2015 ZiPS Projections – Toronto Blue Jays
After having typically appeared in the very hallowed pages of Baseball Think Factory, Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections have been released at FanGraphs the past couple years. The exercise continues this offseason. Below are the projections for the Toronto Blue Jays. Szymborski can be found at ESPN and on Twitter at @DSzymborski.
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Batters
It’s likely promising for the 2015 edition of the Blue Jays — a club that finished second in the AL East last season by Base Runs — it’s likely promising that five of the ten best WAR projections per ZiPS this year belong to players who’ve been acquired over the offseason. Ezequiel Carrera (548 PA, 1.1 WAR), Josh Donaldson (634 PA, 5.1 WAR), Russell Martin (453 PA, 3.6 WAR), Michael Saunders (442 PA, 2.1 WAR), and Devon Travis (505 PA, 0.9 WAR) all profile at least as competent bench players or, in the case of Donaldson, potential MVP candidates*.
*At least, that is, in a world without Mike Trout.
Jose Bautista and Edwin Encarnacion, for their part, remain the club’s best hitters and also curiously similar in terms of approach. Both are projected to produce something better than a .240 ISO. Neither, meanwhile, is forecast to produce a strikeout rate more than three percentage greater than his walk rate. And, finally, neither is expected to record anything greater than a .270 BABIP.
Pitchers
While the 25-man roster is likely to be populated by a number of new hitters, the Blue Jays’ pitching corps remains mostly the same. Sophomore right-hander Marcus Stroman technically receives the best projection of the club’s prospective starters, but he and Mark Buehrle and R.A. Dickey all profile similarly in terms of run prevention.
The right-handed Aaron Sanchez is a curious case, as a result of the relatively wide disparity between his raw talent and performances. Working exclusively in relief last year, Sanchez parlayed his 97.1 mph fastball into a 72 FIP- and 0.6 WAR over just 33.0 innings. His 7.4% walk rate as a major leaguer, however, represented the absolutely lowest such mark he’d posted over the course of his entire professional career. ZiPS forecasts more difficulty for Sanchez in a starting role this next season (127.2 IP, 12.2% BB, 0.9 WAR).
Bench/Prospects
Omitted from the depth chart below are Steve Tolleson (361 PA, 0.3 WAR) and Travis, but both are likely to receive starts at second base. Also omitted is Dioner Navarro (380 PA, 1.6 WAR), who played both catcher and DH last year. Among the club’s rookie-eligible batters, center fielder Dalton Pompey (561 PA, 1.2 WAR) receives the top projection. Left-hander Daniel Norris (132.1 IP, 1.3 WAR) features the best one among the team’s pitching prospects.
Depth Chart
Below is a rough depth chart for the present incarnation of the Blue Jays, with rounded projected WAR totals for each player. For caveats regarding WAR values see disclaimer at bottom of post. Click to embiggen image.
Ballpark graphic courtesy Eephus League. Depth charts constructed by way of those listed here at site and author’s own haphazard reasoning.
Batters, Counting Stats
| Player | B | Age | PO | PA | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | SB | CS |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Josh Donaldson | R | 29 | 3B | 634 | 82 | 150 | 33 | 2 | 26 | 91 | 7 | 2 |
| Jose Bautista | R | 34 | RF | 524 | 78 | 116 | 21 | 0 | 29 | 84 | 6 | 2 |
| Russell Martin | R | 32 | C | 453 | 47 | 92 | 18 | 0 | 16 | 63 | 6 | 4 |
| Edwin Encarnacion | R | 32 | 1B | 559 | 76 | 132 | 27 | 1 | 30 | 97 | 6 | 1 |
| Jose Reyes | B | 32 | SS | 609 | 80 | 160 | 31 | 5 | 10 | 50 | 26 | 6 |
| Michael Saunders | L | 28 | RF | 442 | 66 | 96 | 22 | 3 | 14 | 60 | 10 | 4 |
| Dioner Navarro | B | 31 | C | 380 | 34 | 93 | 15 | 0 | 10 | 49 | 1 | 0 |
| Dalton Pompey | B | 22 | CF | 561 | 59 | 123 | 20 | 6 | 8 | 47 | 28 | 7 |
| Ezequiel Carrera | L | 28 | CF | 548 | 63 | 127 | 20 | 5 | 6 | 42 | 35 | 10 |
| Devon Travis | R | 24 | 2B | 505 | 56 | 114 | 17 | 4 | 13 | 50 | 11 | 5 |
| A.J. Jimenez | R | 25 | C | 317 | 28 | 73 | 17 | 1 | 4 | 28 | 3 | 2 |
| Danny Valencia | R | 30 | 3B | 427 | 41 | 100 | 25 | 2 | 12 | 55 | 2 | 3 |
| Derrick Chung | R | 27 | C | 301 | 25 | 69 | 12 | 0 | 1 | 19 | 1 | 3 |
| Ryan Schimpf | L | 27 | 2B | 476 | 51 | 83 | 21 | 2 | 18 | 56 | 2 | 2 |
| Kevin Pillar | R | 26 | LF | 609 | 66 | 153 | 37 | 3 | 11 | 64 | 20 | 8 |
| Andy Dirks | L | 29 | LF | 271 | 33 | 64 | 12 | 2 | 6 | 24 | 4 | 1 |
| Sean Ochinko | R | 27 | C | 263 | 24 | 56 | 13 | 0 | 6 | 26 | 0 | 1 |
| Steve Tolleson | R | 31 | SS | 361 | 36 | 75 | 14 | 2 | 5 | 31 | 8 | 3 |
| Dwight Smith Jr. | L | 22 | LF | 547 | 60 | 125 | 22 | 4 | 11 | 53 | 14 | 5 |
| Daric Barton | L | 29 | 1B | 469 | 51 | 95 | 22 | 1 | 8 | 47 | 2 | 1 |
| Justin Smoak | B | 28 | 1B | 525 | 61 | 112 | 24 | 0 | 18 | 68 | 0 | 1 |
| Matt Hague | R | 29 | 3B | 516 | 55 | 112 | 24 | 1 | 11 | 58 | 2 | 2 |
| Josh Thole | L | 28 | C | 265 | 23 | 59 | 10 | 1 | 3 | 20 | 0 | 2 |
| Maicer Izturis | B | 34 | 2B | 232 | 22 | 54 | 10 | 0 | 3 | 14 | 5 | 2 |
| Andy LaRoche | R | 31 | 3B | 324 | 32 | 70 | 17 | 0 | 7 | 35 | 1 | 1 |
| Melky Mesa | R | 28 | CF | 354 | 37 | 70 | 16 | 2 | 12 | 40 | 8 | 4 |
| Jack Murphy | B | 27 | C | 235 | 21 | 43 | 9 | 1 | 5 | 23 | 0 | 0 |
| Jake Fox | R | 32 | 1B | 336 | 41 | 71 | 18 | 0 | 13 | 52 | 0 | 0 |
| Brett Wallace | L | 28 | 1B | 547 | 65 | 119 | 22 | 1 | 20 | 67 | 1 | 1 |
| Chris Getz | L | 31 | 2B | 231 | 24 | 51 | 7 | 1 | 1 | 15 | 11 | 3 |
| Ramon Santiago | B | 35 | 2B | 219 | 20 | 44 | 8 | 1 | 2 | 18 | 1 | 1 |
| Cory Aldridge | L | 36 | RF | 291 | 35 | 57 | 7 | 0 | 14 | 35 | 1 | 1 |
| Ryan Goins | L | 27 | 2B | 580 | 49 | 127 | 25 | 3 | 5 | 48 | 4 | 5 |
| Jared Goedert | R | 30 | 3B | 450 | 47 | 92 | 19 | 1 | 11 | 48 | 2 | 0 |
| Munenori Kawasaki | L | 34 | 2B | 352 | 35 | 74 | 10 | 3 | 0 | 26 | 5 | 2 |
| Mike Nickeas | R | 32 | C | 195 | 15 | 36 | 7 | 0 | 2 | 16 | 0 | 0 |
| Chris Colabello | R | 31 | 1B | 512 | 54 | 108 | 25 | 0 | 19 | 73 | 0 | 1 |
| Jonathan Diaz | R | 30 | SS | 406 | 35 | 73 | 12 | 1 | 2 | 25 | 7 | 4 |
| Ryan Kalish | L | 27 | LF | 302 | 34 | 64 | 12 | 3 | 6 | 30 | 10 | 4 |
| Mitch Nay | R | 21 | 3B | 496 | 46 | 110 | 25 | 1 | 5 | 45 | 4 | 2 |
| Caleb Gindl | L | 26 | RF | 491 | 48 | 100 | 23 | 3 | 10 | 46 | 3 | 2 |
| Ricardo Nanita | L | 34 | RF | 299 | 30 | 68 | 13 | 1 | 6 | 30 | 2 | 1 |
| Brett Carroll | R | 32 | RF | 250 | 25 | 44 | 9 | 1 | 6 | 21 | 3 | 2 |
| Brad Glenn | R | 28 | RF | 492 | 46 | 94 | 21 | 1 | 15 | 54 | 2 | 1 |
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Batters, Rates and Averages
| Player | PA | BB% | K% | ISO | BABIP | AVG | OBP | SLG | wOBA |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Josh Donaldson | 634 | 9.1% | 19.6% | .203 | .295 | .265 | .338 | .468 | .352 |
| Jose Bautista | 524 | 15.1% | 16.4% | .248 | .269 | .267 | .384 | .515 | .386 |
| Russell Martin | 453 | 11.0% | 22.5% | .170 | .278 | .237 | .337 | .407 | .327 |
| Edwin Encarnacion | 559 | 11.4% | 14.1% | .244 | .267 | .270 | .358 | .514 | .374 |
| Jose Reyes | 609 | 6.7% | 9.9% | .127 | .303 | .285 | .333 | .412 | .329 |
| Michael Saunders | 442 | 10.0% | 25.6% | .179 | .306 | .246 | .320 | .425 | .326 |
| Dioner Navarro | 380 | 6.6% | 14.7% | .129 | .289 | .266 | .314 | .395 | .311 |
| Dalton Pompey | 561 | 7.3% | 24.4% | .109 | .310 | .239 | .298 | .348 | .295 |
| Ezequiel Carrera | 548 | 6.0% | 19.2% | .096 | .307 | .252 | .303 | .348 | .293 |
| Devon Travis | 505 | 5.3% | 16.8% | .137 | .271 | .244 | .290 | .381 | .296 |
| A.J. Jimenez | 317 | 4.1% | 18.9% | .104 | .290 | .245 | .275 | .349 | .274 |
| Danny Valencia | 427 | 4.7% | 19.9% | .161 | .285 | .249 | .283 | .410 | .302 |
| Derrick Chung | 301 | 4.7% | 15.6% | .054 | .291 | .246 | .288 | .300 | .260 |
| Ryan Schimpf | 476 | 8.4% | 33.8% | .185 | .260 | .195 | .272 | .380 | .286 |
| Kevin Pillar | 609 | 3.6% | 17.4% | .132 | .307 | .266 | .297 | .398 | .305 |
| Andy Dirks | 271 | 7.0% | 19.2% | .137 | .302 | .257 | .311 | .394 | .311 |
| Sean Ochinko | 263 | 4.9% | 21.7% | .125 | .270 | .227 | .270 | .352 | .276 |
| Steve Tolleson | 361 | 7.5% | 23.5% | .101 | .294 | .231 | .291 | .332 | .279 |
| Dwight Smith Jr. | 547 | 7.1% | 19.7% | .124 | .295 | .248 | .302 | .372 | .301 |
| Daric Barton | 469 | 11.1% | 16.0% | .118 | .264 | .233 | .324 | .351 | .304 |
| Justin Smoak | 525 | 9.7% | 21.9% | .168 | .278 | .240 | .316 | .408 | .318 |
| Matt Hague | 516 | 6.8% | 20.3% | .125 | .281 | .237 | .297 | .362 | .293 |
| Josh Thole | 265 | 7.9% | 15.8% | .088 | .287 | .247 | .309 | .335 | .280 |
| Maicer Izturis | 232 | 6.5% | 11.6% | .089 | .277 | .254 | .304 | .343 | .289 |
| Andy LaRoche | 324 | 5.6% | 17.3% | .127 | .264 | .234 | .282 | .361 | .282 |
| Melky Mesa | 354 | 4.0% | 35.0% | .167 | .291 | .210 | .251 | .377 | .278 |
| Jack Murphy | 235 | 6.8% | 28.9% | .120 | .264 | .199 | .256 | .319 | .258 |
| Jake Fox | 336 | 5.1% | 25.0% | .184 | .271 | .230 | .286 | .414 | .305 |
| Brett Wallace | 547 | 6.2% | 32.0% | .167 | .319 | .237 | .294 | .404 | .306 |
| Chris Getz | 231 | 5.6% | 11.7% | .057 | .273 | .243 | .289 | .300 | .261 |
| Ramon Santiago | 219 | 7.8% | 16.9% | .084 | .273 | .229 | .300 | .313 | .271 |
| Cory Aldridge | 291 | 8.2% | 40.2% | .186 | .319 | .216 | .282 | .402 | .300 |
| Ryan Goins | 580 | 4.5% | 20.7% | .085 | .293 | .236 | .271 | .321 | .257 |
| Jared Goedert | 450 | 7.1% | 25.6% | .130 | .278 | .222 | .278 | .352 | .281 |
| Munenori Kawasaki | 352 | 6.8% | 15.9% | .052 | .286 | .236 | .295 | .288 | .259 |
| Mike Nickeas | 195 | 6.2% | 21.5% | .073 | .254 | .205 | .257 | .278 | .238 |
| Chris Colabello | 512 | 6.6% | 28.7% | .174 | .290 | .230 | .287 | .404 | .304 |
| Jonathan Diaz | 406 | 8.4% | 20.7% | .056 | .264 | .207 | .286 | .263 | .248 |
| Ryan Kalish | 302 | 6.3% | 26.5% | .129 | .299 | .229 | .280 | .358 | .282 |
| Mitch Nay | 496 | 5.2% | 20.2% | .089 | .288 | .236 | .276 | .325 | .269 |
| Caleb Gindl | 491 | 7.5% | 25.7% | .132 | .287 | .223 | .284 | .355 | .282 |
| Ricardo Nanita | 299 | 4.3% | 16.7% | .117 | .273 | .242 | .279 | .359 | .278 |
| Brett Carroll | 250 | 7.2% | 31.6% | .128 | .266 | .195 | .261 | .323 | .262 |
| Brad Glenn | 492 | 5.5% | 33.1% | .148 | .279 | .206 | .253 | .354 | .269 |
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Batters, Assorted Other
| Player | PA | RC/27 | OPS+ | Def | zWAR | No.1 Comp |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Josh Donaldson | 634 | 5.9 | 120 | 9 | 5.1 | Todd Zeile |
| Jose Bautista | 524 | 7.3 | 146 | 2 | 4.2 | Dwight Evans |
| Russell Martin | 453 | 4.8 | 105 | 7 | 3.6 | Chris Hoiles |
| Edwin Encarnacion | 559 | 6.9 | 137 | -3 | 2.9 | Roy Sievers |
| Jose Reyes | 609 | 5.5 | 104 | -7 | 2.7 | Tony Fernandez |
| Michael Saunders | 442 | 4.9 | 104 | 9 | 2.1 | Michael Tucker |
| Dioner Navarro | 380 | 4.6 | 95 | -2 | 1.6 | Joe Azcue |
| Dalton Pompey | 561 | 4.0 | 78 | 3 | 1.2 | Milt Cuyler |
| Ezequiel Carrera | 548 | 4.1 | 79 | 1 | 1.1 | Chris Duffy |
| Devon Travis | 505 | 4.0 | 84 | 0 | 0.9 | Steven Singleton |
| A.J. Jimenez | 317 | 3.4 | 71 | 3 | 0.8 | Guillermo Garcia |
| Danny Valencia | 427 | 4.1 | 89 | -2 | 0.6 | Juan Uribe |
| Derrick Chung | 301 | 2.9 | 63 | 3 | 0.4 | Raul Chavez |
| Ryan Schimpf | 476 | 3.4 | 78 | 0 | 0.4 | Todd Carey |
| Kevin Pillar | 609 | 4.4 | 90 | 0 | 0.4 | Mitch Maier |
| Andy Dirks | 271 | 4.5 | 93 | 0 | 0.4 | Len Gabrielson |
| Sean Ochinko | 263 | 3.2 | 70 | -1 | 0.4 | Jeff Winchester |
| Steve Tolleson | 361 | 3.5 | 72 | -1 | 0.3 | Bill Lyons |
| Dwight Smith Jr. | 547 | 4.1 | 85 | 1 | 0.3 | Tom Lombarski |
| Daric Barton | 469 | 4.0 | 87 | 3 | 0.2 | Mike Twardoski |
| Justin Smoak | 525 | 4.5 | 98 | -3 | 0.2 | Larry Sutton |
| Matt Hague | 516 | 3.8 | 81 | -5 | 0.1 | Dale Berra |
| Josh Thole | 265 | 3.5 | 78 | -5 | 0.1 | Matt Tupman |
| Maicer Izturis | 232 | 3.8 | 79 | -2 | 0.1 | Craig Wilson |
| Andy LaRoche | 324 | 3.6 | 76 | -1 | 0.0 | Jason Wood |
| Melky Mesa | 354 | 3.2 | 71 | 0 | 0.0 | Scott Wade |
| Jack Murphy | 235 | 2.8 | 58 | -1 | 0.0 | Tom Nieto |
| Jake Fox | 336 | 4.2 | 90 | -1 | -0.1 | Ed Sprague |
| Brett Wallace | 547 | 4.2 | 90 | -1 | -0.1 | Chris Wakeland |
| Chris Getz | 231 | 3.4 | 63 | 0 | -0.1 | Paul Faries |
| Ramon Santiago | 219 | 3.2 | 70 | -2 | -0.2 | Rene Gonzales |
| Cory Aldridge | 291 | 3.9 | 86 | -2 | -0.2 | Dann Howitt |
| Ryan Goins | 580 | 3.0 | 63 | 5 | -0.2 | Felix Molina |
| Jared Goedert | 450 | 3.4 | 73 | -4 | -0.2 | Chris Saunders |
| Munenori Kawasaki | 352 | 3.0 | 62 | 0 | -0.3 | Don Blasingame |
| Mike Nickeas | 195 | 2.4 | 48 | -1 | -0.4 | Charlie Greene |
| Chris Colabello | 512 | 4.0 | 88 | -1 | -0.4 | Juan Thomas |
| Jonathan Diaz | 406 | 2.5 | 53 | 0 | -0.4 | Brandon Chaves |
| Ryan Kalish | 302 | 3.6 | 75 | -1 | -0.4 | Jalal Leach |
| Mitch Nay | 496 | 3.2 | 66 | -1 | -0.5 | Rob Cosby |
| Caleb Gindl | 491 | 3.5 | 75 | 1 | -0.5 | Craig Cooper |
| Ricardo Nanita | 299 | 3.6 | 75 | -1 | -0.5 | Joe Orsulak |
| Brett Carroll | 250 | 2.8 | 60 | 0 | -0.8 | Alan Cockrell |
| Brad Glenn | 492 | 3.0 | 65 | -3 | -1.5 | Troy Farnsworth |
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Pitchers, Counting Stats
| Player | T | Age | G | GS | IP | K | BB | HR | H | R | ER |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Marcus Stroman | R | 24 | 34 | 30 | 174.0 | 150 | 38 | 18 | 169 | 77 | 72 |
| R.A. Dickey | R | 37 | 30 | 30 | 194.0 | 152 | 59 | 25 | 185 | 93 | 87 |
| Mark Buehrle | L | 36 | 30 | 30 | 191.0 | 110 | 45 | 18 | 214 | 93 | 87 |
| Drew Hutchison | R | 24 | 27 | 27 | 151.3 | 143 | 48 | 20 | 146 | 76 | 71 |
| Daniel Norris | L | 22 | 34 | 28 | 132.3 | 143 | 60 | 20 | 121 | 68 | 64 |
| Marco Estrada | R | 31 | 31 | 22 | 142.0 | 130 | 38 | 25 | 137 | 75 | 70 |
| Liam Hendriks | R | 26 | 31 | 28 | 167.0 | 115 | 35 | 23 | 184 | 93 | 87 |
| Aaron Sanchez | R | 22 | 47 | 20 | 127.7 | 102 | 70 | 14 | 119 | 67 | 63 |
| Jeff Francis | L | 34 | 24 | 16 | 96.3 | 81 | 25 | 14 | 100 | 51 | 48 |
| Brett Cecil | L | 28 | 70 | 0 | 64.7 | 75 | 27 | 6 | 56 | 27 | 25 |
| Aaron Loup | L | 27 | 74 | 0 | 74.7 | 60 | 24 | 7 | 70 | 32 | 30 |
| Todd Redmond | R | 30 | 46 | 0 | 71.3 | 60 | 25 | 7 | 70 | 33 | 31 |
| Rob Rasmussen | L | 26 | 54 | 0 | 61.3 | 56 | 28 | 6 | 57 | 29 | 27 |
| Colt Hynes | L | 30 | 56 | 0 | 63.3 | 56 | 13 | 8 | 63 | 30 | 28 |
| Wilton Lopez | R | 31 | 51 | 0 | 65.0 | 51 | 12 | 8 | 68 | 31 | 29 |
| Jayson Aquino | L | 22 | 18 | 17 | 100.7 | 67 | 40 | 14 | 112 | 61 | 57 |
| Steve Delabar | R | 31 | 60 | 0 | 61.7 | 74 | 34 | 8 | 53 | 31 | 29 |
| Raul Valdes | L | 37 | 32 | 9 | 75.7 | 66 | 22 | 13 | 79 | 44 | 41 |
| Dustin McGowan | R | 33 | 45 | 4 | 58.7 | 48 | 28 | 8 | 58 | 32 | 30 |
| Cory Burns | R | 27 | 55 | 0 | 69.3 | 57 | 23 | 8 | 71 | 35 | 33 |
| Frank Francisco | R | 35 | 20 | 0 | 18.3 | 19 | 7 | 2 | 17 | 10 | 9 |
| Juan Oramas | L | 25 | 21 | 20 | 101.0 | 83 | 42 | 16 | 108 | 62 | 58 |
| Ryan Tepera | R | 27 | 40 | 11 | 89.3 | 66 | 40 | 12 | 94 | 52 | 49 |
| John Stilson | R | 24 | 33 | 0 | 44.7 | 36 | 18 | 5 | 45 | 24 | 22 |
| Bo Schultz | R | 29 | 37 | 16 | 111.7 | 69 | 41 | 15 | 124 | 67 | 63 |
| Matt West | R | 26 | 42 | 0 | 57.0 | 49 | 21 | 8 | 58 | 31 | 29 |
| Preston Guilmet | R | 27 | 52 | 0 | 58.7 | 52 | 16 | 10 | 59 | 32 | 30 |
| Chad Jenkins | R | 27 | 44 | 4 | 77.7 | 44 | 17 | 12 | 89 | 45 | 42 |
| Scott Barnes | L | 27 | 33 | 2 | 42.3 | 40 | 25 | 6 | 41 | 26 | 24 |
| Greg Infante | R | 27 | 40 | 0 | 44.0 | 37 | 26 | 5 | 44 | 26 | 24 |
| Greg Burke | R | 32 | 46 | 0 | 60.3 | 56 | 25 | 9 | 61 | 34 | 32 |
| Andrew Albers | L | 29 | 26 | 26 | 140.7 | 87 | 37 | 23 | 164 | 90 | 84 |
| Bobby Korecky | R | 35 | 43 | 1 | 62.0 | 40 | 21 | 9 | 69 | 37 | 35 |
| Austin Bibens-Dirkx | R | 30 | 33 | 15 | 109.7 | 76 | 37 | 19 | 123 | 71 | 66 |
| Kyle Drabek | R | 27 | 25 | 13 | 79.3 | 53 | 30 | 15 | 90 | 54 | 50 |
| P.J. Walters | R | 30 | 26 | 25 | 129.0 | 83 | 54 | 22 | 148 | 88 | 82 |
| Scott Copeland | R | 27 | 28 | 25 | 141.3 | 76 | 70 | 20 | 164 | 96 | 90 |
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Pitchers, Rates and Averages
| Player | IP | TBF | K% | BB% | BABIP | ERA | FIP | ERA- | FIP- |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Marcus Stroman | 174.0 | 729 | 20.6% | 5.2% | .292 | 3.72 | 3.61 | 92 | 89 |
| R.A. Dickey | 194.0 | 826 | 18.4% | 7.1% | .276 | 4.04 | 4.43 | 100 | 109 |
| Mark Buehrle | 191.0 | 832 | 13.2% | 5.4% | .299 | 4.10 | 4.11 | 101 | 102 |
| Drew Hutchison | 151.3 | 648 | 22.1% | 7.4% | .293 | 4.22 | 4.17 | 104 | 103 |
| Daniel Norris | 132.3 | 578 | 24.7% | 10.4% | .290 | 4.35 | 4.59 | 107 | 113 |
| Marco Estrada | 142.0 | 601 | 21.6% | 6.3% | .276 | 4.44 | 4.57 | 110 | 113 |
| Liam Hendriks | 167.0 | 720 | 16.0% | 4.9% | .300 | 4.69 | 4.47 | 116 | 111 |
| Aaron Sanchez | 127.7 | 572 | 17.8% | 12.2% | .277 | 4.44 | 4.86 | 110 | 120 |
| Jeff Francis | 96.3 | 414 | 19.6% | 6.0% | .298 | 4.48 | 4.35 | 111 | 107 |
| Brett Cecil | 64.7 | 277 | 27.1% | 9.7% | .301 | 3.48 | 3.41 | 86 | 84 |
| Aaron Loup | 74.7 | 318 | 18.9% | 7.5% | .285 | 3.62 | 3.93 | 89 | 97 |
| Todd Redmond | 71.3 | 309 | 19.4% | 8.1% | .293 | 3.91 | 3.75 | 97 | 93 |
| Rob Rasmussen | 61.3 | 269 | 20.8% | 10.4% | .293 | 3.96 | 4.33 | 98 | 107 |
| Colt Hynes | 63.3 | 266 | 21.1% | 4.9% | .296 | 3.98 | 3.85 | 98 | 95 |
| Wilton Lopez | 65.0 | 275 | 18.5% | 4.4% | .297 | 4.02 | 3.85 | 99 | 95 |
| Jayson Aquino | 100.7 | 454 | 14.8% | 8.8% | .300 | 5.10 | 5.09 | 126 | 126 |
| Steve Delabar | 61.7 | 272 | 27.2% | 12.5% | .296 | 4.23 | 4.36 | 104 | 108 |
| Raul Valdes | 75.7 | 328 | 20.1% | 6.7% | .296 | 4.88 | 4.75 | 121 | 117 |
| Dustin McGowan | 58.7 | 262 | 18.3% | 10.7% | .286 | 4.60 | 4.94 | 114 | 122 |
| Cory Burns | 69.3 | 302 | 18.9% | 7.6% | .300 | 4.28 | 4.16 | 106 | 103 |
| Frank Francisco | 18.3 | 79 | 24.1% | 8.9% | .295 | 4.42 | 3.76 | 109 | 93 |
| Juan Oramas | 101.0 | 453 | 18.3% | 9.3% | .301 | 5.17 | 5.08 | 128 | 126 |
| Ryan Tepera | 89.3 | 402 | 16.4% | 10.0% | .294 | 4.94 | 4.98 | 122 | 123 |
| John Stilson | 44.7 | 197 | 18.3% | 9.1% | .296 | 4.43 | 4.52 | 109 | 112 |
| Bo Schultz | 111.7 | 500 | 13.8% | 8.2% | .295 | 5.08 | 4.96 | 125 | 123 |
| Matt West | 57.0 | 250 | 19.6% | 8.4% | .296 | 4.58 | 4.59 | 113 | 113 |
| Preston Guilmet | 58.7 | 251 | 20.7% | 6.4% | .288 | 4.60 | 4.58 | 114 | 113 |
| Chad Jenkins | 77.7 | 339 | 13.0% | 5.0% | .293 | 4.87 | 4.88 | 120 | 121 |
| Scott Barnes | 42.3 | 193 | 20.7% | 13.0% | .297 | 5.10 | 5.28 | 126 | 130 |
| Greg Infante | 44.0 | 202 | 18.3% | 12.9% | .298 | 4.91 | 4.97 | 121 | 123 |
| Greg Burke | 60.3 | 267 | 21.0% | 9.4% | .299 | 4.77 | 4.65 | 118 | 115 |
| Andrew Albers | 140.7 | 623 | 14.0% | 5.9% | .301 | 5.37 | 5.12 | 133 | 126 |
| Bobby Korecky | 62.0 | 276 | 14.5% | 7.6% | .297 | 5.08 | 5.08 | 125 | 125 |
| Austin Bibens-Dirkx | 109.7 | 489 | 15.5% | 7.6% | .297 | 5.42 | 5.34 | 134 | 132 |
| Kyle Drabek | 79.3 | 358 | 14.8% | 8.4% | .293 | 5.67 | 5.68 | 140 | 140 |
| P.J. Walters | 129.0 | 589 | 14.1% | 9.2% | .298 | 5.72 | 5.62 | 141 | 139 |
| Scott Copeland | 141.3 | 658 | 11.6% | 10.6% | .298 | 5.73 | 5.71 | 142 | 141 |
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Pitchers, Assorted Other
| Player | IP | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | ERA+ | zWAR | No. 1 Comp |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Marcus Stroman | 174.0 | 7.76 | 1.97 | 0.93 | 108 | 3.1 | Carl Pavano |
| R.A. Dickey | 194.0 | 7.05 | 2.74 | 1.16 | 99 | 2.7 | Joe Niekro |
| Mark Buehrle | 191.0 | 5.18 | 2.12 | 0.85 | 98 | 2.5 | Claude Osteen |
| Drew Hutchison | 151.3 | 8.51 | 2.86 | 1.19 | 95 | 1.8 | Ervin Santana |
| Daniel Norris | 132.3 | 9.73 | 4.08 | 1.36 | 92 | 1.3 | Cliff Lee |
| Marco Estrada | 142.0 | 8.24 | 2.41 | 1.58 | 90 | 1.2 | Hideki Irabu |
| Liam Hendriks | 167.0 | 6.20 | 1.89 | 1.24 | 86 | 0.9 | Heath Totten |
| Aaron Sanchez | 127.7 | 7.19 | 4.93 | 0.99 | 90 | 0.9 | Joe Blanton |
| Jeff Francis | 96.3 | 7.57 | 2.34 | 1.31 | 90 | 0.7 | Buzz Oliver |
| Brett Cecil | 64.7 | 10.43 | 3.76 | 0.83 | 115 | 0.7 | Hector Mercado |
| Aaron Loup | 74.7 | 7.23 | 2.89 | 0.84 | 111 | 0.6 | Don Florence |
| Todd Redmond | 71.3 | 7.57 | 3.16 | 0.88 | 103 | 0.3 | Chad Paronto |
| Rob Rasmussen | 61.3 | 8.22 | 4.11 | 0.88 | 101 | 0.2 | Scott Wiggins |
| Colt Hynes | 63.3 | 7.96 | 1.85 | 1.14 | 101 | 0.2 | Erasmo Ramirez |
| Wilton Lopez | 65.0 | 7.06 | 1.66 | 1.11 | 100 | 0.2 | Gil Heredia |
| Jayson Aquino | 100.7 | 5.99 | 3.57 | 1.25 | 79 | 0.0 | Jim Crowell |
| Steve Delabar | 61.7 | 10.79 | 4.96 | 1.17 | 95 | 0.0 | Calvin Jones |
| Raul Valdes | 75.7 | 7.85 | 2.62 | 1.55 | 82 | 0.0 | Chris Nichting |
| Dustin McGowan | 58.7 | 7.36 | 4.29 | 1.23 | 87 | 0.0 | David Lee |
| Cory Burns | 69.3 | 7.40 | 2.99 | 1.04 | 94 | 0.0 | Scott Roehl |
| Frank Francisco | 18.3 | 9.34 | 3.44 | 0.98 | 91 | 0.0 | Ricky Bottalico |
| Juan Oramas | 101.0 | 7.40 | 3.74 | 1.43 | 78 | -0.1 | Mike Bynum |
| Ryan Tepera | 89.3 | 6.65 | 4.03 | 1.21 | 81 | -0.1 | Marty McLeary |
| John Stilson | 44.7 | 7.25 | 3.62 | 1.01 | 91 | -0.1 | Steve LaRose |
| Bo Schultz | 111.7 | 5.56 | 3.30 | 1.21 | 79 | -0.2 | Elliot Brown |
| Matt West | 57.0 | 7.74 | 3.32 | 1.26 | 88 | -0.2 | Steve Ellsworth |
| Preston Guilmet | 58.7 | 7.97 | 2.45 | 1.53 | 87 | -0.3 | Heath Bost |
| Chad Jenkins | 77.7 | 5.10 | 1.97 | 1.39 | 82 | -0.3 | Tony Phillips |
| Scott Barnes | 42.3 | 8.51 | 5.32 | 1.28 | 79 | -0.3 | Keith Glauber |
| Greg Infante | 44.0 | 7.57 | 5.32 | 1.02 | 82 | -0.4 | Johnny Humphries |
| Greg Burke | 60.3 | 8.36 | 3.73 | 1.34 | 84 | -0.4 | David Lee |
| Andrew Albers | 140.7 | 5.57 | 2.37 | 1.47 | 75 | -0.5 | Scott Downs |
| Bobby Korecky | 62.0 | 5.81 | 3.05 | 1.31 | 79 | -0.6 | Terry Mathews |
| Austin Bibens-Dirkx | 109.7 | 6.24 | 3.04 | 1.56 | 74 | -0.6 | Jason Roach |
| Kyle Drabek | 79.3 | 6.02 | 3.40 | 1.70 | 71 | -0.7 | Vic Martin |
| P.J. Walters | 129.0 | 5.79 | 3.77 | 1.53 | 70 | -1.0 | Kip Bouknight |
| Scott Copeland | 141.3 | 4.84 | 4.46 | 1.27 | 70 | -1.1 | Jim Hunter |
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Disclaimer: ZiPS projections are computer-based projections of performance. Performances have not been allocated to predicted playing time in the majors — many of the players listed above are unlikely to play in the majors at all in 2014. ZiPS is projecting equivalent production — a .240 ZiPS projection may end up being .280 in AAA or .300 in AA, for example. Whether or not a player will play is one of many non-statistical factors one has to take into account when predicting the future.
Players are listed with their most recent teams unless Dan has made a mistake. This is very possible as a lot of minor-league signings are generally unreported in the offseason.
ZiPS is projecting based on the AL having a 3.93 ERA and the NL having a 3.75 ERA.
Players that are expected to be out due to injury are still projected. More information is always better than less information and a computer isn’t what should be projecting the injury status of, for example, a pitcher with Tommy John surgery.
Regarding ERA+ vs. ERA- (and FIP+ vs. FIP-) and the differences therein: as Patriot notes here, they are not simply mirror images of each other. Writes Patriot: “ERA+ does not tell you that a pitcher’s ERA was X% less or more than the league’s ERA. It tells you that the league’s ERA was X% less or more than the pitcher’s ERA.”
Both hitters and pitchers are ranked by projected zWAR — which is to say, WAR values as calculated by Dan Szymborski, whose surname is spelled with a z. WAR values might differ slightly from those which appear in full release of ZiPS. Finally, Szymborski will advise anyone against — and might karate chop anyone guilty of — merely adding up WAR totals on depth chart to produce projected team WAR.
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~9 WAR out of Stroman, Dickey and Buerhle seems overly optimistic. Dickey has only reached 3 WAR once in his career and Stroman’s track record is only 20 starts. Buerhle could go either way.
Not saying its crazy, but I would take the under.
take any 3 starting pitchers, one in his 40’s, one over 35…
taking the under on any combined WAR is probably not a trip on the wild side, given probability injury takes down at least 1.
I get your point, though.
Dickey and Buerhle are two of the rare guys where you can kind of throw FIP (and therefore fWAR) out the window. Buerhle has proven over thousands of innings that he consistently beats FIP, his BABIP and LOB are lower than typical. Dickey, as a knuckler, has a low BABIP ever since adopting the knuckleball as his primary pitch. Anything FIP based undervalues those two.
9 WAR out of the three mite be a smidge optimistic, but probably more reasonably than the Steamer projection that has Dickey and Buerhle combining for about 3 WAR.
But according to Dave Cameron no pitcher can consistently beat their FIP!
Cite Dave Cameron saying “no pitcher can consistently beat their FIP”. Any reply that fails to produce that citation will be understood as an admission that you were lying.
Cameron says, rightly I think, that don’t assume a pitcher can beat his FIP until there’s a lot of innings of evidence. When a guy has a year or two of beating FIP, be skeptical. But he acknowledges that there is evidence that some pitchers do outperform FIP. They’re just few and far between, and it takes years to truly identify them.
When a guy (buerhle) has 14 years of beating his FIP, that’s solid. And knucklers as a species are acknowledged to usually beat FIP, due to their lower BABIP.
Not true at all, the knuckleball caveat (weaker contact) has been well accepted by the Sabr community,.
Jered Weaver says “hi.”
not that optimistic. the three combined for 8.9war last year, and that’s with stro in the minors for 1/3 of the season.
8.9war from the three last year, with stroman in the minors for 1/3 of the year.
forecasting the same total value seems pretty reasonable when forecasting all 3 as fulltime guys with a bit of regression overallm
That Daniel Norris/Cliff Lee comp though…
That’s a confusing one since Lee has great command and Norris not so much.
Check out the first few years of Lee’s career. The elite command came along in his mid to late 20’s.
the comps take age into account, so it’s cliff lee, minor leaguer with high strikeout totals and suspect command that’s getting referenced here, not the 30 year old control artist
I am aware, but it’s still neat to see the parallels. Much better than a top prospect having, you know, Joe Blanton or something 😉
Or Carl Pavano…don’t tell me Stroman will be broken down and injury prone :(.
No Ricky Romero???
Ricky Romero top comp: the underhand pitcher on your beer league team.
Nope, that Dudes got a way better BB%.
Donaldson:Zeile o.O
If he meets that projection he’ll have nearly as much WAR in 2013-15 as Zeile put up his entire career. And Zeile at 29 was an established bad defender with a high water mark of 118 wRC+.
Yikes that’s 5 less WAR than the Red Sox projected depth chart…
yeah but Mookie Betts alone probably accounts for 15 war of the Sox total.
Because projections are always right…
Well obviously… that’s why they are “projections” and not results. But its still interesting to consider the 5 WAR gap.
inclusion of Navarro and Travis tighten the gap substantially
Szymborski will advise anyone against — and might karate chop anyone guilty of — merely adding up WAR totals on depth chart to produce projected team WAR.
Still waiting for him to ninja me from behind. Once again… the projected depth chart WARs are still something interesting to consider and discuss regardless. Obviously they don’t form the cornerstone of any argument of Team A vs Team B especially when you consider the lack of regular bench players (like Navarro and Valencia) or rookie contributions (Travis and Norris). But they do suggest that at team like the Sox has a better core of regulars than the Jays.
the projected depth chart WARs are still something interesting to consider and discuss regardless
Regardless of…the creator of those very numbers telling you it isn’t worth discussing? Ok.
That’s not what he said at all. He specifically said don’t use it to project team WAR. He didn’t say you can’t compare team depth charts for the sake of discussion. Rather than regurgitate information. Try to think a little.
If you were to “think a little” you’d realize that what you’re doing IS the same thing.
which is interesting, since last year this same collection of current jays players combined for 45war, while that same collection of current bosox players combined for 37war.
that’s a 13 game swing projected between the two from last year’s performances to this year’s. and that’s even though the sox have mire age and injury issues, and are relying on more players without significant mlb track records.
pretty aggressive.
should be a pretty good test of Zips’ value.
“Finally, Szymborski will advise anyone against — and might karate chop anyone guilty of — merely adding up WAR totals on depth chart to produce projected team WAR.”
fine, we can restate the same point without using summed up totals:
Jays Projected War Changes from 2014 to 2015 , assuming no rookies crack the 25 man roster, and no rp included:
+1.5 or more: 0
+0.5 to +1.5: 2
-0.5 to +0.5: 8
-0.5 to -1.5: 5
-1.5 or more: 2
red sox:
+1.5 or more: 4
+0.5 to +1.5: 6
-0.5 to +0.5: 5
-0.5 to -1.5: 3
-1.5 or more: 0
Hutchinson will outperform Dickey
I severely doubt that considering that there is no Hutchinson currently playing in MLB. Hutchison though, possibly. I can’t make up my mind on whether that is a good thing or not.
if Dickey pitches well, and Drew pitches better, we’ll take that as a good thing
Wow siggian, you really ripped him apart. You should play back-up in John’s band.
If Ezequiel Carrera comes anywhere close to this prediction, it’d be quite the achievement.
Didn’t know Brett Wallace was back for another tour of duty with the Jays (or their AAA affiliate anyway).
To my knowledge I have never seen the letter combination “rkx” in a name before, ever. To wit, Austin Bibens-Dirkx sounds like a Spinal Tan drummer. Hope he fares better than the last four…
Flemish names sometimes end in -kx; looking at common names of Belgium (link) Dierckx is a fairly common Flemish name so maybe that’s where it comes rom.
Thanks for the info! I didn’t suspect he was from ’round here, I just wasn’t sure what locales supplied names of that sort.
If only there were a searching-type engine where one could access the vast stores of knowledge that are now available digitally. Or even an online encyclopedia, for that matter.
He’s not. Wallace is in the Padres organization.
they have derick barton?
I am sure there is a story behind the spelling of Daric Barton. I mean “Derek Jeter” is actually “Derek Sanderson Jeter”, so that’s easy to figure out. A daric was an ancient Persian coin, but somehow I doubt that is where Barton’s name came from.
Technical question for Dan. Where do the minor league BABIP projections come from? I was quite surprised to see Travis’ projected BABIP of .271 next to Jimenez’ projected BABIP of .290. Travis is faster than Jimenez and hits with more power, and (at least in the minor leagues) hasn’t popped up much and has hit at least an average number of line drives. I would have guessed that the BABIP projections for Travis and Jimenez would be reversed.
How could you give 12 million dollars to Marco Estrada?!
Starters 2014 vs. 2015 proj (war)
Donaldson: 6.4 — 5.1 (-1.3)
Bautista: 6.3 —- 4.2 (-2.1)
Martin: 5.3 —— 3.6 (-1.3)
Encarnacion: 3.6 – 2.9 (-0.7)
Reyes: 3.3 ——- 2.7 (-0.6)
Navarro: 2.0 —– 1.6 (-0.4)
Saunders: 1.9 —- 2.1 (+0.2)
Pillar: 0.6 —— 0.4 (-0.2)
Izturis: 0.2 —– 0.1 (-0.1)
Buehrle: 3.5 —– 2.5 (-1.0)
Stroman: 3.3 —– 3.1 (-0.2)
Hutch: 2.6 ——- 1.8 (-0.8)
Dickey: 2.1 —— 2.7 (+0.6)
Estrada*: -0.3 —- 1.2 (+1.5)
so 6.5 wins knocked off of last year’s performances from this year’s probable starters, and that generously includes estrada as the #5 guy, the only guy projected for a significant improvement, and he may never even start this year.
without estrada, that is just under 8 wins taken away from the projected starters (assuming no rookies make the team) from last year’s performances.
and that’s even though none of them had career years, or even their best recent year, and none have critical age or injury issues.
I think the only way to describe that is “crazy”.
The projections are generally low, you need to compare them to the league average. Can’t remember if it’s ZIP or Steamer but Stroman had a low projected WAR but it was top 10 in the AL among SP.
still 8 wins less from the same guys seems crazy high, no?
I wonder if its just a case where elite performers necessarily get dinged in any regression model.
the jays have 2 top 10 2014 position players, 3 top 20, and 5 top 75. they also have 3 top 50 2014 pitchers and 4 top 75.
maybe these projection systems will necessarily punish teams with elite performers and questionable depth, and reward teams with good depth but few elite performers.
either way, 8 wins less from the same players seems pretty crazy to me.
Keep in mind that alot of the Jays players are also on the wrong end of the ageing curve. Bautista, Reyes, EE, Buehrle, and Martin will all be 32 or older this season. So they are naturally going to be projected to regress.
Not many projection systems out there are going to project a 34 year old to improve on a 6 win season.
32 seems a little young to be projecting steep decline.
and of course there’s just as much regression projected for the jays younger players, too.
don’t think the jays’ age explains a collective downturn like that.
Dickey 40
Buehrle 36
Bautista 34
Izturis 34
Martin 32
Encarnacion 32
Reyes 32
Navarro 31
Estrada 31
Tolleson 31
Delabar 31
Redmond 30
Valencia 30
Donaldson 29
Saunders 28
Cecil 28
Smoak 28
Loup 27
Jenkins 27
Hendriks 26
Pillar 26
West 26
Rasmussen 26
Stroman 24
Hutchison 24
(Travis 24)
(Pompey 22)
(Norris 22)
(Sanchez 22)
I see four guys for whom age might be a serious factor in projections (I.e. older than 32), and two of them are pitchers whose stuff is not the kind that you really worry about declining with age like more normal pitchers do.
32 seems a little young to be projecting steep decline.
I suggest you take a look at some of the articles on aging curves on this very site.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/hitters-no-longer-peak-only-decline/
I would argue that Bautista and Reyes should be projected for less plate appearances than they had last season. Defense usually gets fairly heavily regressed, explaining Donaldson and Martin’s low projections. Finally, the pitchers are pretty much unilaterally projected for less innings.
I think you’d have to add in some of the bench player WAR to complete your analysis since you’re not even on playing time in your comparison. It’d still look a little low, but not crazy.
any particular reason why those guys should play significantly fewer games this year?
They’re getting old, bro.
reyes is 31 and missed 20gms last year.
Reyes played 160 games for Florida in his one year there. Aside from that, he hadn’t played in at least 143 games (last year’s total) since Shea Stadium was still around (2008). So I don’t think it’s crazy for novaether to think he’d have fewer plate appearances next year.
And for what it’s worth, he didn’t say ‘significantly’. Steamer only projects a drop of 18 plate appearances and 5 games.
I’d scroll down to “Lesson #6” of this article by Dan and read the second and third paragraphs. It’s not crazy — it’s about establishing a mean projection.
the only way to describe that is “projections”
in 2013, in a series, the Jays used the following pitchers:
Johnson
Wang
Dickey
I need to join up with these guys…
I don’t get it?
What? A guy named Furbush doesn’t understand a Johnson, Wang and Dickey reference! Must play for the other team!
Dont know if it would necessarily plausible or recommended, but do they carry 3 catchers for the majority of the season so they can run navarro out as the DH most games? That would also suggest that Martin and Navarro probably see the most PAs as a DH and leave EE as primary 1B. His D wouldn’t be great but it would save from giving Smoak more PA then he should see and Jimenez is supposedly a good defender and could easily be brought into games when needed based on that alone.
Another technical question for Dan. Buehrle is projected to have essentially the same FIP and ERA. Over his long career, he has produced a much lower ERA than FIP for very obvious reasons. He is an excellent fielder and he absolutely controls the running game. I suppose that some regression in his fielding might be the explanation. Is that it?
I’ll have to look at Travis and Jimenez – I have minor league hit data in there.
For Buehrle, his line drive rate has creeped up a bit (more than league has increased), so has reduced confidence in Buehrle beating his FIP.
Thanks, Dan.
How come the Jays don’t let Jenkins bat if he’s Tony Phillips?
Haha – we’ve solved the TOR infield conundrum!
I really like so many players on this team, namely Martin, Donaldson, Encarnacion, Bautista and Reyes on offense, and Buehrle, Dickey, Stroman, Sanchez, and Norris on the pitching side. Pompey is interesting, too. Martin is among the five or so best catchers of his era (Mauer, Molina, Posey, McCann, Martin? What’s with all the M-last name catchers?) while Reyes is near the top of the shortstop rankings (I’d rank him behind Tulo and Hanley, and also obviously Jeter/A-Rod from the past generation) while Bautista, Encarnacion and Donaldson are all great late-bloomers.
Cliff Lee, Ervin Santana, Carl Pavano, Joe Niekro, Joe Blanton.
That is a top notch rotation which is interesting because the Jays’ rotation is still very mediocre in my opinion.
McGowan was signed by the Dodgers.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=8600&position=P#contract
…and released him.