2019 ZiPS Projections – Toronto Blue Jays

After having typically appeared in the hallowed pages of Baseball Think Factory, Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections have now been released at FanGraphs for more than half a decade. The exercise continues this offseason. Below are the projections for the Toronto Blue Jays.

Batters

This is a bit awkward, as the most interesting Blue Jays batters essentially sit in the Bench and Prospects section. Probably the starkest difference between ZiPS and Steamer comes in the form of Lourdes Gurriel, Jr., who has such an unhappy projection from ZiPS that I went back and ran it a second time to make sure I hadn’t goofed anything. From his minor league hit data, ZiPS doesn’t think Gurriel will be able to maintain his minor-league BABIP. And the poor defensive projection isn’t just ZiPS overreacting to Gurriel’s fairly poor BIS and UZR defensive numbers; as rudimentary as even play-by-play minor league defensive measures are, Gurriel’s estimates come in below-average there as well.

The larger problem with the Blue Jay offense is that ZiPS essentially sees little upside remaining among the established players. Tulowitzki and Donaldson were both gone, and while they weren’t stars in 2018 by any stretch of the imagination (and Tulo didn’t even get in a game), they at least represented the possibility of star-level performance going into 2018. Smoak’s 2017 was probably his high-water mark and he’s now a designated hitter on the wrong side of 30, while Devon Travis is another year further away from when he looked like he could be a borderline star. Toronto was 10th in the AL in runs scored in 2018, but outside of the admittedly super-exciting addition of Vladimir Guerrero Jr., I just don’t see much of a hope for this unit doing much more than last year.

Pitchers

ZiPS isn’t completely down on Marcus Stroman and Aaron Sanchez, again seeing them as the most valuable pitchers on the staff, but you’d be a big dirty liar if you said you felt anywhere near as sunny about the pair as you did in any other preceding winter. Stroman’s command recovered somewhat after a miserable April and a six-week stint on the DL with shoulder fatigue, but his stuff looked as bland as boiled celery and the team shut him down after late-season blister issues. Given the trade rumors buzzing around Stroman, the right-hander may not even be in Toronto come April, and the possible in-house replacements are less than exciting. Sanchez and Stroman are also both groundballers on a team that doesn’t look to have particularly good infield defense.

The projected rotation just gets weaker from there. The Jays have been unable to effectively replace what Marco Estrada gave the team in 2015-2016 and now need to replace J.A. Happ’s performance as well. Realistically, Toronto needs to sign two mid-rotation starters in free agency to be in contention, something it doesn’t look like they’re planning to do. The original plan was for the team to contend while rebuilding, staying relevant until Vladito ‘n’ Friends made the majors, but this team looks more like the 2018 Orioles (coming into the season, that is) than it does even just a serious wild card contender.

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To prove that I’m not being facetious, the little depth chart graphic for the O’s pitching going into 2018 gave Baltimore more projected pitching wins than ZiPS is giving the Blue Jays now.

Bench and Prospects

Now we get to the fun part! There was once an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation that took place on a planet of people who had been made impotent by some magic god-computer-robot that ran the planet. So to continue to develop their future prospects, they kidnapped the children from the Enterprise to replace themselves. The Jays farm system looks a lot like that, with the children of Vladimir Guerrero, Craig Biggio, Dante Bichette, Griffin Conine, and Dwight Smith all prospects. And of the real kind, not the Craig Griffey variety. And that’s just off the top of my head; perhaps I’m forgetting that Logan Warmoth is actually related to Mothra or something. I’m not sure which prospect is Wesley Crusher.

A lot of the farm system’s ranking is due to Guerrero, and while the Blue Jays will get some good players out of this group, I don’t think it’s deep enough to solve most of the team’s long-term roster issues, as in the case of the Padres or Braves, who have high-end prospects but also a quantity of other interesting minor leaguers who Toronto can’t match.

I don’t remember what happened in that episode of Star Trek. I’ll guess the people on the planet blew up their home because they were tired of Wesley. Toronto’s not that bad yet. But I think we’re a few months from the team dropping the pretense of contending-while-rebuilding, and even more aggressively shopping their veterans.

One pedantic note for 2019: for the WAR graphic, I’m using FanGraphs’ depth chart playing time, not the playing time ZiPS spits out, so there will be occasional differences in WAR totals.

Ballpark graphic courtesy Eephus League. Depth charts constructed by way of those listed here at site.

Batters – Counting Stats
Player B Age PO G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS
Vladimir Guerrero Jr. R 20 3B 114 441 67 127 25 2 19 70 42 68 4 3
Randal Grichuk R 27 RF 141 476 70 116 31 3 29 78 33 157 4 2
Kevin Pillar R 30 CF 145 539 66 140 35 2 13 54 23 96 14 4
Justin Smoak B 32 1B 147 451 60 105 24 1 24 71 64 140 0 1
Danny Jansen R 24 C 111 382 51 93 22 1 10 47 40 75 4 1
Bo Bichette R 21 SS 131 549 70 138 35 5 14 66 38 131 20 9
Russell Martin R 36 C 94 312 44 66 12 0 12 38 49 95 1 3
Yangervis Solarte B 31 3B 122 452 51 115 25 1 15 64 31 67 1 2
Kevin Smith R 22 SS 121 509 59 115 26 2 17 62 27 157 16 5
Cavan Biggio L 24 2B 123 457 58 91 17 3 15 55 62 179 11 7
Santiago Espinal R 24 SS 125 490 53 120 19 3 7 39 30 89 9 5
Jonathan Davis R 27 CF 132 484 58 104 22 4 10 45 40 139 18 6
Kendrys Morales B 36 DH 125 434 50 108 19 0 20 68 41 103 1 1
Teoscar Hernandez R 26 LF 135 498 70 117 27 4 22 65 42 165 11 7
Billy McKinney L 24 RF 126 450 54 103 23 6 15 51 40 132 2 2
Rowdy Tellez L 24 1B 137 483 60 120 28 0 19 66 39 117 5 3
Reese McGuire L 24 C 102 344 38 78 16 2 8 36 29 87 3 3
Devon Travis R 28 2B 109 405 50 105 24 2 11 50 20 77 4 2
Dwight Smith Jr. L 26 LF 120 427 50 102 24 2 10 45 39 95 8 4
Brandon Drury R 26 3B 118 414 43 99 25 1 10 44 33 111 2 2
Lourdes Gurriel R 25 SS 121 464 54 115 22 1 14 58 23 101 6 5
Eric Sogard L 33 2B 95 261 29 59 12 1 2 18 28 51 5 2
Luke Maile R 28 C 78 239 24 48 12 1 4 24 20 69 1 0
Anthony Alford R 24 CF 112 394 44 80 17 1 7 33 33 143 14 7
Dalton Pompey B 26 RF 81 294 36 64 12 1 7 25 27 91 13 3
Jason Leblebijian R 28 3B 103 378 42 77 14 2 12 41 29 150 5 4
Gift Ngoepe B 29 SS 85 259 27 43 11 2 6 23 27 124 2 3
Darnell Sweeney B 28 2B 108 382 44 81 17 3 11 42 34 143 9 8
Joshua Palacios L 23 CF 121 505 52 114 21 4 7 46 35 151 10 9
Richard Urena L 23 SS 134 483 44 108 24 3 7 44 23 122 4 4
Connor Panas L 26 RF 106 380 40 75 13 2 12 39 25 129 3 3
Forrest Wall L 23 CF 124 500 59 114 19 5 10 46 41 150 25 13
Roemon Fields L 28 CF 111 407 39 87 10 3 2 24 26 110 25 12
Max Pentecost R 26 C 82 328 32 69 12 1 9 35 13 105 1 1
Juan Kelly L 24 1B 115 422 46 86 20 2 12 46 38 150 3 3
Ian Parmley L 29 RF 69 217 19 43 5 2 1 13 11 69 4 2
Andrew Guillotte R 26 LF 113 398 41 80 16 1 4 27 31 107 10 7

Batters – Rate Stats
Player BA OBP SLG OPS+ ISO BABIP RC/27 Def WAR No. 1 Comp
Vladimir Guerrero Jr. .288 .352 .483 123 .195 .305 6.4 -4 2.7 Bobby Doerr
Randal Grichuk .244 .300 .504 112 .261 .300 5.4 5 2.4 Keith Williams
Kevin Pillar .260 .295 .404 87 .145 .295 4.5 9 2.1 Garry Maddox
Justin Smoak .233 .329 .450 109 .217 .282 5.2 2 1.8 Roy Smalley
Danny Jansen .243 .332 .385 94 .141 .279 4.6 -2 1.6 Gregg Zaun
Bo Bichette .251 .302 .410 90 .158 .307 4.5 -3 1.5 Robin Yount
Russell Martin .212 .330 .365 89 .154 .263 4.0 1 1.4 Rick Dempsey
Yangervis Solarte .254 .306 .414 93 .159 .270 4.5 -2 1.0 David Bell
Kevin Smith .226 .270 .385 75 .159 .293 3.8 4 1.0 Tommy Whiteman
Cavan Biggio .199 .297 .348 74 .149 .289 3.4 7 1.0 Dan Cholowsky
Santiago Espinal .245 .292 .339 71 .094 .287 3.5 6 0.9 Ramon Martinez
Jonathan Davis .215 .288 .339 69 .124 .281 3.5 8 0.9 Matt Rundels
Kendrys Morales .249 .317 .431 100 .182 .283 4.9 0 0.9 Not That Frank Thomas
Teoscar Hernandez .235 .298 .438 96 .203 .305 4.5 0 0.9 Scott Lydy
Billy McKinney .229 .295 .407 88 .178 .290 4.2 5 0.8 Matt Bowser
Rowdy Tellez .248 .306 .424 95 .176 .291 4.6 2 0.8 Daryle Ward
Reese McGuire .227 .292 .355 74 .128 .281 3.5 2 0.7 Gregg Zaun
Devon Travis .259 .298 .410 89 .151 .297 4.4 -3 0.7 Jerry Adair
Dwight Smith Jr. .239 .304 .375 83 .136 .286 4.0 4 0.5 Ryan McGuire
Brandon Drury .239 .301 .377 82 .138 .304 4.0 -2 0.4 Jamie D’Antona
Lourdes Gurriel .248 .288 .390 81 .142 .289 3.9 -6 0.2 Rey Quinones
Eric Sogard .226 .304 .303 66 .077 .274 3.2 3 0.2 Dan Rohn
Luke Maile .201 .267 .310 56 .109 .265 2.8 3 0.1 Bill Dobrolsky
Anthony Alford .203 .275 .305 57 .102 .299 2.8 7 0.0 Julian Martinez
Dalton Pompey .218 .288 .337 69 .119 .291 3.6 3 0.0 Rashad Eldridge
Jason Leblebijian .204 .266 .347 64 .143 .301 3.0 2 -0.2 Seth Bynum
Gift Ngoepe .166 .249 .293 47 .127 .287 2.2 4 -0.3 Paul Hoover
Darnell Sweeney .212 .278 .359 71 .147 .307 3.2 -4 -0.5 Dan DeMent
Joshua Palacios .226 .280 .325 64 .099 .308 3.0 1 -0.6 Rod Myers
Richard Urena .224 .257 .329 57 .106 .285 2.9 1 -0.6 Gary Miller-Jones
Connor Panas .197 .260 .337 60 .139 .264 2.9 5 -0.7 Garrick Haltiwanger
Forrest Wall .228 .292 .346 72 .118 .306 3.5 -9 -0.7 Ethan Faggett
Roemon Fields .214 .265 .268 46 .054 .288 2.5 6 -0.7 Chad Durham
Max Pentecost .210 .243 .335 55 .125 .280 2.8 -4 -0.9 Johnny Cuevas
Juan Kelly .204 .272 .346 66 .142 .285 3.1 1 -1.0 Kevin Burns
Ian Parmley .198 .239 .253 34 .055 .286 2.0 4 -1.0 Jay Sitzman
Andrew Guillotte .201 .265 .276 48 .075 .265 2.4 7 -1.3 Doug Livingston

Pitchers – Counting Stats
Player T Age W L ERA G GS IP H ER HR BB SO
Marcus Stroman R 28 9 7 4.08 24 24 139.0 144 63 13 43 104
Aaron Sanchez R 26 6 6 4.17 24 24 127.3 124 59 11 60 98
Ryan Borucki L 25 9 10 4.81 28 28 151.7 166 81 21 53 108
Matt Shoemaker R 32 6 6 4.48 17 17 90.3 94 45 14 26 82
Trent Thornton R 25 8 9 4.80 25 22 123.7 139 66 21 28 96
Mike Hauschild R 29 7 8 4.73 22 21 110.3 120 58 13 47 84
Ken Giles R 28 2 2 3.49 63 0 59.3 55 23 6 16 70
Sean Reid-Foley R 23 10 12 4.92 29 29 142.7 144 78 22 67 137
Jacob Waguespack R 25 6 6 4.48 31 16 96.3 102 48 9 48 72
Ryan Tepera R 31 5 4 3.92 63 0 62.0 56 27 7 24 62
Marco Estrada R 35 8 10 4.99 26 26 140.7 146 78 23 49 107
David Paulino R 25 2 2 4.27 16 10 52.7 53 25 8 15 50
Tyler Clippard R 34 4 3 4.05 66 0 60.0 52 27 9 24 69
Clayton Richard L 35 7 8 4.89 25 22 130.7 152 71 18 42 86
T.J. Zeuch R 23 8 10 5.13 25 25 133.3 153 76 19 43 73
Tim Mayza L 27 4 4 4.21 54 0 62.0 58 29 7 31 65
Jake Petricka R 31 2 2 4.22 52 0 59.7 65 28 6 19 43
Patrick Murphy R 24 6 8 5.18 26 25 128.7 138 74 16 62 86
Sam Gaviglio R 29 6 8 5.26 28 26 137.0 155 80 26 36 101
Joe Biagini R 29 7 8 4.85 51 13 105.7 116 57 14 36 75
Danny Barnes R 29 4 4 4.42 55 0 57.0 56 28 8 20 55
Justin Shafer R 26 5 5 4.50 53 0 62.0 62 31 5 32 45
Sam Moll L 27 2 2 4.24 40 0 46.7 50 22 5 17 36
Zach Stewart R 32 4 5 5.23 19 14 82.7 96 48 13 30 51
Travis Bergen L 25 3 3 4.41 33 0 32.7 32 16 4 14 30
Elvis Luciano R 19 3 4 5.12 11 10 45.7 51 26 5 24 24
Conor Fisk R 27 3 4 4.61 47 1 70.3 75 36 9 25 49
Murphy Smith R 31 3 4 5.18 30 7 66.0 76 38 9 27 40
Rhiner Cruz R 32 2 2 4.78 29 0 32.0 30 17 3 22 33
Mark Leiter R 28 2 3 4.83 47 0 59.7 62 32 10 23 55
Hector Perez R 23 4 5 5.40 27 18 100.0 98 60 12 84 96
Thomas Pannone L 25 4 6 5.47 22 18 98.7 110 60 20 36 79
Danny Young L 25 1 2 4.79 42 0 56.3 60 30 6 26 37
Julian Merryweather R 27 5 7 5.50 18 16 86.7 103 53 16 27 62
Zach G. Jackson R 24 2 3 4.97 45 0 54.3 46 30 4 55 60
Corey Copping R 25 3 3 4.83 47 0 63.3 61 34 7 42 62
Shawn Morimando L 26 6 9 5.58 22 21 109.7 130 68 18 47 73
Matt Tracy L 30 3 4 5.62 18 12 64.0 75 40 11 28 42
Taylor Guerrieri R 26 3 4 5.56 28 12 79.3 92 49 14 31 51
Jake Fishman L 24 2 3 5.02 43 0 52.0 56 29 9 12 40
Craig Breslow L 38 1 2 5.49 39 0 41.0 45 25 6 22 31
Brandon Cumpton R 30 3 4 5.72 14 8 50.3 61 32 8 20 29
Yennsy Diaz R 22 6 8 5.70 25 24 118.3 130 75 18 67 85
Jon Harris R 25 7 11 5.74 26 26 131.7 158 84 25 43 80
David Garner R 26 2 3 6.19 29 0 36.3 40 25 7 25 33
Justin Dillon R 25 4 7 6.04 23 13 82.0 98 55 16 35 45
Luis Santos R 28 4 7 6.10 32 12 87.0 100 59 20 35 74

Pitchers – Rate Stats
Player TBF K/9 BB/9 HR/9 BABIP ERA+ ERA- FIP WAR No. 1 Comp
Marcus Stroman 596 6.73 2.78 0.84 .303 105 95 3.86 2.1 Willard Nixon
Aaron Sanchez 560 6.93 4.24 0.78 .292 103 97 4.24 1.8 Blue Moon Odom
Ryan Borucki 670 6.41 3.15 1.25 .302 89 112 4.73 1.1 Thomas Biko
Matt Shoemaker 389 8.17 2.59 1.39 .304 96 105 4.35 1.0 Brian Lawrence
Trent Thornton 536 6.99 2.04 1.53 .307 89 112 4.65 0.9 Tim Kester
Mike Hauschild 497 6.85 3.83 1.06 .309 91 110 4.63 0.9 Don Schwall
Ken Giles 246 10.62 2.43 0.91 .320 119 84 2.96 0.9 Darren Holmes
Sean Reid-Foley 636 8.64 4.23 1.39 .303 87 115 4.79 0.9 Darin Blood
Jacob Waguespack 438 6.73 4.48 0.84 .307 93 108 4.55 0.8 Don Stanhouse
Ryan Tepera 267 9.00 3.48 1.02 .290 109 91 4.02 0.7 Tom Hume
Marco Estrada 608 6.85 3.14 1.47 .288 86 116 4.84 0.7 Mike Moore
David Paulino 225 8.54 2.56 1.37 .302 100 100 4.25 0.7 Hector Fajardo
Tyler Clippard 254 10.35 3.60 1.35 .287 106 95 4.10 0.6 Steve Bedrosian
Clayton Richard 582 5.92 2.89 1.24 .312 85 118 4.73 0.6 Mark Redman
T.J. Zeuch 592 4.93 2.90 1.28 .298 84 120 5.03 0.5 Jason Karnuth
Tim Mayza 274 9.44 4.50 1.02 .304 102 98 4.17 0.5 Brian Snyder
Jake Petricka 261 6.49 2.87 0.91 .311 101 99 4.12 0.4 Frank Linzy
Patrick Murphy 584 6.02 4.34 1.12 .296 83 121 5.06 0.4 Scott Holman
Sam Gaviglio 597 6.64 2.36 1.71 .301 82 123 5.06 0.3 Clay Condrey
Joe Biagini 465 6.39 3.07 1.19 .304 86 117 4.59 0.3 Tommie Sisk
Danny Barnes 245 8.68 3.16 1.26 .300 97 103 4.20 0.3 Guillermo Mota
Justin Shafer 279 6.53 4.65 0.73 .295 95 105 4.49 0.3 Hal Reniff
Sam Moll 205 6.94 3.28 0.96 .310 98 102 4.22 0.3 Jim Crawford
Zach Stewart 372 5.55 3.27 1.42 .304 82 122 5.23 0.2 Dick Fowler
Travis Bergen 144 8.27 3.86 1.10 .298 97 103 4.37 0.2 Chris Marchok
Elvis Luciano 213 4.73 4.73 0.99 .297 84 119 5.43 0.2 Chris Zachary
Conor Fisk 309 6.27 3.20 1.15 .297 90 111 4.66 0.2 Mike Proly
Murphy Smith 300 5.45 3.68 1.23 .305 83 121 5.12 0.1 Karl Drews
Rhiner Cruz 148 9.28 6.19 0.84 .307 90 112 4.56 0.0 Moe Burtschy
Mark Leiter 264 8.30 3.47 1.51 .302 89 113 4.84 0.0 Kirk Bullinger
Hector Perez 481 8.64 7.56 1.08 .304 79 126 5.49 0.0 John D’Acquisto
Thomas Pannone 441 7.21 3.28 1.82 .300 78 128 5.46 0.0 Dale Polley
Danny Young 254 5.91 4.15 0.96 .297 87 115 4.77 0.0 Mike Cosgrove
Julian Merryweather 388 6.44 2.80 1.66 .313 78 128 5.23 0.0 Mark Johnson
Zach G. Jackson 263 9.94 9.11 0.66 .298 86 116 5.10 -0.1 Joe Hudson
Corey Copping 293 8.81 5.97 0.99 .303 86 116 4.81 -0.1 Marc Pisciotta
Shawn Morimando 503 5.99 3.86 1.48 .312 77 130 5.40 -0.1 Rich Rundles
Matt Tracy 293 5.91 3.94 1.55 .306 76 131 5.53 -0.1 Roger Deago
Taylor Guerrieri 360 5.79 3.52 1.59 .301 77 130 5.52 -0.2 Eric Stone
Jake Fishman 223 6.92 2.08 1.56 .296 83 121 4.73 -0.2 Roberto Rivera
Craig Breslow 189 6.80 4.83 1.32 .305 78 128 5.30 -0.3 Dave Giusti
Brandon Cumpton 231 5.19 3.58 1.43 .310 73 138 5.43 -0.3 Bennie Daniels
Yennsy Diaz 551 6.46 5.10 1.37 .300 75 133 5.59 -0.3 Brett Laxton
Jon Harris 593 5.47 2.94 1.71 .304 75 134 5.57 -0.4 Jon Asahina
David Garner 174 8.17 6.19 1.73 .311 67 149 6.15 -0.6 Rick Greene
Justin Dillon 377 4.94 3.84 1.76 .297 71 141 6.05 -0.6 Julien Tucker
Luis Santos 394 7.66 3.62 2.07 .307 70 142 5.78 -0.7 Wes Wilkerson

Disclaimer: ZiPS projections are computer-based projections of performance. Performances have not been allocated to predicted playing time in the majors — many of the players listed above are unlikely to play in the majors at all in 2019. ZiPS is projecting equivalent production — a .240 ZiPS projection may end up being .280 in AAA or .300 in AA, for example. Whether or not a player will play is one of many non-statistical factors one has to take into account when predicting the future.

Players are listed with their most recent teams, unless I have made a mistake. This is very possible, as a lot of minor-league signings go generally unreported in the offseason.

ZiPS’ projections are based on the American League having a 4.29 ERA and the National League having a 4.15 ERA.

Players who are expected to be out due to injury are still projected. More information is always better than less information, and a computer isn’t the tool that should project the injury status of, for example, a pitcher who has had Tommy John surgery.

Both hitters and pitchers are ranked by projected zWAR — which is to say, WAR values as calculated by me, Dan Szymborski, whose surname is spelled with a z. WAR values might differ slightly from those which appear in full release of ZiPS. Finally, I will advise anyone against — and might karate chop anyone guilty of — merely adding up WAR totals on a depth chart to produce projected team WAR.





Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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Twitchy
7 years ago

Why are all the Jays catchers of the future compared to Gregg Zaun 🙁 ?

SpiggyMember since 2020
7 years ago

Two different Gregg Zaun comps? Oh dear.

Connor Grey
7 years ago

Definitely taking the over on Vlad Jr.’s projection

Baron Samedi
7 years ago

Yes, but what you fail to consider is that, in 2019, it is good to be bad. Go Jays!

How Yall Doin
7 years ago

Kendrys Morales comp: Not That Frank Thomas. Checks out

Jays upon my feet
7 years ago

In regards to Gurriel, I wonder if the 2017 minor league performance (coming off a calendar year off from competitive baseball) is causing a bit of noise in the projection.

rhswanzey
7 years ago

Steamer and ZiPS are far apart on Gurriel. Steamer sees 50 XBH and .266/.301/.428 en route to 2.1 WAR.

Jays upon my feet
7 years ago
Reply to  rhswanzey

Yep. A stark contrast. I’m not sure the weighting of prior minor league performance, and what kind of influence ’17 has on each respective projection system, but I imagine its a contributing factor to the difference.

rhswanzey
7 years ago

The guy I think the systems are underweighting is Drury, who’s been around a while but is only entering his age 26 season. His 2018 was very weird, in between migraines and a previously undiagnosed broken hand on his way to Toronto (ironic, in that the Yankees appeared to be caught off guard by his migraine issues, and Toronto was caught off guard by the hand). There’s clearly some future injury risk here, but at the same time, Drury returned to rake in AAA where he languished behind Andujar and Torreys for much of the year, and his previous baseline was 1000 PA at about .325 OBP/.455 SLG. But because his MLB sample was so bad in very limited time last year, both ZiPS and Steamer have downgraded his baseline to a very low .600s player, which isn’t a good MLB player if he can’t play short, or can’t provide above average D at 2B or 3B. The risk here to me is that the migraines are ongoing and he can’t regain vision at the plate. If a long offseason has helped him address the issue, I’m very comfortably over on the projected batting line. I think he’s a 1.5 WAR player with the talent for a 3 win season among his upcoming age 26-28 years.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  rhswanzey

I think the optimism around Drury is mostly that “smart front offices keep trading for him; they know what they are doing; therefore, he must have untapped upside.” I don’t know where this is coming from. I liked the deal for the Yankees because he could approximate a starter at either 2B or 3B for really cheap, but he doesn’t have a track record of power, low levels of strikeouts, getting on base, defense, or baserunning, nor is he thought of as “toolsy.” And he makes no sense for the Blue Jays, where he is definitely not the future, and who have a bunch of interesting players at 2B and 3B who are likely ready at some point in 2019. The best case scenario for the Blue Jays is that they play him, he starts out hot, and they trade him for something useful mid-season before he reverts back to being a guy who approximates a starter at 2B or 3B.

shoewizardMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  rhswanzey

wOBA vs. xwOBA 2016-2018

Year/wOBA/xwOBA
2016/.335/.314
2017/.325/.317
2018/.237/.313

Steamer projects .244/.307/.390 – .697 OPS, .303 wOBA & 90 wRC+

ZIPS projects .239/.301/.377- .678 OPS & 82 OPS+

Thats not a very big difference actually.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago

I’m very much on team-why-are-the-Blue-Jays-trying-to-win-now-train, but it’s pretty obvious that this team is going to be a whole heck of a lot better in 2020 than in 2019. 2020 is the year that Vlad Jr and Bichette (and Biggio) will be around for the whole year. Between that and hopefully something from Alford and Jansen, they have a real shot to have a good position player core at that point.

The problem is that the pitching is nowhere near as deep and at the lower levels. Reid-Foley is probably ready now, and Zeuch will probably be ready for a full year in 2020, but Pearson has pitched less than 2 innings above A-short, and Hector Perez has reliever written all over him. And since they’re pitchers, most of them are going to fail/destroy their arms anyway.

It’s hard to escape the conclusion that they really missed the boat by waiting on trading Donaldson, by swapping Happ for low-end MLB talent, not trading Pillar and Smoak (it may not be too late for them on this one), by getting back Giles as the major return for Osuna (of course, that may be literally the only deal they had! but it still doesn’t make a lot of sense that they held him that long). This is a team that should be selling as much as they can–Pillar and Grichuk and Smoak sooner rather than later, and Stroman/Sanchez/Drury/Giles/Martin if they ever rebuild any value. The team should belong to guys like Tellez, McKinney, Alford, and Hernandez, because they need to see if they’re any good. And frankly, I’m not sure that the Pillar/Grichuk/Smoak types that much better than them, anyway.

FrodoBeck
7 years ago

That pitching staff is pretty abysmal. You can maybe squint and see a couple guys overachieve these projections (Stroman to me is one) but man. Not great

rlaurie08
7 years ago
Reply to  FrodoBeck

I agree that it is abysmal.

That being said, Borucki is projected for 1.1WAR after generating 1.7 in a half a season last year so you don’t need to squint that hard. Any of the young guys has a chance to break out, their projections are all pretty dire so the bar is not high. I’m sure with the blister contagion we should see several of the young guys get a shot and one will end up sticking because of stronger than projected performance.

TheGarrettCooperFanClub
7 years ago
Reply to  FrodoBeck

i like borucki a lot personally, but this projection didnt help my enthusiasm

mlucey
7 years ago

His comp is a guy that peaked in AA ball in the early 80’s. Are we using single A MLE’s from the early 80’s?

Jays upon my feet
7 years ago

Both Zips and Steamer have his HR/9 rate inflated dramatically when compared to his historical performance. 1.29 and 1.25, respectively for a guy who produced a 0.65 HR/9 in 97 MLB innings in 2018, and did not allow over 0.70 in any of his full stops in the minors. A career 0.58 HR/9 FWIW. I’ll take the over for his WAR projection.

Compton
7 years ago

Jeff Conine is the son, Griffin Conine is the father.

Gregg Zaun the holy spirit?

CheeseballMember since 2016
7 years ago

Robin Yount as a top comp for Bo Bichette? That’s pretty encouraging! Too bad Bichette can’t grow a bad-ass moustache yet.

Spitball McPhee
7 years ago

As a Jays fan….

YUCKKKKKK I’ma sleep for 2 seasons

Jays upon my feet
7 years ago

I wouldn’t sleep through 2020…frankly, from June 2019 onward it will be, at the very least, entertaining.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
7 years ago

I’m kinda disappointed Guerriero’s comp is “only” Bobby Doerr instead of Honus Wagner or somebody.

mlucey
7 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Why not Babe Ruth? We must have AAA data on him?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Dick Allen? Miguel Cabrera? Harmon Killebrew? Frank Robinson? Let’s not get carried away with the idea that Vlad Jr’s gonna play shortstop… 🙂

Keyser Soze
7 years ago

I understand these projections are intended to provide some guidance for what to expect in the coming season, but it is important to take them with a huge grain of salt. Not only are there likely more changes to come before the season starts for many teams but there is also no way to be certain of what players will do. Baseball proves this every season.

At the beginning of last season everyone was saying over and over the Jays were a team with no power, even Blue Jays broadcasters and others that cover Toronto sports. Then the Jays finished third in the AL in HRs (fifth in MLB) and fourth in the AL in ISO (again fifth in MLB). All without a healthy Donaldson or Tulo in the lineup.

The Jays were a top ten team in MLB by wRC+ in the second half, when they were playing most of the guys they will use this coming season. This is before the introduction of Vlad Jr. While there are questions about the starting pitching those are mainly about health, which applies to pretty much every team if you were paying attention last season.

There’s a pretty good chance what people think they are seeing from the roster now is not what will actually transpire on the field. The team has a variety of new coaches, an infusion of young talent that is developing and some proven contributors to build around. Shame they couldn’t convince Happ to return but it isn’t the end of the world.

The biggest area of improvement to look for from the Jays this season will be defense; as Dan rightly notes in his comments above it was a huge problem last season. The good news is that is an area the Jays can turn around quickly, and if they do it will have a huge beneficial impact on their pitching.

Hernandez has apparently been working on his defense during the offseason and we’ll see if Gurriel was impacted by adjusting to playing so many games on turf for the first time. Pillar and Grichuk are fine in the outfield, Jansen will be a solid catcher. Smoak is a better defensive 1B than he is given credit for and the Jays will find a solid 2B from Travis/Drury. Vlad Jr is expected to be ok at third, we’ll see if that’s true but his bat is easily valuable enough to deal with some bumps. Shame they couldn’t keep Diaz but Thornton gives them another option in a key area of need.

It is clearly a brutal division again this season but I’ll take the over on the Jays, Dan. They should be able to handle the weaker matchups in the Central and West and might hold their own against the East better than people expect. It will be hard to do worse than they did against the big three divisional opponents last season. Not missing their three best pitchers for half of the season and improved defense will help close the gap.

A’s look to take a step back as do the Mariners, even the Indians are selling. The Angels haven’t impressed so far and the Twins look middle of the road again. As it stands at this moment – more changes are coming – the key opponent for the Jays in the second wild card is the Rays. They have to improve their game against that team and new coaching/improved defense will be the key. Meanwhile the Rays will have the same hurdle as the Jays in their divisional opponents.

Will be fun to watch, especially once Vlad joins the lineup.

adrock75Member since 2018
7 years ago
Reply to  Keyser Soze

I quite enjoyed this post, even though I find it very difficult to believe the Blue Jays will be anything other than dire this season. It’s nice to have some reasonably articulated reasons for optimism, even if I don’t share the positive outlook.

Keyser Soze
7 years ago
Reply to  adrock75

Look at it this way, the Jays had pretty much everything you can imagine stacked against them last season – three of the toughest teams in baseball in their division, two of their best starters are injured and not in prime shape even when they pitched, their one consistent starter got traded away, their stud closer was unexpectedly suspended for almost the whole first half and later traded, the all star third baseman never got healthy and they ended up trading a bunch of other valuable contributors and basically played a roster of mostly rookies in the second half with a merry-go-round of rotating players in the infield. No shocker their defense suffered, and on top of that teams like the As and Mariners pop up as surprise contenders.

Even with all of that crap happening in one season the Jays still finished with 73 wins. They probably won’t see the same level of turnover and inconsistent lineups this season, those rookies gained some valuable experience and they add a very significant bat to the lineup early in the season. I’d argue the rebuild happened last year and this season we start to see the benefits. Might not work out to a playoff spot, particularly if key starters like Stroman and Sanchez don’t bounce back, but otherwise I suspect they are better than people are giving them credit for. Which is fine, that’s what makes baseball fun to watch.

Slappytheclown
7 years ago

I’m all in on Danny Jansen, that projection looks really light overall. I’m more of a Ted Simmons comp for him batting wise. I don’t think defensively he holds a candle to Ted but still…it’s better than Greg Zaun. Tellez is interesting from a fantasy area only, I know that BB/K rate in 100 or so ABs looks bad but it was much different in AAA.

Not much pitching though on this team, but I suppose you never know!

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  Slappytheclown

FWIW, Steamer projects him for about 2 wins next year in about 350 PAs. Logically, that’s probably pretty optimistic, but still closer to what he’ll do than Greg Zaun. He’s likely a catcher who is an above-average hitter for the league and an average defender at his position. And he doesn’t have to be too much better than the steamer projection this year to be an all-star.