2021 ZiPS Projections: Baltimore Orioles

After having typically appeared in the hallowed pages of Baseball Think Factory, Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections have now been released at FanGraphs for nine years. The exercise continues this offseason. Below are the projections for the Baltimore Orioles.

Batters

The 2020 Orioles were hard not to like. There was no reason to think they would be competitive, yet they hung around the edges of the playoff race until a 5–14 finish dropped them out of contention. I won’t lie: It was somewhat satisfying to this Baltimore native to watch the O’s beat out the Mookie Betts-less Red Sox for fourth in the AL East and take their first trip out of the basement since 2016.

It’s doubtful, though, that 2020’s surprising run was the leading edge of something bigger. Anthony Santander’s .261/.315/.575 campaign may have been enough to elevate him over the rest of the team’s deep stable of Quad-A sluggers, but a lot of the winning was due to good years from players like José Iglesias and Tommy Milone, who were never going to be part of the core going forward. What is encouraging is that unlike the Phillies of several years ago, the front office didn’t learn the wrong lesson from the team’s ephemeral success, resisting any July attempt to stockpile random veterans.

The makings of a competent offense are present more so than in recent offseasons, with much fewer negative WAR projections. The larger problem is that there’s just not a lot of star talent in this lineup. Adley Rutschman is the team’s best chance to swim against that current in the short-term, and there’s a great deal of potential remaining in Ryan Mountcastle‘s bat, but other prospects like Heston Kjerstad, Gunnar Henderson, Jordan Westburg, and Terrin Vavra are going to take a little longer. And as great a story as Trey Mancini’s comeback from colon cancer is, by the time the O’s are ready to compete for real in normal seasons, he’s likely going to be in another uniform.

Santander and Austin Hays form two-thirds of a competent outfield, with the mess in left still to sort out. Parting with fringe yet useful players like Renato Núñez and Dwight Smith Jr. is unfortunate, but the O’s need to be looking at higher-upside players such as Yusniel Diaz. Don’t get too excited about him getting Dwight Evans as his top offensive comp — Dewey was a late bloomer — but there’s still potential there, even if it was disappointing that he didn’t find his way onto the 2020 roster.

The low number next to the first basemen on the graphic is largely due to the presence of Chris Davis, whose presence on the roster is getting harder to explain. There’s little justification for him ever getting another plate appearance in Baltimore: His bat isn’t coming back any more than the pit beef sandwich I once lost in the Patapsco River when I slipped on a water taxi.

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Hanser Alberto, who wasn’t tendered a contract, was no more likely to contribute to the next good Baltimore team than Nuñez was, but the competent second baseman with a game built mainly around contact is a rarer breed than in the old days, and it was fun to have a little variety. You can’t put Old Bay on everything. I’m hoping the O’s give Ramón Urías, another underdog middle infielder, a similar chance to succeed.

Pitchers

Alex Cobb’s splitter was nasty for the first time in years, and it was enough to give him his best projection in years. No, he’s still not the pitcher that he was with the Rays, but it would be nice to see him put together a few normal, healthy seasons, even if it mainly makes him trade bait. Tanner Scott was terrific last season, and he’s one of two current pitchers with a notably bimodal distribution to his projections (the other is Michael Kopech). In layman’s terms, the computer saw him as having a higher chance either of stardom or being a bust than being just a normal, middling player. If Scott can keep the walk rate in the fours instead of the sixes, as he did in 2020, the former becomes the more likely result. Trying him out as a starter is less crucial now with the O’s looking relatively deep in pitching prospects.

Speaking of those pitching prospects, the loss of the minor league season was a tough one for Baltimore’s farm system. The organization doesn’t have any elite hurlers in the high minors, but they have a plethora of interesting “wait-and-see” guys nearing the majors who lost an entire year of live baseball. We got to see a bit of Keegan Akin and Dean Kremer, but nothing from Zac Lowther, DL Hall, Michael Baumann, or Grayson Rodriguez, a blow for the team.

Whether it’s good news or not that Kevin Smith, acquired from the Mets for Miguel Castro, is projected as the best pitcher on the roster despite topping off at Double-A Binghamton is a philosophical question I’ll leave to you. I faced a mildly angry mob of Mets fans last year when I did not make an official projection for Smith, but ZiPS is a huge fan of his work so far. If he’s as good in Baltimore as the computer expects, the Castro trade will be a highlight of Mike Elias’ tenure.

ZiPS projects only Scott and Paul Fry to be better-than-average among the relief corps. One might actually consider this a good thing; the Orioles have no use for a top bullpen in 2021.

Batters – Standard
Player B Age PO PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS
Anthony Santander B 26 RF 572 536 70 143 35 3 26 92 28 103 3 4
Pat Valaika R 28 2B 433 408 64 110 18 2 21 56 21 104 1 4
Trey Mancini R 29 RF 527 481 64 133 25 3 24 77 36 119 1 0
Austin Hays R 25 CF 504 473 65 126 22 2 19 64 23 104 8 7
Ryan Mountcastle R 24 1B 524 490 61 141 24 2 21 82 26 118 1 1
Renato Nuñez R 27 DH 570 516 72 129 26 0 31 94 42 152 1 0
José Rondón R 27 SS 425 396 49 97 20 3 17 57 23 105 6 4
Ramón Urías R 27 2B 396 352 49 91 22 1 12 45 30 86 4 3
Hanser Alberto R 28 2B 572 544 69 155 28 2 10 53 14 60 5 2
Adley Rutschman B 23 C 594 536 68 123 29 0 16 70 46 126 6 0
Cedric Mullins B 26 CF 569 518 64 127 24 6 13 54 35 112 20 6
Rio Ruiz L 27 3B 523 474 59 112 24 2 17 71 44 118 2 3
Chance Sisco L 26 C 395 340 45 79 15 0 13 44 38 122 0 1
Yolmer Sánchez B 29 2B 524 470 59 120 23 6 7 45 41 100 8 6
Pedro Severino R 27 C 399 362 39 87 14 2 12 50 31 86 3 0
Martin Cervenka R 28 C 366 338 36 74 15 1 10 38 21 107 1 0
Austin Wynns R 30 C 355 325 38 79 11 0 8 32 23 66 0 0
DJ Stewart L 27 LF 474 407 58 92 19 1 20 67 53 123 7 4
Rylan Bannon R 25 3B 532 478 58 109 23 3 15 56 44 125 5 4
Brett Cumberland B 26 C 370 317 41 61 15 1 11 38 35 122 0 2
Greg Cullen L 24 2B 454 400 48 87 16 4 7 34 41 99 1 3
Nick Ciuffo L 26 C 329 305 31 68 16 1 8 35 20 87 1 1
Ryan McKenna R 24 CF 575 514 66 120 23 5 12 54 47 141 15 10
Mason McCoy R 26 SS 573 533 56 127 19 7 4 39 33 118 8 3
Andrew Velazquez B 26 CF 364 332 42 73 13 4 8 32 25 101 14 6
Bryan Holaday R 33 C 220 199 20 44 9 0 4 24 15 39 1 1
Mason Williams L 29 CF 447 414 46 104 14 4 10 40 27 91 6 7
Richie Martin Jr. R 26 SS 440 402 44 89 16 5 8 36 25 107 13 4
Terrin Vavra L 24 SS 374 325 42 75 14 2 6 28 41 78 11 6
Tyler Nevin R 24 1B 531 476 57 111 21 3 13 47 49 114 5 2
Stevie Wilkerson B 29 2B 380 349 39 81 17 1 9 36 22 104 4 4
Yusniel Diaz R 24 RF 458 414 53 101 19 5 14 54 41 108 3 8
Chris Shaw L 27 LF 523 483 61 118 24 2 23 77 31 153 1 1
Jesmuel Valentín B 27 SS 420 381 42 83 17 2 8 37 32 105 6 4
Taylor Davis R 31 C 367 328 35 78 14 1 6 30 30 57 0 1
Richard Ureña B 25 SS 522 488 45 114 25 4 7 44 23 120 2 2
Malquin Canelo R 26 SS 494 451 45 94 19 3 6 33 32 150 10 6
Mark Trumbo R 35 RF 404 378 47 89 16 0 20 58 24 102 1 0
Cadyn Grenier R 24 SS 374 337 35 59 15 3 7 30 30 141 4 3
Robert Neustrom L 24 RF 345 323 31 68 16 1 7 32 18 87 3 3
Ryne Ogren R 24 2B 365 334 31 64 11 1 4 22 23 95 4 1
Chris Davis L 35 1B 383 343 32 61 12 0 11 41 34 141 1 0
Zach Jarrett R 26 RF 453 425 42 87 15 2 9 39 21 151 3 3
Ryan Ripken L 27 1B 332 319 26 64 10 1 5 26 10 99 0 1

Batters – Advanced
Player BA OBP SLG OPS+ ISO BABIP RC/27 Def WAR No. 1 Comp
Anthony Santander .267 .308 .489 112 .222 .287 5.4 3 2.0 George Wright
Pat Valaika .270 .305 .478 109 .208 .314 5.2 1 1.8 Jeff Kent
Trey Mancini .277 .332 .491 120 .214 .322 6.1 -5 1.8 Rondell White
Austin Hays .266 .306 .442 100 .175 .306 4.8 3 1.8 Glenn Wilson
Ryan Mountcastle .288 .324 .473 114 .186 .342 5.8 1 1.7 Delmon Young
Renato Nuñez .250 .312 .481 112 .231 .294 5.4 0 1.7 Ryan Shealy
José Rondón .245 .288 .439 94 .194 .292 4.5 4 1.6 Chris Woodward
Ramón Urías .259 .332 .429 106 .170 .311 5.1 0 1.5 Jim Davenport
Hanser Alberto .285 .307 .399 91 .114 .306 4.6 4 1.5 Placido Polanco
Adley Rutschman .229 .291 .373 80 .144 .272 3.9 4 1.5 Mickey Tettleton
Cedric Mullins .245 .296 .390 85 .145 .290 4.3 5 1.3 Pat Watkins
Rio Ruiz .236 .301 .403 90 .167 .280 4.2 5 1.3 Fritzie Connally
Chance Sisco .232 .334 .391 97 .159 .322 4.5 -7 1.0 Jarrod Saltalamacchia
Yolmer Sánchez .255 .320 .374 89 .119 .311 4.3 0 0.9 Mickey Morandini
Pedro Severino .240 .304 .390 87 .149 .284 4.3 -3 0.8 Dan Wilson
Martin Cervenka .219 .266 .358 68 .139 .290 3.3 7 0.7 Alvin Colina
Austin Wynns .243 .295 .351 76 .108 .283 3.7 2 0.6 Juan Espino
DJ Stewart .226 .323 .425 102 .199 .273 4.8 -5 0.6 Pat Brady
Rylan Bannon .228 .298 .383 84 .155 .278 3.9 -1 0.5 Mike Bell
Brett Cumberland .192 .303 .350 78 .158 .272 3.4 -1 0.5 Chad Kreuter
Greg Cullen .218 .308 .330 75 .113 .272 3.4 2 0.4 Doug Saunders
Nick Ciuffo .223 .268 .361 69 .138 .286 3.3 3 0.4 Eric Helfand
Ryan McKenna .233 .304 .368 82 .134 .299 3.8 -2 0.3 Xavier Paul
Mason McCoy .238 .284 .323 65 .084 .299 3.3 6 0.3 Anderson Hernandez
Andrew Velazquez .220 .279 .355 71 .136 .291 3.5 4 0.3 Herm Winningham
Bryan Holaday .221 .283 .327 66 .106 .256 3.2 3 0.3 Chris Ashby
Mason Williams .251 .297 .377 82 .126 .300 3.8 0 0.2 Cory Sullivan
Richie Martin Jr. .221 .278 .346 69 .124 .282 3.5 1 0.2 Luis Bolivar
Terrin Vavra .231 .315 .342 80 .111 .286 3.7 -4 0.1 Sam Khalifa
Tyler Nevin .233 .308 .372 84 .139 .281 4.0 2 0.1 Kurt Bierek
Stevie Wilkerson .232 .286 .364 76 .132 .305 3.5 1 0.1 Ron Oester
Yusniel Diaz .244 .314 .415 97 .171 .298 4.3 -4 0.0 Dwight Evans
Chris Shaw .244 .296 .445 98 .201 .309 4.7 -8 0.0 Chris Wakeland
Jesmuel Valentín .218 .282 .336 68 .118 .280 3.2 -1 -0.2 Tony Trevino
Taylor Davis .238 .301 .341 75 .104 .272 3.6 -6 -0.2 Jerry Grote
Richard Ureña .234 .267 .344 65 .111 .296 3.2 1 -0.3 Don Sparks
Malquin Canelo .208 .264 .304 55 .095 .298 2.7 4 -0.5 Mario Ramirez
Mark Trumbo .235 .282 .437 92 .201 .270 4.4 -9 -0.6 Eddie Williams
Cadyn Grenier .175 .251 .300 50 .125 .275 2.4 2 -0.7 Omar Bramasco
Robert Neustrom .211 .253 .331 58 .121 .266 2.8 0 -1.3 Kelcey Mucker
Ryne Ogren .192 .255 .266 43 .075 .255 2.3 -1 -1.4 Gil Velazquez
Chris Davis .178 .256 .309 53 .131 .262 2.6 0 -1.6 Larry Biittner
Zach Jarrett .205 .249 .313 52 .108 .294 2.6 0 -2.0 Daniel Carte
Ryan Ripken .201 .229 .285 39 .085 .274 2.1 -1 -2.3 Selwyn Langaigne

Pitchers – Standard
Player T Age W L ERA G GS IP H ER HR BB SO FIP
Kevin Smith L 24 9 8 4.58 25 25 116.0 113 59 17 54 114 4.67
John Means L 28 9 10 4.90 28 25 136.0 143 74 26 31 106 4.92
Tanner Scott L 26 4 3 3.70 64 0 65.7 55 27 6 36 80 3.76
Keegan Akin L 26 6 7 5.00 23 21 99.0 103 55 20 40 96 5.23
Chandler Shepherd R 28 6 7 5.15 24 21 117.0 133 67 21 37 90 5.08
Cesar Valdez R 36 5 5 5.00 16 15 86.3 94 48 14 27 61 4.95
Paul Fry L 28 4 3 4.10 61 1 63.7 58 29 7 30 68 4.12
Alex Cobb R 33 7 8 5.27 21 21 114.3 128 67 22 32 80 5.23
Dillon Tate R 27 4 4 4.89 28 10 73.7 77 40 10 27 54 4.78
Jorge López R 28 6 6 5.08 34 15 106.3 111 60 18 40 90 4.99
Zac Lowther L 25 8 10 5.33 24 24 121.7 124 72 23 59 113 5.41
Rob Zastryzny L 29 4 4 5.18 23 14 90.3 99 52 16 37 76 5.19
Cole Sulser R 31 5 4 4.43 50 2 61.0 57 30 9 28 65 4.44
Hunter Harvey R 26 4 4 4.96 29 9 61.7 63 34 11 23 57 4.92
Ashton Goudeau R 28 4 4 5.07 21 11 71.0 76 40 13 24 55 5.19
Bruce Zimmermann L 26 5 6 5.40 20 19 100.0 110 60 19 43 82 5.48
Dean Kremer R 25 5 7 5.46 20 20 97.3 104 59 20 45 96 5.42
Thomas Eshelman R 27 5 7 5.45 26 19 119.0 137 72 25 32 81 5.48
Claudio Custodio R 30 4 4 5.00 31 4 63.0 67 35 9 25 46 4.91
Kohl Stewart R 26 6 8 5.51 26 20 111.0 125 68 18 49 72 5.48
Travis Lakins Sr. R 27 4 4 4.93 47 5 65.7 69 36 10 32 57 5.07
Wade LeBlanc L 36 4 5 5.54 18 13 91.0 102 56 19 25 65 5.32
Shawn Armstrong R 30 3 2 4.58 53 0 55.0 51 28 9 25 58 4.78
Fernando Abad L 35 3 3 4.57 49 0 45.3 47 23 8 10 40 4.44
Mac Sceroler R 26 4 5 5.65 21 17 86.0 93 54 17 38 67 5.69
Tyler Herb R 29 6 9 5.70 22 21 115.3 134 73 22 50 78 5.76
Mickey Jannis R 33 5 7 5.72 19 18 107.0 125 68 21 40 66 5.79
Brady Rodgers R 30 2 3 5.76 15 12 59.3 69 38 13 19 38 5.86
Branden Kline R 29 3 3 4.88 42 0 51.7 51 28 8 25 48 4.90
Asher Wojciechowski R 32 7 9 5.74 27 22 116.0 129 74 28 42 104 5.82
Marcos Diplán R 24 3 5 5.59 35 12 77.3 79 48 13 54 74 5.74
DL Hall L 22 3 4 5.83 18 16 63.3 63 41 11 48 60 6.01
Tyler Wells R 26 4 5 5.86 13 12 58.3 64 38 13 25 48 5.92
Zach Muckenhirn L 26 3 3 4.95 47 0 60.0 59 33 8 33 56 4.90
Ty Blach L 30 5 7 5.76 29 19 120.3 144 77 22 39 71 5.40
Michael Baumann R 25 7 9 5.85 25 23 112.3 119 73 22 58 94 5.79
Danny Barnes R 31 3 3 5.21 47 0 48.3 46 28 9 26 51 5.17
Isaac Mattson R 25 5 5 5.08 48 0 78.0 78 44 12 37 67 5.04
Grayson Rodriguez R 21 4 6 6.22 16 15 59.3 63 41 11 38 41 6.33
Tim Naughton R 25 3 4 5.33 50 0 52.3 51 31 8 34 52 5.30
Tyler Erwin L 26 3 4 5.43 43 0 53.0 57 32 9 24 42 5.33
Cody Sedlock R 26 3 5 6.19 21 16 80.0 89 55 16 48 61 6.24
Conner Greene R 26 5 8 6.23 32 17 108.3 116 75 19 80 77 6.45
Alexander Wells L 24 5 8 6.37 23 23 120.0 148 85 30 42 73 6.44

Pitchers – Advanced
Player K/9 BB/9 HR/9 BB% K% BABIP ERA+ ERA- WAR No. 1 Comp
Kevin Smith 8.8 4.2 1.3 10.5% 22.2% .298 97 103 1.3 Mike Miller
John Means 7.0 2.1 1.7 5.4% 18.3% .286 91 110 1.1 Fritz Peterson
Tanner Scott 11.0 4.9 0.8 12.5% 27.8% .302 120 83 0.8 Shane Rawley
Keegan Akin 8.7 3.6 1.8 9.1% 21.9% .300 89 112 0.7 Scott Sauerbeck
Chandler Shepherd 6.9 2.8 1.6 7.1% 17.4% .308 86 116 0.6 Scott Erickson
Cesar Valdez 6.4 2.8 1.5 7.2% 16.2% .295 89 112 0.6 Mel Harder
Paul Fry 9.6 4.2 1.0 10.7% 24.3% .300 109 92 0.5 Carmen Cali
Alex Cobb 6.3 2.5 1.7 6.4% 16.1% .294 84 118 0.5 Bill Lee
Dillon Tate 6.6 3.3 1.2 8.3% 16.7% .294 91 110 0.5 Tommie Sisk
Jorge López 7.6 3.4 1.5 8.5% 19.2% .296 88 114 0.5 Ed Klieman
Zac Lowther 8.4 4.4 1.7 10.8% 20.7% .294 84 120 0.5 Greg Kubes
Rob Zastryzny 7.6 3.7 1.6 9.1% 18.8% .306 86 116 0.4 Chad Zerbe
Cole Sulser 9.6 4.1 1.3 10.5% 24.4% .296 101 99 0.4 Tony Fiore
Hunter Harvey 8.3 3.4 1.6 8.5% 21.1% .295 90 111 0.4 John Urrea
Ashton Goudeau 7.0 3.0 1.6 7.7% 17.6% .292 88 114 0.3 Bill Swaggerty
Bruce Zimmermann 7.4 3.9 1.7 9.5% 18.1% .301 82 121 0.3 Jake Chapman
Dean Kremer 8.9 4.2 1.8 10.3% 21.9% .308 82 123 0.2 Clemente Nunez
Thomas Eshelman 6.1 2.4 1.9 6.1% 15.5% .296 82 122 0.2 Josh Towers
Claudio Custodio 6.6 3.6 1.3 9.0% 16.5% .296 90 111 0.2 Jim Todd
Kohl Stewart 5.8 4.0 1.5 9.7% 14.3% .298 81 124 0.2 Bill Gogolewski
Travis Lakins Sr. 7.8 4.4 1.4 10.8% 19.2% .304 90 111 0.2 Frank Reberger
Wade LeBlanc 6.4 2.5 1.9 6.3% 16.5% .292 80 124 0.1 Mickey Weston
Shawn Armstrong 9.5 4.1 1.5 10.4% 24.1% .290 97 103 0.1 Doug Sisk
Fernando Abad 7.9 2.0 1.6 5.2% 20.9% .295 98 103 0.1 Steve Mingori
Mac Sceroler 7.0 4.0 1.8 9.8% 17.3% .291 79 127 0.0 Troy Chestnut
Tyler Herb 6.1 3.9 1.7 9.5% 14.8% .302 78 128 0.0 Chris Beasley
Mickey Jannis 5.6 3.4 1.8 8.3% 13.7% .297 78 128 0.0 Charlie Robertson
Brady Rodgers 5.8 2.9 2.0 7.2% 14.4% .293 77 129 -0.1 Joe Mays
Branden Kline 8.4 4.4 1.4 10.9% 21.0% .295 91 110 -0.1 Gary Wagner
Asher Wojciechowski 8.1 3.3 2.2 8.1% 20.0% .300 78 129 -0.1 Jaime Navarro
Marcos Diplán 8.6 6.3 1.5 14.8% 20.3% .301 80 125 -0.1 Tim Meeks
DL Hall 8.5 6.8 1.6 15.9% 19.9% .292 76 131 -0.1 Todd James
Tyler Wells 7.4 3.9 2.0 9.5% 18.2% .293 76 132 -0.1 Preston Larrison
Zach Muckenhirn 8.4 5.0 1.2 12.1% 20.6% .298 90 111 -0.1 Philip Barzilla
Ty Blach 5.3 2.9 1.6 7.3% 13.2% .303 77 129 -0.2 Dave Otto
Michael Baumann 7.5 4.6 1.8 11.3% 18.3% .292 76 131 -0.2 Jeff Fulchino
Danny Barnes 9.5 4.8 1.7 12.1% 23.7% .289 85 117 -0.3 Craig McMurtry
Isaac Mattson 7.7 4.3 1.4 10.7% 19.3% .291 88 114 -0.3 Larry Bearnarth
Grayson Rodriguez 6.2 5.8 1.7 13.7% 14.7% .283 72 140 -0.3 Dave Proctor
Tim Naughton 8.9 5.8 1.4 14.1% 21.6% .299 84 120 -0.4 Lloyd Allen
Tyler Erwin 7.1 4.1 1.5 10.0% 17.6% .298 82 122 -0.4 Danny Zell
Cody Sedlock 6.9 5.4 1.8 12.8% 16.2% .297 72 139 -0.5 Rob Purvis
Conner Greene 6.4 6.6 1.6 15.4% 14.8% .288 71 140 -0.8 Charlie Zink
Alexander Wells 5.5 3.2 2.3 7.7% 13.3% .299 70 143 -0.9 Jason Cromer

Players are listed with their most recent teams wherever possible. This includes players who are unsigned, players who will miss 2021 due to injury, and players who were released in 2020. So yes, if you see Joe Schmoe, who quit baseball back in August to form a Finnish industrial death metal fourth-wave ska J-pop band, he’s still listed here intentionally.

Both hitters and pitchers are ranked by projected zWAR, which is to say, WAR values as calculated by me, Dan Szymborski, whose surname is spelled with a z. WAR values might differ slightly from those which appear in the full release of ZiPS. Finally, I will advise anyone against — and might karate chop anyone guilty of — merely adding up WAR totals on a depth chart to produce projected team WAR. ZiPS is assuming that the designated hitter will continue in force in 2021; if it does not, there will be widespread minor adjustments across the board come April.

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Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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bglick4
5 years ago

I can’t help but hear Harry Kalas when I read Mickey Morandini. Anyway, I like the Sanchez addition. 2021 will be a fun year.

Psychic... Powerless...
5 years ago
Reply to  bglick4

And I can’t help but hear Harry Caray calling him “the dandy little glove-man.”

marchandman34Member since 2020
5 years ago

Chip that is : )

Uncle SpikeMember since 2020
5 years ago

What does ZIPs like so much about Valaika? He’s projected for 1.8 wins over 433 PA. Calculated at 600 PAs, that 2.5 WAR. Steamer has him projected for 0.1 WAR. He did have a healthy 112 wRC+ last year but his previous major league experience is very uninspiring including a wRC+ of 9 and 34 in 2018 and 2019 respectively. Granted they’re SSSs but he doesn’t exactly have an impressive minor league resume either. Curious to know what ZIPs likes about him.

HowBoutDemOsMember since 2019
5 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Spike

And his top comp is Jeff Kent!

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  HowBoutDemOs

Jeff Kent didn’t really break out for a while, though.

kevinthecomic
5 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Spike

Didn’t Valaika retire and take an office or coaching job somewhere?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago

Dean Kremer and Keegan Akin are less good versions of Deivi Garcia, guys who I think would feel much more confident in if they pitched in a neutral or pitcher-friendly park. They’re all talented enough that they could be fine (Garcia probably will be) but when you give up that many fly balls you have to keep striking out a lot of batters to guard against the fly balls going out of the park. Guys like Framber Valdez and Brady Singer might not strike out as many guys, but the ground balls give you a lot more room for error.

NicklePickersMember since 2016
5 years ago

All in for the Trumbo Comeback

DBA455
5 years ago

The most compelling part of the Davis projection was getting me wondering how the hell Larry Biittner *also* stayed in the majors at least 8 years too long.

(This was after I figured out that Biittner was a real player and not just someone Dan came up with by holding down keys)

Mitchell MooreMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  DBA455

And Biittner wasn’t even tied to an albatross contract.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  DBA455

People talk about Mike Trout being his own comp but Chris Davis is way more likely than Trout to have bad matches. Chris Davis has put up -5.3 wins over his age 32-34 seasons, and in 929 PAs. They are the worst age 32-34 seasons that any position player has ever had, “beating” Ozzie Guillen by a full 2 wins. And Guillen had 400+ more PAs to do it.

The closest first baseman was Richie Sexson, who was only half as bad, and who was out of the league after two seasons and has no comp to match to Davis. Larry Biitner was about 1/4th as bad.

Chris Davis is historic in all the wrong ways. They should legitimately be trying him out as a reliever because I can’t imagine what else they would do with him.

DBA455
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yes – all the “Chris Davis is really bad” chatter makes it easy to lose sight of how incredibly, historically, impossibly bad he has been of late.

His 2020 prorates out to ~(8.0) fwar.

If that’s not enough to shock, consider that his 2018 season of ‘only’ (3.2) fwar was the worst across 10,000+ player seasons spanning almost nine decades.

Delightfully, his comp then becomes Jim Levey, “a Jewish Major League Baseball shortstop who played from 1930 to 1933 for the St. Louis Browns … He also was a halfback for the Pittsburgh Pirates of the National Football League.”

So maybe the Ravens need a halfback?
(“In 1934, he made nine attempts and gained 69 yards, averaging 7.7 yards per attempt.”)

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  DBA455

Yeah, I should have mentioned I limited it to post-war because I already had the filter set up on another tab. But the worst player since the 1930s is still pretty horrific. Levey’s career literally took place when alcohol was illegal.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  DBA455

I am now thinking of: “Who is the position player with the biggest fWAR gap between their best and worst seasons?” If you set a minimum of 500 PAs for the “worst” season, it’s really hard to find anyone worse than Davis’s 7.1 win to -3.2 season. Babe Ruth had a 15 win season but if he got 500 PAs in a year he never got below 5.2 wins. A similar pattern emerges across all of the guys with double-digit fWAR seasons (Ted Williams, Mickey Mantle, Joe Morgan, Willie Mays…Yaz had a not-so-good year near the end but even that was 1.5 wins.) If a guy had a down year, either it was because he didn’t play much or that he was so bad they pulled him.

Finally, I thought I got one: Ken Griffey Jr., who had a 9.7 win year and a -0.6 win year. Whoops, looks like that tied Davis. Reggie Jackson and Ron Santo beat them in spirit–they had a couple of negative win seasons that were just shy of 500 PAs, and if they had gotten another 50 PAs they would have beaten Griffey and Davis. I’m sure there are a few others like that.

The bottom line is that Chris Davis really is special.

Mahoney
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I’m old enough to remember Larry Biitner, and I actually felt sorry for him being Chris Davis’s comp.

Uncle SpikeMember since 2020
5 years ago

It’s a sad day when your best pitcher is a 40 FV prospect that has never pitched above AA. This has to be the worst rotation in baseball; and by a good margin.

bohknowsbmore
5 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Spike

Alternatively, ZIPS projecting Kevin Smith to be better than John Means (or Kremer/akin given what they showed last year) seems like a quirk of the system that should be assessed on a more qualitative basis after it spits out results.

bohknowsbmore
5 years ago
Reply to  bohknowsbmore

Not sure why this is being downvoted. I’m not claiming ZIPS is bad or “wrong,” but to say that Kevin Smith is the best pitcher in the rotation (which is indeed bad) doesn’t pass the smell test when it comes to interpreting results.

NATS FanMember since 2018
5 years ago

This is a bad team, but its not terrible. At least, not to my eyes. I see bright-ish spots in several places such as the defense, infield, Lf, and RF. When your trying to develop a bunch of young pitchers defense is more important than on a team with old veteran pitchers. Looking at the Orioles prospect list shows a bunch of pitching names, so a guy like Rio Ruiz is playable here, but not on a contender. Or at least it is justifiable to give him as much time as possible to figure out how to hit. He is actually not that far with the bat to be acceptable on a good team, so the wait might be worth it in the end. But if he does not develop his bat, he, at least, did not hurt your ability to develop pitching with his glove. Mountcastle looks like he should become a legit major league firstbasmen. Probably at least average, but likely better. The offensive projections of Valaika and Urias look very promising for middle infielders. Lastly, Hayes and Santander are both legit average players at two important spots. I have certainly seen worse teams over the years.

The pitching is mostly promise with little results, but at least the promise is there once you get beyond Cobb and Zimmermann.

Antonio BananasMember since 2016
5 years ago

Is Chris Davis the worst contract of all time?

NATS FanMember since 2018
5 years ago

It has to be in the discussion for sure!

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago

In a strict $/WAR framework it has to be in contention, since the number of wins he’s put up since signing it has been negative. You can’t say that about Miguel Cabrera (yet). Albert Pujols would have to be Chris Davis-level bad over 600 PAs to wipe out the 6.5 wins Pujols put up early in his Angels career.

The only contract that I can think of that might be worse on a S/WAR basis is Pablo Sandoval.

hurricanexyzMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Of course, if you could get Chris Davis $/WAR prices on an actual good player, it would be a steal!

HowBoutDemOsMember since 2019
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Davis probably wins at this point because he’s just so unfathomably bad. But the Ryan Howard contract was probably worse at the time it was signed. He was still two years away from free agency, if memory serves, and also had negative WAR over the life of the deal.

Jason BMember since 2017
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Has anyone looked back at the Hampton, Neagle, Dreifort contingent back in the early aughts?

keefer
5 years ago

Yes.

And thank you once again, Peter Angelos, for taking your hometown ball club with the proud history and running it like one of your low-low-budget ambulance-chasing satellite law offices.

The only thing worse than Chris Davis and his contract is Angelos’ tenure as owner.

Five playoff appearances in 28 years left a few good memories, but the other 23 years of awfulness and incompetence under Angelos are inexcusable. Thank the baseball gods he’s too decrepit now to know what baseball is and his kids have taken over. At least they seem to have the sense to hire a competent VP to run the on-field operation.

Sonny LMember since 2017
5 years ago
Reply to  keefer

Angelos pays guys that played well as Orioles. Loyalty, at least his personal definition, seems very important to how the org is run.

I remember signing a petition outside the Camden Yards gates for the club to resign Brady Anderson—and they did! Not only did they resign him after a completely unbelievable ‘breakout’ season he’s still there. Brady Anderson’s been in Baltimore so long he’s load bearing, when he leaves they’ll need to city to certify the stadium is still structurally sound. That’s what having good seasons and being a fan favorite gets you in Peter Angelos’s Orioles.

(Disclaimer ~ only applies to cult heroes; Cal and PA don’t see eye to eye so legit all-time greats are downplayed while I’m sure Mike Devereaux Day will be on the calendar again next summer).

The Chris Davis contract is money that could have been better spent, but I’m having a hard time reconciling killing the O’s for extending a player who played well with the climate around the rest of the league where 1.5 WAR FA are kicked to the curb.

eastmanMember since 2022
5 years ago
Reply to  Sonny L

Off topic, but this inspired me to look back at Brady Anderson’s page. He was a solid to good player for most of the 90s (sometimes I forget this) and although 1996 was his best year by WAR, he had 2 other >5 win seasons. I still wonder how he hit 50 hr that year and never come close to that before or after. After all, lots of players took/take “supplements” but I think a one year blip like that is pretty rare.

Sonny LMember since 2017
5 years ago
Reply to  eastman

He drank 8 gallons of water a day. At least that’s what he told a reporter who asked what changed in his workout routine.

12y me then started carrying a gallon jug around and refilling it constantly. Ball players should know the responsibility they have to all the dim children like me who take their word as gospel.

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
5 years ago

There’s another Ripken?

NATS FanMember since 2018
5 years ago

Yep, Billy’s nephew and Cals son!

I think the Orioles have already signed all the Ripken sperm for years going forward!

keefer
5 years ago

Ryan Ripken was drafted in 2012. Tells you everything you need to know.

Jolly Good Show
5 years ago

I suspect that they are waiting to see if the season is shortened again, so Davis’ wage is reduced, before releasing him. The Marlins got caught out last year, when they released Chen before the season was shortened. They lost millions as a result.

NickMember since 2020
5 years ago

If only Old Bay was a performance enhancer for drawing walks.

Runaway ToasterMember since 2016
5 years ago

“You can’t put Old Bay on everything.”

I have to disagree with you on that.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago

Depends on what you mean by “can’t”.

keefer
5 years ago

There are a few things. Like ice cream. I ain’t puttin’ Old Bay on my ice cream.

On the other hand, it’s hard to come up with another exception.

ismailadiemeMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  keefer

Think the Buffalo Bleu Jays can put Frank’s Red Hot on everything?

bohknowsbmore
5 years ago

“but a lot of the winning was due to good years from players like José Iglesias and Tommy Milone”

Iglesias, sure, but no idea what you’re talking about on Milone. He pitched reasonably well for the Orioles, but the team was 2-4 in his six starts (he had a 1-4 record).

Josh
5 years ago

As a Baltimore native, you can be forgiven for a rooting interest, and though I know it’s not the point of this article I feel compelled to say again (as I did when FG spotlighted the O’s last season when they were actually competing for a playoff spot at one point): Baltimore sucks and the fact we even had to contemplate the phrase “2020 World Series Winning Orioles” is all the proof I will ever need that the 60-game season was a joke that never should have happened. It needlessly put everyone at risk (“oh but they volunteered!” is an argument I know someone will make, but that person doesn’t understand how viruses work — it ain’t on a volunteer basis!). Moreover, the “season” proved nothing and added nothing of value to baseball folklore and history. It was boring, sad, and offensive, all so some billionaires could milk “muh sports” fans during a deadly pandemic.

I’m glad FG survived and players got paid. Beyond that, there was nothing worthwhile in the 2020 season, and seeing Baltimore “compete” in such a perverse health experiment was not a joyful experience for me.

dl80Member since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Josh

It might be the only way Kershaw would ever get a ring, though.

Jason BMember since 2017
5 years ago
Reply to  Josh

I can’t imagine anyone anywhere at any time seriously contemplated “2020 World Series winning Orioles”.

Being on the fringes of playoff contention does not at all equate to WS Champs.

HowBoutDemOsMember since 2019
5 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

Not to mention the team that would have been favored in a full-length season to win it all in fact won it all, and in doing so beat out a team everyone recognized would be a contender. Aside from it being a short season, there was nothing particularly unusual about the final results. A few minor upsets in who made or didn’t make the playoffs, none of them radical departures from what you’d expect in any given season. Same with the big award winners. Personally, I think “baseball folklore and history” will look back on this past year as short but otherwise standard, its winners as valid as any other year’s.

tdouglas
5 years ago

Ramon Urias is interesting. He’s exactly the type of guy the Orioles should give 500 AB’s, especially after his excellent cup of coffee last season. In limited time, he hit the ball hard, and he plays up the middle. Teams are more willing than ever to play bad fielders in the infield if the bat works out.

Coincidentally, he would have been excellent insurance for the Cardinals, who are down one starting second baseman and don’t have much depth there behind Edman, who might be needed at third. Urias could be one of those guys who got stuck in traffic in AAA and went on to find success upon leaving the team, a la Luke Voit, Carson Kelly, and Randy Arozarena.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
5 years ago

I was hoping George Wright would be the guy with the Red Stockings but it isn’t. Pity.

keefer
5 years ago

If you take away Chris Davis’ 383 PA and give them to Mancini and Mountcastle, the Orioles would be gaining upwards of 3 wins. Given the price of a win on the free agent market in recent years, it seems eating Davis’ $21.1 M salary the next two years would translate to a reasonable signing.

Cutting him loose makes financial sense. I just can’t understand why Elias and company are keeping him around.

I also don’t understand why Davis himself wants to continue embarrassing himself for two more years. He’s earned enough to never have to work another day in his life (nor several of his future generations) and while $42M is a lot of cash, if he wanted to walk away surely the Orioles would be willing to agree to some reasonable severance deal ensuring he’d see a good chunk of that.

Homo sapiens are just utterly inscrutable beings.

bohknowsbmore
5 years ago
Reply to  keefer

Team saved a bunch of money on his deal due to COVID. Had they cut him before 2020, team would have owed him all of the remaining deal regardless. Elias likely waiting for potential adjustments to 2021.