2015 ZiPS Projections – New York Mets

After having typically appeared in the very hallowed pages of Baseball Think Factory, Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections have been released at FanGraphs the past couple years. The exercise continues this offseason. Below are the projections for the New York Mets. Szymborski can be found at ESPN and on Twitter at @DSzymborski.

Other Projections: Atlanta / Chicago AL / Colorado / Detroit / Houston / Los Angeles AL / Los Angeles NL / Miami / Milwaukee / Oakland / San Francisco / St. Louis / Tampa Bay / Washington.

Batters
Mets batters produced 18.2 WAR collectively in 2014, an almost precisely average figure among the league’s 30 clubs. Given the projections below, it wouldn’t be surprising to see them replicate that effort in 2015. All eight of the team’s likely starters are forecast to produce something between 0.9 and 3.8 WAR — and six of them, between 1.8 to 3.1 WAR.

An area of some interest with regard to the club seems to be how Terry Collins et al. contend with Lucas Duda and Lucas Duda’s difficulties with left-handed pitching. Despite a strong 2014 season, the Mets first baseman produced only a 54 wRC+ against left handers. By way of comparison, the worst overall figure among the game’s 146 qualified batters in 2014 was Zack Cozart’s 56 wRC+. Either John Mayberry (333 PA, -0.1 WAR) or even Eric Campbell (416 PA, 0.5 WAR) are candidates to platoon with Duda.

Pitchers
The order in which the Mets starters appear in the depth-chart image below does not reflect their likely respective positions in the rotation, but rather their projected WAR figures. By this arrangement, one notes, Bartolo Colon descends from second to fifth among the group, while Jacob deGrom ascends from fifth to second. deGrom, a relatively anonymous prospect entering the 2014 season, now features a projection nearly identical — in strikeout rate and walk rate and other assorted metrics — to Matt Harvey’s.

New York recorded the worst and only negative bullpen WAR in the league last year. A combination of roster turnover and the probability of positive regression, however, have rendered the provisional 2015 bullpen a more competent one. Absent from the team almost all of last season due to a Tommy John procedure was Bobby Parnell. He’s absent from the depth-chart image below, as well, but only because he’s unlikely to return right at the beginning of the season. His presence is likely to help the relief corps.

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Bench/Prospects
The Mets feature multiple prospects expected to begin the season in the minor leagues but, per ZiPS, capable of producing basically league-average numbers starting right now. Second baseman Dilson Herrera and catcher Kevin Plawecki both feature projections in the vicinity of 2.0 WAR, while other infielders Danny Muno and Wilfredo Tovar — each at 1.0 WAR or better — both profile as able bench pieces. Among pitchers, the triumvirate of Steven Matz (1.8 WAR), Rafael Montero (1.7 WAR) Noah Syndergaard (1.8 WAR) concede — again, per ZiPS — concede very little to the five pitchers expected to occupy spots in the opening-day rotation.

Depth Chart
Below is a rough depth chart for the present incarnation of the Mets, with rounded projected WAR totals for each player. For caveats regarding WAR values see disclaimer at bottom of post. Click to embiggen image.

Mets Depth

Ballpark graphic courtesy Eephus League. Depth charts constructed by way of those listed here at site and author’s own haphazard reasoning.

Batters, Counting Stats

Player B Age PO PA R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS
David Wright R 32 3B 558 67 137 28 3 13 70 11 5
Lucas Duda L 29 1B 562 75 126 26 1 26 92 3 1
Juan Lagares R 26 CF 542 58 133 25 5 6 55 13 6
Daniel Murphy L 30 2B 643 84 172 35 3 10 70 13 4
Wilmer Flores R 23 SS 570 73 142 27 4 17 80 1 2
Travis d’Arnaud R 26 C 399 50 93 20 2 14 49 1 0
Kevin Plawecki R 24 C 437 51 100 20 1 8 44 0 0
Curtis Granderson L 34 RF 521 71 105 19 3 21 60 9 3
Dilson Herrera R 21 2B 612 77 137 23 4 16 70 14 6
Ruben Tejada R 25 SS 507 48 113 21 1 3 39 3 2
Wilfredo Tovar R 23 SS 436 51 103 12 3 3 36 9 8
Zach Lutz R 29 3B 381 47 83 15 2 10 42 1 1
Danny Muno B 26 2B 469 58 92 16 2 8 43 10 6
Matt den Dekker L 27 CF 519 66 114 24 6 9 52 14 6
Brandon Nimmo L 22 CF 545 68 110 16 7 8 48 8 5
Cesar Puello R 24 LF 377 50 82 16 3 8 41 14 3
Kirk Nieuwenhuis L 27 LF 364 46 73 17 3 11 41 6 3
Michael Cuddyer R 36 RF 372 42 92 21 2 12 44 6 1
Brian Burgamy B 34 3B 381 49 76 14 1 13 41 2 2
Matt Reynolds R 24 SS 459 52 97 14 4 5 38 9 3
Alex Castellanos R 28 3B 457 59 93 19 5 10 48 10 5
LJ Mazzilli R 24 2B 493 56 110 19 2 9 50 7 3
Eric Campbell R 28 1B 416 47 92 19 1 6 39 7 2
Anthony Recker R 31 C 240 26 45 10 0 8 31 1 2
Darrell Ceciliani L 25 CF 410 45 90 12 4 5 35 14 5
Johnny Monell L 29 C 354 38 71 17 1 7 35 3 2
Omar Quintanilla L 33 SS 320 33 67 12 2 3 29 2 2
Gavin Cecchini R 21 SS 453 52 95 19 3 7 42 5 4
Jairo Perez R 27 1B 317 35 75 13 2 8 37 3 3
Taylor Teagarden R 31 C 176 18 31 4 0 6 20 0 0
Jayce Boyd R 24 1B 461 55 104 17 2 7 45 1 3
Anthony Seratelli B 32 2B 395 43 78 10 3 6 33 11 4
John Mayberry Jr. R 31 1B 333 38 69 17 0 10 40 3 1
Brandon Allen L 29 1B 408 50 81 15 3 11 45 3 1
Travis Taijeron R 26 RF 443 52 80 21 2 14 52 1 2
Bobby Abreu L 41 RF 225 23 46 11 0 3 23 4 1
Cory Vaughn R 26 RF 451 47 80 14 2 10 40 10 3

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Batters, Rates and Averages

Player PA BB% K% ISO BABIP AVG OBP SLG wOBA
David Wright 558 9.3% 18.3% .147 .320 .275 .346 .422 .333
Lucas Duda 562 11.4% 21.2% .219 .291 .260 .354 .479 .359
Juan Lagares 542 4.8% 21.0% .106 .328 .264 .305 .370 .295
Daniel Murphy 643 5.3% 12.9% .118 .315 .286 .323 .404 .320
Wilmer Flores 570 4.4% 14.9% .162 .286 .266 .300 .428 .314
Travis d’Arnaud 399 7.3% 18.8% .181 .284 .255 .313 .436 .326
Kevin Plawecki 437 5.7% 14.4% .116 .278 .251 .307 .367 .299
Curtis Granderson 521 10.7% 25.1% .193 .274 .231 .319 .424 .329
Dilson Herrera 612 6.0% 24.8% .141 .303 .244 .295 .385 .301
Ruben Tejada 507 7.7% 15.2% .071 .293 .249 .317 .320 .280
Wilfredo Tovar 436 5.5% 10.8% .067 .282 .256 .306 .323 .277
Zach Lutz 381 8.4% 25.7% .144 .311 .244 .316 .388 .311
Danny Muno 469 10.7% 22.4% .108 .283 .226 .316 .334 .293
Matt den Dekker 519 6.9% 26.6% .133 .318 .241 .298 .374 .297
Brandon Nimmo 545 10.3% 28.1% .112 .317 .228 .313 .340 .294
Cesar Puello 377 5.0% 26.5% .136 .319 .242 .314 .378 .313
Kirk Nieuwenhuis 364 8.8% 30.8% .172 .302 .224 .296 .396 .302
Michael Cuddyer 372 7.5% 19.1% .179 .308 .271 .325 .450 .339
Brian Burgamy 381 8.7% 27.8% .160 .278 .221 .291 .381 .297
Matt Reynolds 459 6.1% 23.3% .088 .295 .232 .286 .320 .273
Alex Castellanos 457 6.6% 30.0% .142 .307 .224 .288 .366 .288
LJ Mazzilli 493 5.1% 21.5% .109 .290 .240 .283 .349 .281
Eric Campbell 416 9.6% 20.9% .106 .310 .251 .330 .357 .311
Anthony Recker 240 7.5% 30.8% .157 .270 .207 .269 .364 .277
Darrell Ceciliani 410 4.9% 26.8% .092 .317 .237 .282 .329 .274
Johnny Monell 354 7.6% 26.0% .125 .283 .220 .282 .345 .279
Omar Quintanilla 320 7.5% 18.4% .086 .279 .232 .293 .318 .266
Gavin Cecchini 453 6.6% 21.4% .111 .278 .228 .279 .339 .272
Jairo Perez 317 4.4% 17.4% .140 .286 .255 .300 .395 .303
Taylor Teagarden 176 7.4% 35.8% .137 .272 .194 .257 .331 .263
Jayce Boyd 461 8.0% 18.2% .100 .295 .249 .315 .349 .297
Anthony Seratelli 395 9.1% 23.5% .096 .283 .222 .298 .318 .281
John Mayberry Jr. 333 7.8% 22.8% .156 .271 .228 .294 .384 .301
Brandon Allen 408 9.1% 24.5% .148 .271 .221 .294 .369 .295
Travis Taijeron 443 8.1% 38.4% .168 .307 .202 .280 .370 .290
Bobby Abreu 225 11.6% 19.1% .101 .281 .234 .320 .335 .296
Cory Vaughn 451 7.8% 32.8% .119 .282 .198 .276 .317 .271

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Batters, Assorted Other

Player PA RC/27 OPS+ Def zWAR No.1 Comp
David Wright 558 5.5 117 4 3.8 Gil McDougald
Lucas Duda 562 6.2 134 0 3.1 Adam LaRoche
Juan Lagares 542 4.2 90 14 3.0 Alexis Rios
Daniel Murphy 643 5.0 105 -8 2.2 Todd Walker
Wilmer Flores 570 4.7 104 -7 2.1 Zoilo Versalles
Travis d’Arnaud 399 5.0 110 -7 2.1 Dave Valle
Kevin Plawecki 437 4.1 90 0 2.0 John Jaso
Curtis Granderson 521 4.8 109 0 1.8 Ron Gant
Dilson Herrera 612 4.1 91 -1 1.7 Josh Barfield
Ruben Tejada 507 3.6 82 2 1.4 Liu Rodriguez
Wilfredo Tovar 436 3.4 79 4 1.3 Ismael Gallo
Zach Lutz 381 4.4 99 -4 1.1 Wes Helms
Danny Muno 469 3.6 85 -1 1.1 Joe Lawrence
Matt den Dekker 519 4.0 89 -3 1.1 Corey Patterson
Brandon Nimmo 545 3.7 85 -3 1.0 Herm Winningham
Cesar Puello 377 4.5 95 0 0.9 Ivan Calderon
Kirk Nieuwenhuis 364 4.1 94 4 0.9 Alonzo Powell
Michael Cuddyer 372 5.6 117 -8 0.9 Tom Paciorek
Brian Burgamy 381 3.8 89 -3 0.7 Brandon Inge
Matt Reynolds 459 3.3 72 0 0.7 Edwin Rodriguez
Alex Castellanos 457 3.7 84 -3 0.7 Brandon Powell
LJ Mazzilli 493 3.5 78 -1 0.6 Ruben Santana
Eric Campbell 416 4.3 95 0 0.5 Ed Jurak
Anthony Recker 240 3.2 78 -2 0.5 Steve Yeager
Darrell Ceciliani 410 3.4 73 0 0.3 Herm Winningham
Johnny Monell 354 3.3 77 -7 0.2 Bill Hayes
Omar Quintanilla 320 3.2 74 -2 0.2 Dan Rohn
Gavin Cecchini 453 3.2 74 -4 0.2 Scott Leius
Jairo Perez 317 4.2 95 0 0.1 Brad Correll
Taylor Teagarden 176 2.9 66 -2 0.1 Dave Duncan
Jayce Boyd 461 3.8 88 0 0.0 Chris Pritchett
Anthony Seratelli 395 3.4 75 -6 -0.1 Brian Guinn
John Mayberry Jr. 333 4.0 91 -2 -0.1 Jim Vatcher
Brandon Allen 408 3.8 87 -1 -0.2 Nate Murphy
Travis Taijeron 443 3.4 83 -3 -0.2 Dan Cataline
Bobby Abreu 225 3.9 86 -5 -0.3 Brian Jordan
Cory Vaughn 451 3.0 68 -1 -0.7 Jeremy Dodson

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Pitchers, Counting Stats

Player T Age G GS IP K BB HR H R ER
Matt Harvey R 26 25 25 153.0 140 49 10 129 57 53
Jacob deGrom R 27 29 29 174.3 159 53 12 159 68 64
Zack Wheeler R 25 31 31 175.7 172 67 15 159 73 68
Noah Syndergaard R 22 26 26 134.3 142 38 13 122 56 52
Steven Matz L 24 25 25 141.7 125 44 11 134 60 56
Rafael Montero R 24 29 28 144.7 139 50 14 131 62 58
Jon Niese L 28 28 28 171.7 132 46 16 172 77 72
Bartolo Colon R 42 26 26 167.7 115 27 18 179 80 75
Dillon Gee R 29 23 23 142.0 107 40 18 142 71 66
Dario Alvarez L 26 23 9 65.3 67 28 6 59 29 27
Jenrry Mejia R 25 43 8 78.3 81 30 8 72 34 32
Jeurys Familia R 25 65 0 65.3 63 28 5 56 25 23
Jack Leathersich L 24 51 0 60.0 88 37 5 43 22 21
Carlos Torres R 32 53 9 107.3 95 39 13 101 50 47
Zach Thornton R 27 49 0 69.0 68 20 6 62 28 26
Dana Eveland L 31 34 10 85.3 69 30 8 84 41 38
Akeel Morris R 22 34 0 44.7 59 22 4 34 17 16
Cory Mazzoni R 25 17 17 94.7 74 28 11 95 48 45
Chasen Bradford R 25 59 0 76.3 65 13 8 74 32 30
Bobby Parnell R 30 47 0 44.7 37 13 3 42 18 17
Logan Verrett R 25 24 24 141.3 104 29 20 149 75 70
Josh Edgin L 28 68 0 47.0 46 21 4 41 20 19
Vic Black R 27 57 0 56.3 61 33 5 48 25 23
Darin Gorski L 27 20 18 100.0 88 36 15 99 54 50
Erik Goeddel R 26 56 0 75.7 71 32 7 70 35 33
Jose Valverde R 37 33 0 31.7 28 13 4 30 16 15
Jeremy Hefner R 29 18 15 79.7 56 24 11 85 45 42
Scott Rice L 33 49 0 35.3 29 20 3 34 18 17
Daisuke Matsuzaka R 34 27 17 96.0 80 49 11 92 54 50
Sean Gilmartin L 25 24 24 125.3 85 44 16 135 71 66
Joel Carreno R 28 33 7 70.0 61 35 9 69 39 36
Buddy Carlyle R 37 40 1 55.0 49 18 8 54 29 27
Carlos Alvarado R 37 19 13 77.0 49 43 8 81 46 43
Hansel Robles R 24 24 17 96.7 81 45 14 99 57 53
Gabriel Ynoa R 22 24 24 138.0 86 28 25 159 87 81

***

Pitchers, Rates and Averages

Player IP TBF K% BB% BABIP ERA FIP ERA- FIP-
Matt Harvey 153.0 637 22.0% 7.7% .275 3.12 3.24 88 91
Jacob deGrom 174.3 735 21.6% 7.2% .291 3.30 3.21 93 90
Zack Wheeler 175.7 753 22.8% 8.9% .294 3.48 3.59 98 101
Noah Syndergaard 134.3 563 25.2% 6.8% .300 3.48 3.28 98 92
Steven Matz 141.7 603 20.7% 7.3% .296 3.56 3.52 100 99
Rafael Montero 144.7 615 22.6% 8.1% .288 3.61 3.68 101 103
Jon Niese 171.7 733 18.0% 6.3% .292 3.77 3.72 106 105
Bartolo Colon 167.7 709 16.2% 3.8% .295 4.03 3.70 113 104
Dillon Gee 142.0 608 17.6% 6.6% .284 4.18 4.29 117 120
Dario Alvarez 65.3 283 23.7% 9.9% .298 3.72 3.74 104 105
Jenrry Mejia 78.3 337 24.0% 8.9% .298 3.68 3.51 103 99
Jeurys Familia 65.3 280 22.5% 10.0% .280 3.17 3.44 89 97
Jack Leathersich 60.0 260 33.8% 14.2% .297 3.15 3.28 88 92
Carlos Torres 107.3 462 20.6% 8.4% .284 3.94 4.16 111 117
Zach Thornton 69.0 289 23.5% 6.9% .293 3.39 3.34 95 94
Dana Eveland 85.3 370 18.7% 8.1% .297 4.01 4.01 113 113
Akeel Morris 44.7 190 31.0% 11.6% .294 3.22 3.38 90 95
Cory Mazzoni 94.7 407 18.2% 6.9% .291 4.28 4.17 120 117
Chasen Bradford 76.3 316 20.6% 4.1% .291 3.54 3.47 99 97
Bobby Parnell 44.7 189 19.6% 6.9% .289 3.43 3.20 96 90
Logan Verrett 141.3 602 17.3% 4.8% .292 4.46 4.31 125 121
Josh Edgin 47.0 203 22.7% 10.3% .285 3.64 3.79 102 107
Vic Black 56.3 250 24.4% 13.2% .291 3.67 4.03 103 113
Darin Gorski 100.0 435 20.2% 8.3% .289 4.50 4.60 126 129
Erik Goeddel 75.7 329 21.6% 9.7% .292 3.93 3.85 110 108
Jose Valverde 31.7 138 20.3% 9.4% .285 4.26 4.28 120 120
Jeremy Hefner 79.7 348 16.1% 6.9% .291 4.74 4.51 133 127
Scott Rice 35.3 160 18.1% 12.5% .293 4.33 4.34 122 122
Daisuke Matsuzaka 96.0 429 18.6% 11.4% .287 4.69 4.69 132 132
Sean Gilmartin 125.3 555 15.3% 7.9% .295 4.74 4.68 133 131
Joel Carreno 70.0 314 19.4% 11.1% .293 4.63 4.73 130 133
Buddy Carlyle 55.0 237 20.7% 7.6% .289 4.42 4.38 124 123
Carlos Alvarado 77.0 355 13.8% 12.1% .292 5.03 5.13 141 144
Hansel Robles 96.7 434 18.7% 10.4% .295 4.93 4.97 138 139
Gabriel Ynoa 138.0 601 14.3% 4.7% .295 5.28 5.05 148 142

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Pitchers, Assorted Other

Player IP K/9 BB/9 HR/9 ERA+ zWAR No. 1 Comp
Matt Harvey 153.0 8.24 2.88 0.59 114 2.8 Brian Holman
Jacob deGrom 174.3 8.21 2.74 0.62 107 2.8 Jason Schmidt
Zack Wheeler 175.7 8.81 3.43 0.77 102 2.4 Bob Walk
Noah Syndergaard 134.3 9.52 2.55 0.87 102 1.8 Kevin Millwood
Steven Matz 141.7 7.94 2.79 0.70 100 1.8 Danny Jackson
Rafael Montero 144.7 8.65 3.11 0.87 98 1.7 Kurt Ainsworth
Jon Niese 171.7 6.92 2.41 0.84 94 1.7 Scott Karl
Bartolo Colon 167.7 6.17 1.45 0.97 88 1.1 Jim Bunning
Dillon Gee 142.0 6.78 2.54 1.14 85 0.6 Chris Codiroli
Dario Alvarez 65.3 9.23 3.86 0.83 95 0.6 Rod Scurry
Jenrry Mejia 78.3 9.31 3.45 0.92 96 0.5 Tim Scott
Jeurys Familia 65.3 8.68 3.86 0.69 112 0.5 Lee Smith
Jack Leathersich 60.0 13.20 5.55 0.75 113 0.5 Randy Myers
Carlos Torres 107.3 7.97 3.27 1.09 90 0.3 Pat Mahomes
Zach Thornton 69.0 8.87 2.61 0.78 105 0.3 Jim Mecir
Dana Eveland 85.3 7.28 3.17 0.84 88 0.3 Terry Burrows
Akeel Morris 44.7 11.88 4.43 0.81 110 0.3 Armando Benitez
Cory Mazzoni 94.7 7.03 2.66 1.05 83 0.3 Joe Bitker
Chasen Bradford 76.3 7.67 1.53 0.94 100 0.2 Randy Graham
Bobby Parnell 44.7 7.45 2.62 0.60 103 0.2 Todd Williams
Logan Verrett 141.3 6.62 1.85 1.27 80 0.1 Josh Towers
Josh Edgin 47.0 8.81 4.02 0.77 97 0.1 Matt Whisenant
Vic Black 56.3 9.75 5.28 0.80 96 0.1 Calvin Jones
Darin Gorski 100.0 7.92 3.24 1.35 79 0.0 Dan Meyer
Erik Goeddel 75.7 8.44 3.80 0.83 90 -0.2 Brian Bowles
Jose Valverde 31.7 7.95 3.69 1.14 83 -0.2 Mike Fetters
Jeremy Hefner 79.7 6.32 2.71 1.24 75 -0.3 Clint Weibl
Scott Rice 35.3 7.39 5.10 0.76 82 -0.3 Marshall Bridges
Daisuke Matsuzaka 96.0 7.50 4.59 1.03 76 -0.3 Russ Ortiz
Sean Gilmartin 125.3 6.11 3.16 1.15 75 -0.3 Chris Cumberland
Joel Carreno 70.0 7.84 4.50 1.16 77 -0.4 James Warden
Buddy Carlyle 55.0 8.02 2.95 1.31 80 -0.4 Matt Whiteside
Carlos Alvarado 77.0 5.73 5.03 0.94 71 -0.6 Vern Kennedy
Hansel Robles 96.7 7.54 4.19 1.30 72 -0.6 Ron Chiavacci
Gabriel Ynoa 138.0 5.61 1.83 1.63 67 -1.4 John Gardner

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Disclaimer: ZiPS projections are computer-based projections of performance. Performances have not been allocated to predicted playing time in the majors — many of the players listed above are unlikely to play in the majors at all in 2014. ZiPS is projecting equivalent production — a .240 ZiPS projection may end up being .280 in AAA or .300 in AA, for example. Whether or not a player will play is one of many non-statistical factors one has to take into account when predicting the future.

Players are listed with their most recent teams unless Dan has made a mistake. This is very possible as a lot of minor-league signings are generally unreported in the offseason.

ZiPS is projecting based on the AL having a 3.93 ERA and the NL having a 3.75 ERA.

Players that are expected to be out due to injury are still projected. More information is always better than less information and a computer isn’t what should be projecting the injury status of, for example, a pitcher with Tommy John surgery.

Regarding ERA+ vs. ERA- (and FIP+ vs. FIP-) and the differences therein: as Patriot notes here, they are not simply mirror images of each other. Writes Patriot: “ERA+ does not tell you that a pitcher’s ERA was X% less or more than the league’s ERA. It tells you that the league’s ERA was X% less or more than the pitcher’s ERA.”

Both hitters and pitchers are ranked by projected zWAR — which is to say, WAR values as calculated by Dan Szymborski, whose surname is spelled with a z. WAR values might differ slightly from those which appear in full release of ZiPS. Finally, Szymborski will advise anyone against — and might karate chop anyone guilty of — merely adding up WAR totals on depth chart to produce projected team WAR.





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Carson Cyst-Stooly
11 years ago

I’d say the over on 2.8 WAR for Harvey is a pretty safe bet

Los
11 years ago

Looks up the word “safe”.

Ben
11 years ago

Harvey might be a good candidate to far exceed his ZiPS projection

Dovif
11 years ago

I think all 5 mets pitcher should beat their war projection

Wheeler improved as last year went on. I don’t believe he will regress. He is a breakout sp in 3 places I read already
Degrom beat his projection in 22 start last year
Niese is said to have developed a change up and had pitched at better than 1 war his whole career
Colon is deem to regress, but his fastball is unlikely to get slower

dls
11 years ago

Flores gets a solid projection.

Brian
11 years ago

This projection proves just about all the hallmarks of a winning team. A deep and diverse lineup, a pitching staff that is invulnerable to injury thanks to its depth, and bench pieces all over the diamond that can step in and provide positive value.

Not to mention more than a few upside candidates, at least relative to their modest projections (Harvey, Cuddyer, Wright, Granderson) and very few large downside candidates.

Los
11 years ago
Reply to  Brian

Seemingly ALL the upside is in the pitching. The team is deep enough and average enough to be a low 80 win team but it is hard to see them make the playoffs unless one of the starters has a Cy type season. Unless of course Wright turns back the clock a few years.

Los
11 years ago
Reply to  Los

Still they are the second best team in that division so I guess anything is possible.

Billy the Marlin
11 years ago
Reply to  Los

I’m going to have to ask Mr. Met to step outside.

Los
11 years ago
Reply to  Los

I remember when they fired Billy a while ago (grew up in Miami but haven’t been to a game down there since the World Series in 03). How you doing Billy? I’ve missed you.

metsican
11 years ago
Reply to  Los

To quote you, “look up the word ALL”. In addition to the pitching, they have upside at catcher (d’Arnaud), 1B (with Mayberry/Cuddyer playing against lefties), 3B (rolling back the clock all the way to 2013), LF, and CF.

Los
11 years ago
Reply to  metsican

I qualified with seemingly but whatever. The Mets are solidly above average at CF, 3B, 1B, and C. Their projections reflect that. My point was on upside as in the ability to beat their projections not having above average projections. Wright might party like it is 2013 but he is now 2 years older and has been hurt for a year. I’ll give you d’Arnaud but Granderson is old and broken (while still average) and Lagares doesn’t have much growth left unless he learns how to walk. He is the best defensive CF in baseball but we already know that. Can you honestly see anyone other than Wright have a 5 WAR year?

Senor_Met
11 years ago
Reply to  metsican

To be fair, I’d be amazed if Granderson significantly outperformed this projection, and I think 3.0 WAR is safe for Lagares. I’m hesitant to predict 5 wins for a guy based solely off defensive metrics, even though I think it’s possible, especially if he continues to hit. His BABIP was high last year but I think he’s the type of guy who can sit in the .320-.330 range based on his speed, ability to hit to all fields, and lack of popups

3D
11 years ago
Reply to  Los

He only needs to turn back the clock to 2013, in which he had the highest wRC+ and highest OPS+ of his career, and finished with a 6.0 WAR despite missing about a month of PAs.

teufelshuffle
11 years ago
Reply to  Los

Wright was worth 6.5 and 7 WAR two out of the last three years. I think “Turn back the clock” implies he was good years ago.

Scott
11 years ago
Reply to  Brian

Brian I like your stuff on MetsBlog, but it’s safe to say that the Mets BSide is better then their ASide which for the most part makes me believe we are in for another .500 to sub .500 season. I like the BSide to be good in 2017.

Brian
11 years ago
Reply to  Scott

By B-side do you mean Las Vegas? If that team has Thor, Plawecki, Matz and others for a large chunk of the year they might win 100 games.

metsican
11 years ago
Reply to  Brian

The infield projects to have Plawecki, Boyd, Herrera, and Reynolds, and some combination of den Dekker, Nimmo, and perhaps Puello in the outfield. That’s a lot of talent.

ShauncoreMember since 2019
11 years ago
Reply to  Brian

Since the move to a four division format, no PCL team has won more than 93 games in a season (the 2003 River Cats).

That team featured:

Graham Koonce, Luis Lopez, and Bobby Crosby as the 3 most active position players and Erik Hiljus, Justin Duchscherer, and Frank Castillo with the 3 most games started as pitchers.

This has nothing to do with the future prospect of the LV51’s winning 100 games, except that 100 wins would be 7 more wins than the more contemporary record.

Dovif
11 years ago
Reply to  Brian

Do triple a plays 130 games? That would really be an achievement 100-30

Jason B
11 years ago
Reply to  Brian

“invulnerable to injury”

Not quite. Depth is great to have and more is certainly better than less, and the Mets may be better suited to deal with pitcher injuries than many (most?) teams, but “invulnerable to injury” they aren’t.

JK
11 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

obviously he was speaking relatively.

Brian
11 years ago
Reply to  JK

No I mean bullets would LITERALLY bounce off Matt Harvey!

Jason B
11 years ago
Reply to  JK

Yeah at least it wasn’t the “literal” thing. Partial credit. 🙂

Jack Strawb
11 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

If any one of eight position players is lost for the year, the Mets could easily end up around replacement level at that position.

The idea that this team has any depth outside of pitching is laughable.

Milkman
11 years ago
Reply to  Jack Strawb

Really? They seem to me to have legitimate replacement candidates at most positions:

Catcher: Plawecki (projected to 2 WAR)
First: No good candidate. Maybe Cuddyer here with Nimmo in the outfield (1 WAR)
Second: Herrera (1.7 WAR)
Short: Ruben Tejada (1.4 WAR) or Matt Reynolds (0.7 WAR)
Third: Flores with Tejada or Reynolds taking short
Leftfield: Nimmo (1 WAR)
Center: Nimmo or den Dekker (1.1 WAR)
Right: Nimmo

That’s not ideal by any means (obviously, ideal would be to not lose your starter to injury), and would be bad if this was the starting team across the board, but having a backup option at every position prjected by ZiPS for at least 1 WAR is pretty good. They’d take a hit starting the back-up, but that’s true for any team (that’s why they are back-ups and not starting, of course). And some of these guys (Plawecki, Herrera, Nimmo) have serious upside as well. That’s what I call a deep team.

Yelp
11 years ago
Reply to  Brian

Carson, I’m surprised that you mention Mayberry and Campbell as “platoon candidates” for Duda.

My understanding is that the Mets will give Duda a chance to play against some left-handers, and that if there is an especially tough left-hander it will be Cuddyer rather than Mayberry or Campbell, in most instances, playing 1B.

John Caps
11 years ago
Reply to  Yelp

Cuddyer will probably play 1st against lefties, but they will most likely put Mayberry or Campbell in the OF in Cuddyer’s spot, essentially making them Lucas Duda’s platoon partners even though they are at different positions.

Jack Strawb
11 years ago
Reply to  Yelp

Is this a joke? Duda should never bat against a lefthander.

Christian
11 years ago
Reply to  Jack Strawb

Sure about that, bud?

Brian
11 years ago

Side note: Zoilo Versalles is the funniest possible comp for Wilmer Flores.

Bill
11 years ago

Zips love their young, hates their old.

Scott
11 years ago

Makes me want to vomit our three highest paid players are garbage and this is a team that is suppose to win now yet our big contracts given out over the past three years have to been to aging vets that can’t stay healthy and can’t produce.

LeeTro
11 years ago
Reply to  Scott

If you think David Wright is garbage, the Braves can give you cheaper garbage in Chris Johnson in exchange.

Scott
11 years ago
Reply to  LeeTro

Sadly they aren’t that different these days. Mets chose ticket sales and marketing over best onfield product which they still don’t get Mets fans will support a winner not players.

MikeIsGreat
11 years ago
Reply to  Scott

Don’t speak for all Mets fans. This one disagrees with you. David Wright is still a great player and if he was a free agent he probably would have received even more money.

LeeTro
11 years ago
Reply to  Scott

One bad year with a injured shoulder generally does not kill a career. He was the best 3B in ’12 and ’13, so thinking he’s suddenly a league-average player going forward is tremendously pessimistic.

3D
11 years ago
Reply to  Scott

They chose ticket sales and marketing over wins… by having a team full of in-house prospects, except for one FA signing of MICHAEL CUDDYER?!

I’ll have two of whatever the hell you’re drinking please.

Antonio Bananas
11 years ago
Reply to  Scott

Yes, because everyone knows that expensive old players on a bad team draw well. Makes perfect sense. People love coming to see a terrible team with old washed up players they resent (not that Wright is any of those, but your assumption that he was a ticket grab for name value is nuts).

metsican
11 years ago
Reply to  Scott

As a Mets fan, I genuinely feel disgust towards “fans” like you, mostly due to your ignorance.

Jack Strawb
11 years ago
Reply to  Scott

Yup. And with Colon and especially Granderson the Mets have overpaid to get their worst year or years just when the club is more likely to contend.

Amazing.

A 70 year old BBWAA member
11 years ago

Jeurys Familia looks like he’ll have a hall of fame career!

Josh
11 years ago

Lee Smith, Randy Myers, and Armando Benitez in the bullpen!

Phillies113
11 years ago

The Mets are so close. They’re just a piece or two away; if they could get a good quality SS, they’d be a force to be reckoned with and should challenge Washington for the division crown for a few years.

CrazyPants
11 years ago
Reply to  Phillies113

Meh. Merely having a functioning MLer (non-black hole) at every spot doesn’t make them a potential force in the NL. They have a very middle of the pack roster. Could they out-perform their overall talent and threaten for a WC spot? of course, but doesn’t seem like more than a .500 team right now.

Christian
11 years ago
Reply to  CrazyPants

Do you watch Baseball? This looks like a possible sub .500 team? Hahahaha.

ShauncoreMember since 2019
11 years ago
Reply to  Christian

A different projection system, Steamer, has them as a 73 win team. This is relevant because you are commenting on a page about the Mets 2015 outlook by a projection system.

Steamer most certainly does not watch baseball and formed the opinion that the Mets are a sub-500 team so maybe that’s against your criteria though.

Jason B
11 years ago
Reply to  Christian

Yeah, it’s not at all a stretch seeing sub-.500, just like it’s not at all a stretch to see 85ish wins. Young players progress, veterans hold up, stay relatively injury free? Contend into September! (And beyond?) Catastrophic injuries, young folks don’t pan out or take a step back? 73 wins!

People have little imagination sometimes.

CrazyPants
11 years ago
Reply to  Christian

you’re right… making minimal changes to a 79 win team whose cornerstone player has shoulder problems, both OF corners in their mid 30s, while also having a bottom tier defense and pen doesn’t add up to a formula for success.

CrazyPants
11 years ago
Reply to  Christian

so it probably isn’t a .500 yet. just being an objective Mets fan.

BipMember since 2016
11 years ago
Reply to  Christian

Yes and yes.

Dovif
11 years ago
Reply to  Christian

Crazy pants and not having a sp who was as good as kershaw in 2013

Trotter76
11 years ago
Reply to  Christian

@CrazyPants: That 79 win team gave 900 PAs to a combination of Chris Young, Eric Young, Bobby Abreu, and assorted other detritus, along with 419 PAs to Ruben Tejada. The also almost 200 IPs thrown by the likes of Dice-K, Valverde, Farnsworth (high leverage IP at that), John Lannan, etc. Mejia was ineffective as a starter to begin the season but quite good as a closer. Dillon Gee was the opening day starter, and now he can’t even crack the rotation! Maybe there are minimal changes between November and now, but that’s a HUGE amount of turnover between Opening Day 2014 and OD 15.

Jack Strawb
11 years ago
Reply to  CrazyPants

Very true, and I expect around 80-82 in 2015, but there’s a ton of upside for 2016. It’s a pity the club is so badly run that with one exception it can’t afford to keep homegrown regulars once their salaries mature.

3D
11 years ago
Reply to  Phillies113

Flores is a good quality SS.

I agree with you that if they had gotten a superstar, like say Tulowitzki or Ramirez, they might be a division contender. But let’s not act like Flores is chopped liver, either. I can see him having 2.5-3 WAR this season.

metsican
11 years ago
Reply to  3D

Offensively, sure. Defensively, not a chance. We’ll see how much he hits.

Vagabond
11 years ago

Leotreo didnt Miguel Cabrera play 3B in 2012?

kranepoolMember since 2021
11 years ago

#ImWithFlo

Vagabond
11 years ago

Not as well as Wright apparently. Thats what you get for assuming

Senor_Met
11 years ago

Zach Lutz? Isn’t he in Japan?

Mike S
11 years ago
Reply to  Senor_Met

Players active in 2014 who are not currently on other MLB rosters are projected with the last club for which they played. Hence the presence of Jose Valverde’s bloated corpse in the pitching section.

Brian
11 years ago

WHOA. Jack Leathersich, who I refuse to think about until he gets his BB/9 below 6 in Triple-A, has the best/most unexpected projection I think I’ve ever seen:

3.15 ERA, 13.20 K/9, 5.55 BB/9

Josh
11 years ago

Wow that Harvey comp… yikes

Prospector
11 years ago
Reply to  Josh

I admit I don’t understand how ZiPS player comps work. Brian Holman never had a K% above 15% nor a BB% less than 8%. Yet Harvey’s K% is forecast at 22% and BB% at 7.7%, both of which are heavily (and appropriately) regressed from the last time Harvey was pitching in New York. This seems more like a troll than a player comp.

BipMember since 2016
11 years ago
Reply to  Prospector

Adjusting for era, Holman had a slightly above average K rate some of the time and the 22% Harvey is projected for is slightly above average nowadays. I would imagine that Harvey will likely have better than a slightly above average K rate, but as long as that is projection, that could explain why his comp is Holman.

senor_mike
11 years ago

Does anyone know if zWAR is closer in construction to fWAR or bWAR, or is it so different from both that we don’t really have a comparative reference point?

By the way, that means a total aggregate of 50.7 zWAR, which seems like an enormous number. Yes I know, it doesn’t mean the 2015 Mets will be a 90+ win team, but ZiPS projected 39.7 in 2014, and 33.4 in 2013. For now I’m going to interpret it to mean the Mets’ expected depth is well above-average, until someone tells me different at least.

BipMember since 2016
11 years ago
Reply to  senor_mike

From the endnotes:

Finally, Szymborski will advise anyone against — and might karate chop anyone guilty of — merely adding up WAR totals on depth chart to produce projected team WAR.

Eric R
11 years ago
Reply to  Bip

Not to mention that this exercise did not use the depth charts so the offense and pitching have a combined ~2.5x as much projected PT as is possible.

senor_mike
11 years ago
Reply to  Bip

Thanks scoop, but I already admitted as much when I said:

Yes I know, it doesn’t mean the 2015 Mets will be a 90+ win team, but ZiPS projected 39.7 in 2014, and 33.4 in 2013. For now I’m going to interpret it to mean the Mets’ expected depth is well above-average, until someone tells me different at least.

I am not attempting to guess the Mets total team WAR, as I am very aware that they are not projected to beat the Nationals actual 2014 fWAR output by 2. However, year-to-year expected jump of a full 11 zWAR means something, and exactly what that something is I don’t know.

But I am hoping I can still get an answer to the first question: is zWAR closer in its construction to fWAR or bWAR?

Reality Check
11 years ago

These projections get all the Mets’ fans excited, but I still think I’d the the Marlins any day of the week over the Mets in a wins total for 2015. The only place I like the Mets better by the eyes is catcher.

Trotter76
11 years ago
Reply to  Reality Check

Mets fans are excited by this pitching staff. This team is built from within except for Cuddyer and Grandy, and many of the position players are still growing. No one can tell you right now how well d’Arnaud, Duda, Flores, Lagares, den Dekker, Nimmo, etc will do in their career. If the kids pan out, this team is a force to be reckoned with. If they don’t, it could be Mariners East. But that rotation of Harvey, Wheeler, deGrom and Syndergaard is worth getting excited about.

BLAKROMNEY
11 years ago

I think Harvey, Wheeler and DeGrom will all beat their WAR projections.

I also think Matt Harvey would be pissed off by being compared to Brian Holman.

And I know that big pitching match-ups don’t always pan out- but I’m very excited about the idea of HARVEY vs. TANAKA.

Trotter76
11 years ago
Reply to  BLAKROMNEY

Reconstructed elbow vs. elbow that needs reconstruction?

Matt
11 years ago

The Mets will be fun to watch, and this is a Phillie fan saying that!