2015 Positional Power Rankings: Starting Rotations (#16-30)
What do we have here? For an explanation of this series, please read this introductory post. As noted in that introduction, the data below is a hybrid projection of the ZIPS and Steamer systems, with playing time determined through depth charts created by our team of authors. The rankings are based on aggregate projected WAR for each team at a given position.
Yes, we know WAR is imperfect and there is more to player value than is wrapped up in that single projection, but for the purposes of talking about a team’s strengths and weaknesses, it is a useful tool. Also, the author writing this post did not move your team down ten spots in order to make you angry. We don’t hate your team. I promise.
As we get into the back half of the starting rotations, that chart would look a whole lot better for the teams on the right side if you chose to willfully ignore that there’s 15 teams better than them not even shown here. This is where the pitching’s going to get a little dark. I’m tempted to just go with “it doesn’t matter, they’re all going to get hurt anyway and one day we’ll all be dead,” but that seems a little too bleak. Still, it’s sort of how you feel relying on any pitcher these days. Right? No? Just me? Okay, fine.
#16 Rays
| Name | IP | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | BABIP | LOB% | ERA | FIP | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Chris Archer | 183.0 | 7.9 | 3.4 | 0.8 | .300 | 72.6 % | 3.68 | 3.78 | 2.2 |
| Jake Odorizzi | 178.0 | 8.1 | 3.3 | 1.1 | .297 | 72.8 % | 4.05 | 4.19 | 1.3 |
| Alex Cobb |
126.0 | 8.0 | 2.7 | 0.7 | .301 | 73.1 % | 3.35 | 3.41 | 1.9 |
| Drew Smyly |
121.0 | 8.4 | 2.6 | 1.0 | .290 | 75.2 % | 3.38 | 3.63 | 1.9 |
| Matt Moore |
102.0 | 8.2 | 4.2 | 1.0 | .293 | 73.4 % | 3.97 | 4.22 | 0.7 |
| Nate Karns | 85.0 | 8.5 | 3.8 | 1.1 | .298 | 72.8 % | 4.06 | 4.21 | 0.7 |
| Erasmo Ramirez | 66.0 | 6.6 | 2.7 | 1.2 | .300 | 70.1 % | 4.35 | 4.36 | 0.3 |
| Matt Andriese | 47.0 | 6.2 | 2.8 | 1.1 | .299 | 69.8 % | 4.32 | 4.35 | 0.2 |
| Alex Colome |
38.0 | 6.7 | 3.9 | 0.9 | .298 | 71.0 % | 4.23 | 4.34 | 0.2 |
| Total | 946.0 | 7.9 | 3.2 | 1.0 | .297 | 72.7 % | 3.83 | 3.96 | 9.4 |
There’s a lot of talent here, even in the post-David Price era. Unfortunately, there’s also a lot of those green plus marks that indicate injury or illness, so much so that the front of the Rays rotation to begin the season is going to be Chris Archer, Jake Odorizzi, Nate Karns, and … Matt Andriese, probably? Most likely Erasmo Ramirez, now that the Rays have flipped Mike Montgomery for him, and don’t count out Burch Smith or Everett Teaford for a spot start. It’s a complicated situation right now. The good news is that time inexorably marches forward, so that in a month or sooner, Alex Cobb (forearm), Drew Smyly (shoulder), and Alex Colome (illness) should all be available. A few weeks after that, Matt Moore (elbow) could be ready to come back.
A potential rotation of Archer / Odorizzi / Cobb / Moore / Smyly, well, there’s a lot to like there. Jeff Sullivan has written at length about how Smyly’s high fastball approach after coming over from Detroit changed him. Cobb has dropped his FIP three seasons in a row, and has been one of the most under-appreciated above-average starters in the majors. Archer’s first full season was a big success in part because he figured out how to pitch to lefties. Odorizzi struck out 174 in 168 innings.
None older than 27 this year, there’s more talent than I think the general public prefers to accept. But there’s also perhaps no rotation with a higher variance. All healthy, this could be a very good group. Of course, the odds of a rotation already battling multiple injury concerns coming out as “all healthy” are spectacularly low, and depth is being tested. I’m not sure I realized how fascinating this rotation was going to be until I started writing this.
#17 Twins
| Name | IP | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | BABIP | LOB% | ERA | FIP | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ervin Santana | 201.0 | 7.1 | 2.8 | 1.1 | .311 | 69.5 % | 4.50 | 4.22 | 1.2 |
| Phil Hughes | 204.0 | 7.7 | 1.2 | 0.9 | .319 | 70.7 % | 3.66 | 3.20 | 4.0 |
| Ricky Nolasco | 172.0 | 6.6 | 2.1 | 1.1 | .319 | 68.1 % | 4.57 | 4.11 | 1.2 |
| Kyle Gibson |
146.0 | 5.7 | 2.9 | 0.8 | .308 | 68.3 % | 4.34 | 4.03 | 1.3 |
| Tommy Milone | 93.0 | 6.3 | 2.4 | 1.3 | .314 | 69.5 % | 4.72 | 4.51 | 0.5 |
| Mike Pelfrey | 66.0 | 5.6 | 3.2 | 1.1 | .316 | 67.5 % | 4.99 | 4.63 | 0.2 |
| Alex Meyer | 47.0 | 8.8 | 4.1 | 0.9 | .315 | 71.5 % | 4.16 | 3.97 | 0.4 |
| Tim Stauffer | 28.0 | 7.3 | 3.2 | 0.9 | .319 | 69.8 % | 4.29 | 3.94 | 0.2 |
| Trevor May | 9.0 | 7.7 | 4.1 | 1.1 | .313 | 69.6 % | 4.80 | 4.53 | 0.0 |
| Total | 966.0 | 6.9 | 2.4 | 1.0 | .315 | 69.2 % | 4.34 | 4.00 | 9.1 |
All the way up from last year’s No. 28, and that’s almost entirely because the projections really, really believe that Phil Hughes is going to sustain that breakout. If he doesn’t, well, right back on down to the bottom of the rankings, because there’s not a lot of other upside here — at least not yet.
It’s not that there’s anything wrong with Ervin Santana, of course. He’s a perfectly acceptable addition to the rotation, even if his seemingly-impressive whiff rate increase in 2014 can be almost exclusively attributed to the luxury of striking out NL pitchers. He just doesn’t really do all that much to push the Twins towards being competitive, and won’t likely over the course of his contract — nor will Mike Pelfrey, or Tommy Milone, or Tim Stauffer. You’d think that they’d prefer to dream on Alex Meyer, but he’s headed back to Triple-A Rochester and may end up being a reliever. Pelfrey is already a reliever — and not terribly happy about it — but is still listed here due to the likelihood they’ll need to go back to him.
It’s all good, though. Ricky Nolasco is on a mission. Problem solved.
#18 Braves
| Name | IP | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | BABIP | LOB% | ERA | FIP | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Julio Teheran | 197.0 | 7.9 | 2.2 | 1.0 | .295 | 74.6 % | 3.49 | 3.72 | 2.5 |
| Alex Wood | 174.0 | 8.5 | 2.8 | 0.8 | .304 | 73.8 % | 3.38 | 3.39 | 2.6 |
| Shelby Miller | 169.0 | 8.1 | 3.3 | 1.1 | .293 | 74.3 % | 3.80 | 4.07 | 1.5 |
| Mike Minor |
134.0 | 7.6 | 2.5 | 1.1 | .293 | 73.1 % | 3.85 | 4.01 | 1.0 |
| Wandy Rodriguez | 92.0 | 6.7 | 2.6 | 1.2 | .298 | 70.7 % | 4.32 | 4.39 | 0.3 |
| Eric Stults | 75.0 | 5.9 | 2.3 | 1.1 | .303 | 70.1 % | 4.32 | 4.26 | 0.4 |
| Chien-Ming Wang | 55.0 | 4.1 | 2.9 | 0.9 | .307 | 67.3 % | 4.80 | 4.64 | 0.1 |
| Mike Foltynewicz | 28.0 | 8.1 | 4.2 | 1.0 | .300 | 71.7 % | 4.28 | 4.34 | 0.2 |
| Cody Martin | 19.0 | 8.1 | 3.7 | 1.0 | .305 | 72.0 % | 4.11 | 4.11 | 0.1 |
| Jason Hursh | 19.0 | 5.3 | 3.1 | 1.0 | .303 | 68.8 % | 4.55 | 4.53 | 0.0 |
| Total | 962.0 | 7.5 | 2.7 | 1.0 | .298 | 72.7 % | 3.85 | 3.96 | 8.7 |
When the Braves traded away three of the four best members of last year’s porous offense, they did so in part to infuse some badly-needed young pitching into the rotation, which bid farewell to Ervin Santana, Aaron Harang, Kris Medlen, and Brandon Beachy this winter. (Not that the latter two did much in 2014.) That’s why 24-year-old Shelby Miller (Jason Heyward) is here, and that’s why 23-year-old Mike Foltynewicz (Evan Gattis) is here. Add them to 24-year-old Julio Teheran, who has become one of the NL’s better starters, and 24-year-old Alex Wood, who was an above-average starter in his first crack at the rotation, and 27-year-old Mike Minor, one of the NL’s best in 2o13, and you can see the plan. Not unlike what we just went over with the Rays, there’s talent and youth.
But while that’s the ideal outcome for the Braves, that’s not what’s going to happen in 2015. Foltynewicz is going to start in the minors and still has to prove he’s not a reliever. Minor’s 2014 was destroyed by injuries, and now he’s going to miss at least the first month with shoulder soreness. That might put two of Eric Stults, Wandy Rodriguez, and Chien-Ming Wang in the rotation, at least to start, or Cody Martin, who went unselected in the Rule 5 draft.
It’s a time of transition in Atlanta, so the fact that this rotation has some holes in it isn’t unexpected. The Braves aren’t going to win in 2015, so if they have to struggle along with a past-his-prime vet or an unheralded organizational soldier, so be it. At least they have talent they can nurture towards a successful future. If they can do that, this won’t be a wasted year.
#19 Brewers
| Name | IP | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | BABIP | LOB% | ERA | FIP | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Kyle Lohse | 194.0 | 6.3 | 2.0 | 1.2 | .296 | 71.9 % | 4.09 | 4.27 | 1.3 |
| Matt Garza | 185.0 | 7.6 | 2.7 | 1.1 | .300 | 71.9 % | 3.96 | 3.96 | 2.0 |
| Wily Peralta | 180.0 | 7.2 | 3.4 | 1.0 | .306 | 71.2 % | 4.18 | 4.18 | 1.3 |
| Mike Fiers | 169.0 | 8.7 | 2.4 | 1.2 | .294 | 73.3 % | 3.79 | 3.85 | 2.2 |
| Jimmy Nelson | 158.0 | 7.9 | 3.6 | 0.9 | .306 | 71.1 % | 4.08 | 4.03 | 1.5 |
| Taylor Jungmann | 47.0 | 6.7 | 4.3 | 1.1 | .303 | 69.2 % | 4.92 | 4.91 | 0.0 |
| Johnny Hellweg |
18.0 | 6.0 | 6.5 | 1.0 | .308 | 68.6 % | 5.62 | 5.68 | -0.1 |
| Brent Suter | 9.0 | 6.4 | 3.4 | 1.1 | .304 | 69.7 % | 4.58 | 4.55 | 0.0 |
| Total | 960.0 | 7.4 | 2.9 | 1.1 | .301 | 71.6 % | 4.10 | 4.14 | 8.2 |
Trading Yovani Gallardo to Texas made sense, because he’s entering the last year of his contract and wasn’t a difference-maker anyway. Trading Marco Estrada to Toronto made sense, because he was generally lousy last year and Adam Lind could be a useful platoon bat. Not adding any rotation depth at all to replace them, on a team in arguably baseball’s most competitive division, well, that’s the confusing part.
Because, what you have here is a whole lot of “fine.” Kyle Lohse is fine, and durable. Matt Garza is fine, though endlessly declining strikeout rates are scary. Wily Peralta is fine, and at least he’s young and throws hard. Mike Fiers was impressive in 2012 and 2014, but atrocious in 2013, and has made only 13 big league starts in the last two years. He’s also dealt with shoulder weakness so far this spring, which is concerning because the fifth starter is Jimmy Nelson, who was dominant in Triple-A but also just did this the other day…
Pitching line for #Brewers No. 5 starter Jimmy Nelson in AAA game this morning: 4.1 IP, 11 H, 10 R, 10 ER, 4 BB, 6 K. 86 pitches.
— Tom (@Haudricourt) March 30, 2015
… and behind him is, yikes. Is that it? Really? Taylor Jungmann was a first-round pick, but he hasn’t exactly been impressive in the minors. Johnny Hellweg, coming back from an elbow zipper? Michael Blazek, who couldn’t find the plate as a reliever? Brent Suter, who somehow isn’t a hockey player? This has the potential to get real ugly, real quickly, if any of the first five struggle or get hurt. I might need a minute here.
#20 Athletics
| Name | IP | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | BABIP | LOB% | ERA | FIP | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sonny Gray | 198.0 | 7.6 | 3.1 | 0.7 | .301 | 72.9 % | 3.53 | 3.60 | 2.5 |
| Scott Kazmir | 177.0 | 7.8 | 2.6 | 0.9 | .299 | 72.5 % | 3.68 | 3.69 | 2.2 |
| Drew Pomeranz | 150.0 | 8.1 | 3.9 | 1.0 | .294 | 72.9 % | 4.00 | 4.22 | 1.0 |
| Jesse Hahn | 140.0 | 6.7 | 3.6 | 0.9 | .297 | 70.6 % | 4.17 | 4.25 | 0.8 |
| Kendall Graveman | 94.0 | 5.1 | 2.6 | 1.0 | .297 | 69.5 % | 4.31 | 4.39 | 0.3 |
| Jesse Chavez | 56.0 | 7.8 | 2.9 | 1.0 | .303 | 72.1 % | 3.91 | 3.95 | 0.5 |
| A.J. Griffin |
47.0 | 7.0 | 2.4 | 1.3 | .289 | 73.4 % | 4.05 | 4.37 | 0.2 |
| Jarrod Parker |
49.0 | 6.5 | 3.0 | 1.0 | .296 | 71.4 % | 4.08 | 4.19 | 0.3 |
| Sean Nolin |
19.0 | 7.2 | 3.4 | 1.0 | .299 | 71.5 % | 4.09 | 4.17 | 0.1 |
| Chris Bassitt | 19.0 | 6.5 | 4.7 | 1.0 | .299 | 70.4 % | 4.75 | 4.94 | 0.0 |
| Total | 950.0 | 7.2 | 3.1 | 0.9 | .298 | 71.9 % | 3.92 | 4.02 | 7.9 |
The A’s ended last year with Jon Lester, Jeff Samardzija, and Jason Hammel, and now they don’t have any of those guys, so yes, this rotation has clearly taken some hits. But they still have Sonny Gray, who gave nearly 220 innings of solid work in his first full season, and they have Scott Kazmir, who proved that his 2013 rebirth with Cleveland wasn’t a fluke by topping it in nearly every way. There’s little reason to expect Gray and Kazmir can’t be successful once again.
Behind that pair, you’ve got the results of Billy Beane’s frenetic offseason moves, to the point that it’s difficult to look at this as “the 2015 Oakland rotation” so much as it is “the rotation, right now, at this point in time, subject to change.” Jesse Hahn and that delicious curveball should have the best opportunity to stick, but so should Drew Pomeranz, and Kendall Graveman — acquired in the Josh Donaldson trade — has been nothing but impressive, to the point that he seems to have a rotation spot all but locked up.
Consider now that I’ve not even yet mentioned Sean Nolin or Jesse Chavez (or, sigh, Barry Zito), and that at some point, the A’s are going to welcome back Jarrod Parker and A.J. Griffin, and you realize that the greatest strength here is depth. It’s not short on talent, though, even if it’s difficult to keep track of who is coming and who is going. And make no mistake, there’s always someone coming and going here, which is what makes projecting this group so difficult.
#21 Astros
| Name | IP | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | BABIP | LOB% | ERA | FIP | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Dallas Keuchel | 215.0 | 6.7 | 2.5 | 0.8 | .310 | 71.0 % | 3.78 | 3.66 | 2.8 |
| Collin McHugh | 192.0 | 8.3 | 2.7 | 1.0 | .303 | 72.1 % | 3.83 | 3.78 | 2.4 |
| Scott Feldman | 176.0 | 5.8 | 2.7 | 1.1 | .307 | 68.6 % | 4.60 | 4.44 | 0.8 |
| Brett Oberholtzer |
162.0 | 6.3 | 2.0 | 1.2 | .313 | 68.6 % | 4.62 | 4.28 | 1.1 |
| Dan Straily | 72.0 | 8.0 | 3.6 | 1.3 | .305 | 71.7 % | 4.59 | 4.64 | 0.3 |
| Roberto Hernandez | 75.0 | 5.8 | 3.2 | 1.2 | .300 | 68.5 % | 4.80 | 4.81 | 0.0 |
| Brad Peacock |
47.0 | 7.9 | 4.1 | 1.4 | .309 | 69.6 % | 5.06 | 4.90 | 0.0 |
| Samuel Deduno | 19.0 | 7.3 | 4.3 | 0.9 | .310 | 69.4 % | 4.56 | 4.45 | 0.1 |
| Asher Wojciechowski | 9.0 | 6.1 | 3.2 | 1.2 | .312 | 68.1 % | 5.03 | 4.78 | 0.0 |
| Alex White | 9.0 | 6.6 | 4.0 | 1.1 | .312 | 68.4 % | 5.00 | 4.76 | 0.0 |
| Total | 977.0 | 6.9 | 2.8 | 1.1 | .308 | 70.0 % | 4.32 | 4.18 | 7.6 |
Last year’s worst projected rotation, and not by a little. A group that looked like it was going to be “Scott Feldman and then a dozen other guys and wait, was Scott Feldman supposed to be the reliable ace?” came up with a pair of surprises, namely groundball machine Dallas Keuchel (and his killer slider) and Collin McHugh’s spintastic curve. Feldman had a typical Feldman-esque year, and what looked like an atrocious rotation ranked as a middle-of-the-pack one. There’s no way to call that anything other than a success.
Somewhat surprisingly, however, the Astros didn’t do a whole lot to add to the rotation this winter, other than adding Dan Straily in the Dexter Fowler trade and becoming the latest team to think that Roberto Hernandez is interesting. So the position they’re in this year is hoping that Keuchel / McHugh / Feldman all approximate their 2014 seasons — hardly a guarantee — while also hoping they can find their next unexpected breakthrough.
Maybe that’s Brett Oberholtzer, who has shown outstanding control. Maybe Straily, and the pitches that seem better than the results. At some point, you might see Mark Appel. Mostly, I’m interested to see if the fascinating Keuchel can keep it up. Just please, don’t torture the poor fans of Houston with Hernandez. They’ve suffered enough.
#22 Reds
| Name | IP | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | BABIP | LOB% | ERA | FIP | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Johnny Cueto | 205.0 | 8.3 | 2.3 | 0.9 | .287 | 75.9 % | 3.09 | 3.48 | 3.4 |
| Mike Leake | 182.0 | 6.4 | 2.1 | 1.0 | .299 | 71.9 % | 3.90 | 4.05 | 1.6 |
| Jason Marquis | 141.0 | 6.2 | 3.4 | 1.4 | .294 | 70.2 % | 4.88 | 5.09 | -0.3 |
| Anthony DeSclafani | 148.0 | 7.1 | 2.6 | 1.3 | .299 | 70.6 % | 4.35 | 4.38 | 0.7 |
| Raisel Iglesias | 94.0 | 7.8 | 5.8 | 1.2 | .293 | 71.9 % | 4.93 | 5.12 | -0.2 |
| David Holmberg | 46.0 | 5.7 | 3.5 | 1.3 | .293 | 69.9 % | 4.86 | 5.13 | -0.1 |
| Homer Bailey |
172.0 | 8.0 | 2.4 | 1.0 | .296 | 73.2 % | 3.60 | 3.74 | 2.3 |
| Total | 988.0 | 7.2 | 2.9 | 1.1 | .294 | 72.3 % | 4.03 | 4.23 | 7.4 |
This is a rotation that figures to look very differently come July. Johnny Cueto is elite, but he and Mike Leake are going to be free agents, and if the Reds struggle as much as we think they will, then they’re going to be holding some pretty interesting cards for pitching-hungry contenders at the deadline.
In the meantime, this is a rotation in transition. Mat Latos is a Marlin, Alfredo Simon is a Tiger, and Tony Cingrani is a reliever. Every single one of those moves had reasoning behind it that made at least some kind of sense. The problem is that for a team that’s certainly acting like it plans to contend, well, there’s entirely too much Jason Marquis on that list. I’m struggling to think of any situation, ever, where you might say “please, more Jason Marquis.” This isn’t it.
Now, you can hope that Raisel Iglesias works out after mostly being a reliever in Cuba, or that David Holmberg can be the No. 4 starter he probably can be, and that there’s some talent in the upper levels with Robert Stephenson and Michael Lorenzen maybe only a year out. This is just a team that doesn’t know whether it’s coming or going, and the rotation reflects that. Not enough depth, and not enough talent, not for a team that still fancies itself a contender.
#23 Diamondbacks
| Name | IP | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | BABIP | LOB% | ERA | FIP | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Josh Collmenter | 174.0 | 6.5 | 2.5 | 1.1 | .295 | 72.0 % | 4.07 | 4.24 | 1.3 |
| Jeremy Hellickson | 159.0 | 7.0 | 2.5 | 1.2 | .303 | 70.9 % | 4.24 | 4.21 | 1.1 |
| Rubby de la Rosa | 119.0 | 7.2 | 3.2 | 1.0 | .308 | 71.1 % | 4.20 | 4.13 | 1.0 |
| Chase Anderson | 109.0 | 8.0 | 2.8 | 1.1 | .304 | 72.7 % | 3.97 | 3.99 | 1.1 |
| Trevor Cahill | 93.0 | 7.5 | 3.9 | 0.9 | .308 | 70.2 % | 4.30 | 4.15 | 0.7 |
| Allen Webster | 73.0 | 6.6 | 3.6 | 1.0 | .301 | 69.7 % | 4.42 | 4.45 | 0.4 |
| Patrick Corbin |
66.0 | 7.4 | 2.4 | 0.9 | .299 | 72.8 % | 3.57 | 3.67 | 0.9 |
| Bronson Arroyo |
49.0 | 5.2 | 1.8 | 1.2 | .298 | 70.2 % | 4.27 | 4.41 | 0.3 |
| Archie Bradley | 37.0 | 7.4 | 4.8 | 0.9 | .304 | 70.3 % | 4.51 | 4.50 | 0.2 |
| Vidal Nuno | 28.0 | 7.4 | 2.4 | 1.2 | .298 | 72.0 % | 4.09 | 4.20 | 0.2 |
| Robbie Ray | 19.0 | 7.4 | 3.7 | 1.1 | .305 | 70.9 % | 4.48 | 4.50 | 0.1 |
| Randall Delgado | 9.0 | 8.3 | 3.3 | 1.1 | .303 | 72.7 % | 4.04 | 4.08 | 0.1 |
| Total | 937.0 | 7.0 | 2.9 | 1.1 | .302 | 71.2 % | 4.16 | 4.18 | 7.2 |
Well, there’s certainly not a lack of options, that’s for sure. Too many, probably. Last year’s D-Backs had 11 different starting pitchers, and this year’s might have that many or more.
In a sense, that’s fine. This team isn’t going to be good in 2015, so they might as well throw the Allen Websters and Rubby de la Rosas and Chase Andersons of the world against the wall and see what sticks. Ahead of them, Josh Collmenter is terribly miscast as the team’s No. 1 starter, but he’s more than serviceable. Behind them, both Patrick Corbin and Bronson Arroyo are coming back from Tommy John surgery and should be ready around midseason. Somewhere floating around them is Trevor Cahill, who was both “not as bad as he looked” and “still not good” in 2014.
So that’s all fine — along with Archie Bradley and Robbie Ray and maybe even Daniel Hudson, there’s an interesting mix of young talent and returning veterans. None of that explains the wisdom in going out and getting Jeremy Hellickson, however, who seemed an odd fit at the time and seems especially so now. That probably won’t matter, though. Teams headed for ~95 losses might as well load up on depth and see what they end up with. It’s hard to think of anything that matters less than what combination of five of the names listed above the Diamondbacks are using at any given time.
#24 Red Sox
| Name | IP | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | BABIP | LOB% | ERA | FIP | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Rick Porcello | 196.0 | 6.3 | 2.1 | 0.8 | .307 | 71.1 % | 3.79 | 3.70 | 2.4 |
| Clay Buchholz | 180.0 | 6.9 | 2.9 | 1.0 | .304 | 70.5 % | 4.13 | 4.08 | 1.5 |
| Wade Miley | 173.0 | 7.2 | 3.0 | 0.9 | .308 | 71.4 % | 4.04 | 3.93 | 1.5 |
| Justin Masterson | 167.0 | 7.3 | 4.0 | 0.8 | .307 | 69.6 % | 4.25 | 4.15 | 1.1 |
| Joe Kelly |
121.0 | 6.1 | 3.5 | 0.9 | .303 | 70.1 % | 4.35 | 4.37 | 0.5 |
| Steven Wright | 56.0 | 5.7 | 3.9 | 1.1 | .304 | 69.0 % | 4.90 | 4.90 | -0.1 |
| Henry Owens | 47.0 | 8.5 | 4.3 | 1.0 | .303 | 72.4 % | 4.19 | 4.29 | 0.3 |
| Eduardo Rodriguez | 19.0 | 6.5 | 3.3 | 1.0 | .307 | 70.2 % | 4.37 | 4.30 | 0.1 |
| Total | 957.0 | 6.8 | 3.2 | 0.9 | .306 | 70.6 % | 4.15 | 4.09 | 7.2 |
Much has been made of how the Red Sox “have no ace,” and “must trade for Cole Hamels,” and on and on. Probably too much has been made of that, because probably the Red Sox are going to be a very good team, and there’s plenty of reason to think that Rick Porcello is going to be successful in Boston, and that Wade Miley will gain respect now that he’s on a team that people actually watch, and that the Sox are perfectly positioned to make a move for an ace in July.
That’s still all true, but the “don’t panic about the lack of an ace right now” line of thinking only works when you can still say you have five above-average — even if none are elite — starters who can help you win every night, and that’s where things are starting to come apart. Joe Kelly has always profiled better as a reliever, and he’s been limited all spring by a biceps issue. Justin Masterson is coming off an awful season and hasn’t impressed anyone this spring. If you know what version of Clay Buchholz is going to show up, then you’re ahead of the rest of us.
It’s not like there’s nothing interesting behind them. Knuckleballer Steven Wright is fascinating, and Henry Owens and Eduardo Rodriguez are well-regarded prospects. But considering how tight the AL East looks, Boston might not be able to wait until July to make the move for Hamels or Johnny Cueto or someone similar that everyone expects. It’s okay to not have an “ace.” It’s not okay to potentially have only half a rotation of reliability — if that.
#25 Blue Jays
| Name | IP | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | BABIP | LOB% | ERA | FIP | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| R.A. Dickey | 209.0 | 7.1 | 2.8 | 1.2 | .292 | 72.2 % | 4.08 | 4.34 | 1.6 |
| Mark Buehrle | 204.0 | 5.3 | 2.2 | 1.0 | .309 | 70.8 % | 4.19 | 4.17 | 1.9 |
| Drew Hutchison | 167.0 | 8.5 | 2.9 | 1.2 | .305 | 71.5 % | 4.14 | 4.02 | 1.7 |
| Aaron Sanchez | 150.0 | 7.3 | 4.7 | 0.9 | .298 | 70.7 % | 4.51 | 4.60 | 0.3 |
| Daniel Norris | 139.0 | 9.2 | 4.0 | 1.2 | .304 | 72.8 % | 4.26 | 4.29 | 0.8 |
| Johan Santana |
65.0 | 7.3 | 2.9 | 1.2 | .302 | 71.1 % | 4.31 | 4.28 | 0.5 |
| Marco Estrada |
38.0 | 8.0 | 2.3 | 1.5 | .293 | 73.1 % | 4.17 | 4.31 | 0.3 |
| Total | 971.0 | 7.3 | 3.1 | 1.1 | .301 | 71.6 % | 4.23 | 4.28 | 7.1 |
This was going to be the year, you know. Let Marcus Stroman apply last year’s breakout to a full season, add Drew Hutchison’s fancy new slider, give Daniel Norris his first real opportunity, throw in a huge framing upgrade from Dioner Navarro to Russell Martin, and the Toronto rotation would have finally been known for something other than having the only two pitchers who averaged under 85 mph on their fastball last year.
But no. We can’t have nice things. Stroman’s year is over before it began, and suddenly a whole lot of the promise around the Jays season is gone with it. It’s unfair to say that this is a rotation without interest, however. Less Stroman means more opportunity for Norris and Aaron Sanchez, even if Sanchez seems better cast as a reliever. It means more opportunity for Marco Estrada, which should be interesting for the fans who will get to watch him allow homer after homer. It even opens the door for Johan Santana, should that miracle comeback ever happen.
This is one of those rotations that could be better than this, if the two senior citizens can provide another 400+ innings and if the young trio all show something. Hutchison and Norris both seem like good bets to outdo these projections. It just might not be good enough, not in a tight AL East, where every win lost by not having Stroman could be fatal.
#26 Phillies
| Name | IP | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | BABIP | LOB% | ERA | FIP | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Cole Hamels | 216.0 | 8.7 | 2.3 | 0.9 | .301 | 74.1 % | 3.40 | 3.42 | 3.5 |
| Aaron Harang | 155.0 | 6.7 | 3.2 | 1.1 | .307 | 70.1 % | 4.52 | 4.38 | 0.8 |
| David Buchanan | 140.0 | 5.6 | 2.9 | 1.1 | .304 | 69.0 % | 4.59 | 4.57 | 0.6 |
| Jerome Williams | 131.0 | 6.1 | 2.8 | 1.2 | .306 | 68.4 % | 4.69 | 4.51 | 0.4 |
| Sean O’Sullivan | 84.0 | 5.6 | 3.2 | 1.2 | .305 | 67.7 % | 5.04 | 4.89 | 0.0 |
| Paul Clemens | 65.0 | 6.1 | 3.7 | 1.4 | .303 | 68.1 % | 5.23 | 5.13 | -0.2 |
| Chad Billingsley |
56.0 | 7.3 | 3.0 | 0.9 | .309 | 71.6 % | 4.07 | 3.96 | 0.6 |
| Ben Lively | 37.0 | 8.4 | 3.5 | 1.0 | .304 | 71.4 % | 4.07 | 4.01 | 0.4 |
| Aaron Nola | 37.0 | 7.0 | 2.4 | 1.3 | .306 | 68.8 % | 4.53 | 4.32 | 0.2 |
| Miguel Gonzalez | 9.0 | 7.7 | 3.6 | 1.0 | .300 | 70.8 % | 4.30 | 4.25 | 0.1 |
| Ethan Martin | 9.0 | 8.2 | 4.7 | 1.1 | .301 | 72.1 % | 4.46 | 4.56 | 0.0 |
| Cliff Lee |
31.0 | 8.2 | 1.5 | 1.0 | .310 | 73.0 % | 3.44 | 3.27 | 0.6 |
| Total | 971.0 | 6.9 | 2.9 | 1.1 | .305 | 70.3 % | 4.32 | 4.23 | 7.0 |
So this is bad, and unfortunately, it’s going to get worse, potentially much worse. Right now, we have Cole Hamels and Cliff Lee combining for nearly 250 innings at about 4.5 WAR. Between the overwhelming likelihood that Hamels gets dealt by July 31 or sooner, and the extreme odds that Lee’s arm injury keeps him out all year (or at least diminishes him if and when he’s able to return late in the season), there’s almost no chance that they actually contribute those numbers.
Which means a lot less of them, and a lot more of, well, this. Giving $5 million to the nearly 37-year-old Harang generated some snickers on Twitter, but really, if there was ever a rotation that needed an “innings eater,” it’s this one. Didn’t Jerome Williams get DFA’d by both the Astros and the Rangers last summer? (Yes!) There’s a Paul Clemens now? (He got DFA’d by Houston last year, too!) And when asked about Miguel Gonzalez, manager Ryne Sandberg recently said:
“He’s just struggling with his control, and command and pitches.”
Or, you know, pitching.
The Phillies are openly saying that their fifth starter isn’t even a part of the organization yet. It could be literally anyone. Maybe even you. It’s probably you. Philadelphia might be thrilled if they ended up with the No. 26 rotation, or at least they ought to be. Even that mild goal seems like it might be out of reach, though at least the eventual debuts of Aaron Nola and Ben Lively ought to be interesting. David Buchanan was okay last year. Chad Billingsley was, approximately 20 surgeries ago. This rotation with Hamels is merely bad. When he’s gone, it’s going to be brutal.
#27 Orioles
| Name | IP | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | BABIP | LOB% | ERA | FIP | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Chris Tillman | 197.0 | 7.0 | 3.0 | 1.2 | .290 | 72.9 % | 4.11 | 4.41 | 1.3 |
| Wei-Yin Chen | 175.0 | 6.8 | 2.2 | 1.2 | .297 | 72.4 % | 4.02 | 4.15 | 1.7 |
| Miguel Gonzalez | 162.0 | 6.3 | 2.8 | 1.4 | .289 | 72.6 % | 4.43 | 4.87 | 0.5 |
| Bud Norris | 131.0 | 7.5 | 3.1 | 1.1 | .299 | 72.3 % | 4.14 | 4.29 | 1.0 |
| Kevin Gausman | 121.0 | 7.4 | 3.0 | 1.1 | .301 | 71.8 % | 4.07 | 4.09 | 1.2 |
| Ubaldo Jimenez | 75.0 | 8.4 | 4.3 | 1.1 | .297 | 72.5 % | 4.21 | 4.32 | 0.5 |
| Dylan Bundy | 66.0 | 6.8 | 3.6 | 1.1 | .298 | 71.3 % | 4.43 | 4.60 | 0.3 |
| Tim Berry | 28.0 | 5.7 | 3.4 | 1.3 | .299 | 68.7 % | 5.05 | 5.10 | 0.0 |
| Total | 955.0 | 7.0 | 3.0 | 1.2 | .295 | 72.2 % | 4.21 | 4.41 | 6.4 |
You know how this goes already. The Orioles rotation comes in ranked lower than people would expect, and then they go out and win a bunch of games, and there’s a whole lot of “told you so.”
But really, looking at these individually, what seems low? Chris Tillman just doesn’t miss bats, and what we’re projecting, FIP-wise, is pretty well in line with what he’s established over his career. He has shown an ability to outpitch that FIP by doing other things well, like destroying the running game and having a great defense behind him, and he’s only 27, so with another year of this, maybe we’re talking about him like we do Matt Cain or Jered Weaver. If that one feels a bit low, I won’t argue. Miguel Gonzalez is almost Tillman-light, at least considering the ERA-FIP gap.
Wei-Yin Chen? He’s improved his walk rates, but he also doesn’t strike anyone out — less and less each year — and doesn’t avoid homers. His projection doesn’t seem unfair. Bud Norris is basically the same guy he’s always been, which is to say a slightly below league-average pitcher. Ubaldo Jimenez, well, that’s anyone’s guess at this point after last year’s disaster.
Jimenez aside, this is a rotation of good-but-not-great pitch-to-contact guys in front of a solid defense; throw in what looks like solid health, and you see how the on-field results may look different than the metrics. Where that could change is with Kevin Gausman and Dylan Bundy, who each have the tools to be something special, perhaps as soon as this year.
#28 Rangers
| Name | IP | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | BABIP | LOB% | ERA | FIP | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Derek Holland | 197.0 | 7.8 | 2.6 | 1.1 | .305 | 72.4 % | 3.94 | 3.89 | 2.1 |
| Yovani Gallardo | 194.0 | 6.9 | 2.9 | 1.1 | .308 | 70.7 % | 4.30 | 4.19 | 1.4 |
| Colby Lewis | 159.0 | 6.5 | 2.5 | 1.4 | .310 | 69.5 % | 4.87 | 4.74 | 0.5 |
| Ross Detwiler | 139.0 | 5.6 | 2.9 | 1.0 | .307 | 69.2 % | 4.59 | 4.52 | 0.7 |
| Nick Tepesch | 94.0 | 5.4 | 2.8 | 1.2 | .304 | 69.0 % | 4.71 | 4.70 | 0.3 |
| Nick Martinez | 37.0 | 5.5 | 3.6 | 1.3 | .301 | 69.5 % | 5.06 | 5.14 | 0.0 |
| Anthony Ranaudo | 38.0 | 6.3 | 3.5 | 1.3 | .299 | 71.0 % | 4.74 | 4.92 | 0.1 |
| Martin Perez |
49.0 | 6.1 | 3.0 | 0.9 | .305 | 69.9 % | 4.35 | 4.25 | 0.3 |
| Alex Gonzalez | 28.0 | 5.7 | 3.2 | 1.1 | .306 | 68.2 % | 4.88 | 4.75 | 0.1 |
| Matt Harrison |
18.0 | 6.0 | 3.1 | 1.0 | .304 | 70.6 % | 4.37 | 4.35 | 0.1 |
| Total | 953.0 | 6.5 | 2.8 | 1.2 | .306 | 70.3 % | 4.47 | 4.41 | 5.6 |
This was a rotation that had serious depth concerns before Yu Darvish went down. When they acquired Yovani Gallardo in January, the basic reaction was “well, he’s not really that good any longer, and losing Jonathan Lucroy’s framing won’t help, but man did that rotation need a half-decent arm.” Gallardo as your third-best starter isn’t the worst thing in the world. But then Darvish blew out, and Derek Holland dealt with shoulder soreness, and now Gallardo is starting on Opening Day.
That generally doesn’t mean a whole lot — it’s not like Bartolo Colon is the best Mets starter, right? — but it sure does tell you about how desperately thin this group is. Colby Lewis was eight kinds of awful last year, has been regularly getting crushed so far this spring, and he’s their third starter. Ross Detwiler could never miss bats or stay healthy in Washington, and now he’s trying to resolve that in the AL. You can’t count on anything whatsoever from Matt Harrison at this point.
The 2014 Rangers had 15 starters and 40 different pitchers, the latter mark not only setting a big league record, but blowing away the previous AL record by a full six pitchers. This year might not be much better, and what’s most depressing, there just doesn’t seem to be a whole lot of visible upside even if everything breaks right.
#29 Royals
| Name | IP | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | BABIP | LOB% | ERA | FIP | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Yordano Ventura | 174.0 | 8.0 | 3.3 | 0.8 | .298 | 73.3 % | 3.63 | 3.75 | 2.0 |
| Jeremy Guthrie | 195.0 | 5.0 | 2.4 | 1.2 | .297 | 70.2 % | 4.43 | 4.66 | 0.3 |
| Jason Vargas | 191.0 | 5.9 | 2.2 | 1.2 | .290 | 71.3 % | 4.19 | 4.42 | 0.9 |
| Edinson Volquez | 159.0 | 6.8 | 3.7 | 1.0 | .301 | 69.9 % | 4.52 | 4.53 | 0.4 |
| Danny Duffy | 139.0 | 7.4 | 3.7 | 0.9 | .288 | 74.8 % | 3.71 | 4.19 | 1.3 |
| Chris Young | 66.0 | 6.1 | 3.1 | 1.4 | .284 | 71.9 % | 4.51 | 4.88 | 0.1 |
| Kris Medlen |
38.0 | 6.5 | 2.2 | 1.0 | .304 | 72.3 % | 3.81 | 3.88 | 0.4 |
| Total | 962.0 | 6.5 | 3.0 | 1.1 | .295 | 71.8 % | 4.13 | 4.34 | 5.4 |
Having the defending American League champions ranked as the AL’s worst rotation clearly shows our institutional bias against the Royals. Or, it shows that a rotation that was just okay last year basically brings back the exactly same group except that they swapped out the above-average James Shields for the far-inferior Edinson Volquez. It’s definitely one of those.
The problem isn’t that Volquez exists, really. After putting up a bizarre three-year stretch where his FIP has gone 4.06/4.24/4.15 while his ERA has gone 4.14/5.71/3.04, landing with one of the better defenses in baseball isn’t a bad fit. The problem is that by adding Volquez to Jason Vargas and Jeremy Guthrie, you have three-fifths of the rotation hung up on sub-par veterans without any remaining upside. Reliability is one thing. Stagnation is another.
The hope, of course, is that Yordano Ventura takes that step forward in his age-24 season to jump from “good pitcher” to “very good pitcher.” The hope is that Danny Duffy builds on what was a successful (2.53 ERA) season that in no way matched his peripherals (3.83 FIP / 4.42 xFIP). Either could happen. Both could happen, and with the rehabbing Kris Medlen and veteran “not the outfielder” Chris Young around, there’s depth, plus Brandon Finnegan in the minors. It’s just worrisome that of all the pitchers name here, some of the least-valuable are the ones with the tightest holds on rotation spots. The Shields-less Royals can’t repeat last year’s magic with zero-upside placeholders, and that’s what 60% of the rotation is.
#30 Rockies
| Name | IP | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | BABIP | LOB% | ERA | FIP | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Kyle Kendrick | 165.0 | 5.3 | 2.5 | 1.2 | .310 | 68.2 % | 4.89 | 4.72 | 0.8 |
| Jordan Lyles | 142.0 | 6.2 | 3.0 | 1.0 | .314 | 68.8 % | 4.63 | 4.40 | 1.0 |
| Jorge de la Rosa |
141.0 | 6.9 | 3.3 | 1.1 | .305 | 70.3 % | 4.42 | 4.35 | 1.1 |
| Tyler Matzek | 132.0 | 7.4 | 3.9 | 1.0 | .314 | 70.5 % | 4.52 | 4.34 | 1.0 |
| Jon Gray | 102.0 | 7.3 | 3.1 | 1.1 | .311 | 69.9 % | 4.45 | 4.26 | 1.0 |
| David Hale |
94.0 | 5.2 | 4.0 | 1.1 | .314 | 68.7 % | 5.13 | 5.02 | 0.1 |
| Christian Bergman | 81.0 | 5.2 | 2.2 | 1.6 | .310 | 67.8 % | 5.34 | 5.17 | 0.0 |
| Eddie Butler |
56.0 | 5.5 | 3.5 | 1.2 | .313 | 68.2 % | 5.12 | 4.91 | 0.1 |
| Chad Bettis | 28.0 | 7.2 | 3.3 | 1.1 | .318 | 69.7 % | 4.63 | 4.34 | 0.2 |
| Total | 942.0 | 6.2 | 3.2 | 1.1 | .311 | 69.2 % | 4.75 | 4.58 | 5.4 |
I’m not sure that any existing projection system truly accounts for just how difficult it is to be a pitcher in Coors Field. I’m also not sure it matters in this case.
The one bright spot the Rockies had was that Jorge De La Rosa has been inexplicably excellent at home, to the point that I recently tried to see if they could rework the rotation to get him as many Coors Field starts as possible. But for as productive as De La Rosa has been at home, it doesn’t change the fact that he’s been lousy on the road — or that his strained groin could keep him out for the first few weeks of the season.
So the Rockies are left with way too much Kyle Kendrick, and to hope that Tyler Matzek’s successful three months in the majors carry more weight than years of poor performances in the minors, or that Jordan Lyles turns into a pitcher who doesn’t actually resemble Jordan Lyles. When David Hale returns from his oblique injury, the Rockies will be giving taking a pitcher who struck out 4.53/9 last year as a reliever not in Colorado, and potentially making him a starter, and, you know, in Colorado.
“But there’s young talent coming,” is the hope, and that’s true, because Jon Gray has been impressive. (Eddie Butler’s inability to miss bats, conversely, is terrifying, to say nothing of concerns over his shoulder.) There’s a lot of smart people in the Colorado front office, and maybe they’ll yet crack the mystery that is how to build a successful pitching staff at high altitude. It’s just not going to be in 2015. Another brutally long year in the mountains awaits.
Mike Petriello used to write here, and now he does not. Find him at @mike_petriello or MLB.com.

“Because, what you have here is a whole lot of “fine.”” – “a whole lot of fine” is probably the absolute best summary of the entire Milwaukee Brewers organization since the 2011 NLCS, not just the rotation, that could be written.
The Pirates AAA rotation is better than the Rockies ML rotation. It’s sad when your opening day starter is Kyle Kendrick.
I love projections just as much as the next guy but i will take the over on the Royals rotation being worth 5.4 WAR as a group. I understand the reasons why the projection is so low, and I’ll admit to possible bias as a fan but as a group (removing shields and putting in Volquez) the group was worth 8.6 wins last year and with the royals defense as great as it is I’m not seeing this staff being worth the same value as the Rockies. They may regress some from last season but I think a 7 ish win season is more likely than a 5 ish win season.
Understood, but don’t forget that our WAR is based on FIP, which by its very definition doesn’t include team defense.
True, but wasn’t the groups WAR from last season also calculated based on FIP? I just don’t see them losing 3+ wins of value. Defense was a bad reason for me to argue that statement but I still hold that 5.4 Wins is too low.
Well, James Shields was worth 3.3 wins last year. It makes perfect sense if you consider that Volquez is the type of pitcher that fWAR hates the most.
With Shields the Royals starters were worth 10.9 Wins last year so just taking the 3 win hit from Shields 2014 to Volquez’s projected 2015 is not enough to get to the 5.4 WAR projection. All Royals starters are projected to be worse. I realize I am arguing with math and being subjective but I have faith that Ventura, Duffy, and Vargas are not going to lose wins of value in a season. Guthrie I am nervous about and I would imagine that at some point in the season it is probably time to give a Finnegan, Zimmer, or Binford a shot over him but I still just cannot see the rotation being worth 5.4 Wins. Again I am arguing with math and a projection system that gives us great insight but I would still imagine this group to be a 7ish WAR rotation.
Aside from Shields, Duffy had a .239 BABIP and 6% HR/FB. Guthrie exceeded his WAR total of the prior two years combined. Vargas and Ventura had xFIPs bettered by their FIPs by 0.2 and 0.15 respectively. The thing is, there is a good chance you are right, because there is much more room on the upside of the projections than the downside. That’s the nature of poor projections. But it’s not really hard to see each individual getting worse.
And Fipity doesn’t like Royals’ starters because they pitch to contact and use their defense. Fip used to love Kyle Davies and the starter Luke Hochevar. As I recall rWAR looks a little more like reality for the Royals’ staff.
FIP hated Kyle Davies, just like everyone else.
Instances in which you might want more Jason Marquis:
1) You are an opposing hitter.
2) You play in a reverse fantasy league.
3) You are either Jason Marquis’ mother or significant other.
That’s all I got.
4) Jason Marquis is telling a funny story, but then suddenly has to leave in the middle of it.
5) Jason Marquis is a phenomenal cook, and he is manning the grill at a barbecue, and you want more brats.
6) You want Jason Marquis to pitch a baseball game.6) Jason Marquis tells amazing standup comedy, mostly regarding his own career, and you want to hear more jokes.
I dug through his career page, thinking, “oh, he had to have been above average in like 2002 or something…” but yeah, no. Sorry Jason. Or as sorry as you can be for someone who is a multimillionaire.
2009 with the Rockies!
I love the idea of a reverse fantasy league. Accumulate the worst stats possible while reaching set IP/PA numbers.
JPA could have finally had his day in the sun in 2012.
4) it’s 2005 and you need a pinch-hitter — .339 wOBA in 91 PA!
Or if you’re out of PH and a pitcher has to PH.
It may be likely the Brewers opt to stretch out Thornburg should they need to replace a starter. I think this was mentioned by some of the beat guys in the recent days. Not like it changes much
as a jays fan I’m real worried about Sanchez in the rotation. I have a hard time seeing how a kid with no real success as an SP at a decent level, no third pitch, and no command could possible hack it as an mlb sp this season. I wish the jays would put him back in the bullpen and start estrada instead. I’d even feel better putting a castro or osuna in the rotation. I’m not sure if he can even reach that 0.3 war target.
on the other hand, norris is awesome. leading spring in Ks just like he led the minors in K% last year. all sorts of weapons in his arsenal with velo and command, too. ROY candidate imo.
but a SP war analysis has to mention that Dickey and Buehrle are fip and projection killers. projections have never quite figured them out. and while age is brought up as a reason to questiin their durability, I’d actually argue that these two low velo low maintenance vets are still maybe the two most dependably durable SP in all baseball.
man this rotation coulda been something with stroman instead of sanchez/estrada. I still like their chances of being closer to average than awful, though.
No reason to not give Sanchez the opportunity to lose the job first and slot Estrada in there afterwards if necessary. This is the 5th starter position we are talking about after all…
“The Phillies are openly saying that their fifth starter isn’t even a part of the organization yet. It could be literally anyone. Maybe even you. It’s probably you.”
Eep! WHY DID NO ONE TELL ME? *grabs glove, packs bag*
Serves me right. I should have stayed stretched out this spring.
Shit, you will win that last rotation spot for sure. I can’t compete with that name.
*Unpacks bag, back to the day job*
Barry Zito! $126 million worth of stardom for pennies on the dollar! It’s such a perfect RAJ move, I don’t know why it hasn’t happened yet.
Definitely underplaying the Jays starters again this season but that’s fine, I can understand that given the youth of three of the starters and the age of the other two – although those two are definite outliers to the usual aging curve.
These projections will largely be wrong as they were last season because baseball. One way you can be certain of that is the fact the Yankees are projected as the best rotation in the AL East, well ahead of even the Rays. Even if you knock the Rays for potential injury concerns, wouldn’t that same logic bring ruin to the projected value of the Yankees rotation?
You know, the rotation held together by duct tape and prayers of legions of Yankee fans, and requiring additional reinforcement of the pitching mound under CC Sabathia to avoid creation of a sinkhole in Yankee Stadium this season?
The Yankees do have the best rotation in the AL East. It isn’t particularly close.
I guess we’ll see. This is the time of year when all fans have faith.
I’m not buying these projections though. Sabathia has been dropping about 2 WAR a year in value the last three years – that’s not a decline, that’s a free fall. ZIPS is probably closest to what to expect there.
Counting on even three quarters of a season of effective performance from Tanaka is very optimistic. Don’t get me wrong, I wish him no bad luck but the indications are not good going into the season.
Now we come to Pineda. It’s a shame what has happened to his career, he may be the one who does manage to pitch most of the season and be effective. Still a lot of potential injury risk, he could end his season washing his hair in the shower.
Warren and Eovaldi? Warren’s HR rate is likely going to increase, no way it stays that low again. I kind of liked the potential of Eovaldi last season but he’s nothing special.
I’m still surprised the Rays are well below them in these rankings, but that’s just my opinion. I guess Nova counts as decent starter depth if he discovers good health himself, but I don’t realistically see this season working out for them unless they make a trade.
I don’t understand the perception of Pineda as a guy who can’t stay healthy. It’s only just been three years since he suffered an injury that takes three years to heal completely, but he’s been all but written off already.
Does anyone come back from injuries like Pineda’s and stay healthy?
I’m surprised fangraphs hasn’t been more positive in general this offseason about the yanks, considering their projections see them as very good this year….which isn’t surprising given they had a pretty good year last year even though their entire rotation died, and have arguably made some of the best value additions of the offseason.
and, of course, I’m guessing that for once, Arod pisses off non-yankee fans far more than yankee fans this year.
I had the same reaction. I figured the Rays had the best rotation in the AL East hands down. Cobb/Smyly/Archer/Moore/Odorizzi definitely makes for a top 10 rotation. Some of the IP estimates strike me as a bit pessimistic, especially considering that neither Cobb nor Smyly have ever had arm trouble in the past. We’ll see. I think I’d bet on the Rays staff being healthier than the Yankees this year. I’d put even odds on Tanaka popping an elbow before June. The Rays staff, at least, is younger than the Yankees.
“…and what’s most depressing, there just doesn’t seem to be a whole lot of visible upside even if everything breaks right.”
I have to disagree strongly with that. If everything breaks right they could have a very good rotation. Of course you could say that about any team.
Anyway, Nick Martinez is the fifth starter. Not Nick Tepesch. While Martinez was awful last year, he was better in the second half and has looked legitimately pretty decent this spring. He was rushed last season. Holland’s projection is probably low. The missed time with the shoulder soreness was precautionary. Since that passed he’s done all his work. Perez should be back mid-season and with any luck will have a lot more than 50 IP. Chi Chi Gonzalez is pretty good and I think he’ll replace Lewis or Detwiler pretty soon. I’m not saying the Rangers will likely have a good rotation, but there’s a chance they will be, and I think a few of those guys are capable of having good seasons.
So Wade Miley is going to be better because the Red Sox have better attendance than the Diamondbacks??? The Diamondbacks attendance was about 30% lower than the Red Sox last year, hardly night and day. What happens when he has to pitch in Toronto or Tampa, will the lack of crowd there cause his ERA to balloon??? Will Pablo Sandoval’s production now struggle since he’s playing in front of smaller home crowds or does this crowd effect only impact pitchers???
That is some of the worst analysis I’ve seen yet to support the Red Sox.
At no point did I say Wade Miley would be better for any reason at all, so it seems you’ve misinterpreted all of the “analysis” you purport to dislike.
You’re right, for some reason I read “respect” as production. Sorry about that. Although I would think his “respect” level would be more affected by him improving his abysmal ERA, not by the extra 10K fans in attendance nightly. If anything, if he pitches like that again this year, I would think his “respect” level would be hurt by the additional witnesses.
the red sox SP war projections have changed significantly over the offseason. at first we were getting 3war projections for both porcello and miley, and 2war projections for both buchholz and masterson, thejr starters were being projected as high as 12war, which seemed crazy aggressive for that group.
but thankfully, sanity has prevailed in time for the start of the season, and the sox rotation Is now projected as a significant question mark, which it really should have been from the start.
yet i’ll note the red sox are still projected to finish 5 games ahead of the Jays, which i agree with
to correct “myself”, fangraphs actually projects a 2.8war difference between the two teams.
and to clarify “myself” further, that gap in war is entirely due to the projections with the widest error bars – I.e. for players with next to no actual mlb track record. In terms of guys with actual legit sample size based projections, the jays come out comfortably ahead.
which I also agree with.
the massive gap in highly variable rookie projections, on the other hand, I might not agree with.
That wasn’t even implied by the article. It takes a deep commitment to your own bias to invent a misinterpretation that wild.
Go for a walk.
Read the whole sentence again and this time use your reading comprehension skills.
He said Mileys always been good and now people will recognize that, now he’s playing for a popular team. You give Yankee fans a bad name.
I’m not a Yankees fan, I misinterpreted what he said, I don’t think he ever said Wade Miley has always been good. And Wade Miley hasn’t always been good (he was terrible last year).
Speaking of Wade Miley: why is he projected to pitch ~30 less innings than his 3 year average?
I can’t believe there are 13 teams with worse projected starting rotations than the Twins!
The Reds make me sad.
Just wanted to provide the probably implicit but unmentioned sentiment of a lot of readers – thanks again for this series Mike – it’s definitely fun fodder for those of us waiting for opening day!
thanks!
This is the one and only area thus far in which I think the Bravos are a bit underrated in these, basically because I expect about one extra WAR from Wood (as long as we can keep our idiot manager from demoting him to the bullpen and/or the minors because of wins, losses, and a lack of run support, as last year).
A’s and Rays have to be the most upside on the back half of this listing right? Rays just have to stay healthy and they’re probably top-ten, and Gray, Graveman and Pomeranz are probably better than Steamer gives credit for.
fans can hope, right? Pomeranz with a decent changeup could be productive, we’re thinking.
I guarantee they will be better. Every year they out pitch projections, and while they may have some guys not work out they have enough different ones to run through that someone will work out.
Dbacks fan here and while I think they will probably stink this year and especially the pitching, I’m struggling to understand the Josh Collmenter projection. He’s nobody’s idea of a top of the rotation ace but the guy has 516 IP under his belt now with a career 3.42 ERA and 3.79 FIP. He’s never been over 4.00 for either ERA or FIP in a season. I thought maybe it was because he’s a full-time starter now but A) he was a full-time starter last year with respectable numbers and B) he actually has significantly better career numbers as a starter.
Don’t get it
Why has there been no Phil Hughes trade talk? Do people think he still sucks? Can’t pitch in Yankee III so the Red Sox won’t want him? Strange how it’s all about Hamels.
Red Sox rotation might have just gotten worse: I heard Steven Wright was arrested.
He was at the deli, scalping low numbers.
Are these tables sorted by when the pitcher is believed to be making his first start?
I don’t want to play for the Phils. Rather go to law school or something.
Alex Wood was outstanding last year, which made me pause when you simply wrote he was “above average” after praising Teheran. That juxtaposition was striking. Was this because he lacks a track record? I don’t see any reason why Alex Wood shouldn’t be considered anything short of an excellent young talent.