontrelle Willis | 44.3 | 197 | 15.2% | 9.6% | .289 | 4.26 | 4.23 | 119 | 118 |
| Hunter Strickland | 47.0 | 201 | 17.9% | 7.5% | .285 | 3.64 | 3.65 | 102 | 102 |
| Jake Dunning | 73.3 | 315 | 15.9% | 7.6% | .286 | 3.68 | 3.69 | 103 | 103 |
| Kendry Flores | 100.0 | 425 | 15.3% | 4.5% | .285 | 4.41 | 4.46 | 123 | 124 |
| Juan Gutierrez | 38.0 | 164 | 20.1% | 8.5% | .286 | 3.79 | 3.79 | 106 | 106 |
| Jose Casilla | 50.7 | 219 | 12.3% | 6.8% | .282 | 3.91 | 4.08 | 109 | 114 |
| Sandy Rosario | 58.0 | 254 | 16.1% | 9.1% | .288 | 3.88 | 3.68 | 108 | 103 |
| Kameron Loe | 78.7 | 342 | 13.7% | 6.7% | .287 | 4.12 | 4.06 | 115 | 113 |
| Guillermo Moscoso | 130.0 | 574 | 17.1% | 10.1% | .277 | 4.50 | 4.70 | 126 | 131 |
| Mason Tobin | 25.0 | 114 | 13.2% | 11.4% | .293 | 4.68 | 4.70 | 131 | 131 |
| Shane Loux | 67.7 | 300 | 9.3% | 7.3% | .284 | 4.66 | 4.73 | 130 | 132 |
| Mike Kickham | 125.3 | 560 | 16.8% | 10.2% | .293 | 4.60 | 4.41 | 128 | 123 |
| Rafael Dolis | 46.0 | 206 | 14.1% | 10.7% | .289 | 4.30 | 4.21 | 120 | 118 |
| Erik Cordier | 54.0 | 254 | 16.1% | 15.0% | .295 | 4.83 | 5.02 | 135 | 140 |
| Dan Runzler | 54.3 | 252 | 17.5% | 14.7% | .289 | 4.64 | 4.68 | 130 | 131 |
| Barry Zito | 117.0 | 523 | 14.1% | 8.6% | .292 | 4.77 | 4.53 | 133 | 126 |
| Adam Reifer | 36.3 | 168 | 14.3% | 13.1% | .285 | 4.95 | 5.15 | 138 | 144 |
| Mitch Lively | 87.7 | 398 | 14.6% | 11.6% | .287 | 4.72 | 4.85 | 132 | 135 |
| Steve Edlefsen | 53.7 | 257 | 13.2% | 15.6% | .291 | 5.20 | 5.40 | 145 | 151 |
| Jason Berken | 123.3 | 563 | 11.9% | 9.2% | .299 | 5.18 | 4.99 | 145 | 139 |
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Pitchers, Assorted Other
| Player | IP | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | ERA+ | zWAR | No. 1 Comp |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Madison Bumgarner | 204.7 | 8.62 | 2.37 | 0.75 | 120 | 3.8 | Eric Milton |
| Matt Cain | 191.7 | 7.70 | 2.39 | 0.85 | 108 | 2.8 | Mark Portugal |
| Tim Hudson | 164.7 | 6.89 | 2.51 | 0.55 | 105 | 2.2 | Tom Candiotti |
| Tim Lincecum | 180.0 | 8.85 | 3.55 | 0.85 | 90 | 1.3 | Jason Bere |
| Edwin Escobar | 133.0 | 7.24 | 2.50 | 0.74 | 96 | 1.3 | Joe Kennedy |
| Clayton Blackburn | 133.0 | 7.04 | 2.23 | 0.88 | 92 | 1.1 | Joe Blanton |
| Sergio Romo | 52.7 | 9.91 | 1.88 | 0.68 | 144 | 0.8 | Rafael Betancourt |
| Ryan Vogelsong | 134.3 | 6.57 | 3.02 | 0.94 | 85 | 0.6 | Bobby Witt |
| Kyle Crick | 84.7 | 8.71 | 6.48 | 0.43 | 90 | 0.6 | Roger Pavlik |
| Chris Heston | 122.7 | 6.31 | 3.30 | 0.73 | 85 | 0.5 | Steve Kelly |
| Yusmeiro Petit | 116.3 | 6.81 | 2.17 | 1.01 | 84 | 0.4 | Oil Can Boyd |
| Ty Blach | 126.7 | 6.11 | 2.84 | 0.85 | 83 | 0.4 | Hilly Hathaway |
| Javier Lopez | 37.0 | 7.54 | 3.41 | 0.49 | 109 | 0.2 | Vic Darensbourg |
| Josh Osich | 56.0 | 7.55 | 3.21 | 0.64 | 102 | 0.2 | Ray Beasley |
| Adalberto Mejia | 94.3 | 6.01 | 2.67 | 0.95 | 82 | 0.2 | Matt Blank |
| Derek Law | 62.3 | 8.96 | 3.32 | 0.87 | 99 | 0.1 | Andy Ghelfi |
| Jean Machi | 62.3 | 6.93 | 2.60 | 0.58 | 99 | 0.1 | Terry Leach |
| Santiago Casilla | 49.7 | 7.42 | 3.98 | 0.72 | 100 | 0.1 | Brian Boehringer |
| Jose De Paula | 92.7 | 5.05 | 3.01 | 0.68 | 80 | 0.1 | Lee Guetterman |
| Brett Bochy | 51.7 | 8.18 | 2.96 | 0.70 | 99 | 0.1 | Paul Mancuso |
| Heath Hembree | 56.3 | 8.47 | 3.84 | 0.80 | 98 | 0.1 | Tony Blasucci |
| Jeremy Affeldt | 44.0 | 7.16 | 3.68 | 0.61 | 99 | 0.1 | Vic Darensbourg |
| George Kontos | 75.3 | 7.41 | 2.51 | 0.84 | 96 | 0.1 | Don Cooper |
| Dontrelle Willis | 44.3 | 6.09 | 3.86 | 0.81 | 81 | 0.1 | Jim Abbott |
| Hunter Strickland | 47.0 | 6.89 | 2.87 | 0.77 | 94 | 0.0 | Jeff Tam |
| Jake Dunning | 73.3 | 6.14 | 2.95 | 0.61 | 93 | 0.0 | Todd Williams |
| Kendry Flores | 100.0 | 5.85 | 1.71 | 1.35 | 78 | 0.0 | Dave Geeve |
| Juan Gutierrez | 38.0 | 7.82 | 3.32 | 0.95 | 91 | -0.1 | Nate Field |
| Jose Casilla | 50.7 | 4.79 | 2.66 | 0.71 | 88 | -0.1 | Pedro Borbon |
| Sandy Rosario | 58.0 | 6.36 | 3.57 | 0.62 | 89 | -0.2 | Mike Gardner |
| Kameron Loe | 78.7 | 5.37 | 2.63 | 0.91 | 83 | -0.2 | Danny Graves |
| Guillermo Moscoso | 130.0 | 6.78 | 4.02 | 1.18 | 76 | -0.3 | John Leister |
| Mason Tobin | 25.0 | 5.40 | 4.68 | 0.72 | 73 | -0.3 | Tommy Moore |
| Shane Loux | 67.7 | 3.72 | 2.92 | 0.93 | 74 | -0.3 | Jose Santiago |
| Mike Kickham | 125.3 | 6.75 | 4.09 | 0.93 | 75 | -0.3 | Derek Root |
| Rafael Dolis | 46.0 | 5.67 | 4.30 | 0.59 | 80 | -0.4 | Ken Wright |
| Erik Cordier | 54.0 | 6.83 | 6.33 | 0.83 | 71 | -0.5 | Ryan Baker |
| Dan Runzler | 54.3 | 7.29 | 6.13 | 0.83 | 74 | -0.5 | Brian Shackelford |
| Barry Zito | 117.0 | 5.69 | 3.46 | 1.08 | 72 | -0.6 | Jim Deshaies |
| Adam Reifer | 36.3 | 5.95 | 5.45 | 0.99 | 69 | -0.6 | Brad Tweedlie |
| Mitch Lively | 87.7 | 5.95 | 4.72 | 0.92 | 73 | -0.6 | Jarod Juelsgaard |
| Steve Edlefsen | 53.7 | 5.70 | 6.70 | 0.84 | 66 | -1.0 | Marty McLeary |
| Jason Berken | 123.3 | 4.89 | 3.80 | 1.09 | 66 | -1.3 | Giovanni Carrara |
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Disclaimer: ZiPS projections are computer-based projections of performance. Performances have not been allocated to predicted playing time in the majors — many of the players listed above are unlikely to play in the majors at all in 2014. ZiPS is projecting equivalent production — a .240 ZiPS projection may end up being .280 in AAA or .300 in AA, for example. Whether or not a player will play is one of many non-statistical factors one has to take into account when predicting the future.
Players are listed with their most recent teams unless Dan has made a mistake. This is very possible as a lot of minor-league signings are generally unreported in the offseason.
ZiPS is projecting based on the AL having a 4.04 ERA and the NL having a 3.81 ERA.
Players that are expected to be out due to injury are still projected. More information is always better than less information and a computer isn’t what should be projecting the injury status of, for example, a pitcher with Tommy John surgery.
Regarding ERA+ vs. ERA- (and FIP+ vs. FIP-) and the differences therein: as Patriot notes here, they are not simply mirror images of each other. Writes Patriot: “ERA+ does not tell you that a pitcher’s ERA was X% less or more than the league’s ERA. It tells you that the league’s ERA was X% less or more than the pitcher’s ERA.”
Both hitters and pitchers are ranked by projected zWAR — which is to say, WAR values as calculated by Dan Szymborski, whose surname is spelled with a z. WAR values might differ slightly from those which appear in full release of ZiPS. Finally, Szymborski will advise anyone against — and might karate chop anyone guilty of — merely adding up WAR totals on depth chart to produce projected team WAR.
Carson Cistulli has published a book of aphorisms called Spirited Ejaculations of a New Enthusiast.

Derek Law, porn cop. Also this team seems a cut below the Dodgers, Cardinals, Nationals, Braves and Reds….and about even with the Pirates.
huh? Reds as good on paper as Dodgers, Cards, Nats, and Braves? You serious?
I meant according to ZiPS, not according to me.
Feels like I’ve been reading about Brown for a decade now. I have zero faith that he will do anything at all in MLB.
Players with >6 WAR:
2013 MLB: 12 hitters, 6 pitchers
2014 ZiPS: 3 hitters, 0 pitchers
(unless I messed this up somehow)
Worth mentioning that ZIPS is not projecting only 3 hitters to have 6 WAR. It is saying that only three hitters have a better than 50% chance of having 6 WAR. For instance, if I were to roll 100 dice, there would be no dice for which I would give a 50%+ chance of it landing on “3”. But in the aggregate, you’d expect 1/6 of them to roll a “3”.
Also, Kershaw has 6.6 WAR & Verlander has 6.1.
True.
“A haphazard inspection of the 29 ZiPS posts to have preceded this one reveals that only one *field* player…”
It appears I have given Carson’s sentence a haphazard inspection.
Bingo. As I was telling Ben Lindberg on Twitter after he expressed a similar note in the PECOTA release article, you’ll never successfully explain this to about 30% of readers.
I spent probably a month last year explaining why ZiPS only having 3 mean BAs at .300 and ZiPS projecting there to actually be 22 .300 BAs on average in 2013 are not mutually exclusive.
Unfortunately, Dan, humans as a whole are very poor at understanding probability.
6+ WAR position players 2014 ZiPS:
3
6+ WAR among position players since 2003:
12,12,14,13,12,14,13,9,8,14,14
That’s remarkably consistent. What’s the point of pulling in past data to make projections if you’re projecting somethings that’s have never even come close to occurring? You’re running these simulations too many times to make results more bland and murky.
RMD, see post directly above yours.
I completely understand this point, so let me ask the follow up question: What is the probability distribution of a ZiPS projects? Is the sample size and relative independence of ABs enough to make it Gaussian? If so, what are the CVs? How much do they vary across positions/players? I apologize if this has been asked and answered on this web page previously.
(Also, yeah, I could probably back out a typical CV with the aforementioned 3 and 18 numbers, but I lazily ask the question instead.)
“you’ll never successfully explain this to about 30% of readers.”
Yet according to ZiPS projections, only three readers have > 50% chance of not understanding this.
As it should be.
That’s because outlier seasons get regressed. You should see the same thing at the low end. The actual spread will almost always be larger than the projected spread. Also check out the distribution of actual team wins versus projected team wins, for any season.
RMD, the two questions are 1. how many 6 win players? 2. which players will accrue 6 wins?
answering the first question is easier than the second. presumably, several players projected for 5 WAR will exceed 6, while others projected for 5 accrue less.
I did not need to see the Thurman Munson comp for Posey. Spring training is almost here, and a simple wish for a great catcher’s good health seems to appropriate. Give me soul, or give me NotGraphs.
There has been no news about Posey taking up piloting planes, so we should be good on that.
When do we think all the ZiPS Projections will be added to the Projections tab and made exportable, a la Steamer?
Maybe in the future
never
Bump… anyone have any actual info?
They were uploaded by 2/18 last year, so here’s to hoping we can see the aggregate projections soon!
Since Fangraphs posts Steamer, Oliver, and (eventually) ZiPS projections on the player pages, it would be useful to have a post that summarizes them, highlighting differences in key areas (perhaps in a simple table format). We could all consult the Google ourselves, but having someone else aggregate and explain data/methods is a large part of the reason we read Fangraphs.
Of course, it’s possible that there is such a post. I didn’t check because I’m lazy, which is consistent with my reason for wanting such a post in the first place.
I should clarify that I meant a post the summarizes the different models, not the results.
Explain how Blanco’s -1 defensively when his aggregate over the last 2 seasons is something like +20…..
I believe “Def” includes FA’s position adjustment and Blanco is considered to be a LFer. In other words, the positional penalty of being a LF dominates his (heavily regressed) defensive projection.
So basically, Zips has Blanco as something like a +5/150g defender with a -7.5 position adjustment, which nets out to -1 after adjusting for playing time.
I don’t think that’s right. Belt wouldn’t be +1 if positional adjustment were included, nor would Pence (an average RFer) be 0.
Yes, based on all of the ZiPS numbers I’ve seen, it must be that the defense numbers do not include position adjustment, while the def numbers on the player pages do.
This explains the resume we just received from a B. Zito….
Brett Pill will play in Korea this year. According to GM Brian Sabean, Yusmiero Petit, Escobar and David Huff are candidates for a rotation spot if someone is injured or Vogelsong falters badly out of the gate.
For a moment I thought you said Aubrey Huff and was very confused.
Thanks Dan, Carson, and the Fangraphs team! I really appreciate all the work you put into this!
With that said, I need to complain for a moment. On the player pages, “Def” includes a positional adjustment. That’s how it works on the leaderboards, and that’s how it works on the Dashboard. I don’t necessarily support it becoming the metric du jour of understanding a position player’s run preventative contribution, but it’s not a huge deal. I can customize my dashboard and get rid of it.
But then, in these projections, “Def” is now treated without a positional adjustment, it seems. Why the inconsistency? If Fangraphs is going to redefine the term “Defense” to include a positional adjustment, why not at least be consistent?
/rant over
I don’t necessary expect them to be the same, because this field is an output of the ZIPS system, and I don’t see it as relating directly to a player’s page. However, I definitely think that note should be added to the disclaimer in the future if the system is not changed. It has led to a lot of confusion.
Steve Edlefsen? Never give up on a Minny guy? He’s unsigned as far as I can tell, not a Gigante right now. Guillermo Moscoso took his talents to Japan. Todd Linden retired, took up coaching for the Giants (does that include a refresher on “how to be a dick to your teammates?”)
No projection for Mike Broadway or Casey Weathers? You got practically every other minor league FA signing.
Hilly Hathaway’s full name is Hillary Houston Hathaway.
Mike Morse has a good chance of beating that projection if his wrist truly is healed and healthy. His defensive troubles will limit his late innings, but the Giants have some tricks up their sleeves for this whole deal, its not nearly the catastrophe that has been proclaimed.
“And I base that on absolutely nothing.”
I would love to see Todd Linden hit a homerun for the Giants this season! His ilk harkens the times of Damon Minor, Lance Niekro and vintage Cody Ransom. I miss those days for some masochistic reason.
Thanks-Good stuff. I know the comps come from a group of players. Eric Milton as the #1 comp for Maddison Baumgarner.
I like the Oil Can Boyd comp for Yusimero Petit though.
And here is how my simulator likes their batting order.
vs RHP
Crawford-Pagan-Sandoval-Posey-Belt-Pence-Scutaro-Morse-Pitcher
vs LHP
Pagan-Scutaro-Belt-Posey-Pence-Sandoval-Morse-Crawford-Pitcher
I’ve seen you make many posts about this and IIRC in, like, the Mets article you posted an article on it. Do you have articles on all the teams you simulate, and if so where can I see?
Click on the “my simulator” text in my post, or click on my username and it takes you directly to them.
I didn’t realize those were links. Cool!
I have used fangraphs html link text on occasion, but the fact these comments do not in any way denote link text in a different color has discouraged me.
Based on the Runs Created from the starting line-up, that this line-up will outscore last year’s team by about 50 runs provided the starters stay healthy. If injuries to key players occur, there will be a significant drop-off. Not many position players with pop waiting in the wings.
Gotta say, if the 5 starters all turn in their projected ERA’s, Giants gonna be alright.
Zips is obviously considering AT&T to play like the most extreme of pitchers parks this year. For example, it considers Lincecum’s projected 3.80 to actually be worse than average. As another example, Posey’s projected wOBA of .357, something that would be pretty good in Detroit, is given an outstanding OPS+ rating of 138.
So if your starters turn in those ERAs, you very well may not be alright, because the bullpen in going to blow some leads, and the offense is expected to be pretty tame, due to park and run environment.
You don’t know much about the Giants, do you?
This is a good, fact-based argument.
Dr BG Fan,
I agree. Having Tim Hudson instead of Barry Zito is a huge upgrade. If Vogelsong bounces back-it will be a solid year of pitching.
My God… poor Hunter Pence. Glad to know he will have his second worst OBP in his career. But with LESS POWER! And an equally bad slugging percentage! Didn’t know the dude was trending so down.
Steamer, Oliver, and ZIPS are remarkably similar in their projections of Hunter Pence. The contract he signed was for a super-star. He is a star player and offers intangibles such as leadership and showing up in great shape. But a 5.1 RC projection-for the money they are paying him, I hope he does better than that.
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Should the Giants or fantasy owners be worried about Matt Cain’s struggles in clutch situations? His 7 run collapse in the A’s 8-1 win was painful to watch.