2022 ZiPS Projections: Philadelphia Phillies
After having typically appeared in the hallowed pages of Baseball Think Factory, Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections have now been released at FanGraphs for a decade. The exercise continues this offseason. Below are the projections for the Philadephia Phillies.
Batters
Perhaps there’s a bit of recency bias in play since I just wrote about them, but the Phillies as an organization feel a lot to me like the Angels do. Both have significant high points on their roster: the Angels with Mike Trout, Shohei Ohtani, and Anthony Rendon, the Phillies with Bryce Harper, J.T. Realmuto, Aaron Nola, and Zack Wheeler. But both teams share some less desirable qualities: ownership that seems to spend mostly in short bursts; major, obvious holes that go unanswered for years; and an unfortunate lack of reinforcements from the minors.
Entering the 2020 season, the Phillies ranked dead last in our positional rankings in center field. The projection was not far off, as they got a .637 OPS out of the position. They did little to address the problem after 2020, and though they did a better job thwarting the projections than the year before, I doubt anybody seriously thinks Travis Jankowski or Matt Vierling is going to be a great long-term option out there. Odúbel Herrera was already showing decline before his release, and the team has done just about nothing at the position since. In left, Andrew McCutchen was never better than simply a temporary stopgap; now that he’s gone, the Phillies don’t have a better idea. There’s still more of the offseason to come, but as of now, fans should be apprehensive about these two positions.
On the plus side, the offensive projections are solid elsewhere, to the degree that the Phillies could have a lineup in the top third of the league if the value of their stars isn’t eroded by having to haul around the two current positional millstones. Harper finally had the second fully healthy, superstar-level season of his career, and while the Harper-Trout battle has long been lost, he looks solidly back on a Hall of Fame trajectory, even if he doesn’t appear to be headed toward that inner circle pantheon. Realmuto is a good bet to be a top-five catcher, and Rhys Hoskins should be there at first, or at least close.
Depth is still a fairly serious issue. Outside of Bryson Stott in the infield, there are few places I’m thrilled with the Plan Bs.
Pitchers
While Nola and Wheeler are terrific, this is a rotation that’s absolutely crying for another solid innings-eater. Maybe that will be Zach Eflin at some point, but he’s recovering from major knee surgery and is likely to miss at least the start of the season. Right now, things look the same as last year — a reliance on the top two pitchers with a naïve hope that everything will just magically fall into place behind them. That’s how an alleged contender ended up opening a season with Matt Moore as its fourth starter.
I’m optimistic about Ranger Suárez, as is ZiPS, and the Phillies still could sign another starting pitcher. The major problem is that most of the desirable starters are already off the board. The lack of highly sought-after prospects also limits the ability of the team to make trades for others who could become available, such as one of the Reds’ starters, or John Means.
The bullpen is in better shape. Corey Knebel was one of the best relievers available, so bringing him into the fold represents a major upgrade. Ryan Sherriff is a great bounce-back candidate, basically acquired for free, and Bailey Falter projects as solidly above-average in the pen. Add in a healthy Seranthony Domínguez, and I think people will be surprised just how good this group is after a rather blecch 2021.
Add it all up and assume average health, and I think this is a team that’s roughly .500, perhaps a few wins better. It’s unfortunate, and despite the hopes during rebuilding, I don’t think we’re going to ever get a truly excellent Phillies team in this generation.
One of the fundamental problems is that the front office and ownership have responded to disappointments not by addressing the actual failings but what they want the failings to be. It’s easy to say that the problem is a manager who doesn’t know how to win and then sign a manager who allegedly does. It’s easy to say that it’s the hitting coach’s fault. It’s easy to blame the bullpen for your bad fortunes. It’s easy to say that it’s COVID’s fault because the team lost $700 quadrillion dollars.
By contrast, it’s harder to admit that a team reliant on just a few players is going to be wildly inconsistent. It’s harder to admit that you’ve been incredibly lax at finding talent at the weaker positions. It’s harder to admit that something is going wrong with your player development process when so few players are becoming real contributors in the majors. It’s harder to make the decision to go through the luxury tax threshold because you didn’t consider that the big, expensive superstars need a good foundation of secondary talent and role players to get you into the playoffs — players you have to pay for if you can’t develop them yourself.
It’s easy to build a .500 team when you’re spending $200 million. Unfortunately, the team is run on easy mode.
Now, perhaps the Phillies add Carlos Rodón, Kris Bryant, and Matthew Boyd after a new CBA is signed and somehow find enough talent to acquire Cedric Mullins or Bryan Reynolds. If that happens, my outlook will have to change; as of right now, let’s call this an 84-win team.

Ballpark graphic courtesy Eephus League. Depth charts constructed by way of those listed here.
| Player | B | Age | PO | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | CS |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Bryce Harper | L | 29 | RF | 603 | 489 | 94 | 133 | 32 | 1 | 33 | 96 | 103 | 142 | 13 | 3 |
| J.T. Realmuto | R | 31 | C | 542 | 486 | 73 | 128 | 26 | 3 | 20 | 79 | 43 | 126 | 10 | 2 |
| Rhys Hoskins | R | 29 | 1B | 538 | 455 | 73 | 109 | 29 | 2 | 28 | 84 | 72 | 132 | 3 | 2 |
| Jean Segura | R | 32 | 2B | 578 | 532 | 74 | 150 | 27 | 3 | 12 | 57 | 34 | 78 | 10 | 4 |
| Bryson Stott | L | 24 | SS | 457 | 409 | 50 | 100 | 17 | 2 | 12 | 42 | 43 | 115 | 7 | 5 |
| Alec Bohm | R | 25 | 3B | 528 | 477 | 60 | 125 | 21 | 2 | 15 | 61 | 42 | 123 | 6 | 2 |
| Odúbel Herrera | L | 30 | CF | 470 | 432 | 53 | 112 | 23 | 2 | 13 | 53 | 28 | 78 | 6 | 1 |
| Andrew McCutchen | R | 35 | LF | 470 | 401 | 62 | 93 | 19 | 1 | 19 | 63 | 61 | 108 | 6 | 2 |
| Arquímedes Gamboa | B | 24 | SS | 415 | 367 | 44 | 74 | 12 | 3 | 8 | 32 | 44 | 121 | 10 | 3 |
| Brad Miller | L | 32 | 1B | 341 | 300 | 44 | 69 | 11 | 2 | 17 | 48 | 38 | 103 | 2 | 1 |
| Didi Gregorius | L | 32 | SS | 416 | 379 | 49 | 93 | 17 | 3 | 15 | 62 | 26 | 64 | 3 | 2 |
| Freddy Galvis | B | 32 | SS | 478 | 441 | 55 | 107 | 20 | 1 | 14 | 54 | 29 | 103 | 3 | 2 |
| Johan Camargo | B | 28 | 1B | 438 | 399 | 56 | 103 | 21 | 1 | 16 | 52 | 34 | 89 | 0 | 1 |
| Tyler Heineman | B | 31 | C | 214 | 191 | 24 | 46 | 9 | 1 | 5 | 20 | 16 | 42 | 1 | 1 |
| Garrett Stubbs | L | 29 | C | 229 | 202 | 28 | 45 | 9 | 1 | 4 | 19 | 20 | 45 | 5 | 1 |
| Johan Rojas | R | 21 | CF | 455 | 426 | 54 | 97 | 15 | 3 | 11 | 45 | 22 | 101 | 17 | 6 |
| Logan O’Hoppe | R | 22 | C | 437 | 402 | 53 | 96 | 16 | 1 | 14 | 48 | 25 | 90 | 4 | 2 |
| Wendell Rijo | R | 26 | 2B | 378 | 346 | 38 | 75 | 16 | 1 | 14 | 35 | 26 | 96 | 5 | 2 |
| Vito Friscia | R | 25 | C | 287 | 255 | 37 | 55 | 10 | 1 | 6 | 26 | 24 | 85 | 2 | 0 |
| Matt Vierling | R | 25 | RF | 445 | 403 | 48 | 94 | 17 | 2 | 10 | 40 | 28 | 107 | 10 | 3 |
| Rafael Marchan | B | 23 | C | 350 | 320 | 43 | 71 | 12 | 2 | 5 | 26 | 24 | 65 | 1 | 1 |
| Daniel Brito | L | 24 | 2B | 365 | 337 | 33 | 79 | 13 | 2 | 7 | 25 | 22 | 80 | 4 | 7 |
| Jake Elmore | R | 35 | 2B | 360 | 325 | 38 | 83 | 17 | 0 | 3 | 27 | 28 | 59 | 3 | 6 |
| Charles Tilson | L | 29 | CF | 323 | 297 | 34 | 71 | 11 | 1 | 3 | 26 | 19 | 68 | 9 | 2 |
| T.J. Rivera | R | 33 | 2B | 274 | 247 | 32 | 57 | 11 | 1 | 8 | 32 | 14 | 61 | 1 | 1 |
| Jhailyn Ortiz | R | 23 | CF | 429 | 394 | 45 | 83 | 12 | 1 | 16 | 47 | 28 | 131 | 2 | 1 |
| Ronald Torreyes | R | 29 | 3B | 380 | 352 | 37 | 86 | 13 | 1 | 8 | 39 | 18 | 46 | 2 | 1 |
| Adam Haseley | L | 26 | CF | 405 | 368 | 48 | 89 | 16 | 2 | 9 | 41 | 27 | 92 | 7 | 2 |
| Austin Listi | R | 28 | 3B | 394 | 351 | 45 | 75 | 14 | 1 | 10 | 39 | 33 | 98 | 0 | 1 |
| Luke Williams | R | 25 | 2B | 394 | 353 | 42 | 76 | 15 | 2 | 7 | 31 | 30 | 103 | 14 | 7 |
| Travis Jankowski | L | 31 | CF | 252 | 221 | 32 | 53 | 7 | 1 | 2 | 14 | 27 | 50 | 9 | 4 |
| Roman Quinn | B | 29 | CF | 145 | 129 | 17 | 28 | 4 | 2 | 2 | 10 | 11 | 42 | 10 | 3 |
| Dalton Guthrie | R | 26 | SS | 343 | 320 | 33 | 70 | 13 | 2 | 6 | 26 | 17 | 81 | 4 | 3 |
| Nick Maton | L | 25 | SS | 422 | 376 | 46 | 79 | 16 | 2 | 9 | 39 | 37 | 117 | 6 | 4 |
| Darick Hall | L | 26 | 1B | 490 | 433 | 59 | 90 | 23 | 1 | 16 | 57 | 41 | 137 | 1 | 1 |
| Donny Sands | R | 26 | C | 348 | 321 | 38 | 74 | 14 | 1 | 11 | 37 | 21 | 71 | 1 | 1 |
| Mickey Moniak | L | 24 | CF | 482 | 437 | 53 | 95 | 18 | 8 | 14 | 57 | 31 | 138 | 6 | 2 |
| Símon Muzziotti | L | 23 | CF | 349 | 324 | 37 | 81 | 13 | 2 | 5 | 25 | 20 | 67 | 10 | 8 |
| Scott Kingery | R | 28 | 2B | 406 | 374 | 45 | 82 | 21 | 2 | 11 | 35 | 25 | 127 | 10 | 2 |
| Edgar Cabral | R | 26 | C | 140 | 126 | 15 | 24 | 4 | 1 | 3 | 12 | 11 | 43 | 0 | 0 |
| Ryan Cordell | R | 30 | RF | 250 | 225 | 23 | 45 | 8 | 0 | 9 | 28 | 17 | 84 | 6 | 1 |
| Ali Castillo | R | 33 | 3B | 364 | 336 | 39 | 82 | 13 | 3 | 5 | 31 | 19 | 60 | 4 | 4 |
| Matt Joyce | L | 37 | RF | 134 | 113 | 14 | 23 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 14 | 17 | 34 | 0 | 0 |
| Logan Moore | L | 31 | C | 114 | 100 | 12 | 17 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 8 | 11 | 33 | 0 | 0 |
| Jorge Bonifacio | R | 29 | RF | 425 | 384 | 45 | 83 | 18 | 2 | 11 | 46 | 33 | 104 | 3 | 2 |
| Luis García | B | 21 | SS | 503 | 464 | 52 | 95 | 14 | 2 | 16 | 47 | 33 | 138 | 8 | 4 |
| Jack Conley | R | 25 | C | 171 | 154 | 15 | 27 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 11 | 14 | 51 | 1 | 0 |
| Nate Fassnacht | R | 24 | 2B | 287 | 258 | 33 | 46 | 8 | 2 | 6 | 24 | 27 | 108 | 5 | 2 |
| D.J. Stewart | R | 23 | LF | 415 | 386 | 53 | 91 | 14 | 2 | 11 | 46 | 21 | 89 | 4 | 2 |
| Casey Martin | R | 23 | SS | 455 | 425 | 53 | 82 | 15 | 1 | 10 | 41 | 24 | 123 | 10 | 3 |
| Cornelius Randolph | L | 25 | RF | 318 | 289 | 33 | 60 | 10 | 1 | 8 | 29 | 26 | 103 | 6 | 2 |
| Nicolas Torres | R | 22 | 3B | 410 | 383 | 54 | 89 | 12 | 2 | 7 | 35 | 24 | 101 | 8 | 2 |
| Madison Stokes | R | 26 | 1B | 406 | 376 | 38 | 76 | 14 | 2 | 9 | 32 | 23 | 124 | 1 | 2 |
| Josh Stephen | L | 24 | LF | 404 | 362 | 46 | 74 | 16 | 3 | 8 | 36 | 33 | 118 | 4 | 4 |
| Player | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS+ | ISO | BABIP | RC/27 | Def | WAR | No. 1 Comp |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Bryce Harper | .272 | .400 | .544 | 149 | .272 | .318 | 8.2 | -2 | 4.9 | Lance Berkman |
| J.T. Realmuto | .263 | .332 | .453 | 107 | .189 | .318 | 5.6 | 3 | 3.5 | Hector Lopez |
| Rhys Hoskins | .240 | .351 | .497 | 123 | .257 | .275 | 6.2 | -2 | 2.6 | Bob Hamelin |
| Jean Segura | .282 | .331 | .412 | 97 | .130 | .312 | 5.2 | 1 | 2.3 | Mark Grudzielanek |
| Bryson Stott | .244 | .317 | .384 | 87 | .139 | .312 | 4.3 | 4 | 1.7 | Ernest Riles |
| Alec Bohm | .262 | .323 | .409 | 94 | .147 | .324 | 4.9 | -1 | 1.6 | Clete Boyer |
| Odúbel Herrera | .259 | .309 | .412 | 91 | .153 | .290 | 4.7 | 0 | 1.3 | Terrence Long |
| Andrew McCutchen | .232 | .336 | .426 | 102 | .195 | .270 | 5.1 | -3 | 1.2 | Andy Tracy |
| Arquímedes Gamboa | .202 | .288 | .316 | 62 | .114 | .277 | 3.2 | 10 | 1.1 | Darrin Duffy |
| Brad Miller | .230 | .320 | .450 | 103 | .220 | .289 | 5.0 | 2 | 1.0 | Len Matuszek |
| Didi Gregorius | .245 | .300 | .425 | 91 | .179 | .260 | 4.5 | -4 | 0.9 | Gene Alley |
| Freddy Galvis | .243 | .294 | .388 | 80 | .145 | .287 | 4.0 | -1 | 0.8 | Bill Stein |
| Johan Camargo | .258 | .320 | .436 | 100 | .178 | .296 | 5.0 | -1 | 0.8 | Jim Spencer |
| Tyler Heineman | .241 | .308 | .377 | 82 | .136 | .285 | 4.1 | 2 | 0.7 | Brad Gulden |
| Garrett Stubbs | .223 | .296 | .337 | 69 | .114 | .268 | 3.6 | 4 | 0.7 | Doug Newstrom |
| Johan Rojas | .228 | .269 | .354 | 65 | .127 | .274 | 3.5 | 7 | 0.6 | Damian Rolls |
| Logan O’Hoppe | .239 | .286 | .388 | 78 | .149 | .275 | 3.9 | -3 | 0.5 | Izzy Molina |
| Wendell Rijo | .217 | .279 | .390 | 76 | .173 | .258 | 3.8 | 0 | 0.4 | Jim Anderson |
| Vito Friscia | .216 | .288 | .333 | 66 | .118 | .299 | 3.4 | 1 | 0.3 | Jeff Ransom |
| Matt Vierling | .233 | .290 | .360 | 73 | .127 | .294 | 3.8 | 7 | 0.3 | Pedro Swann |
| Rafael Marchan | .222 | .284 | .319 | 61 | .097 | .264 | 3.1 | 3 | 0.3 | Guillermo Garcia |
| Daniel Brito | .234 | .286 | .347 | 68 | .113 | .288 | 3.2 | 6 | 0.3 | Felix Molina |
| Jake Elmore | .255 | .320 | .335 | 76 | .080 | .304 | 3.6 | 1 | 0.3 | Manny Trillo |
| Charles Tilson | .239 | .293 | .313 | 63 | .074 | .301 | 3.4 | 4 | 0.3 | Joe Simpson |
| T.J. Rivera | .231 | .275 | .381 | 73 | .150 | .275 | 3.6 | 2 | 0.3 | Garth Iorg |
| Jhailyn Ortiz | .211 | .273 | .368 | 69 | .157 | .271 | 3.4 | 2 | 0.2 | Brian Pate |
| Ronald Torreyes | .244 | .285 | .355 | 70 | .111 | .262 | 3.6 | 2 | 0.2 | Danny Thompson |
| Adam Haseley | .242 | .301 | .370 | 78 | .128 | .300 | 4.0 | -4 | 0.2 | Dan Peltier |
| Austin Listi | .214 | .290 | .345 | 69 | .131 | .267 | 3.4 | 1 | 0.1 | Jason Wood |
| Luke Williams | .215 | .281 | .329 | 63 | .113 | .284 | 3.2 | 4 | 0.1 | Andy Fox |
| Travis Jankowski | .240 | .328 | .308 | 72 | .068 | .302 | 3.6 | -1 | 0.1 | Thurman Tucker |
| Roman Quinn | .217 | .294 | .326 | 66 | .109 | .306 | 3.6 | 0 | 0.1 | Herm Winningham |
| Dalton Guthrie | .219 | .266 | .328 | 58 | .109 | .275 | 3.0 | 4 | 0.1 | Ed Brinkman |
| Nick Maton | .210 | .286 | .335 | 66 | .125 | .280 | 3.2 | 0 | 0.1 | Brandon Cromer |
| Darick Hall | .208 | .291 | .376 | 77 | .169 | .264 | 3.7 | 3 | 0.0 | Les Wallin |
| Donny Sands | .231 | .280 | .383 | 75 | .153 | .264 | 3.7 | -6 | -0.1 | Dann Bilardello |
| Mickey Moniak | .217 | .271 | .391 | 74 | .174 | .284 | 3.7 | -3 | -0.1 | Roy Johnson |
| Símon Muzziotti | .250 | .297 | .349 | 72 | .099 | .302 | 3.5 | -1 | -0.1 | Leo Garcia |
| Scott Kingery | .219 | .272 | .374 | 70 | .155 | .301 | 3.7 | -3 | -0.1 | Gookie Dawkins |
| Edgar Cabral | .190 | .259 | .310 | 51 | .119 | .263 | 2.7 | -1 | -0.3 | Patrick Arlis |
| Ryan Cordell | .200 | .263 | .356 | 64 | .156 | .273 | 3.3 | 1 | -0.3 | Nick Gorneault |
| Ali Castillo | .244 | .285 | .345 | 68 | .101 | .284 | 3.4 | -2 | -0.4 | Eddie Zosky |
| Matt Joyce | .204 | .308 | .310 | 67 | .106 | .263 | 3.2 | -2 | -0.4 | Brian Jordan |
| Logan Moore | .170 | .257 | .250 | 37 | .080 | .231 | 2.1 | -1 | -0.4 | Earl Grace |
| Jorge Bonifacio | .216 | .281 | .359 | 70 | .143 | .268 | 3.4 | 1 | -0.5 | Caleb Stewart |
| Luis García | .205 | .259 | .347 | 60 | .142 | .255 | 3.1 | -5 | -0.7 | Juan Uribe |
| Jack Conley | .175 | .253 | .286 | 44 | .110 | .232 | 2.4 | -4 | -0.7 | Brad Erdman |
| Nate Fassnacht | .178 | .261 | .295 | 49 | .116 | .278 | 2.6 | -1 | -0.8 | Jamie Saylor |
| D.J. Stewart | .236 | .278 | .368 | 71 | .132 | .280 | 3.6 | -3 | -0.8 | Josh Carter |
| Casey Martin | .193 | .242 | .304 | 45 | .111 | .247 | 2.6 | 0 | -1.0 | Neifi Perez |
| Cornelius Randolph | .208 | .277 | .332 | 62 | .125 | .292 | 3.2 | -5 | -1.1 | Jason Herrick |
| Nicolas Torres | .232 | .279 | .329 | 62 | .097 | .298 | 3.3 | -12 | -1.5 | Ruben Santana |
| Madison Stokes | .202 | .252 | .322 | 52 | .120 | .276 | 2.7 | 1 | -1.5 | Eric Reece |
| Josh Stephen | .204 | .274 | .331 | 61 | .127 | .280 | 3.0 | -9 | -1.9 | Chad Alexander |
| Player | T | Age | W | L | ERA | G | GS | IP | H | ER | HR | BB | SO | FIP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Zack Wheeler | R | 32 | 14 | 7 | 3.23 | 30 | 30 | 192.3 | 168 | 69 | 17 | 46 | 201 | 3.07 |
| Aaron Nola | R | 29 | 12 | 7 | 3.46 | 32 | 32 | 184.7 | 154 | 71 | 24 | 51 | 217 | 3.48 |
| Zach Eflin | R | 28 | 8 | 7 | 4.06 | 23 | 22 | 124.0 | 127 | 56 | 18 | 30 | 111 | 4.10 |
| Ranger Suárez | L | 26 | 7 | 5 | 3.79 | 39 | 12 | 102.0 | 92 | 43 | 10 | 34 | 95 | 3.74 |
| Kyle Gibson | R | 34 | 9 | 8 | 4.63 | 27 | 26 | 149.7 | 147 | 77 | 22 | 57 | 131 | 4.62 |
| Cristopher Sánchez | L | 25 | 6 | 5 | 4.47 | 27 | 17 | 86.7 | 82 | 43 | 10 | 45 | 87 | 4.37 |
| Bailey Falter | L | 25 | 3 | 3 | 4.27 | 26 | 9 | 65.3 | 64 | 31 | 11 | 16 | 64 | 4.28 |
| Sam Coonrod | R | 29 | 3 | 2 | 3.81 | 52 | 1 | 49.7 | 44 | 21 | 5 | 21 | 53 | 3.86 |
| José Alvarado | L | 27 | 4 | 3 | 3.98 | 63 | 1 | 54.3 | 42 | 24 | 5 | 40 | 72 | 4.16 |
| Corey Knebel | R | 30 | 2 | 2 | 3.69 | 35 | 3 | 31.7 | 25 | 13 | 4 | 14 | 42 | 3.59 |
| Seranthony Domínguez | R | 27 | 2 | 2 | 3.74 | 31 | 2 | 33.7 | 29 | 14 | 3 | 15 | 35 | 3.77 |
| Connor Brogdon | R | 27 | 5 | 4 | 4.18 | 53 | 2 | 60.3 | 53 | 28 | 9 | 22 | 67 | 4.09 |
| Scott Moss | L | 27 | 6 | 7 | 5.06 | 19 | 18 | 80.0 | 76 | 45 | 13 | 48 | 85 | 5.12 |
| James McArthur | R | 25 | 4 | 5 | 5.08 | 22 | 15 | 78.0 | 80 | 44 | 10 | 42 | 65 | 4.99 |
| Archie Bradley | R | 29 | 5 | 4 | 4.19 | 59 | 0 | 58.0 | 56 | 27 | 8 | 23 | 54 | 4.51 |
| Damon Jones | L | 27 | 4 | 4 | 4.93 | 30 | 10 | 69.3 | 63 | 38 | 8 | 49 | 71 | 4.93 |
| Nick Nelson | R | 26 | 5 | 5 | 4.97 | 34 | 11 | 76.0 | 72 | 42 | 11 | 48 | 81 | 5.02 |
| Ryan Sherriff | L | 32 | 5 | 4 | 4.09 | 40 | 2 | 33.0 | 31 | 15 | 3 | 16 | 30 | 4.27 |
| Ethan Evanko | L | 27 | 3 | 3 | 4.66 | 15 | 4 | 36.7 | 38 | 19 | 5 | 16 | 28 | 4.90 |
| Jeffrey Singer | L | 28 | 4 | 3 | 4.23 | 43 | 0 | 55.3 | 49 | 26 | 6 | 29 | 61 | 4.12 |
| Ethan Lindow | L | 23 | 5 | 6 | 5.24 | 19 | 15 | 80.7 | 90 | 47 | 15 | 26 | 58 | 5.28 |
| Colton Eastman | R | 25 | 4 | 5 | 5.23 | 19 | 14 | 75.7 | 80 | 44 | 14 | 31 | 63 | 5.31 |
| Adam Leverett | R | 23 | 4 | 5 | 5.26 | 21 | 16 | 75.3 | 81 | 44 | 12 | 34 | 57 | 5.25 |
| Josh Hendrickson | L | 24 | 3 | 4 | 5.28 | 20 | 13 | 76.7 | 83 | 45 | 14 | 29 | 58 | 5.37 |
| David Hale 헤일 | R | 34 | 2 | 2 | 4.83 | 18 | 4 | 41.0 | 44 | 22 | 6 | 14 | 31 | 4.74 |
| Cam Bedrosian | R | 30 | 2 | 2 | 4.53 | 50 | 2 | 51.7 | 49 | 26 | 7 | 23 | 50 | 4.46 |
| Ian Kennedy | R | 37 | 2 | 2 | 4.44 | 51 | 0 | 50.7 | 47 | 25 | 10 | 17 | 59 | 4.48 |
| Hans Crouse | R | 23 | 5 | 6 | 5.46 | 23 | 23 | 85.7 | 90 | 52 | 16 | 39 | 71 | 5.46 |
| Tyler Cyr | R | 29 | 1 | 1 | 4.58 | 33 | 1 | 37.3 | 36 | 19 | 5 | 20 | 38 | 4.65 |
| Kent Emanuel | L | 30 | 3 | 3 | 5.13 | 21 | 5 | 59.7 | 65 | 34 | 12 | 17 | 44 | 5.33 |
| Kyle Glogoski | R | 23 | 2 | 2 | 5.29 | 12 | 6 | 32.3 | 32 | 19 | 4 | 20 | 28 | 5.10 |
| Joe Gatto | R | 27 | 4 | 5 | 4.98 | 33 | 4 | 65.0 | 64 | 36 | 9 | 32 | 59 | 4.83 |
| Adonis Medina | R | 25 | 5 | 6 | 5.49 | 22 | 19 | 83.7 | 93 | 51 | 14 | 36 | 60 | 5.39 |
| Yoan López | R | 29 | 3 | 3 | 4.56 | 53 | 0 | 51.3 | 50 | 26 | 8 | 20 | 49 | 4.52 |
| Andrew Bellatti | R | 30 | 2 | 2 | 4.54 | 31 | 0 | 33.7 | 33 | 17 | 5 | 13 | 33 | 4.40 |
| Carlo Reyes | R | 23 | 5 | 5 | 4.91 | 36 | 3 | 58.7 | 60 | 32 | 9 | 26 | 52 | 4.94 |
| David Parkinson | L | 26 | 6 | 8 | 5.52 | 21 | 19 | 93.0 | 101 | 57 | 18 | 37 | 77 | 5.40 |
| Jake Newberry | R | 27 | 4 | 4 | 4.62 | 50 | 0 | 64.3 | 62 | 33 | 11 | 28 | 66 | 4.80 |
| Taylor Lehman | L | 26 | 1 | 1 | 5.47 | 9 | 5 | 24.7 | 25 | 15 | 3 | 17 | 20 | 5.45 |
| Jakob Hernandez | L | 26 | 3 | 3 | 4.63 | 44 | 0 | 56.3 | 53 | 29 | 8 | 28 | 58 | 4.62 |
| Matt Moore | L | 33 | 3 | 4 | 5.49 | 26 | 15 | 80.3 | 85 | 49 | 16 | 36 | 73 | 5.41 |
| Noah Skirrow | R | 23 | 3 | 4 | 5.49 | 19 | 10 | 57.3 | 63 | 35 | 9 | 29 | 41 | 5.46 |
| Brandon Kintzler | R | 37 | 2 | 2 | 4.86 | 38 | 1 | 37.0 | 41 | 20 | 6 | 12 | 26 | 5.02 |
| Kyle Dohy | L | 25 | 3 | 3 | 4.70 | 38 | 0 | 51.7 | 44 | 27 | 6 | 37 | 61 | 4.59 |
| Rob Kaminsky | L | 27 | 1 | 1 | 4.78 | 31 | 0 | 37.7 | 36 | 20 | 5 | 20 | 36 | 4.67 |
| JoJo Romero | L | 25 | 4 | 5 | 5.56 | 22 | 14 | 69.7 | 75 | 43 | 13 | 31 | 58 | 5.49 |
| Julian Garcia | R | 27 | 5 | 6 | 5.52 | 22 | 12 | 75.0 | 80 | 46 | 13 | 37 | 62 | 5.42 |
| David Paulino | R | 28 | 3 | 4 | 5.37 | 28 | 8 | 72.0 | 76 | 43 | 14 | 29 | 64 | 5.26 |
| Jack Perkins | R | 24 | 4 | 5 | 5.61 | 23 | 20 | 94.7 | 107 | 59 | 18 | 36 | 66 | 5.56 |
| Ramón Rosso | R | 26 | 3 | 4 | 5.52 | 27 | 13 | 75.0 | 78 | 46 | 14 | 36 | 69 | 5.37 |
| Tyler Phillips | R | 24 | 4 | 5 | 5.73 | 18 | 17 | 59.7 | 67 | 38 | 13 | 22 | 45 | 5.81 |
| Billy Sullivan | R | 23 | 1 | 1 | 5.16 | 21 | 0 | 22.7 | 22 | 13 | 4 | 13 | 23 | 5.30 |
| Austin Ross | R | 27 | 4 | 5 | 5.08 | 36 | 1 | 51.3 | 50 | 29 | 7 | 31 | 48 | 5.07 |
| Francisco Morales | R | 22 | 8 | 10 | 5.74 | 26 | 22 | 95.7 | 96 | 61 | 15 | 69 | 93 | 5.63 |
| Brian Marconi | L | 25 | 2 | 2 | 5.10 | 39 | 0 | 47.7 | 47 | 27 | 6 | 29 | 44 | 4.92 |
| Michael Kelly | R | 29 | 4 | 5 | 5.26 | 39 | 1 | 49.7 | 47 | 29 | 8 | 30 | 51 | 5.21 |
| Braeden Ogle | L | 24 | 4 | 4 | 5.13 | 44 | 0 | 52.7 | 53 | 30 | 9 | 28 | 51 | 5.23 |
| Mike Adams | R | 27 | 2 | 2 | 5.21 | 45 | 0 | 48.3 | 51 | 28 | 6 | 25 | 36 | 5.04 |
| Taylor Guerrieri | R | 29 | 2 | 2 | 5.48 | 33 | 1 | 46.0 | 48 | 28 | 8 | 22 | 41 | 5.29 |
| Matt Seelinger | R | 27 | 2 | 3 | 5.40 | 35 | 0 | 41.7 | 38 | 25 | 8 | 30 | 51 | 5.60 |
| Braden Zarbnisky | R | 25 | 4 | 5 | 5.32 | 31 | 0 | 47.3 | 51 | 28 | 10 | 17 | 39 | 5.48 |
| Tyler Carr | R | 26 | 1 | 2 | 5.26 | 35 | 0 | 53.0 | 56 | 31 | 8 | 26 | 39 | 5.31 |
| Brady Lail | R | 28 | 2 | 2 | 5.62 | 35 | 2 | 49.7 | 51 | 31 | 10 | 25 | 47 | 5.60 |
| Zach Warren | L | 26 | 1 | 2 | 5.48 | 40 | 0 | 46.0 | 42 | 28 | 8 | 35 | 53 | 5.55 |
| Blake Brown | R | 23 | 1 | 2 | 5.67 | 35 | 0 | 39.7 | 39 | 25 | 6 | 29 | 38 | 5.57 |
| Mark Appel | R | 30 | 3 | 6 | 6.29 | 23 | 15 | 68.7 | 77 | 48 | 13 | 42 | 51 | 6.12 |
| Nick Lackney | L | 25 | 2 | 3 | 6.15 | 31 | 0 | 45.3 | 49 | 31 | 6 | 34 | 31 | 5.98 |
| Jhordany Mezquita | L | 24 | 4 | 7 | 6.51 | 22 | 16 | 74.7 | 83 | 54 | 13 | 53 | 55 | 6.26 |
| Player | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | BB% | K% | BABIP | ERA+ | ERA- | WAR | No. 1 Comp |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Zack Wheeler | 9.4 | 2.2 | 0.8 | 5.9% | 25.6% | .294 | 135 | 74 | 4.7 | Kevin Brown |
| Aaron Nola | 10.6 | 2.5 | 1.2 | 6.7% | 28.7% | .285 | 126 | 80 | 4.1 | Mike Mussina |
| Zach Eflin | 8.1 | 2.2 | 1.3 | 5.7% | 21.2% | .302 | 107 | 94 | 1.9 | Charles Nagy |
| Ranger Suárez | 8.4 | 3.0 | 0.9 | 7.9% | 22.1% | .287 | 115 | 87 | 1.7 | Billy O’Dell |
| Kyle Gibson | 7.9 | 3.4 | 1.3 | 8.8% | 20.2% | .289 | 94 | 107 | 1.5 | Mike Morgan |
| Cristopher Sánchez | 9.0 | 4.7 | 1.0 | 11.7% | 22.6% | .301 | 97 | 103 | 0.9 | Bill Everly |
| Bailey Falter | 8.8 | 2.2 | 1.5 | 5.8% | 23.3% | .293 | 102 | 98 | 0.7 | Tom Underwood |
| Sam Coonrod | 9.6 | 3.8 | 0.9 | 9.8% | 24.7% | .295 | 114 | 88 | 0.5 | Jay Powell |
| José Alvarado | 11.9 | 6.6 | 0.8 | 16.3% | 29.3% | .296 | 109 | 92 | 0.5 | Mitch Williams |
| Corey Knebel | 11.9 | 4.0 | 1.1 | 10.5% | 31.6% | .292 | 118 | 85 | 0.5 | Russ Springer |
| Seranthony Domínguez | 9.4 | 4.0 | 0.8 | 10.3% | 24.1% | .289 | 116 | 86 | 0.5 | Charlie Hough |
| Connor Brogdon | 10.0 | 3.3 | 1.3 | 8.7% | 26.4% | .286 | 104 | 96 | 0.4 | Stan Belinda |
| Scott Moss | 9.6 | 5.4 | 1.5 | 13.2% | 23.4% | .296 | 86 | 117 | 0.4 | Steve Searcy |
| James McArthur | 7.5 | 4.8 | 1.2 | 11.8% | 18.3% | .300 | 86 | 117 | 0.3 | Mike Lumley |
| Archie Bradley | 8.4 | 3.6 | 1.2 | 9.1% | 21.3% | .293 | 104 | 96 | 0.3 | Jerry Dipoto |
| Damon Jones | 9.2 | 6.4 | 1.0 | 15.4% | 22.3% | .294 | 88 | 114 | 0.3 | Bob Weiland |
| Nick Nelson | 9.6 | 5.7 | 1.3 | 13.8% | 23.3% | .300 | 87 | 114 | 0.3 | Steve Curry |
| Ryan Sherriff | 8.2 | 4.4 | 0.8 | 10.9% | 20.4% | .295 | 106 | 94 | 0.3 | Sean Fesh |
| Ethan Evanko | 6.9 | 3.9 | 1.2 | 9.8% | 17.2% | .295 | 93 | 107 | 0.2 | Danny Coombs |
| Jeffrey Singer | 9.9 | 4.7 | 1.0 | 11.9% | 25.1% | .299 | 103 | 97 | 0.2 | Ricardo Jordan |
| Ethan Lindow | 6.5 | 2.9 | 1.7 | 7.3% | 16.3% | .296 | 83 | 121 | 0.2 | Kevin Pickford |
| Colton Eastman | 7.5 | 3.7 | 1.7 | 9.2% | 18.8% | .295 | 83 | 120 | 0.2 | Antonio Alfonseca |
| Adam Leverett | 6.8 | 4.1 | 1.4 | 10.0% | 16.8% | .297 | 83 | 121 | 0.2 | Ronnie Ray |
| Josh Hendrickson | 6.8 | 3.4 | 1.6 | 8.5% | 17.0% | .294 | 82 | 122 | 0.2 | Matt Blank |
| David Hale | 6.8 | 3.1 | 1.3 | 7.8% | 17.2% | .299 | 90 | 111 | 0.2 | A.J. Sager |
| Cam Bedrosian | 8.7 | 4.0 | 1.2 | 10.2% | 22.2% | .294 | 96 | 104 | 0.1 | Kevin Gryboski |
| Ian Kennedy | 10.5 | 3.0 | 1.8 | 7.9% | 27.6% | .291 | 98 | 102 | 0.1 | Jeff Montgomery |
| Hans Crouse | 7.5 | 4.1 | 1.7 | 10.2% | 18.5% | .291 | 80 | 126 | 0.1 | Arnie Gooch |
| Tyler Cyr | 9.2 | 4.8 | 1.2 | 12.0% | 22.8% | .304 | 95 | 105 | 0.1 | Jason Bulger |
| Kent Emanuel | 6.6 | 2.6 | 1.8 | 6.6% | 17.0% | .290 | 85 | 118 | 0.1 | Stubby Overmire |
| Kyle Glogoski | 7.8 | 5.6 | 1.1 | 13.4% | 18.8% | .295 | 82 | 122 | 0.0 | Ricky Steik |
| Joe Gatto | 8.2 | 4.4 | 1.2 | 11.0% | 20.3% | .296 | 87 | 115 | 0.0 | Steve Hoeme |
| Adonis Medina | 6.5 | 3.9 | 1.5 | 9.5% | 15.8% | .299 | 79 | 126 | 0.0 | Ben Christensen |
| Yoan López | 8.6 | 3.5 | 1.4 | 9.0% | 22.2% | .294 | 95 | 105 | 0.0 | Tom Gorman |
| Andrew Bellatti | 8.8 | 3.5 | 1.3 | 8.9% | 22.6% | .298 | 96 | 105 | 0.0 | Turk Wendell |
| Carlo Reyes | 8.0 | 4.0 | 1.4 | 9.9% | 19.8% | .298 | 89 | 113 | 0.0 | Willie Collazo |
| David Parkinson | 7.5 | 3.6 | 1.7 | 8.9% | 18.6% | .299 | 79 | 127 | 0.0 | Brian Dubois |
| Jake Newberry | 9.2 | 3.9 | 1.5 | 9.9% | 23.4% | .293 | 94 | 106 | 0.0 | Curt Schmidt |
| Taylor Lehman | 7.3 | 6.2 | 1.1 | 14.7% | 17.2% | .297 | 79 | 126 | 0.0 | Doug Capilla |
| Jakob Hernandez | 9.3 | 4.5 | 1.3 | 11.2% | 23.3% | .296 | 94 | 107 | 0.0 | Rob Murphy |
| Matt Moore | 8.2 | 4.0 | 1.8 | 10.0% | 20.3% | .299 | 79 | 126 | 0.0 | Larry McWilliams |
| Noah Skirrow | 6.4 | 4.6 | 1.4 | 11.0% | 15.6% | .298 | 79 | 126 | 0.0 | Bob Baldrick |
| Brandon Kintzler | 6.3 | 2.9 | 1.5 | 7.4% | 16.0% | .299 | 89 | 112 | -0.1 | Roy Face |
| Kyle Dohy | 10.6 | 6.4 | 1.0 | 15.7% | 26.0% | .295 | 92 | 108 | -0.1 | Armando Almanza |
| Rob Kaminsky | 8.6 | 4.8 | 1.2 | 12.0% | 21.6% | .295 | 91 | 110 | -0.1 | Dan Ricabal |
| JoJo Romero | 7.5 | 4.0 | 1.7 | 9.8% | 18.4% | .298 | 78 | 128 | -0.1 | Steve Bechler |
| Julian Garcia | 7.4 | 4.4 | 1.6 | 10.9% | 18.2% | .299 | 79 | 127 | -0.1 | Ben Ford |
| David Paulino | 8.0 | 3.6 | 1.8 | 9.1% | 20.1% | .297 | 81 | 124 | -0.1 | Rick Heiserman |
| Jack Perkins | 6.3 | 3.4 | 1.7 | 8.5% | 15.5% | .297 | 77 | 129 | -0.1 | Shawn Purdy |
| Ramón Rosso | 8.3 | 4.3 | 1.7 | 10.7% | 20.4% | .298 | 79 | 127 | -0.1 | Steve Bourgeois |
| Tyler Phillips | 6.8 | 3.3 | 2.0 | 8.2% | 16.9% | .295 | 76 | 132 | -0.1 | Shawn Purdy |
| Billy Sullivan | 9.1 | 5.2 | 1.6 | 12.7% | 22.5% | .295 | 84 | 119 | -0.1 | Bob Welch |
| Austin Ross | 8.4 | 5.4 | 1.2 | 13.2% | 20.5% | .297 | 85 | 117 | -0.2 | Pete Sikaras |
| Francisco Morales | 8.7 | 6.5 | 1.4 | 15.3% | 20.6% | .302 | 76 | 132 | -0.2 | Ray Chadwick |
| Brian Marconi | 8.3 | 5.5 | 1.1 | 13.3% | 20.2% | .299 | 85 | 117 | -0.3 | Gary Wayne |
| Michael Kelly | 9.2 | 5.4 | 1.4 | 13.3% | 22.6% | .291 | 83 | 121 | -0.3 | Marc Deschenes |
| Braeden Ogle | 8.7 | 4.8 | 1.5 | 11.8% | 21.4% | .299 | 85 | 118 | -0.3 | Josh Outman |
| Mike Adams | 6.7 | 4.7 | 1.1 | 11.4% | 16.4% | .300 | 83 | 120 | -0.3 | Casey Daigle |
| Taylor Guerrieri | 8.0 | 4.3 | 1.6 | 10.6% | 19.7% | .299 | 79 | 126 | -0.4 | Keith Shepherd |
| Matt Seelinger | 11.0 | 6.5 | 1.7 | 15.5% | 26.4% | .297 | 80 | 124 | -0.4 | Brian Wood |
| Braden Zarbnisky | 7.4 | 3.2 | 1.9 | 8.2% | 18.8% | .293 | 82 | 123 | -0.4 | Tim McClaskey |
| Tyler Carr | 6.6 | 4.4 | 1.4 | 10.8% | 16.3% | .293 | 83 | 121 | -0.4 | Greg Bauer |
| Brady Lail | 8.5 | 4.5 | 1.8 | 11.1% | 20.9% | .293 | 77 | 129 | -0.4 | Doug Gogolewski |
| Zach Warren | 10.4 | 6.8 | 1.6 | 16.4% | 24.8% | .293 | 79 | 126 | -0.5 | Steve Colyer |
| Blake Brown | 8.6 | 6.6 | 1.4 | 15.6% | 20.4% | .297 | 77 | 131 | -0.5 | Gene Altman |
| Mark Appel | 6.7 | 5.5 | 1.7 | 13.0% | 15.8% | .299 | 69 | 145 | -0.6 | Jarod Juelsgaard |
| Nick Lackney | 6.2 | 6.8 | 1.2 | 15.6% | 14.2% | .299 | 71 | 142 | -0.8 | Brian Adams |
| Jhordany Mezquita | 6.6 | 6.4 | 1.6 | 14.8% | 15.4% | .300 | 67 | 150 | -0.8 | Mike Johnston |
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They have to be a contender for worst player dev and scouting in baseball.
Whenever someone posts something like this on any team’s ZiPs projection I have to remind them that the Rangers are in a class of their own. On depth charts, the Rangers are only projected to receive about 6 wins from players who were homegrown, and 2.4 wins are supposed to come from Josh Jung who hasn’t even debuted yet.
And unlike the Angels and Phillies, Jon Daniels still runs the show for the Rangers. Kind of hard to blame the current group for Matt Klentak’s mistakes.
tell me about it! (read with the voice)
Don’t fret, Dan. Dave Dombrowski is in the house, and spending money to take a good team to great is what he does best.
When Kris Bryant is hanging out on the left side of the infield and Kevin Kiermaier is patrolling center field, it’s going to feel a lot different. Bryson Stott will play himself into the majors by midseason. That last rotation spot is probably going to be Martin Perez or some other filler rather than the 5th-starter-ish certainty that Johnny Cueto or Zack Greinke represent but who knows. They won’t be the favorites because the Mets decided to go nuclear and the Braves won the world series. But with how old and injured the Mets roster is / has been and the fact that the Braves hit lightning in a bottle I think they’ve got a better shot than it looks.
Ehh, I think they have much more need for Kris Bryant hanging out on the left side of the outfield.
Eh- while his defensive metrics have fallen off at third base over the years he’s still a decent sized upgrade over Bohm defensively.
Yep–something that escapes attention for the Phillies too often is that the infield defense is bad. Really, really bad. There’s no way they can keep running out an infield with Hoskins, Gregorius, and Bohm. They probably can’t even keep running out an defense with two of them, at least not for the whole year. Hoskins isn’t going anywhere, so that means Bohm probably winds up traded to a team that can hope he learns to play third base and Gregorius winds up as a utility guy once Stott gets called up.
If the Phillies fail to sign any of Bryant, Story, or Correa it’s going to be a long year. Correa probably isn’t in the cards, but Bryant or Story could be.
they need to try a better grass-crew at this point!
That’s true – Bohm’s defense is nothing special – but even with his questionable defense, he’s projected for 5x the WAR than the black hole in LF. He’s not their most glaring problem by a long shot.
If the Phillies have been running on easy mode, Dave Dombrowski is likely to turn that dial up to 11. Signing big name free agents and trading away the farm is what he does best. Might not be the worst thing short term as this team could compete with a few key additions. Unfortunately the farm is pretty thin already but I’m sure he’ll thin it out even more. I doubt Mick Abel ever pitches for the Phillies at the major league level. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Phillies fielded a playoff caliber team over the next few years but the Phillies 3-4 years from now might look a lot like the 2019 Tigers.
Turning the dial up to 11 is exactly how an MLB team can get more wins and maybe make the playoffs. At 10, a .500 team just can’t get more than 81 wins. But at 11, a .500 team might be able to get 90 wins. Especially if they give it more than 100% effort as well.
Or they’ll continue to be the NL Angels.
Well, if they can’t develop young players, trading them before they fail may be the best hope! Some tongue in cheek there, but, some truth, too.
Dombrowski gets all kind of grief, but, he kept Detroit, who had similar player development issues, competitive for 8-9 years trading top “prospects” like Andrew Miller, Cam Maybin, Humberto Sanchez, Chance Ruffin, Jacob Turner, etc for guys like Miggy, Sheffield, Doug Fister, Omar Infante, Anibal Sanchez & Jhonny Peralta. He never got burned until 2014 when he traded Adames as part of David Price trade (which you could argue was the price for a Top 5 pitcher with 1yr+ control left)) & then after the season, traded Robbie Ray (who he had gotten from Washington for Fister) for Shane Greene & traded Eugenio Suarez for Alfredo Simon. (Oof!)
It’s funny, you look at his trades and you can repeatedly say he lost on future value and yet his teams kept winning divisions, pennants, and championships. Some of this is because he was able to run enormous budgets. But he realizes two things that a lot of other teams haven’t figured out. First, you tend to win as much as you lose when you trade–some trades will make you look terrible, others will make you look good. And second, that present value is more valuable than future value. Way, way more valuable.
The most extreme example I can think of is when he was with the Marlins, he traded Trevor Hoffman in a deal that brought back Gary Sheffield. Trading away a future hall of famer isn’t a good look, but Sheffield helped the Marlins win a championship. A slightly less extreme example is trading Yoan Moncada for Chris Sale. Sure, Moncada’s going to put up more value for the White Sox than Sale will for the Red Sox, but flags fly forever.
& that some of these prospects may succeed, but, for many of them it’s going to be years. Andrew Miller became a good pitcher..about 6 years after they traded him. Maybin had a 4 win season 4 years after they traded him (& that was about it). Even Adames, who has probably become the best of the Detroit guys he traded, didn’t debut for 4 years. In a job where 1-2 bad years can mean your job, it’s tough to “hold” wins in 4-5 years for wins today, esp if the team is competitive.
Hold onto those guys & heck, he may be out of a job by the time they become something.
The other thing he was great with was the veterans he traded for almost all worked out,which is another way to get in trouble trading prospects for veterans, if the vets stink or get hurt. In Detroit, I can only think of Dontrelle Willis (in the Cabrera trade) & Alfredo Simon that were veterans that totally flamed out after coming to Detroit. Heck, he even won the Grandy/Edwin Jackson/Ian Kennedy 3 way trade with AZ & NYY by getting Austin Jackson & Scherzer in the deal.
This is exactly the Dombrowski story that gets overlooked. He does a really great job of evaluating young talent and picking the right prospects to trade and the right ones to target. For a guy with a reputation of “selling the farm” I don’t think it’s a coincidence that he didn’t trade Verlander, didn’t trade Castellanos, didn’t trade Devers, Vazquez, ERod, Porcello, Granderson, etc.
And when you look at the young talent he’s brought on board, it’s a remarkably more impressive list of names than what he’s given up. I’d argue Dombrowski isn’t even good at spending free agent money. He’s been a successful executive on account of his trading acumen and he gets defamed for it.
This is better than I could have described DD. He often gets lambasted in today’s prospect hugging world, but the point, ultimately, is to win at the MLB level. He’s done that basically at every stop with success.
As an aside, I have to think he’s gotta be a HOF executive, right? Won two WS, built the core that won another in Florida, had Detroit in contention for nearly a decade, and built up the last good Montreal teams. That’s an incredibly diverse resume.
The real problem with Dombrowski’s MO is twofold. One is that it doesn’t lend itself to sustained success over the long term. Even when you are constantly making smart moves, the well runs dry, like it did near the end of his time in Detroit. I don’t think that’s much of a critique, though. Fans would love to have a run like his Detroit teams had.
The second is that his strategy relies on him being way smarter than other teams. He doesn’t have a lot of expertise with building out an analytical front office. The front office in Detroit was not very advanced that way even for the time, and in Boston there was a very strong foundation already in place. Given how frequently he trades, if he starts making evaluation errors in comparison with other teams he’s going to be giving away a ton of talent. But there’s no evidence that’s happened yet.
If you’re willing to pay the luxury tax at some point and want to win now, Dombrowski still probably has the killer instinct to get your teams into the playoffs. How much longer, I can’t say…but any concern that the Phillies aren’t prioritizing the present enough seem unlikely to be a legitimate problem as long as Dombrowski is there.
Dombrowski competed for a decade in Detroit. How is that not “long term” in the baseball world? From 06-14, he won five division titles, and had one season under .500. Yes, the well ran dry eventually, but that can happen if you’re built mostly internally and have a series of developmental failures that short circuits a rebuild (pretty much like these current Phillies).
Really happy to see the Chance Ruffin reference here. My wife’s family is from Toledo; we had a wedding party at a Mudhens game; my wife got to throw out the first pitch; Chance Ruffin caught it, and called it a strike. Excellent pitch framer (for a pitcher). We’ve still got his autographed ball.
Well I’d call trading Randy Johnson for Mark Langston a bigger loss than Trevor Hoffman or Willy Adames
There are some pretty fun comps in the pitching section.
Mitch Williams for Jose Alvarado is a hoot.
I love the Mike Morgan – Kyle Gibson comp. Just feels right.
I would just like to thank the mention of Jankowski for reminding me of the commentor here during the season who was fervently convinced that the addition of a 4th option year would benefit players because the Phillies valued Jankowski so much they did not want to call him up for a couple games as a stopgap because they’d risk losing him on waivers to send him back down afterwards. Months later, and it’s still funny as shit.
“the Phillies as an organization feel a lot to me like the Angels do. Both have significant high points on their roster: the Angels with Mike Trout, Shohei Ohtani, and Anthony Rendon, the Phillies with Bryce Harper, J.T. Realmuto, Aaron Nola, and Zack Wheeler. ”
Just imagine if all seven of those players were on the same team. It would be pretty amazing. All we have to do is combine the Angels and Phillies and we’ll finally get Trout and Ohtani into the playoffs…
This is a fun game you’ve come up with. I want to play.
1) What two teams can you combine to have the highest projected win total?
2) What two teams can you combine to have the highest projected win total over each of the two teams by themselves?
3) What two teams can you combine to have the lowest projected win total?
4) What two teams can you combine to have the lowest projected win total over each of the two teams by themselves?
#1 and #3 are probably straightforward combinations. #1 is probably the Dodgers with someone, maybe the Blue Jays, Mets, or Padres. #3 is probably just the Rockies with the Pirates or Orioles. But #2 and #4 are hard. I would guess that Angels and Phillies are a probably answer to #2. Each one is probably an 84-win team alone but combined would win something crazy, like 115 games.
Another interesting, but depressing question for one team, is which combined teams would be least changed from one roster? E.g. combining the Dodgers and Pirates into one best team would really just be the Dodgers current roster.
Bryan Reynolds and David Bednar would definitely play for the Dodgers. Otherwise…yeah.
Bonus: The Dodgers would get Oneil Cruz back. It would be bonkers if the Dodgers ownership made so much money they could buy another franchise and then ship high draft picks and high-value international signings back to the parent club like a colonial power stripping the land of natural resources.
Or like the Yankees with the Kansas City A’s in the 1950’s/60’s!
I believe there were two late 19th century teams with the same owner that did just that….I think it was the St. Louis Browns strip mining the Cleveland Spiders this way.
Also, the Mantle-era Yankees regularly mined the Kansas City Athletics of their rising young talent such as Roger Maris, though to the best of my knowledge the Yanks had no ownership stake in the A’s
Yes–there are a ton of teams that repeatedly steal talent from less effective and/or poorer franchises but the St. Louis Browns and Cleveland Spiders is exactly what I was thinking of. Good catch!
Apparently, as a result of their actions, new rules were passed so that an ownership group could never do that again. If you did it today, you would essentially be buying the first pick in every round of every draft in addition to your own; you’d also double the international bonus pool, as well as have a convenient outlet to sidestep luxury tax issues.
Didn’t you just describe the circa-1920s/30s Philadelphia Athletics?
I’m not sure that’s quite the same thing. Wasn’t that just Connie Mack being a bad GM?
You could try and do something similar to it if you found a way to send huge sums of cash to another franchise in exchange for any player of value. But the commissioner has to approve any trade where more than $1M is going around. Also, the much easier way to raise huge sums of cash is to ditch the team for hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars.
The A’s breakup of the early 30’s wasn’t a bad GM thing, it was a financial issue. Remember it was the early days of the Depression, and people had better things to worry about than going to afternoon baseball games. Money was scarce for an owner that never had a whole lot of money and didn’t have a another financial concern to fill his pockets. It was a straight contract dump of a historically great team.
I’ve done some playing around with this, and yes, the Angels are just head-and-shoulders above the rest. The trick is to combine two stars-and-scrubs rosters whose best players play at different positions, because they’ll have almost no value lost by having their scrubs replaced. It makes me think of those mid-2010s White Sox teams too, with Sale, Quintana, Abreu, and Eaton, but often not a lot else — it’s the same reason they were able to get so much in trade when they eventually tore down.
Yep Hahn probably had to convince Riesdorf to finally rip the bandage off if only the Phillies did the same say in 2013 and traded Lee and Utley for big returns they’d be in good shape a couple years ago and had already ended their playoff drought.
don’t forget Hoskins at 1b and Syndergard as the 4th starter! Trout back to cf. Walsh in lf? Segura second. Who plays short? Gregorius? Three very good 5th starters in Suarez, Suarez and Sandoval (lawyers in Miami?) probably the best team in baseball. I say probably only cause the dodgers seem intent of paying for that title every offseason and the gloves are still mostly weak!
Fletcher at SS, though that team would probably still want to look for an upgrade there!
I love the thought experiment …
C – Realmuto
1B – Hoskins/Walsh
2B – Segura
SS – Fletcher/Gregorius/Stott
3B – Rendon
LF – Upton
CF – Trout
RF – Harper
DH – Ohtani/Hoskins
SP – Ohtani
SP – Wheeler
SP – Nola
SP – Syndergaad
SP – Suarez/Suarez/Sandoval
Bullpen with Iglesias, Knebel, Loup, Falter, Dominguez, Brogdon, Mayers, Detmers, and the extra starters.
Definitely would be competitive!
Depressingly accurate.
is it me, or is Terrance Long a comp more than his fair share of these Zip analysis,
As a Nat Fan from day 1, I feel obligated to boo the Philles at all times!!!
An 84 win team can go on a successful postseason run if they make it in. It can fill gaping holes midseason like Atlanta and Oakland did in 2021. OK they’re spending $100m more than those teams. It’s still a pretty hopeful place to be for a fan.
Kiermayer, Kimbrel, Greinke, Brett Gardner and Matt Chapman would make this team at least a division Co-favorite. They’re all very available. This seems like Dombrowski’s wheelhouse.
“and while the Harper-Trout battle has long been lost…”
Even money that Bryce Harper finishes with more career WAR than Trout.
Even money? If Trout retires tomorrow, Harper still needs to repeat his 2021 season *7* more times.
I did look at the career WAR differences; I also see Harper is a bit over a year younger and has been much healthier over his career. Harper also has the skill set that could see him hang around the league for another 10-12 years accumulating, while Trout (who I actually like more) has a body type that rarely seems to last. Perhaps a shift to DH will help Trout?
I would also bet more than even money that there are more future 9 WAR seasons in Harper than there are in Trout.
Not a chance. I’m a Harper fan, but Trout’s numbers pre-2021 have been simply amazing. Look at the WAR – at age 29, he’s already the 75th best of all-time (Harper, one year younger, is in 531st.) In every season in which Trout has played more than 50 games, he’s finished in the top 5 of MVP voting.
That’s a quick look, but really – One can legitimately argue that Trout is a Hall of Famer NOW. Harper is well behind, too far behind.
I’m not talking about the past, I’m talking about the future.