2021 ZiPS Projections: Los Angeles Angels

After having typically appeared in the hallowed pages of Baseball Think Factory, Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections have now been released at FanGraphs for nine years. The exercise continues this offseason. Below are the projections for the Los Angeles Angels.

Batters

What makes the Angels a serious threat in any given season is fairly obvious: Mike Trout and Anthony Rendon. Trout starts just about every season as the MVP favorite — at least for now — and signing Rendon last winter brought in a second sorely needed superstar. A team that employs these two begins each year as top-tier contender… if they can just build a .500 team around the pair. That’s been the riddle the Halos have found themselves unable to solve; the last time the team had a winning record was 2015, and their last playoff appearance was 2014.

A decade of Trout without a single playoff win represents arguably some of the most wasted baseball potential in history. Sure, there have been examples of the Angels having terrible luck. Albert Pujols declined more quickly and more steeply than anyone imagined he would when he headed to the west coast for a mega-deal after the 2011 season. The problem is the team has frequently doubled-down on bad luck rather than mitigating its effects. Take Pujols. The Angels had little control over his walk off the proverbial cliff, but to keep playing him, hell or high water, was their decision. Nobody made the Angels essentially throw in the towel on having a major league quality first baseman for several years. Whether it’s Justin Upton or the parade of pitcher injuries, the Angels keep throwing good money after bad.

And the clock is ticking. Trout is no longer the young phenom; he’s approaching 30, and given the height of his peak, it’s likely that he’s already had his best season in the majors. The same goes for Rendon, who turns 31 next season.

Given all of that, you might think that I have an overwhelmingly negative view of the 2021 Angels. Actually, I’m relatively optimistic, albeit with an “if.” Even with the loss of Andrelton Simmons, there are some players here of real value. José Iglesias was legitimately excellent in 2020, even if you issue a stiff correction to his .400 BABIP. Jo Adell can’t possibly be worse than he was in last season, and he was a terrific prospect for very good reasons. The Angels have money they can choose to spend and if they can make real additions in left field and at first base — like ZiPS, I’m a Jared Walsh skeptic — they can challenge the A’s and Astros, two organizations that fall short of perfection.

Time is not on the side of the Angels. Now is when you can finally build a championship team around Mike Trout, not later. A winter when everyone else feels uncertain about the future is the best time to take the grandest risk for the highest upside.

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Pitchers

Trevor Bauer would be a nice fit for the Angels, but that’s because he’d be — at least on the mound — a nice fit for pretty much everyone. Well, maybe not the Astros.

Dylan Bundy got a boost playing in a much better ballpark for his talents, and I’m far more certain he’s a number two or three starter than I was after his last season with the Orioles. Andrew Heaney isn’t going to turn into Tom Glavine or anything, but he’s been relatively dependable for the Angels when healthy the last three seasons. ZiPS likes both Patrick Sandoval and Griffin Canning to be average or even slightly better-than-average in 2021, and both are young enough to remain interesting even without world-beating stuff. You may be giving me the stink-eye about the positive Sandoval projection right now, but like Corbin Burnes last year, the suspicious stares ought to be directed at the home run rate, not me!

The real X factor is what, if anything, they can get from Shohei Ohtani as a pitcher in 2021. He’s been better-than-expected offensively in the States, but his pitching has been inconsistent, and his flashes of brilliance have generally been cut short by injury. Ohtani still wants to be a two-way player, and it’s still in the Angels’ best interest to entertain the notion; upside that high is too tantalizing to pass up just to have a sure-thing designated hitter.

Ohtani’s top comp is a fun one. Scipio Spinks was one of the more interesting characters in the late 60s. Spinks was a highly regarded young pitcher for the Astros, from a family who named all of the firstborn sons after figures in Roman history. Traded to the Cardinals for Jerry Reuss, Spinks carried around a three-foot stuffed gorilla named Joe, which became his constant companion. As a rookie, Bob Gibson once stole its nose! Spinks was the second-best starting pitcher on the 1972 Cardinals, but running the bases — he was sometimes used as a pinch-runner, a job he enjoyed — he injured his knee in a home-plate collision with Johnny Bench. The following season, he injured his shoulder, and he was never the same again. Spinks later worked as a high school coach and was a mentor to Oil Can Boyd and Matt Clement. The top comp lists are full of interesting players like this, and if you see a name you don’t know, it’s fun to do some winter reading. But I digress.

The Angels rotation is not in particularly bad shape, though it could use some spice at the top and some depth at the bottom. As with the offense, the Angels have a real incentive to go as over-the-top as they can this season while they still have the opportunity.

ZiPS is equally as positive about the bullpen, seeing it somewhere around the 10th-best in the majors despite losses to free agency. The Angels won’t miss Noé Ramirez if Raisel Iglesias closes out 40 games for a division winner in 2021. While the closer role is likely taken care of with Iglesias, an extra arm or two ought to be welcomed. When the injuries start, it would be a nice change of pace if the Angels employed too many quality pitchers rather than too few.

Ballpark graphic courtesy Eephus League. Depth charts constructed by way of those listed here.

Batters – Standard
Player B Age PO PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS
Mike Trout R 29 CF 593 473 100 134 25 4 39 109 104 131 12 3
Anthony Rendon R 31 3B 598 508 81 143 33 2 26 94 74 89 3 1
Andrelton Simmons R 31 SS 535 498 62 136 26 2 7 53 31 53 10 2
José Iglesias R 31 SS 505 479 55 142 35 2 8 63 16 61 6 4
David Fletcher R 27 2B 665 612 79 171 33 4 8 52 44 73 9 4
Shohei Ohtani L 26 DH 454 405 62 103 21 2 21 78 45 131 14 3
Jared Walsh L 27 1B 495 450 65 110 24 3 26 84 34 142 0 0
Jo Adell R 22 RF 519 481 48 122 24 1 16 46 32 167 7 3
Max Stassi R 30 C 279 245 30 56 10 0 11 37 26 72 0 1
Taylor Ward R 27 3B 503 448 63 106 21 3 15 50 49 132 8 2
Franklin Barreto R 25 2B 408 374 55 83 16 3 18 57 25 142 9 2
Luis Rengifo B 24 2B 523 462 60 106 19 5 9 41 51 113 13 9
Justin Upton R 33 LF 464 410 59 91 17 0 23 75 43 139 4 3
Matt Thaiss L 26 3B 516 461 58 104 20 3 15 56 49 125 3 2
Kean Wong L 26 2B 545 503 57 126 22 3 9 48 32 121 8 5
Scott Schebler L 30 CF 396 355 43 79 16 1 13 48 31 95 2 3
Brandon Marsh L 23 CF 551 503 54 109 19 3 11 47 44 165 16 6
Anthony Bemboom L 31 C 226 199 23 39 6 1 6 18 19 57 0 2
Elliot Soto R 31 SS 359 326 36 73 13 4 3 23 27 82 4 3
Orlando Martinez L 23 CF 412 385 41 83 16 2 11 40 22 102 5 6
José Rojas L 28 2B 535 497 60 113 24 4 18 68 32 143 4 5
Dustin Peterson R 26 LF 444 416 44 97 20 1 12 52 23 115 2 1
Arismendy Alcántara B 29 LF 391 361 44 79 14 5 12 45 26 114 13 3
Leonardo Rivas B 23 SS 498 452 47 85 15 4 10 36 42 150 8 4
Michael Stefanic R 25 SS 468 433 43 95 14 0 4 29 22 68 6 6
Brennon Lund L 26 CF 520 476 52 106 19 4 8 43 33 139 11 4
Albert Pujols R 41 1B 453 419 39 95 18 0 15 72 26 66 1 0
Eduard Pinto L 26 LF 338 317 33 79 14 1 4 26 13 41 6 7
Gareth Morgan R 25 RF 388 361 39 59 9 1 19 51 24 187 4 3
Francisco Arcia L 31 C 286 267 23 55 8 0 4 23 10 64 1 2
Ibandel Isabel R 26 1B 442 407 49 75 10 1 24 77 29 226 0 1
Jahmai Jones R 23 2B 506 466 49 104 16 3 8 37 32 125 7 8
Jack Kruger R 26 C 438 410 38 86 14 1 6 31 23 105 3 3
Erick Salcedo B 28 SS 431 406 34 85 15 2 3 29 18 71 3 3
Ray-Patrick Didder R 26 SS 450 393 41 69 10 3 6 27 40 154 19 8
Victor Acosta R 25 LF 439 407 39 90 19 1 5 31 25 71 3 4
Luis Aviles Jr. R 26 SS 453 419 39 80 14 1 5 29 27 162 22 7
Izzy Wilson L 23 RF 388 352 35 60 11 4 9 28 32 154 13 6
Brendon Davis R 23 LF 466 424 41 82 16 2 7 35 33 134 1 3

Batters – Advanced
Player BA OBP SLG OPS+ ISO BABIP RC/27 Def WAR No. 1 Comp
Mike Trout .283 .420 .600 174 .317 .314 9.6 -2 6.7 Mickey Mantle
Anthony Rendon .281 .380 .508 140 .226 .298 7.3 3 4.9 Brooks Robinson
Andrelton Simmons .273 .318 .376 89 .102 .295 4.6 12 2.5 Buck Jordan
José Iglesias .296 .326 .428 104 .132 .327 5.3 5 2.5 Dick Groat
David Fletcher .279 .329 .386 95 .106 .307 4.8 5 2.2 Mark Loretta
Shohei Ohtani .254 .330 .472 115 .217 .324 5.9 0 1.6 John Briggs
Jared Walsh .244 .303 .484 110 .240 .298 5.2 1 1.3 Larry Sheets
Jo Adell .254 .306 .407 93 .154 .356 4.5 8 1.3 Jermaine Dye
Max Stassi .229 .312 .404 94 .176 .278 4.3 1 0.9 Kelly Stinnett
Taylor Ward .237 .316 .397 93 .161 .302 4.5 -4 0.9 Paul Runge
Franklin Barreto .222 .280 .425 89 .203 .304 4.3 0 0.8 Craig Counsell
Luis Rengifo .229 .312 .351 81 .121 .285 3.7 1 0.5 Ralph Milliard
Justin Upton .222 .304 .432 98 .210 .274 4.5 -3 0.4 Ernie Young
Matt Thaiss .226 .302 .380 85 .154 .277 4.0 -3 0.3 Joe Dillon
Kean Wong .250 .301 .360 80 .109 .314 3.9 -1 0.2 Hubie Brooks
Scott Schebler .223 .295 .383 84 .161 .267 3.8 -2 0.1 Ryan McGuire
Brandon Marsh .217 .281 .332 67 .115 .300 3.3 6 0.1 Mel Hall
Anthony Bemboom .196 .274 .327 63 .131 .243 2.8 2 0.0 Henry Blanco
Elliot Soto .224 .286 .316 65 .092 .290 3.1 2 -0.1 Tommy Murphy
Orlando Martinez .216 .257 .353 64 .138 .265 2.9 7 -0.1 Erold Andrus
José Rojas .227 .275 .400 81 .173 .283 3.7 -4 -0.2 Chris Truby
Dustin Peterson .233 .277 .373 75 .139 .294 3.6 3 -0.3 Bryan LaHair
Arismendy Alcántara .219 .272 .385 77 .166 .285 3.8 -3 -0.7 Lee Granger
Leonardo Rivas .188 .260 .305 54 .117 .257 2.6 2 -0.7 Andy Sheets
Michael Stefanic .219 .274 .279 52 .060 .252 2.5 2 -0.9 David Milstien
Brennon Lund .223 .279 .330 66 .107 .298 3.3 -4 -1.0 Elijah Bonaparte
Albert Pujols .227 .274 .377 75 .150 .237 3.6 -2 -1.0 Pete O’Brien
Eduard Pinto .249 .284 .338 69 .088 .276 3.2 -2 -1.1 Tim Leiper
Gareth Morgan .163 .219 .352 52 .188 .258 2.4 6 -1.2 Jordan Renz
Francisco Arcia .206 .250 .281 45 .075 .256 2.3 -3 -1.2 Charlie Greene
Ibandel Isabel .184 .247 .391 70 .206 .325 3.1 -1 -1.2 Aaron McNeal
Jahmai Jones .223 .275 .322 63 .099 .288 2.9 -4 -1.3 Frank Martinez
Jack Kruger .210 .258 .293 50 .083 .268 2.5 -4 -1.4 Scott Sandusky
Erick Salcedo .209 .243 .278 42 .069 .247 2.2 2 -1.4 Jerome Alviso
Ray-Patrick Didder .176 .272 .262 48 .087 .270 2.4 -4 -1.4 Brett King
Victor Acosta .221 .272 .310 59 .088 .257 2.8 2 -1.4 Lee Grimes
Luis Aviles Jr. .191 .242 .265 39 .074 .298 2.3 1 -1.6 Chris Moritz
Izzy Wilson .170 .243 .301 48 .131 .270 2.4 1 -1.7 Brian Martin
Brendon Davis .193 .258 .290 50 .097 .265 2.4 2 -2.0 Vince Holyfield

Pitchers – Standard
Player T Age W L ERA G GS IP H ER HR BB SO FIP
Andrew Heaney L 30 9 6 4.00 26 26 146.3 133 65 23 37 163 3.90
Dylan Bundy R 28 12 10 4.33 28 28 160.0 146 77 27 49 172 4.27
Patrick Sandoval L 24 9 8 4.37 31 27 129.7 121 63 19 51 134 4.31
Griffin Canning R 25 7 6 4.30 24 23 119.3 110 57 19 42 124 4.45
Raisel Iglesias R 31 8 4 3.29 61 0 63.0 51 23 8 21 79 3.42
Felix Peña R 31 5 4 4.44 29 11 95.3 91 47 16 34 101 4.47
Luiz Gohara L 24 5 5 4.66 26 20 102.3 95 53 19 39 116 4.62
Shohei Ohtani R 26 5 4 4.12 12 12 63.3 54 29 8 32 79 3.94
Packy Naughton L 25 10 10 5.03 28 28 146.7 160 82 24 43 108 4.88
Jhonathan Diaz L 24 8 8 4.94 25 25 120.3 124 66 15 60 89 4.99
Jake Thompson R 27 7 7 4.76 26 17 102.0 100 54 14 48 90 4.76
Ty Buttrey R 28 7 4 3.69 67 0 70.7 64 29 8 26 76 3.77
Julio Teheran R 30 9 9 5.12 29 29 144.0 135 82 30 65 131 5.59
Jake Faria R 27 7 6 4.89 36 15 103.0 100 56 18 48 102 5.01
Oliver Ortega R 24 7 7 5.12 28 22 109.0 106 62 15 67 100 5.14
Matt Andriese R 31 6 5 4.61 42 7 80.0 77 41 14 27 84 4.48
Hoby Milner L 30 2 1 3.66 52 0 51.7 46 21 6 17 56 3.74
Mike Mayers R 29 3 2 3.92 56 1 59.7 53 26 8 21 70 3.73
Cam Bedrosian R 29 3 2 3.93 53 3 52.7 48 23 7 20 53 4.09
Dillon Peters L 28 5 6 5.20 22 18 97.0 106 56 18 33 77 5.18
José Suarez L 23 4 5 5.20 21 17 88.3 94 51 16 37 79 5.27
Kyle Keller R 28 3 2 3.86 39 0 51.3 42 22 6 25 62 3.92
Jaime Barria R 24 7 8 5.37 27 22 124.0 133 74 28 33 106 5.30
Hansel Robles R 30 4 3 4.24 62 0 63.7 58 30 10 25 69 4.33
Gerardo Reyes R 28 4 4 4.43 55 0 63.0 55 31 8 34 74 4.29
Justin Anderson R 28 3 3 4.45 58 0 56.7 48 28 7 35 69 4.31
Keynan Middleton R 27 1 1 4.35 44 0 41.3 38 20 6 20 44 4.46
José Quijada L 25 3 3 4.53 47 0 51.7 44 26 7 32 62 4.63
JC Ramírez R 32 4 5 5.56 21 16 89.0 99 55 19 32 61 5.80
Brendan McCurry R 29 4 4 4.71 41 1 57.3 57 30 10 22 55 4.84
Michael Kohn R 35 3 2 4.50 25 0 24.0 21 12 3 14 25 4.60
Adrian De Horta R 26 1 2 5.57 16 11 53.3 53 33 11 31 58 5.60
Luke Bard R 30 4 3 4.83 39 1 54.0 53 29 11 20 54 5.16
Austin Warren R 25 5 5 4.74 37 0 57.0 53 30 8 34 58 4.92
Thomas Pannone L 27 5 7 5.58 33 15 98.3 101 61 23 40 93 5.73
Jacob Rhame R 28 3 3 4.83 46 0 50.3 49 27 10 18 55 4.77
Jake Reed R 28 3 3 5.06 42 1 64.0 63 36 10 32 63 4.88
Jose Alberto Rivera R 24 4 5 5.84 16 9 57.0 59 37 11 35 50 5.93
Neil Ramírez R 32 3 3 5.23 47 1 51.7 49 30 12 23 64 5.17
Zac Ryan R 27 3 3 5.08 39 0 56.7 52 32 8 40 60 5.23
Hector Yan L 22 3 4 6.07 21 16 72.7 72 49 13 49 62 6.03

Pitchers – Advanced
Player K/9 BB/9 HR/9 BB% K% BABIP ERA+ ERA- WAR No. 1 Comp
Andrew Heaney 10.0 2.3 1.4 6.1% 26.9% .292 112 89 2.6 Terry Mulholland
Dylan Bundy 9.7 2.8 1.5 7.3% 25.6% .285 104 96 2.3 Eric King
Patrick Sandoval 9.3 3.5 1.3 9.2% 24.1% .293 103 97 1.8 Jimmy Anderson
Griffin Canning 9.4 3.2 1.4 8.2% 24.3% .287 104 96 1.8 Joey Hamilton
Raisel Iglesias 11.3 3.0 1.1 8.1% 30.5% .289 137 73 1.3 Mike Maddux
Felix Peña 9.5 3.2 1.5 8.3% 24.6% .295 101 99 1.1 Julian Tavarez
Luiz Gohara 10.2 3.4 1.7 8.9% 26.4% .291 96 104 1.1 Steve Cooke
Shohei Ohtani 11.2 4.5 1.1 11.7% 28.8% .301 109 92 1.1 Scipio Spinks
Packy Naughton 6.6 2.6 1.5 6.7% 16.9% .298 89 112 1.0 Jeff Mutis
Jhonathan Diaz 6.7 4.5 1.1 11.0% 16.4% .293 91 110 1.0 Greg Kubes
Jake Thompson 7.9 4.2 1.2 10.6% 19.9% .292 94 106 1.0 Don Stanhouse
Ty Buttrey 9.7 3.3 1.0 8.6% 25.2% .299 122 82 1.0 Jerry Dipoto
Julio Teheran 8.2 4.1 1.9 10.3% 20.8% .265 88 114 0.9 Steve Renko
Jake Faria 8.9 4.2 1.6 10.5% 22.4% .291 92 109 0.7 Greg Booker
Oliver Ortega 8.3 5.5 1.2 13.5% 20.1% .294 88 114 0.7 Mike Torrez
Matt Andriese 9.5 3.0 1.6 7.9% 24.6% .294 97 103 0.7 Dennis Lamp
Hoby Milner 9.8 3.0 1.0 7.8% 25.6% .294 123 81 0.6 Steve Hamilton
Mike Mayers 10.6 3.2 1.2 8.4% 27.9% .300 114 87 0.6 Jerry Dipoto
Cam Bedrosian 9.1 3.4 1.2 9.0% 23.8% .289 114 88 0.6 Eddie Watt
Dillon Peters 7.1 3.1 1.7 7.7% 18.0% .298 86 116 0.5 Wade Blasingame
José Suarez 8.0 3.8 1.6 9.3% 19.8% .302 86 116 0.5 Ryan Spille
Kyle Keller 10.9 4.4 1.1 11.3% 28.1% .288 116 86 0.4 Mark Acre
Jaime Barria 7.7 2.4 2.0 6.2% 19.9% .290 84 120 0.4 Dave Eiland
Hansel Robles 9.8 3.5 1.4 9.2% 25.4% .289 106 94 0.4 Todd Williams
Gerardo Reyes 10.6 4.9 1.1 12.2% 26.6% .297 101 99 0.2 Roy Corcoran
Justin Anderson 11.0 5.6 1.1 13.9% 27.4% .295 101 99 0.2 Gabe DeHoyos
Keynan Middleton 9.6 4.4 1.3 11.1% 24.4% .294 103 97 0.2 Doug Sisk
José Quijada 10.8 5.6 1.2 13.8% 26.7% .291 99 101 0.2 Grant Jackson
JC Ramírez 6.2 3.2 1.9 8.1% 15.4% .287 81 124 0.1 Bennie Daniels
Brendan McCurry 8.6 3.5 1.6 8.8% 22.0% .294 95 105 0.1 Jose Santiago
Michael Kohn 9.4 5.3 1.1 13.2% 23.6% .286 100 100 0.1 Turk Lown
Adrian De Horta 9.8 5.2 1.9 12.7% 23.8% .298 81 124 0.1 Tim Byron
Luke Bard 9.0 3.3 1.8 8.5% 23.0% .288 93 108 0.0 Todd Erdos
Austin Warren 9.2 5.4 1.3 13.2% 22.6% .292 95 106 0.0 Joe Davenport
Thomas Pannone 8.5 3.7 2.1 9.2% 21.4% .286 80 124 0.0 Dean Hartgraves
Jacob Rhame 9.8 3.2 1.8 8.3% 25.3% .295 93 108 0.0 Daryl Irvine
Jake Reed 8.9 4.5 1.4 11.2% 22.0% .298 89 113 -0.1 Jose Segura
Jose Alberto Rivera 7.9 5.5 1.7 13.3% 18.9% .291 77 130 -0.1 Jerry Stephenson
Neil Ramírez 11.1 4.0 2.1 10.2% 28.3% .296 86 116 -0.2 Gregg Olson
Zac Ryan 9.5 6.4 1.3 15.3% 22.9% .293 88 113 -0.2 Jake Robbins
Hector Yan 7.7 6.1 1.6 14.5% 18.3% .281 74 135 -0.3 Chris Nabholz

Players are listed with their most recent teams wherever possible. This includes players who are unsigned, players who will miss 2021 due to injury, and players who were released in 2020. So yes, if you see Joe Schmoe, who quit baseball back in August to form a Finnish industrial death metal fourth-wave ska J-pop band, he’s still listed here intentionally.

Both hitters and pitchers are ranked by projected zWAR, which is to say, WAR values as calculated by me, Dan Szymborski, whose surname is spelled with a z. WAR values might differ slightly from those which appear in the full release of ZiPS. Finally, I will advise anyone against — and might karate chop anyone guilty of — merely adding up WAR totals on a depth chart to produce projected team WAR. ZiPS is assuming that the designated hitter will continue in force in 2021; if it does not, there will be widespread minor adjustments across the board come April.

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Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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Mahoney
5 years ago

When a 6.7 WAR projection feels like blasphemy, that’s when you know you’re talking about an all-time great.

MikeSMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

If he puts up 7.2 he passes Joe Dimaggio on the all time list for position players, but in about 350 fewer games. 8.7 catches George Brett – in 1300 (!) fewer games, or just about half Brett’s career.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

Mike Trout has 10 years left on his contract. If he puts up 6.7 this year, and then you just apply a standard 0.5-win penalty every year thereafter for the rest of his contract, I believe (if my math is right), he ties Eddie Collins at #11 for most fWAR among position players, at 120.5 wins (ahead of players like Mantle and Mike Schmidt).

I think that this is probably (and I’m not sure how much) conservative when it comes to Trout, but one fun thing about the standard 0.5-win penalty and 10 years on his contract is it makes mental math pretty easy to adjust what happens if he starts his decline a year later. So if he puts up 7.2 next year and then you apply that penalty you’re at an additional 5 wins. 7.7 gives you another 5 on top of that. Looks like a pretty tall order top Hank Aaron (#6), but it’s theoretically still possible. I’m afraid Willie Mays is out of reach though; with the standard 0.5 win deduction you have to think he bounces back to something like 2019 levels to top Hank Aaron at 136+ fWAR, but to 2018 levels to add 30 extra fWAR to top Mays.

ChrisMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

I was hoping that Trout’s comp would just be Mike Trout.

NATS FanMember since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  Chris

Its going to be a very long time before anyone gets a Mike Trout Comp. if ever!

D-WizMember since 2019
5 years ago

Two players in their primes on the same team comping to Mickey Mantle and Brooks Robinson is absurd. Seems like we say this every year, but I realllllly hope this is the year the Angels finally put together a serviceable roster around their stars!

SyndergaardengnomesMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  D-Wiz

Mickey Mantle and Brooks Robinson comps, and they likely can’t get to within 10 games of .500. That’s almost impressive.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago

This is the most convincing argument I’ve seen anyone mount for why a specific team should go sign Trevor Bauer this entire offseason. Well done. A Bauer-fronted rotation moves Sandoval to the guy the slot in when someone is hurt (since he has options and Barria doesn’t, not like it matters! guys will get hurt). Liam Hendriks does the same thing for the bullpen, turning Iglesias into a fireman, and letting them dump their worst guy with options as the guy-who-comes-up-when people are hurt.

JT Realmuto exists too, and would be an enormous upgrade for them. Can Ozuna still play left field? (Maybe, maybe not). There are a whole lot of lefty corner outfielders available too. And so many other teams are in cost-cutting mode; Carrasco might be available for relatively cheap. Could they get a guy who is a mega-thumper right now if they trade Adell for him? (until Dombrowski got hired by the Phillies yesterday, I would have suggested they try to get Harper, and they would not have even needed Adell to do it…but that’s likely not doable now).

Given that the Mets, Phillies (now with more Dombrowski), and Blue Jays also exist and are probably going to spend too, this isn’t all possible. Really, most of it is not possible. But some of it is. This column is the locker room speech to the Angels front office. Go forth!

Cave Dameron
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

If any team should give Bauer a 1 year/$40 million deal it’s the Angels.

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  Cave Dameron

Agreed, but the judges would have also accepted “whichever team wants to win the NL Central”

SucramRenrutMember since 2017
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I totally agree, I was actually surprised at how solid the team looked if you add Bauer and bump the rest down. Could also go R-L-R-L-R with Ohtani and Barria as spot/depth which would be interesting.

Domingo AyalaMember since 2024
5 years ago
Reply to  SucramRenrut

Is it beneficial to alternate lefty righty in the rotation?

Cave Dameron
5 years ago
Reply to  Domingo Ayala

It’s “conventional knowledge” and talked about by old school baseball minds. So it probably has almost no effect.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Cave Dameron

Some people whose opinion I trust have strong-ish opinions about going R-L-R-L in the lineup, so you can’t bring in a LOOGY to blow up the heart of a lineup, for example. In terms of the rotation? It would have to be that they get used to seeing lefties or righties, and that has some carryover effect. I don’t know, it’s possible, but I certainly wouldn’t take it on faith.

NATS FanMember since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

There has been some evidence in the past that shows that guys hit better a day after playing a game than after an off day. So RLRL gives an off day to platoons. Probably makes some difference.

bohknowsbmore
5 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

Also probably gives some time off to specialist reliever types. If you have a lefty come in behind a righty starter (due to a lefty-stacked lineup), there’s less chance of him being specifically needed the following day for a bunch of righties against your lefty.

Another theory – reduces chance of bad luck. I.e., your two lefties getting stuck against a team that mashes lefties, then Your three righties in a series against a team with a bunch of lefties and a short right field porch. Perhaps a variance reduction play in that sense.

DBA455
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

If the Angels want to maximize the remaining window for the Trout/Rendon prime – call it 2021-2023 – there’s a pretty straightforward solution:

Adell for Snell

Admittedly hard to let go of a cost-controlled potentially elite young bat. But harder still to waste the prime of a definitively elite all-time player.

Maybe Snell alone isn’t quite enough, but you could likely get the Rays to include a live bullpen arm (Alvarado? Pick one. The Tampa production factory will crank out another one by the All Star break to fill the spot it creates on the 40-man). Or perhaps Margot, to fill Adell’s corner outfield vacancy.

The Angels add a front-of-the-rotation ace and fortify the pen. Tampa keeps payroll at bargain-basement levels while keeping their own playoff window open – and in fact perhaps significantly extended, as Adell and Wander Franco will barely be hitting arbitration by the time Snell’s deal expires.

And I propose this not as a substitute for FA activity, but as a supplement: I am not sure Moreno wants to do this *and* sign Bauer – but a 2-3 year deal for someone like Liam Henriks or Brantley wouldn’t be out of the question, and would really make things interesting in the West.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  DBA455

On paper, that might work. But the Rays won’t do that–they’re always looking for volume, and never look to consolidate. Love it or hate it, it is their way.

I wonder how the Rockies feel about trading German Marquez. They probably don’t like the idea, but he’s also better than Snell.

DBA455
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I’ll respectfully disagree. I think the Rays are in fact particularly thoughtful about roster constraints, and would entertaining ‘consolidating’ if it meant a shot at a true impact/All Star level player. (Whether that’s their view of Adell or not, I don’t know).

As for Marquez, if I’m the Rockies I try to bundle him in an Arenado deal – it seems like the only practical way to get out of that mess – and that obviously doesn’t fit for the Angels. (Of course, if I’m the Rockies there’s a lot of things I try to do differently than what they’ve chosen. So who knows.)

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  DBA455

Adell and something for Snell and Kiermaier? TB wants to unload his contract, and if the Angels are going to have poorly hitting OFs, they might as well be exceptional defenders

DBA455
5 years ago

Adding Kiermaier and his contract subtracts from the deal from the Angels side – so Tampa would have to add even more to balance that back out.

I think they would like to get out from under the KK contract, but I don’t see them moving so many pieces that they cripple the current team. If there’s an outfielder in the deal, Margot is a better fit IMO.

carterMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I sure hope he stands by his word and only signs somewhere that allows him to throw every 4 days, just purely because I want to see it.

hombremomento
5 years ago

Mike Trout will eventually get himself as a ZiPS comp

SucramRenrutMember since 2017
5 years ago
Reply to  hombremomento

Ha, beat me to it. I hope that (or a “no comparison”) is built into the system.

ChrisMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  SucramRenrut

You both beat me to it! But I don’t know how to delete my comment above.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  SucramRenrut

Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Ted Williams, and Babe Ruth were all putting up 150-190 wRC+ seasons at or after age 34, so I’m pretty sure they’re not going to run out of comps.

SculpinMember since 2025
5 years ago

“like ZiPS, I’m a Jared Walsh skeptic ”

I feel one of the responsibilities of having a human brain is to look at things like automated rating systems and try to anticipate when the automation might not work. Re Jared Walsh, Paul Sporer wrote on November 16:

“He changed his stance and approach, resulting in a massive contact boost as he struck out just 14% of the time, well below his 24% MiLB mark and nowhere the 40% clip we saw in tiny 87 PA sample in 2019.”

These are eye-popping numbers! I haven’t the slightest clue how to value Walsh for 2021. But as with Lourdes Gurriel, whom the rating systems never liked mostly because he was older due to having been in Cuba, I just can’t put any stock at all in rating systems in a situation like this.

SculpinMember since 2025
5 years ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

“Statcast thinks he outslugged his quality of contact by 119 points of SLG, one of the largest differences in the majors, ZiPS was at 125. ”

That is definitely useful info as it does not use data from before his swing change.

We all know that we don’t win our fantasy leagues by taking Trout in the first round. We win when we draft a Pete Alonso perform-alike in the 16th round, which is why guys like Walsh will always be intriguing.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Sculpin

So I think that if the improved K-BB% numbers stick, he’s got a shot at being a starting caliber first baseman. But his xwOBA was .337 compared to a real life wOBA of .386. So if the k-bb numbers are the same, that’s more like 2017 Yuli Gurriel, or 2018 Jose Abreu–meaningfully above league average but not ideal at 1B.

Of course, it’s kind of all irrelevant unless you want to see if someone like Kyle Schwarber will play first base well. There are no free agent options that are obvious upgrades now that Santana is gone.

VinnieDaGooch
5 years ago
Reply to  Sculpin

Every single time a player goes on a hot streak the media runs stories about how they changed something in their stance or changed there approach Players are constantly tweaking what they do at the plate so if you want you can pretty much always find a reason to attribute good results to. The thing is a lot of times it is just a hot streak

AngelsLakersFan
5 years ago
Reply to  VinnieDaGooch

This is true, but this is also one of those cases where a player has obviously improved visually before you even check the numbers.

TwinPeaks
5 years ago
Reply to  VinnieDaGooch

His stance and swing definitely did change noticeably, though. One odd thing I am trying to understand about Walsh is that he had a quite low BABIP of 256, but yet his XBA is 25 points less than what he actually hit, implying that his BABIP should have been even lower.

Manco
5 years ago
Reply to  TwinPeaks

He hit .400s on line drives…he should be getting closer to .600+ (once you account for over succeeding on GB) it should settle it what he earned. Small sample sizes often create these. But I wouldn’t use xBA to imply anything with BABIP.

I calculated using a rudimentary check on BABIP for expected hits using his batted ball contact profile. It suggests he lost out on three hits (he got two extra undeserved GB hit, lost out on one FB hit, and lost 4 LD hits). Add those and his expected BABIP is roughly (I can’t stress that enough) about .294. Somewhere in the range of ..290-.310 is what projection expects he earned. So his BABIP should be higher, not lower. It could also go up if you predict him to increase his share of line-drives (he hit frequently above 20% in the minors…) which could boost it even more.

The xBA is using statcast and suggests he won’t continue to put HRs up at that rate over the long term, so they discount some as outs which drags his average away from the peak. Hence why the slugging goes down 100 points.

FrancoeursteinMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Sculpin

He hit a BOMB off of me in high school

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

Francoeurstein with the content that always keeps me coming back. A near-endless set of stories about prep ball in and near Gwinnett County from about 2010-2013.

Manco
5 years ago
Reply to  Sculpin

His K% drop doesn’t account for his quality of contact. Those haven’t been flushed out, and I’m betting the projection systems are holding this against him is Batting Average.

Walsh experienced an increased volume of soft and medium contact on LD/FB batted balls. This shift away from hard contact likely pushed down his EV and likely why the Statcast suggests he was wildly overrated, along with his propensity to crush grounders. While there is validity he experienced a proportional drop of hard contact, he lost most of it from line-drives. This suggests his power hasn’t changed for good or bad. Just another reason why Statcast is skeptical. But take solace in the homers he hit were distanced quite deep can only be buoyed by the shift in converting his barrels into homers (his 2019 homers were actually similarly distanced on average at about 415ftish). I don’t have a great answer to whether he earned his gaudy homer/fly ball rate, but even a dip to something close to 19% isn’t terrible.

The best thing is to avoid overreaching for him. He will be priced accordingly and that is a good opportunity if you are high on him. To me, he looks a little like a Luke Voit-lite. Probably some stat settling will eat into his 2020 high mark. But I can’t argue with .255/ 25/ 75 with room to grow at a good price.

loria_estefan
5 years ago

Hoby Milner and Packy Naughton need to form a gang with a name like “The Orangewood Avenue Boys” or “The Gene Autry Way Bunch”

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
5 years ago

Everything about the Scipio Spinks gorilla story is great, btw (thanks, Dan!): https://www.nytimes.com/1972/06/24/archives/the-cardinal-and-mighty-joe-young.html

AngelsLakersFan
5 years ago

With another $30 mil to spend and the west wide opened the Angels should be able to do just enough to make themselves modest favorites to win the division.

sadhulkMember since 2020
5 years ago

A lot to unpack with that Ty Buttrey comp

Jason BMember since 2017
5 years ago

The California / Anaheim Angels, lately of Los Angeles: one player away from respectability since 2012

airforce21oneMember since 2026
5 years ago

” Albert Pujols declined more quickly and more steeply than anyone imagined he would when he headed to the west coast for a mega-deal after the 2011 season….”

Including the people that believe he is three years older than his stated age?

tung_twista
5 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Yes.

Pujols went from hitting wrc+ 164 in 2009-2011 to
wrc+ 124 in 2012-2014.
That is a steep decline whether you are 31 or 34.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  tung_twista

You…proved my point? A lot more players decline at age 34. So if he’s 34 at the start of his decline, it’s not as irrational.

bglick4
5 years ago

Mickey Mantle, Brooks Robinson, then Dick Groat. I have no idea who he is, but, if I were an Angels fan, this would give me the same feeling one gets when he sees the Stooges short is a Shemp. They’ve got to go all in on Bauer and Springer, right?

Mahoney
5 years ago

Andrelton Simmons’ top comp right now is a mediocre defensive first baseman from the 1930’s who was out of the major leagues before his 32nd birthday.

Doubt his agent will bring up ZiPS to any of the 30 GMs this offseason.

NATS FanMember since 2018
5 years ago

Micky Mantel (he says sarcastically)! That’s so weak! Soto got the Ted Williams!

NATS FanMember since 2018
5 years ago

No seriously. This is a team that feels like they could make the right moves easily so The Fishmonger of Baseball Destruction can finally play in the series. For the sake of the game lets hope he does and does well!

whiptydojoe
5 years ago

Adell seems like a prime candidate to spend a half-season at AAA. I think the Angels wanted to get him playing time in 2020 and they obviously only had one spot for that to happen. With MiLB (hopefully) back in 2021, I think some additional seasoning in the minors would greatly help Adell’s growth.

In 2019, he was very clearly beyond AA, but struggled pretty bad in AAA (his K-issues started then.) I think treating him like a traditional Super 2 prospect timeline in 2021 and adding in his games played in 2020 is a likely path for him a.) back to the big league club and b.) finding success, as long as he figures out AAA — and also allows the Angels to game his service time.

The “worst-case” scenario is the Angels send him down, he proves he can handle AAA, and they need to decide whether to bring him up for a competitive team, but lose a year of service time. Not exactly a bad situation to be in: a hot prospect joining a competitive team would be a nice thing to see with more frequency in baseball.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
5 years ago

Has any other team ever traded for the two best Iglesias’s in the same year?

SenorGato
5 years ago

Two moves would go a long way for the Angels: signing Bauer and trading Taylor Ward, Patrick Sandoval, and Jordyn Adams for Willson Contreras