2022 ZiPS Projections: Tampa Bay Rays
After having typically appeared in the hallowed pages of Baseball Think Factory, Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections have now been released at FanGraphs for a decade. The exercise continues this offseason. Below are the projections for the Tampa Bay Rays.
Batters
Which team in baseball has the best middle infield? I imagine most fans would likely say the Rangers (Corey Seager and Marcus Semien) or the Padres (Fernando Tatis Jr. and mostly Jake Cronenworth). The Rays are another possible answer, though. Wander Franco’s very quickly become a star, and Brandon Lowe is my pick for the most underrated second baseman in the game. I talked quite a lot about Franco’s outlook when he he signed his big ol’ contract extension, so I won’t rehash that here. Confusingly, Lowe wasn’t even one of the American League’s four Silver Slugger finalists at second base in 2021, as his .863 OPS apparently wasn’t up to the standards of DJ LeMahieu (.711 OPS, about half his games not at second). I would be surprised if the best middle infield came from a team other than these three.
The rest of the lineup looks, well, like a Rays lineup. There are very few players who aren’t underdogs for a spot on the All-Star team, the closest being Austin Meadows. Meadows always has to “beat out” his injury history, and when he does, as he managed in most of 2019, he’s a very dangerous hitter. When looking at the advanced hit data for Meadows, ZiPS thought he should have had a .282 BABIP in 2021, well above his quite disappointing .249. But that’s good news in a way; he was still an average player despite a down BABIP year.
The theme of being rock-solid but not spectacular persists everywhere else. Except for arguably at first base, ZiPS doesn’t see the Rays as meaningfully below-average anywhere. And these numbers aren’t really even that far from the likely floors, as the usual supporting cast of reserves and Triple-A talent is ready and waiting and will likely be buttressed by the Rays’ usual minor league signings, which they haven’t really engaged in much so far this winter. The last time Tampa finished in the bottom third of the league in WAR for position players was 2006:
| Team | Year |
|---|---|
| St. Louis Cardinals | 1988 |
| Boston Red Sox | 2006 |
| Tampa Bay Rays | 2006 |
| Los Angeles Dodgers | 2012 |
| New York Mets | 2013 |
| Chicago Cubs | 2014 |
| Cleveland Guardians | 2014 |
| Atlanta Braves | 2016 |
| Minnesota Twins | 2016 |
| New York Yankees | 2016 |
| Oakland Athletics | 2016 |
| Philadelphia Phillies | 2018 |
| San Diego Padres | 2018 |
| Chicago White Sox | 2019 |
| San Francisco Giants | 2019 |
| Toronto Blue Jays | 2019 |
| Cincinnati Reds | 2020 |
| Houston Astros | 2020 |
| Milwaukee Brewers | 2020 |
| Washington Nationals | 2020 |
| Arizona Diamondbacks | 2021 |
| Baltimore Orioles | 2021 |
| Colorado Rockies | 2021 |
| Detroit Tigers | 2021 |
| Kansas City Royals | 2021 |
| Los Angeles Angels | 2021 |
| Miami Marlins | 2021 |
| Pittsburgh Pirates | 2021 |
| Seattle Mariners | 2021 |
| Texas Rangers | 2021 |
Even great teams put up a stinker season once in a while, and only three have avoided finishing in the bottom-third for position players in the last decade. (As an organization, the Cardinals may be really good at this baseball stuff.)
Pitchers
The pitching staff might be even more Rays-y than the lineup. ERA+ projections above 100 are the rule here rather than the exception. Even when you filter out the players who are unsigned free agents and the pitchers with the most serious injury issues (Tyler Glasnow, Yonny Chirinos, Nick Anderson, Brendan McKay), you still end up with 18 pitchers projected over 100. Only Glasnow is practically guaranteed to miss most, if not all, of the 2022 season. The Rays pitching staff could all participate in an ill-conceived National Lick a School Doorknob Day and still have enough pitchers not on the roster to field an entire staff of above-replacement hurlers. Despite this depth, the highest WAR projection for a Ray is Shane McClanahan’s at just 2.0. Only the Twins and Pirates so far have a lower top-projected WAR.
Now, could any of these guys turn out to be a fairly conventional ace pitcher? ZiPS gives McClanahan and Shane Baz the best chances of doing that, should the Rays use them in a way that allows for that sort of thing. Of course, the Rays don’t do conventional very often.
If you’re looking for a deep-dive guy on the farm, ZiPS is quite interested in Ian Seymour, a second-round draft pick in 2020 out of Virginia Tech. A not-very-big lefty, Seymour broke out in the Cape Cod League in 2019 and struck out just under two batters per inning in his four starts in 2020. A fastball-changeup-slider guy (the changeup is his best pitch), he pitches on the third-base side of the rubber and comes right at righties, and had no real platoon splits in the minors in 2021. After dominating in A-ball last year, the Rays aggressively promoted him to High- and then Triple-A within three weeks, getting him five innings in each of his starts for 28 strikeouts against only six walks, 10 hits, and a single homer. It would be a very Rays thing if Seymour got 40 innings in a swing role late in the summer and ended up on a playoff roster, resulting in every fan having to suddenly look up who this guy is.

Ballpark graphic courtesy Eephus League. Depth charts constructed by way of those listed here.
| Player | B | Age | PO | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | CS |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Brandon Lowe | L | 27 | 2B | 568 | 499 | 83 | 123 | 27 | 2 | 33 | 95 | 58 | 165 | 7 | 1 |
| Wander Franco | B | 21 | SS | 536 | 487 | 85 | 138 | 27 | 8 | 16 | 71 | 41 | 73 | 8 | 6 |
| Austin Meadows | L | 27 | LF | 591 | 526 | 80 | 136 | 31 | 4 | 29 | 102 | 54 | 128 | 8 | 4 |
| Randy Arozarena | R | 27 | LF | 572 | 503 | 82 | 129 | 27 | 3 | 20 | 65 | 49 | 152 | 20 | 11 |
| Mike Zunino | R | 31 | C | 352 | 318 | 47 | 63 | 13 | 1 | 22 | 54 | 27 | 126 | 0 | 0 |
| Nelson Cruz | R | 41 | 1B | 513 | 456 | 66 | 117 | 16 | 1 | 27 | 79 | 44 | 125 | 2 | 0 |
| Kevin Kiermaier | L | 32 | CF | 414 | 377 | 51 | 88 | 18 | 7 | 7 | 41 | 30 | 101 | 11 | 5 |
| Francisco Mejía | B | 26 | C | 334 | 304 | 36 | 76 | 17 | 3 | 9 | 38 | 19 | 65 | 0 | 0 |
| Brett Phillips | L | 28 | CF | 380 | 327 | 50 | 60 | 9 | 6 | 12 | 42 | 45 | 144 | 17 | 2 |
| Yandy Díaz | R | 30 | 1B | 486 | 422 | 58 | 111 | 20 | 1 | 11 | 53 | 58 | 77 | 1 | 1 |
| Curtis Mead | R | 21 | 3B | 479 | 441 | 60 | 109 | 22 | 1 | 13 | 52 | 28 | 100 | 6 | 3 |
| Taylor Walls | B | 25 | SS | 431 | 379 | 48 | 83 | 19 | 2 | 7 | 39 | 44 | 116 | 16 | 9 |
| Vidal Bruján | B | 24 | 2B | 477 | 437 | 57 | 101 | 21 | 3 | 8 | 45 | 35 | 92 | 38 | 9 |
| Josh Lowe | L | 24 | CF | 496 | 438 | 63 | 102 | 21 | 2 | 15 | 57 | 47 | 150 | 20 | 3 |
| Cal Stevenson | L | 25 | CF | 416 | 362 | 52 | 82 | 13 | 2 | 6 | 34 | 46 | 93 | 12 | 5 |
| Manuel Margot | R | 27 | RF | 476 | 434 | 57 | 108 | 22 | 4 | 10 | 52 | 37 | 86 | 15 | 8 |
| René Pinto | R | 25 | C | 366 | 339 | 37 | 73 | 16 | 1 | 9 | 37 | 21 | 110 | 3 | 2 |
| Ji-Man Choi | L | 31 | 1B | 376 | 318 | 40 | 72 | 16 | 1 | 12 | 48 | 51 | 105 | 1 | 1 |
| Miles Mastrobuoni | L | 26 | SS | 444 | 402 | 50 | 96 | 14 | 3 | 5 | 32 | 38 | 107 | 7 | 7 |
| Xavier Edwards | B | 22 | 2B | 426 | 387 | 54 | 100 | 15 | 3 | 3 | 30 | 30 | 65 | 15 | 8 |
| Austin Shenton | L | 24 | 3B | 365 | 331 | 45 | 74 | 17 | 1 | 8 | 40 | 26 | 99 | 1 | 0 |
| Esteban Quiroz | L | 30 | 2B | 302 | 262 | 40 | 58 | 14 | 0 | 8 | 36 | 33 | 76 | 1 | 0 |
| Greg Jones | B | 24 | SS | 322 | 294 | 33 | 63 | 10 | 2 | 7 | 26 | 23 | 103 | 18 | 3 |
| Connor Hollis | R | 27 | 2B | 277 | 252 | 29 | 57 | 12 | 1 | 5 | 19 | 18 | 63 | 7 | 2 |
| Jonathan Aranda | L | 24 | 1B | 403 | 358 | 48 | 84 | 15 | 2 | 9 | 38 | 32 | 94 | 3 | 1 |
| Tristan Gray | L | 26 | SS | 391 | 353 | 41 | 72 | 16 | 3 | 10 | 38 | 30 | 112 | 1 | 4 |
| Brett Wisely | L | 23 | 2B | 455 | 421 | 58 | 100 | 15 | 1 | 12 | 50 | 28 | 116 | 13 | 4 |
| Ford Proctor | L | 25 | C | 433 | 380 | 50 | 79 | 15 | 1 | 7 | 34 | 45 | 118 | 4 | 4 |
| Brendan McKay | L | 26 | 1B | 154 | 134 | 15 | 28 | 4 | 0 | 4 | 12 | 16 | 43 | 0 | 0 |
| Logan Driscoll | L | 24 | C | 233 | 214 | 23 | 46 | 10 | 1 | 5 | 20 | 14 | 67 | 1 | 1 |
| Ryan Boldt | L | 27 | LF | 305 | 278 | 32 | 60 | 12 | 2 | 7 | 28 | 21 | 95 | 9 | 2 |
| Erik Ostberg | L | 26 | C | 216 | 199 | 23 | 41 | 6 | 1 | 5 | 20 | 15 | 66 | 0 | 1 |
| Luis Trevino | R | 26 | C | 141 | 131 | 15 | 29 | 6 | 0 | 2 | 11 | 8 | 30 | 0 | 1 |
| Blake Hunt | R | 23 | C | 341 | 313 | 32 | 59 | 12 | 1 | 7 | 27 | 24 | 100 | 1 | 0 |
| Alika Williams | R | 23 | SS | 384 | 355 | 46 | 80 | 13 | 0 | 5 | 30 | 16 | 80 | 4 | 4 |
| Kameron Misner | L | 24 | CF | 438 | 397 | 47 | 79 | 16 | 1 | 8 | 38 | 34 | 140 | 13 | 2 |
| Ruben Cardenas | R | 24 | LF | 474 | 439 | 50 | 97 | 16 | 3 | 12 | 49 | 25 | 133 | 5 | 5 |
| Jim Haley | R | 27 | 3B | 415 | 384 | 38 | 75 | 13 | 1 | 11 | 37 | 20 | 135 | 14 | 3 |
| Dillon Paulson | L | 25 | 1B | 423 | 371 | 45 | 66 | 18 | 2 | 10 | 40 | 47 | 146 | 2 | 1 |
| Niko Hulsizer | R | 25 | RF | 387 | 345 | 44 | 62 | 15 | 1 | 13 | 43 | 35 | 159 | 6 | 2 |
| Joseph Odom | R | 30 | C | 283 | 262 | 23 | 47 | 11 | 0 | 5 | 22 | 17 | 101 | 0 | 0 |
| Player | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS+ | ISO | BABIP | RC/27 | Def | WAR | No. 1 Comp |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Brandon Lowe | .246 | .333 | .507 | 130 | .261 | .299 | 6.2 | 1 | 4.4 | Chase Utley |
| Wander Franco | .283 | .340 | .470 | 124 | .187 | .307 | 5.9 | 4 | 4.2 | Barry Larkin |
| Austin Meadows | .259 | .332 | .498 | 128 | .240 | .290 | 6.0 | 1 | 3.4 | Kevin McReynolds |
| Randy Arozarena | .256 | .339 | .441 | 116 | .185 | .329 | 5.4 | -4 | 2.0 | Matt Holliday |
| Mike Zunino | .198 | .273 | .453 | 98 | .255 | .241 | 4.2 | 4 | 2.0 | Dave Duncan |
| Nelson Cruz | .257 | .327 | .474 | 120 | .217 | .296 | 5.7 | -1 | 1.9 | Jim Rice |
| Kevin Kiermaier | .233 | .297 | .374 | 86 | .141 | .301 | 3.9 | 9 | 1.7 | Dewayne Wise |
| Francisco Mejía | .250 | .306 | .414 | 99 | .164 | .291 | 4.6 | 1 | 1.6 | Dave Engle |
| Brett Phillips | .183 | .284 | .358 | 78 | .174 | .281 | 3.8 | 9 | 1.6 | Louie Meadows |
| Yandy Díaz | .263 | .352 | .393 | 109 | .130 | .299 | 5.0 | -1 | 1.4 | Keith Moreland |
| Curtis Mead | .247 | .296 | .390 | 90 | .143 | .293 | 4.1 | 2 | 1.3 | Joe Crede |
| Taylor Walls | .219 | .301 | .335 | 78 | .116 | .297 | 3.4 | 6 | 1.3 | Cesar Crespo |
| Vidal Bruján | .231 | .290 | .348 | 78 | .117 | .276 | 4.0 | 3 | 1.2 | Nelson Liriano |
| Josh Lowe | .233 | .308 | .393 | 94 | .160 | .319 | 4.6 | -7 | 1.1 | Scott Lusader |
| Cal Stevenson | .227 | .313 | .323 | 79 | .097 | .289 | 3.6 | 4 | 1.0 | Rick Manning |
| Manuel Margot | .249 | .307 | .387 | 93 | .138 | .290 | 4.3 | 4 | 0.9 | Ira Smith |
| René Pinto | .215 | .266 | .348 | 70 | .133 | .291 | 3.2 | 6 | 0.9 | Craig Colbert |
| Ji-Man Choi | .226 | .335 | .396 | 104 | .170 | .299 | 4.6 | -2 | 0.8 | Tony Clark |
| Miles Mastrobuoni | .239 | .305 | .326 | 77 | .087 | .314 | 3.3 | 2 | 0.8 | Kevin Stocker |
| Xavier Edwards | .258 | .313 | .336 | 82 | .078 | .304 | 3.8 | 1 | 0.7 | William Suero |
| Austin Shenton | .224 | .288 | .353 | 79 | .130 | .295 | 3.6 | 2 | 0.6 | Phillip Cuadrado |
| Esteban Quiroz | .221 | .316 | .366 | 90 | .145 | .281 | 4.0 | -3 | 0.6 | Ron Warner |
| Greg Jones | .214 | .280 | .333 | 71 | .119 | .304 | 3.6 | 1 | 0.6 | Buddy Biancalana |
| Connor Hollis | .226 | .290 | .341 | 76 | .115 | .283 | 3.6 | 2 | 0.5 | Rob Mummau |
| Jonathan Aranda | .235 | .305 | .363 | 86 | .128 | .294 | 3.9 | 2 | 0.4 | Chris Pritchett |
| Tristan Gray | .204 | .272 | .351 | 73 | .147 | .268 | 3.0 | 2 | 0.4 | Todd Carey |
| Brett Wisely | .238 | .285 | .363 | 80 | .126 | .300 | 3.8 | -5 | 0.1 | Ruben Santana |
| Ford Proctor | .208 | .295 | .308 | 70 | .100 | .282 | 3.0 | -4 | 0.0 | Doug Newstrom |
| Brendan McKay | .209 | .299 | .328 | 76 | .119 | .276 | 3.3 | 1 | 0.0 | Bryan Peck |
| Logan Driscoll | .215 | .267 | .341 | 69 | .126 | .289 | 3.1 | -2 | -0.1 | Eric Helfand |
| Ryan Boldt | .216 | .276 | .349 | 74 | .133 | .301 | 3.5 | 1 | -0.2 | Jalal Leach |
| Erik Ostberg | .206 | .264 | .322 | 63 | .116 | .281 | 2.8 | -2 | -0.3 | Larry Owen |
| Luis Trevino | .221 | .277 | .313 | 65 | .092 | .273 | 2.8 | -3 | -0.3 | Wyatt Toregas |
| Blake Hunt | .188 | .250 | .300 | 53 | .112 | .252 | 2.5 | 0 | -0.4 | Walt McKeel |
| Alika Williams | .225 | .261 | .304 | 58 | .079 | .278 | 2.7 | 0 | -0.5 | Jorge Velandia |
| Kameron Misner | .199 | .268 | .305 | 60 | .106 | .285 | 3.0 | -2 | -0.5 | Francisco Plasencia |
| Ruben Cardenas | .221 | .265 | .353 | 71 | .132 | .289 | 3.1 | 2 | -0.6 | Dan Wagner |
| Jim Haley | .195 | .245 | .320 | 56 | .125 | .269 | 2.8 | 0 | -0.7 | Henry Calderon |
| Dillon Paulson | .178 | .270 | .318 | 64 | .140 | .260 | 2.8 | 3 | -0.8 | Greg Thomas |
| Niko Hulsizer | .180 | .264 | .342 | 68 | .162 | .283 | 3.0 | -2 | -0.9 | Adam Bonner |
| Joseph Odom | .179 | .234 | .279 | 43 | .099 | .269 | 2.1 | -3 | -1.0 | Charlie Greene |
| Player | T | Age | W | L | ERA | G | GS | IP | H | ER | HR | BB | SO | FIP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Shane McClanahan | L | 25 | 10 | 7 | 3.86 | 26 | 25 | 126.0 | 115 | 54 | 18 | 42 | 143 | 3.86 |
| Ryan Yarbrough | L | 30 | 9 | 7 | 4.01 | 29 | 18 | 146.0 | 145 | 65 | 18 | 30 | 115 | 4.01 |
| Tyler Glasnow | R | 28 | 5 | 3 | 3.34 | 15 | 15 | 89.0 | 65 | 33 | 12 | 32 | 126 | 3.21 |
| Yonny Chirinos | R | 28 | 7 | 6 | 3.96 | 27 | 19 | 131.7 | 123 | 58 | 17 | 32 | 112 | 4.00 |
| Shane Baz | R | 23 | 6 | 4 | 3.49 | 20 | 20 | 85.0 | 73 | 33 | 10 | 27 | 98 | 3.50 |
| Corey Kluber | R | 36 | 6 | 4 | 3.75 | 18 | 18 | 93.7 | 87 | 39 | 12 | 28 | 93 | 3.88 |
| Andrew Kittredge | R | 32 | 6 | 3 | 3.09 | 55 | 5 | 70.0 | 61 | 24 | 7 | 14 | 78 | 2.98 |
| Tommy Romero | R | 24 | 6 | 5 | 4.11 | 24 | 22 | 107.3 | 98 | 49 | 16 | 36 | 111 | 4.20 |
| Jalen Beeks | L | 28 | 6 | 5 | 4.19 | 36 | 8 | 116.0 | 117 | 54 | 15 | 43 | 109 | 4.30 |
| Brendan McKay | L | 26 | 4 | 4 | 4.06 | 20 | 18 | 75.3 | 69 | 34 | 11 | 27 | 79 | 4.14 |
| Drew Rasmussen | R | 26 | 4 | 3 | 3.89 | 39 | 11 | 81.0 | 69 | 35 | 10 | 33 | 91 | 3.83 |
| Jacob Lopez | L | 24 | 3 | 2 | 3.77 | 16 | 12 | 59.7 | 55 | 25 | 6 | 23 | 60 | 3.78 |
| Luis Patiño | R | 22 | 6 | 6 | 4.42 | 28 | 22 | 106.0 | 98 | 52 | 16 | 43 | 111 | 4.41 |
| Josh Fleming | L | 26 | 9 | 9 | 4.42 | 29 | 13 | 114.0 | 123 | 56 | 16 | 28 | 77 | 4.52 |
| Ian Seymour | L | 23 | 3 | 2 | 3.81 | 15 | 14 | 54.3 | 48 | 23 | 6 | 23 | 59 | 3.88 |
| Collin McHugh | R | 35 | 4 | 3 | 3.62 | 36 | 6 | 59.7 | 49 | 24 | 8 | 18 | 69 | 3.67 |
| Matt Wisler | R | 29 | 5 | 4 | 3.68 | 45 | 5 | 63.7 | 56 | 26 | 9 | 19 | 77 | 3.59 |
| Pete Fairbanks | R | 28 | 7 | 4 | 3.31 | 50 | 2 | 51.7 | 42 | 19 | 6 | 21 | 69 | 3.35 |
| Chris Archer | R | 33 | 4 | 4 | 4.39 | 18 | 18 | 82.0 | 78 | 40 | 12 | 34 | 91 | 4.22 |
| Jayden Murray | R | 25 | 5 | 5 | 4.41 | 20 | 20 | 81.7 | 83 | 40 | 11 | 25 | 65 | 4.44 |
| Easton McGee | R | 24 | 4 | 4 | 4.52 | 21 | 20 | 87.7 | 93 | 44 | 12 | 23 | 63 | 4.48 |
| Colin Poche | L | 28 | 7 | 5 | 3.79 | 64 | 2 | 73.7 | 57 | 31 | 11 | 26 | 94 | 3.83 |
| Brooks Raley | L | 34 | 4 | 2 | 3.36 | 62 | 0 | 61.7 | 53 | 23 | 4 | 27 | 66 | 3.39 |
| Miller Hogan | R | 25 | 5 | 4 | 4.20 | 27 | 8 | 70.7 | 72 | 33 | 9 | 18 | 56 | 4.18 |
| Chris Mazza | R | 32 | 3 | 3 | 4.11 | 32 | 8 | 70.0 | 67 | 32 | 9 | 24 | 65 | 4.24 |
| Jeffrey Springs | L | 29 | 4 | 3 | 3.42 | 41 | 1 | 50.0 | 40 | 19 | 6 | 20 | 69 | 3.24 |
| Jack Labosky | R | 25 | 3 | 3 | 4.30 | 30 | 9 | 73.3 | 76 | 35 | 10 | 19 | 55 | 4.39 |
| Colby White | R | 23 | 4 | 3 | 3.54 | 43 | 1 | 53.3 | 46 | 21 | 6 | 23 | 61 | 3.82 |
| Oliver Drake | R | 35 | 4 | 3 | 3.74 | 60 | 1 | 65.0 | 54 | 27 | 7 | 23 | 69 | 3.56 |
| Caleb Sampen | R | 25 | 4 | 4 | 4.54 | 15 | 14 | 67.3 | 70 | 34 | 7 | 28 | 46 | 4.59 |
| Phoenix Sanders | R | 27 | 4 | 3 | 3.64 | 48 | 0 | 59.3 | 52 | 24 | 7 | 21 | 64 | 3.77 |
| Ryan Thompson | R | 30 | 3 | 2 | 3.55 | 35 | 1 | 33.0 | 30 | 13 | 4 | 8 | 33 | 3.57 |
| Nick Anderson | R | 31 | 3 | 2 | 3.47 | 39 | 0 | 36.3 | 30 | 14 | 5 | 11 | 43 | 3.59 |
| JT Chargois | R | 31 | 4 | 3 | 3.70 | 52 | 0 | 48.7 | 41 | 20 | 5 | 23 | 53 | 4.00 |
| Trevor Brigden | R | 26 | 5 | 4 | 3.89 | 29 | 2 | 44.0 | 42 | 19 | 5 | 15 | 40 | 4.07 |
| Dietrich Enns | L | 31 | 7 | 8 | 4.83 | 26 | 15 | 98.7 | 99 | 53 | 16 | 36 | 92 | 4.64 |
| Tommy Hunter | R | 35 | 2 | 1 | 3.48 | 30 | 0 | 31.0 | 28 | 12 | 3 | 8 | 28 | 3.60 |
| Chaz Roe | R | 35 | 2 | 1 | 3.66 | 41 | 0 | 32.0 | 27 | 13 | 3 | 16 | 37 | 3.77 |
| David Robertson | R | 37 | 2 | 1 | 3.76 | 28 | 1 | 26.3 | 22 | 11 | 3 | 11 | 31 | 3.56 |
| Shawn Armstrong | R | 31 | 4 | 3 | 4.00 | 57 | 0 | 63.0 | 57 | 28 | 9 | 26 | 73 | 4.15 |
| DJ Johnson | R | 32 | 2 | 1 | 3.82 | 28 | 0 | 33.0 | 29 | 14 | 5 | 11 | 39 | 3.88 |
| Tyler Zombro | R | 27 | 2 | 2 | 4.12 | 27 | 1 | 43.7 | 45 | 20 | 5 | 10 | 32 | 4.03 |
| J.P. Feyereisen | R | 29 | 5 | 4 | 4.04 | 53 | 0 | 55.7 | 45 | 25 | 7 | 29 | 66 | 4.11 |
| Christopher Gau | R | 25 | 4 | 3 | 4.20 | 32 | 1 | 49.3 | 46 | 23 | 6 | 23 | 49 | 4.36 |
| Ezequiel Zabaleta | R | 26 | 5 | 5 | 4.20 | 37 | 0 | 55.7 | 55 | 26 | 6 | 24 | 45 | 4.42 |
| Joel Peguero | R | 25 | 6 | 6 | 4.61 | 39 | 3 | 54.7 | 56 | 28 | 6 | 24 | 41 | 4.59 |
| Adam Conley | L | 32 | 3 | 3 | 4.32 | 48 | 0 | 50.0 | 48 | 24 | 7 | 19 | 48 | 4.34 |
| Calvin Faucher | R | 26 | 2 | 2 | 4.63 | 34 | 2 | 56.3 | 54 | 29 | 7 | 33 | 55 | 4.76 |
| David Hess | R | 28 | 6 | 7 | 5.04 | 34 | 10 | 89.3 | 93 | 50 | 17 | 32 | 81 | 5.05 |
| Adrian De Horta | R | 27 | 3 | 4 | 5.23 | 23 | 10 | 53.3 | 51 | 31 | 9 | 31 | 55 | 5.22 |
| Chris Muller | R | 26 | 2 | 2 | 4.64 | 25 | 0 | 33.0 | 29 | 17 | 4 | 22 | 36 | 4.76 |
| Cristofer Ogando | R | 28 | 3 | 4 | 4.89 | 32 | 2 | 49.7 | 46 | 27 | 7 | 32 | 51 | 5.07 |
| Justin Sterner | R | 25 | 4 | 4 | 4.63 | 33 | 0 | 56.3 | 56 | 29 | 8 | 24 | 51 | 4.65 |
| Dalton Moats | L | 27 | 1 | 2 | 5.02 | 29 | 2 | 43.0 | 45 | 24 | 7 | 20 | 35 | 5.20 |
| Mikey York | R | 26 | 2 | 2 | 5.27 | 25 | 3 | 41.0 | 42 | 24 | 6 | 22 | 35 | 5.13 |
| Aaron Slegers | R | 29 | 3 | 4 | 5.29 | 39 | 9 | 81.7 | 94 | 48 | 16 | 24 | 55 | 5.41 |
| Tanner Dodson | R | 25 | 3 | 4 | 5.12 | 35 | 1 | 51.0 | 53 | 29 | 7 | 27 | 41 | 5.12 |
| Stetson Allie | R | 31 | 1 | 1 | 6.75 | 27 | 0 | 25.3 | 25 | 19 | 5 | 26 | 28 | 6.73 |
| Player | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | BB% | K% | BABIP | ERA+ | ERA- | WAR | No. 1 Comp |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Shane McClanahan | 10.2 | 3.0 | 1.3 | 7.9% | 26.9% | .299 | 106 | 94 | 2.0 | Mark Guthrie |
| Ryan Yarbrough | 7.1 | 1.8 | 1.1 | 4.9% | 18.8% | .289 | 102 | 98 | 2.0 | Brian Anderson |
| Tyler Glasnow | 12.7 | 3.2 | 1.2 | 8.9% | 35.0% | .280 | 123 | 82 | 2.0 | John Smoltz |
| Yonny Chirinos | 7.7 | 2.2 | 1.2 | 5.9% | 20.6% | .280 | 103 | 97 | 1.9 | Mark Clark |
| Shane Baz | 10.4 | 2.9 | 1.1 | 7.6% | 27.7% | .293 | 117 | 85 | 1.7 | Frank Pastore |
| Corey Kluber | 8.9 | 2.7 | 1.2 | 7.1% | 23.6% | .292 | 109 | 92 | 1.6 | Connie Johnson |
| Andrew Kittredge | 10.0 | 1.8 | 0.9 | 4.9% | 27.5% | .297 | 133 | 75 | 1.5 | Mark Eichhorn |
| Tommy Romero | 9.3 | 3.0 | 1.3 | 7.9% | 24.4% | .287 | 100 | 100 | 1.4 | Doug Drabek |
| Jalen Beeks | 8.5 | 3.3 | 1.2 | 8.5% | 21.5% | .306 | 98 | 102 | 1.1 | Ed Vande Berg |
| Brendan McKay | 9.4 | 3.2 | 1.3 | 8.5% | 24.8% | .290 | 101 | 99 | 1.0 | Jamie Moyer |
| Drew Rasmussen | 10.1 | 3.7 | 1.1 | 9.6% | 26.6% | .286 | 105 | 95 | 1.0 | Chris Ray |
| Jacob Lopez | 9.1 | 3.5 | 0.9 | 9.0% | 23.4% | .299 | 108 | 92 | 1.0 | Bryan Hickerson |
| Luis Patiño | 9.4 | 3.7 | 1.4 | 9.4% | 24.3% | .291 | 93 | 108 | 0.9 | Jason Marquis |
| Josh Fleming | 6.1 | 2.2 | 1.3 | 5.7% | 15.7% | .295 | 92 | 108 | 0.9 | Eric Knott |
| Ian Seymour | 9.8 | 3.8 | 1.0 | 9.9% | 25.3% | .296 | 107 | 93 | 0.9 | Erik Bedard |
| Collin McHugh | 10.4 | 2.7 | 1.2 | 7.3% | 28.2% | .279 | 113 | 89 | 0.9 | Jeff Reardon |
| Matt Wisler | 10.9 | 2.7 | 1.3 | 7.2% | 29.2% | .299 | 111 | 90 | 0.9 | Blas Minor |
| Pete Fairbanks | 12.0 | 3.7 | 1.0 | 9.7% | 31.8% | .303 | 124 | 81 | 0.8 | Jay Howell |
| Chris Archer | 10.0 | 3.7 | 1.3 | 9.6% | 25.6% | .306 | 93 | 107 | 0.8 | Darren Dreifort |
| Jayden Murray | 7.2 | 2.8 | 1.2 | 7.1% | 18.5% | .293 | 93 | 108 | 0.8 | DeWayne Vaughn |
| Easton McGee | 6.5 | 2.4 | 1.2 | 6.1% | 16.7% | .296 | 91 | 110 | 0.7 | Mike Miller |
| Colin Poche | 11.5 | 3.2 | 1.3 | 8.5% | 30.8% | .272 | 108 | 93 | 0.7 | Eddie Guardado |
| Brooks Raley | 9.6 | 3.9 | 0.6 | 10.2% | 24.9% | .299 | 122 | 82 | 0.7 | Chuck McElroy |
| Miller Hogan | 7.1 | 2.3 | 1.1 | 6.0% | 18.6% | .294 | 97 | 103 | 0.7 | Carlos Silva |
| Chris Mazza | 8.4 | 3.1 | 1.2 | 8.0% | 21.6% | .293 | 99 | 101 | 0.7 | Terry Clark |
| Jeffrey Springs | 12.4 | 3.6 | 1.1 | 9.6% | 33.2% | .304 | 120 | 84 | 0.6 | Jason Christiansen |
| Jack Labosky | 6.8 | 2.3 | 1.2 | 6.1% | 17.6% | .293 | 95 | 105 | 0.6 | Josh Stevens |
| Colby White | 10.3 | 3.9 | 1.0 | 10.0% | 26.6% | .294 | 115 | 87 | 0.6 | Si Johnson |
| Oliver Drake | 9.6 | 3.2 | 1.0 | 8.6% | 25.7% | .278 | 109 | 91 | 0.6 | Roger Mason |
| Caleb Sampen | 6.1 | 3.7 | 0.9 | 9.4% | 15.4% | .294 | 90 | 111 | 0.5 | Wayne Simpson |
| Phoenix Sanders | 9.7 | 3.2 | 1.1 | 8.4% | 25.6% | .290 | 112 | 89 | 0.5 | Mark Huismann |
| Ryan Thompson | 9.0 | 2.2 | 1.1 | 5.9% | 24.3% | .289 | 115 | 87 | 0.4 | Carlos Almanzar |
| Nick Anderson | 10.7 | 2.7 | 1.2 | 7.4% | 28.9% | .281 | 118 | 85 | 0.4 | Jerry Spradlin |
| JT Chargois | 9.8 | 4.3 | 0.9 | 10.9% | 25.1% | .286 | 111 | 90 | 0.4 | Ken Ryan |
| Trevor Brigden | 8.2 | 3.1 | 1.0 | 7.9% | 21.2% | .294 | 105 | 95 | 0.4 | David Wilhelmi |
| Dietrich Enns | 8.4 | 3.3 | 1.5 | 8.4% | 21.5% | .296 | 85 | 118 | 0.3 | Chris Hammond |
| Tommy Hunter | 8.1 | 2.3 | 0.9 | 6.2% | 21.7% | .284 | 117 | 85 | 0.3 | Jeff Shaw |
| Chaz Roe | 10.4 | 4.5 | 0.8 | 11.5% | 26.6% | .296 | 112 | 89 | 0.3 | Mike DeJean |
| David Robertson | 10.6 | 3.8 | 1.0 | 10.0% | 28.2% | .292 | 109 | 92 | 0.3 | Mike Fetters |
| Shawn Armstrong | 10.4 | 3.7 | 1.3 | 9.6% | 26.8% | .300 | 102 | 98 | 0.3 | Edwin Nunez |
| DJ Johnson | 10.6 | 3.0 | 1.4 | 8.0% | 28.3% | .293 | 107 | 93 | 0.2 | Marvin Freeman |
| Tyler Zombro | 6.6 | 2.1 | 1.0 | 5.4% | 17.3% | .294 | 99 | 101 | 0.2 | Jeff Tam |
| J.P. Feyereisen | 10.7 | 4.7 | 1.1 | 12.1% | 27.5% | .279 | 101 | 99 | 0.2 | Woody Williams |
| Christopher Gau | 8.9 | 4.2 | 1.1 | 10.6% | 22.6% | .294 | 97 | 103 | 0.2 | Brandon Kolb |
| Ezequiel Zabaleta | 7.3 | 3.9 | 1.0 | 9.8% | 18.4% | .293 | 97 | 103 | 0.1 | Rosman Garcia |
| Joel Peguero | 6.8 | 4.0 | 1.0 | 9.9% | 16.9% | .296 | 89 | 113 | 0.0 | Jack Cassel |
| Adam Conley | 8.6 | 3.4 | 1.3 | 8.8% | 22.2% | .293 | 95 | 106 | 0.0 | Will Brunson |
| Calvin Faucher | 8.8 | 5.3 | 1.1 | 12.9% | 21.6% | .299 | 88 | 113 | 0.0 | Rusty Ford |
| David Hess | 8.2 | 3.2 | 1.7 | 8.2% | 20.7% | .296 | 81 | 123 | -0.1 | Brian Sweeney |
| Adrian De Horta | 9.3 | 5.2 | 1.5 | 12.9% | 22.8% | .294 | 78 | 128 | -0.1 | Jason Bulger |
| Chris Muller | 9.8 | 6.0 | 1.1 | 14.7% | 24.0% | .291 | 88 | 113 | -0.1 | Rafael Pimentel |
| Cristofer Ogando | 9.2 | 5.8 | 1.3 | 14.1% | 22.5% | .291 | 84 | 120 | -0.2 | Marcus Gwyn |
| Justin Sterner | 8.1 | 3.8 | 1.3 | 9.7% | 20.6% | .296 | 88 | 113 | -0.2 | Derek Hasselhoff |
| Dalton Moats | 7.3 | 4.2 | 1.5 | 10.4% | 18.1% | .295 | 81 | 123 | -0.2 | Tim Hamulack |
| Mikey York | 7.7 | 4.8 | 1.3 | 11.8% | 18.8% | .298 | 78 | 129 | -0.3 | Chris Demouy |
| Aaron Slegers | 6.1 | 2.6 | 1.8 | 6.6% | 15.2% | .298 | 77 | 129 | -0.4 | Kris Wilson |
| Tanner Dodson | 7.2 | 4.8 | 1.2 | 11.6% | 17.7% | .299 | 80 | 125 | -0.4 | Brad Pautz |
| Stetson Allie | 9.9 | 9.2 | 1.8 | 20.6% | 22.2% | .303 | 61 | 165 | -0.8 | Mike Jeffcoat |
Players are listed with their most recent teams wherever possible. This includes players who are unsigned, players who will miss 2022 due to injury, and players who were released in 2021. So yes, if you see Joe Schmoe, who quit baseball back in August to form a big band orchestra that only plays nu-metal versions of baroque cantatas, he’s still listed here intentionally. ZiPS is assuming a league with an ERA of 4.36, similar to the post-June substance-enforcement environment.
Both hitters and pitchers are ranked by projected zWAR, which is to say, WAR values as calculated by me, Dan Szymborski, whose surname is spelled with a z. WAR values might differ slightly from those that appear in the full release of ZiPS. Finally, I will advise anyone against — and might karate chop anyone guilty of — merely adding up WAR totals on a depth chart to produce projected team WAR. ZiPS is assuming that the designated hitter will continue in force in 2022.
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Wow, that Cardinals stat in there is amazing. 1988? I know the organization is a model of consistency, but I still didn’t expect them to be that much ahead of anyone else.
came down here to comment on that too. when the second longest streaks are 2006, and after those two 2012? it’s completely insane
That was what stood out to me too. It seems totally impossible. To give you an idea of this: The Cardinals manager is Oliver Marmol. He’s 35. In 1988 he would have been about two years old. Two. Years. Old. People come and go. 1988 is six years before Walt Jocketty took over the Cards.
It’s funny when the article included some awesome projections for a great team but a stray Cardinals fact completely stole the show.
The Cardinals are just an incredibly consistent organization, always putting out a decent team. Their last losing seasons were 2007 and then 1999, and they still won 78 and 75 games in those seasons so they weren’t terrible.
How’s this for an amazing Cardinals’ fact: last time they lost 100 or more games was way back in 1908! It’s the longest streak of the original 16 franchises (tied with the Dodgers).
And from 1916 forward, they’ve only lost 90+ games three times:
1976: 90 losses
1978: 93 losses
1990: 92 losses
The Cardinals prove that you don’t need to tank to be a winner on a low budget. Just like the Rays are doing too (just not for as long).
The Cardinals do not have a low budget, and what the Rays are doing isn’t tanking but it is extreme cost control.
This helps to prove the “eye test,” which I always joke about with my baseball friends, that the Cardinals are the safest bet in the game. You can reliably pencil them in between 83-93 wins every year. Usually not world-beating. Never terrible.
they added Pedro Guerrero and Milt Thompson between 1988 and 1989 and then everyone started hitting.
Unless I am somehow missing the point of the comps, I’m pretty sure this means Ji-Man Choi is likely the future executive director of the Player’s Association.
Ji-Man is one of my favorite players not on the NATS to watch play. It’s amazing how a guy that big can be as quick and athletic as he is. I find that fun to watch!
Yeah, it’s like Blues Brothers era Belushi doing cartwheels. Nowadays you’d just assume that (and the car crashes) was CGI, but — nope: all real, no computer trickery involved. That, uh, rather stocky individual really is that light on his feet. Panda at his peak had a lot of that too. And I agree, in part because it’s so rare and in part because how much it subverts your preconceptions, it’s just really fun.
This is how hard it is to find a comp for Wander Franco: Barry Larkin, who is Franco’s comp here, didn’t even hit the majors until his age 22 season. Next year will be Franco’s age 21 season.
He is unbelievably good. I’ve seen him a ton already and he looks the part of a top 25 player. My only nitpick is that he might be too stocky for SS long term but I think he’ll stay there for a while. Also I don’t think he’ll develop into an elite power hitter. I think he’s more 5 WAR type than 7-8 Trout/Tatis type unless he can tap into more power.
I don’t know how he is as a defender, and Larkin was elite there. But offensively he does have some Barry Larkin-ish qualities. In his age 24 season, Larkin walked 6.3% of the time and struck out 3.7%. Franco plays in a higher-strikeout era so the rates won’t be the same, but I would think he’d be (comparatively) close on the + stats.
He is young enough that the power is nowhere near final
It’s more about his swing than it is about strength. It’s why he doesn’t strike out much. I’m sure there’s a bit more power to come as he gets stronger, but I don’t see him being more than a 25 HR guy at peak. I don’ think he’ll compete for a HR title like Trout/Tatis.
Mike Trout has been around 33% more valuable per plate appearance than Tatis. Trout’s worst hitting season ever was a 161 wRC+ in 2020, followed by 2 167 wRC+ full seasons. Whereas Tatis has put up a 151, 150, 156 in 2 partial seasons and a full(ish) season.
Tatis JR. is a fantastic baseball player, but it would be accurate to speculate that the difference in their true talent level is highly likely to lead to outcomes where Tatis’ best case scenario is inferior to Trout’s worst case scenario (assuming full playing time). (Indeed, Trout’s “worst” season so far was better on a rate basis than Tatis’ “best” season so far)
There is no Trout/Tatis type. There is nobody else in Trout’s tier.
But I would agree that it’s probably unlikely Wander consistently achieves even a 150 wRC+ without a significant increase in his power output
I’ll start with Trout is an inner circle all-time great talent wise so clearly no one else is in Trout’s tier.
That said, while I agree Tatis isn’t as talented a hitter as Trout, I’d argue Tatis has another gear to hit as he matures defensively that could push him into 8+ WAR territory. Let’s not forget Tatis just turned 23.
He may not reach Trout’s 9-10 WAR heights consistently but based on true talent level Tatis’ best case scenario is greater than Trout’s worst case scenario at this point.
Does Wander feel like a Chipper Jones type hitter to anyone else?
Not really outside of being switch hitters who make a lot of contact. I don’t think Wander will ever walk as much as Chipper and Chipper tapped into a lot more power than I think Franco will.
I think Wander ends up somewhere between prime Altuve and prime Larkin (depending on how much he walks/how much power he eventually develops).
That’s fair! His batted ball distribution does look very similar post 2015 Altuve.
Edit: And those are all great hitters, for what it’s worth. And it shows how great and unique Wander is. His skillset at his age is just awesome. You can’t put him in a box.
Wander has extraordinary bat-to-ball skills and that skill is about as sticky as can be. A player I’ve never seen mentioned as a comp is Mookie Betts. Not many people would have bet on Mookie to hit 30+ HR but the hit tool makes it possible to be a Game > Raw power hitter and it wouldn’t surprise me one but to see Franco do the same.
Oh yeah Mookie is a good one too!
I actually initially had Mookie in my response to kylerkelton but flipped it to Altuve since prime Altuve hit .340 multiple times and was over .300 for 5 straight years all with walk rates below 10% which feels more like prime Wander’s profile than Mookie who is much more patient at the plate and one of his two over .300 seasons was a huge outlier (2018).
That said, you aren’t wrong. Mookie is a potential outcome depending on how Wander develops. Mookie’s swing is just geared for more loft than Wander’s.
The depth on this team is absolutely insane. They can essentially have an A team and a B team and swap them out periodically.
Yeah really. I was going to comment about how Vidal Brujan was going to crack the lineup when he’s got Franco and Lowe in the middle of the diamond ahead of him. Pretty good guy to have as a back up to some really good guys.
He’ll probably get traded. Brujan is overrated though imo. Hit just alright in AAA with limited power. Got off to a crazy start then finished poorly.
Brujan has played some CF I wouldn’t be surprised to see him out there with Margot and KK traded.
He played some OF in the minors no? I can see KK being traded to say the Phillies and so maybe Brujan gets a look see in the OF.
Not really? The lineup really is just 4-5 deep and their rotation is nothing special with the best projection going to a rookie. Their depth is mostly relief pitching. They’ll still get a lot out of the roster because they’ve got one of the best managers in the game.
That’s overselling Cash’s impact. Cash is a great manager because he’s great at getting everyone comfortable in their role and buying into the Rays’ playbook but it’s the FO’s roster building and the player dev guys who make the Rays’ wheel go round.
The Rays’ strength is putting players in positions to succeed based on their skill sets (driven by roster construction) and the nature of their depth (multi-positional guys who can play a couple positions at a high level and a bunch of quality arms who can come in and soak up volume).
Exactly what I say Steve. Of course all the sheep vote you down because they have heard others say it. The dead truth ? Terrific Bullpen. Decent starters. Superstar in waiting ( Wander Franco) and a weak starting 9.
And then they win 90+ games in the AL East every year with said weak lineup and decent starters and you all continue to question them.
I feel like we have to talk some more about the pitching. The lineup is fine, and probably will be still after they trade Kiermaier (and maybe Margot, and maybe Meadows) because Josh Lowe is projected for something like 1 win over 400 PAs. The highs of Franco and Lowe and Arozarena (and Meadows if he’s still there) will carry them even if the rest of the lineup is mediocre.
The pitching is a bit of a wild card. How long are they going to leave their starters in? In theory, you could see any of McClanahan, Yarbrough, Kluber, Glasnow, Baz, Rasmussen, or Patino regularly going 5-7 innings. In practice…probably not. If guys are hurt, are they going to be able to lean on others for something resembling a starter’s workload? I can’t figure out if this is the year it’s finally going to blow up on them or they’ve already proven that it works. My head thinks it blows up, but my gut says I’ve been wrong the last two times I’ve made that prediction so I’ll be wrong again if I make it here.
I’m with you: I assume the Rays know way more than I do, but I keep thinking, there are nine innings, right?
Though I was also up in arms after the Snell trade, and we see how that worked out.
Well they lost to the Red Sox because they ran out of pitching. Snell was always overrated, but losing Morton + Glasnow really doomed them.
I disagree that the Rays lost because they ran out of pitching. Losing Glasnow was crushing but it was more about the Sox offense simply being hot in a short series than TB lacking pitching.
Ironically enough, it was the Sox who ran out of pitching against the Astros.
I also don’t think this is the year that Tampa runs out of arms. There are still so many quality arms on that list that they can cycle through. They do need two of their starters (ideally two of Baz, McClanahan, and Patino) to turn in high quality seasons and make it to the playoffs healthy if they want a WS however.
They absolutely ran out of arms. Remember, they were forced to use their best one-inning arms when trailing because of that lack of depth. They had to use their opener for Game 4 in extra innings of Game 3 after blowing through every SIRP they had and would’ve been absolutely done had the game continued on much longer. The lack of bulk innings is why they felt desperate enough in G4 to go to a rookie (McClanahan) on short rest, because they had no way to cover those innings and everyone was gassed.
They need more bulk innings from pitchers not named McClanahan or Baz when October rolls around, or they’re going to get stonewalled again in the LDS. Their parade of relievers worked in the reg season because a) they avoided blow up outings at an astonishing rate, and b) they can shuffle guys up and down and always have at least a couple of fresh arms. No such thing in the postseason. If your strategy when your 5-inning starter fails to get through 5 is just bullpenning the game when you also have bullpen games prepared in the same series, you will lose.
Sox did the same thing with less arms and they won. Fans keep thinking they know more than the Ray’s, yet where do teams go first when they want a manager or new front office hire?
I suppose you’re right but don’t fully agree it was because of how the Rays staff is structured specifically.
Most teams would have been short of arms between the Game 2 shelling and the 13 inning game 3. That’s why it was less about the Rays running out of arms for me.
The Sox only had a Game 4 starter because ERod threw 40 pitches in less than 2 innings in game 1. The Sox planned starter for game 4, Pivetta, had to pitch in relief in game 3 himself
Very few teams are equipped with multiple 7 inning guys these days. That said the Rays definitely could have used Glasnow to at least have one guy who potentially could.
But you have to assume you’re going to run into a hot opposing offense in the postseason — that’s how some teams make it into the playoffs, getting hot late, and it’s very possible those are the teams you face in a short series. So you have to plan for that if you want to make it to the WS, which means you need more pitching depth than you might’ve been able to get away with over the summer (when you could cycle guys through the IL or the minors). That’s the last nut the Rays need to solve. It’s a like the Rays’ manifestation of Beane’s “My shit doesn’t work in the playoffs”
Glasnow was the solution until he wasn’t.
Definitely should have kept Morton just cheapness on their part not picking up the option he was really good for the Braves.
I wish I were more confident about absolute truths in a probabilistic world. While you are at it, can you explain why the Rays finished with 8 more wins than the Red Sox (same division), were 11-8 vs. the Red Sox going into the playoffs and 11-5 vs. the Red Sox after Glasnow was placed on the IL?
Lol bragging about regular season wins against a team that beat you in the playoffs? Clearly a rays fan
Tampa Bay lost because their 3 and 4 batters had about 3 hits the entire series combined.
Not Glasgow but 6 real starters is a pretty good start plus whatever they get for Kiermayer
If you are interested in this question, you might check out the articles on DRaysBay by Ian Malinowski. I would link the articles, but I doubt it would pass the comment filter. Search for “DRaysBay Modern Baseball”. They were posted on Oct 7 last year.
Basically the model is that the Rays give their pitchers long down times relative to other teams. They do this by bulking up the number of innings: 7 to 12 outs per appearance.
As anticipated, the attempt to include the link causes the comment to await for moderation…
My attempt to link the page: https://www.draysbay.com/2021/10/7/21396108/tampa-bay-rays-story-modern-ruining-baseball-andrew-kittredge-intro-data-sources
That’s a really good summary of how the Rays are doing pitching. I didn’t see the part about long down times relative to other teams, but that is news to me and interesting. But it seemed pretty clear that once Morton left and Glasnow went down they were going to be doing a lot of piggyback starter / MIRP types of things. They already had kind of done that in previous years.
In terms of what happens in the future, though, I’m not sure there are any predictions. I’ve long wondered if the Rays are going to be moving to a permanent piggyback / MIRP system, whether it would be even possible with a 13-pitcher roster limit, and whether it would burn out the staff. The Rays have been pushing harder and harder in this direction every year. This year they have a ton of young guys and a couple of hurt guys (Glasnow and Kluber), but how far is too far? What is the limit of the number of 2-3 and 3-5 inning guys on your roster before it’s just not enough innings?
They can probably skirt the 13 pitcher limit with the taxi squad, options and IL.
They can probably do it, it just means commodifying pitching and being brutal about using guys up and throwing them away when they’re burnt out. So long as they can consistently develop average or better arms in the minors (probably a far easier task when you develop them to be MIRPs in the first place) and be good about identifying scrap heap guys who have at least a little value left, they should be fine.
It might be true that this fails when you have to win a playoff series, your good arms get overtaxed early, and you’re unable to get them sufficient rest before the next must-win game. But I’m not sure that anyone has enough data on that to wheedle out the noise.
See Anderson, Nick.
I’ll take the Rays in any bet right now.
It WILL blow up. Too many weak hitters in that lineup starting with Choi and Zunino. Add Kiermaier, and Meadows is only good off righties. Etc. Things have broken right for the Rays the last bit. I am betting .500 and 4th place. I’m not saying they are BAD. I’m saying they are AVERAGE>
Can we see Franco’s decile projections? Like, what’s his 90% outcome?
90% chance he stunts on some fools
check out the piece on his extension. i think its in there
Nope!
Was there a glitch when computing Austin Meadows with a +1 on Def?
Or Josh Lowe with a -7. I haven’t watched him a ton, but his reputation is he is plus out there.
I’d love to hear Szym chime in here…Meadows has never been a good defender.
Maybe he’s +1 at DH.
A -7 Defense rating for Josh Lowe? Why such a shift from last year and a guy who was seen as an elite defender coming up?
26 players of at least 1 WAR has to be some kind of record
Now that you mention it, a middle infield that compares to Barry Larkin and Chase Utley does sound like a pretty good contender for the best in baseball
BLowe wasn’t just underrated by the award voters. Fangraphs didn’t even have him in their 2021 top 50 most value players.
Can’t say I pay too much attention to awards, but LeMahieu getting a silver slugger nomination over Lowe is inexcusable and needs an explanation
Batting average matters to somebody who has voting power when deciding awards, plus Yankees bias? That said, LeMahieu’s .268 AVG last season isn’t really that special either.
Silver Slugger is just a popularity contest.
Just kidding
History is so replete with inexplicable Silver Slugger winners that there’s no room in the question box for baffling nominations.
I’m a Yankee fan and I agree.
What a deep and interchangeable system. For both pitching and lineup construction. That is the strength of the Rays. Dependable players with upside. Somehow winning as a team has been hypnotized into their DNA. They leave their Ego’s in the car. IMO both Wells and Brujan will see more innings than folks expect. If Lowe can handle 2b, he likely will be able to handle first base on occasion. Now add Brujan and his wheels or even Wells and the fb’s to the following hitters are going to come. I expect a huge year from Meadows if he is not dealt. Brujan was given time in the outfield to make him even more valuable. The Rays remain the team to beat in 2022 in AL because of their depth, sorry Jays.
“They leave their egos in the car.”
I mean, it’s pretty easy to keep everyone’s ego in check when your franchise just automatically gets rid of any player with the tenure and resume to start demanding that they not be wildly underpaid.
The Jays are so much better than Tampa that you can’t even measure it.
Dan, curious as to why ZIPs doesn’t buy into Jonathan Aranda’s power uptick. ZIPs projects him for an 86 OPS+ and .128 ISO whereas Steamer has him at a 110 wRC+ and .162 ISO. Is it mostly track record prior to 2021 or is there something else it sees that it doesn’t like?
ZiPS is certainly not ready to say Aranda’s going to be a second baseman that hits like a league-average first baseman in the majors based on a half-season at Double-A this one time.
It’s not at all any sort of problem, but I was curious as to why the pitchers’ advanced stats include both ERA+ and ERA-? Aren’t they just the reverse of one another (i.e., 1/ERA+ = ERA-)?
Why do the WAR totals change between the graphical depth chart and the spreadsheets? (e.g. McClanahan *2.5 vs McClanahan 2.0 WAR)
IIRC, the graphic uses the Fangraphs depth chart playing times, while the chart gives the ZIPS estimated playing time.
And as Dan will constantly note, ZiPS is not a playing time estimator.
That’s a pretty great comp for Yarbrough!
A very generic question; not specific to the Rays. Why do the WAR in the diagram not match the WAR in the data table?
The diagram WAR is based on projected playing time at that position at 162 games, which is independent of projected PAs for each individual player.
Ahh a Kevin McReynolds comp for Meadows! McReynolds was one of my fav Mets in my early days of watching baseball. McReynolds was called lazy by fans because he was so stoic and everything he did looked so easy for him. It didn’t help that Mitchell won the mvp in 89 but career wise they were very similar in value and the Padres flipped Mitchell over to the Giants mere months after the trade. McReynolds and Straw really carried the Mets offense in 88 with Keith hurt and Carter fading I have very fond memories of Kmac.
Dan, have you ever done a post about the tech stack that underlies ZiPS? All on your laptop, or do you have a VM somewhere? Where do you source your data — and it is it just in a MySQL db, or something else? Do you work in Python, R, something else?
Curious minds want to know 🙂
Thanks for the awesome stuff!
I see ZiPS still believes in old man Cruz. 120 OPS+ is quite good! I’d be interested to know if any other 42 year olds have had that kind of projection (non-Bonds division?)
seems like 41 is a bit of a cutoff, can’t hardly find any 42 year old seasons!
checked thome first, wrc ‘d 129 as a 40 yo and 112 as a 41 yo. sheffield wrcd 122 as a 40 yo, then retired. seems like papi certainly would have been projected to (he might still be projected for 120 if zips ran him for 2022).
and everyones favorite, harold baines, wrc’d 135 as a 40 yo before falling off precipitously.
So yeah, pretty impressive!
He only had about 300 PAs at ages 42 and 43 but Andres Galarraga did pretty well for himself.
Even Willie Mays finally fell off the cliff at age 42 after posting 157 & 132 wRC+ in his age 40 & 41 seasons.
That cliff, it always wins eventually!
I’d probably take 1 win away from Lowe based on the fact that he’s an absolute ghost in the postseason.
Old lady: “That’s not how that works. That’s not how any of this works.”
Heads up Dan, it looks like Chirinos is misspelled as “Chorinos” on the ballpark graphic!
DANGIT
isn’t that a Mexican pastry?
Mexican pastry? It’s like you’re flashing the bat signal to Bartolo Colon…
Maybe he meant “chorizos”?
Besides that amazing Cardinals stat, there’s something else to mention with them. You brought up the Padres and Rangers as possible best-in-baseball infields, but STL is surprisingly in that conversation. They obviously aren’t at the top — the groupings of Tatis, Jr., Cronenworth, and Machado, and Seager and Semien, make that impossible — but they have quality players in every spot.
Arenado and Goldschmidt are solidly well above-average, and Edman has a high floor as an average player and could turn into an All-Star with a minor offensive boost (ZiPS seems to love him). I don’t see how Gorman finds playing time, since there are better players at all of his positions, but his projection is surprisingly good for a rookie. The combination of Dejong and Sosa are probably average but certainly playable; that’s the spot that will hold the infield back from being the best.
As for the Rays, I wonder if Wander will immediately upgrade his offense in year 2 or take a few years to become a consistent 150 wRC+ guy. There’s no doubt in my mind he’ll get there. I think we’re going to look at 2022 as a harbinger year for Franco in terms of his total career output.
In my opinion, too many fans just say the same thing they have heard from others. Wow. What a good team. Their starting pitching is good, especially with Shane Baz. Their relievers are very good. 5 or 6 very good arms in the bullpen. But their offence is not good. Too many weak hitters. Kiermaier and Zunino are flat out lousy hitters. Arozarena is decent but overrated. Wander Franco is going to be a star. I give them that. Manny Margot and Choi ?? Bench warmers on a lot of teams. Youngsters like Walls, Brujan and Josh Lowe do not project very well. Brandon Lowe has serious power. Put it all together and I see a below average offence. I don’t see them making the playoffs. Assuming the Yankees and Red Sox make moves. The Blue Jays are excellent.
So I count 14 pitchers currently in the Rays organization who aren’t on the 40 man roster who project to be above replacement level (this includes Tyler Zombro, who I don’t know whether or not he’ll ever pitch again, and Ezequiel Zabaleta, who was a minor league Rule 5 pick before the ‘21 season and I don’t know whether or not he’s a free agent).
I think this is just going to be another typical Rays season. There’s just too many good baseball players in their organization for them to win less than 90+ games. The position players might slip back to the middle of the pack but there’s such a ridiculous amount of competent pitching that I don’t think it’d be wise to pick this team to miss the postseason.