2022 ZiPS Projections: Tampa Bay Rays

After having typically appeared in the hallowed pages of Baseball Think Factory, Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections have now been released at FanGraphs for a decade. The exercise continues this offseason. Below are the projections for the Tampa Bay Rays.

Batters

Which team in baseball has the best middle infield? I imagine most fans would likely say the Rangers (Corey Seager and Marcus Semien) or the Padres (Fernando Tatis Jr. and mostly Jake Cronenworth). The Rays are another possible answer, though. Wander Franco’s very quickly become a star, and Brandon Lowe is my pick for the most underrated second baseman in the game. I talked quite a lot about Franco’s outlook when he he signed his big ol’ contract extension, so I won’t rehash that here. Confusingly, Lowe wasn’t even one of the American League’s four Silver Slugger finalists at second base in 2021, as his .863 OPS apparently wasn’t up to the standards of DJ LeMahieu (.711 OPS, about half his games not at second). I would be surprised if the best middle infield came from a team other than these three.

The rest of the lineup looks, well, like a Rays lineup. There are very few players who aren’t underdogs for a spot on the All-Star team, the closest being Austin Meadows. Meadows always has to “beat out” his injury history, and when he does, as he managed in most of 2019, he’s a very dangerous hitter. When looking at the advanced hit data for Meadows, ZiPS thought he should have had a .282 BABIP in 2021, well above his quite disappointing .249. But that’s good news in a way; he was still an average player despite a down BABIP year.

The theme of being rock-solid but not spectacular persists everywhere else. Except for arguably at first base, ZiPS doesn’t see the Rays as meaningfully below-average anywhere. And these numbers aren’t really even that far from the likely floors, as the usual supporting cast of reserves and Triple-A talent is ready and waiting and will likely be buttressed by the Rays’ usual minor league signings, which they haven’t really engaged in much so far this winter. The last time Tampa finished in the bottom third of the league in WAR for position players was 2006:

Most Recent Bottom-Third Offense
Team Year
St. Louis Cardinals 1988
Boston Red Sox 2006
Tampa Bay Rays 2006
Los Angeles Dodgers 2012
New York Mets 2013
Chicago Cubs 2014
Cleveland Guardians 2014
Atlanta Braves 2016
Minnesota Twins 2016
New York Yankees 2016
Oakland Athletics 2016
Philadelphia Phillies 2018
San Diego Padres 2018
Chicago White Sox 2019
San Francisco Giants 2019
Toronto Blue Jays 2019
Cincinnati Reds 2020
Houston Astros 2020
Milwaukee Brewers 2020
Washington Nationals 2020
Arizona Diamondbacks 2021
Baltimore Orioles 2021
Colorado Rockies 2021
Detroit Tigers 2021
Kansas City Royals 2021
Los Angeles Angels 2021
Miami Marlins 2021
Pittsburgh Pirates 2021
Seattle Mariners 2021
Texas Rangers 2021

Even great teams put up a stinker season once in a while, and only three have avoided finishing in the bottom-third for position players in the last decade. (As an organization, the Cardinals may be really good at this baseball stuff.)

Pitchers

The pitching staff might be even more Rays-y than the lineup. ERA+ projections above 100 are the rule here rather than the exception. Even when you filter out the players who are unsigned free agents and the pitchers with the most serious injury issues (Tyler Glasnow, Yonny Chirinos, Nick Anderson, Brendan McKay), you still end up with 18 pitchers projected over 100. Only Glasnow is practically guaranteed to miss most, if not all, of the 2022 season. The Rays pitching staff could all participate in an ill-conceived National Lick a School Doorknob Day and still have enough pitchers not on the roster to field an entire staff of above-replacement hurlers. Despite this depth, the highest WAR projection for a Ray is Shane McClanahan’s at just 2.0. Only the Twins and Pirates so far have a lower top-projected WAR.

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Now, could any of these guys turn out to be a fairly conventional ace pitcher? ZiPS gives McClanahan and Shane Baz the best chances of doing that, should the Rays use them in a way that allows for that sort of thing. Of course, the Rays don’t do conventional very often.

If you’re looking for a deep-dive guy on the farm, ZiPS is quite interested in Ian Seymour, a second-round draft pick in 2020 out of Virginia Tech. A not-very-big lefty, Seymour broke out in the Cape Cod League in 2019 and struck out just under two batters per inning in his four starts in 2020. A fastball-changeup-slider guy (the changeup is his best pitch), he pitches on the third-base side of the rubber and comes right at righties, and had no real platoon splits in the minors in 2021. After dominating in A-ball last year, the Rays aggressively promoted him to High- and then Triple-A within three weeks, getting him five innings in each of his starts for 28 strikeouts against only six walks, 10 hits, and a single homer. It would be a very Rays thing if Seymour got 40 innings in a swing role late in the summer and ended up on a playoff roster, resulting in every fan having to suddenly look up who this guy is.

Ballpark graphic courtesy Eephus League. Depth charts constructed by way of those listed here.

Batters – Standard
Player B Age PO PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS
Brandon Lowe L 27 2B 568 499 83 123 27 2 33 95 58 165 7 1
Wander Franco B 21 SS 536 487 85 138 27 8 16 71 41 73 8 6
Austin Meadows L 27 LF 591 526 80 136 31 4 29 102 54 128 8 4
Randy Arozarena R 27 LF 572 503 82 129 27 3 20 65 49 152 20 11
Mike Zunino R 31 C 352 318 47 63 13 1 22 54 27 126 0 0
Nelson Cruz R 41 1B 513 456 66 117 16 1 27 79 44 125 2 0
Kevin Kiermaier L 32 CF 414 377 51 88 18 7 7 41 30 101 11 5
Francisco Mejía B 26 C 334 304 36 76 17 3 9 38 19 65 0 0
Brett Phillips L 28 CF 380 327 50 60 9 6 12 42 45 144 17 2
Yandy Díaz R 30 1B 486 422 58 111 20 1 11 53 58 77 1 1
Curtis Mead R 21 3B 479 441 60 109 22 1 13 52 28 100 6 3
Taylor Walls B 25 SS 431 379 48 83 19 2 7 39 44 116 16 9
Vidal Bruján B 24 2B 477 437 57 101 21 3 8 45 35 92 38 9
Josh Lowe L 24 CF 496 438 63 102 21 2 15 57 47 150 20 3
Cal Stevenson L 25 CF 416 362 52 82 13 2 6 34 46 93 12 5
Manuel Margot R 27 RF 476 434 57 108 22 4 10 52 37 86 15 8
René Pinto R 25 C 366 339 37 73 16 1 9 37 21 110 3 2
Ji-Man Choi L 31 1B 376 318 40 72 16 1 12 48 51 105 1 1
Miles Mastrobuoni L 26 SS 444 402 50 96 14 3 5 32 38 107 7 7
Xavier Edwards B 22 2B 426 387 54 100 15 3 3 30 30 65 15 8
Austin Shenton L 24 3B 365 331 45 74 17 1 8 40 26 99 1 0
Esteban Quiroz L 30 2B 302 262 40 58 14 0 8 36 33 76 1 0
Greg Jones B 24 SS 322 294 33 63 10 2 7 26 23 103 18 3
Connor Hollis R 27 2B 277 252 29 57 12 1 5 19 18 63 7 2
Jonathan Aranda L 24 1B 403 358 48 84 15 2 9 38 32 94 3 1
Tristan Gray L 26 SS 391 353 41 72 16 3 10 38 30 112 1 4
Brett Wisely L 23 2B 455 421 58 100 15 1 12 50 28 116 13 4
Ford Proctor L 25 C 433 380 50 79 15 1 7 34 45 118 4 4
Brendan McKay L 26 1B 154 134 15 28 4 0 4 12 16 43 0 0
Logan Driscoll L 24 C 233 214 23 46 10 1 5 20 14 67 1 1
Ryan Boldt L 27 LF 305 278 32 60 12 2 7 28 21 95 9 2
Erik Ostberg L 26 C 216 199 23 41 6 1 5 20 15 66 0 1
Luis Trevino R 26 C 141 131 15 29 6 0 2 11 8 30 0 1
Blake Hunt R 23 C 341 313 32 59 12 1 7 27 24 100 1 0
Alika Williams R 23 SS 384 355 46 80 13 0 5 30 16 80 4 4
Kameron Misner L 24 CF 438 397 47 79 16 1 8 38 34 140 13 2
Ruben Cardenas R 24 LF 474 439 50 97 16 3 12 49 25 133 5 5
Jim Haley R 27 3B 415 384 38 75 13 1 11 37 20 135 14 3
Dillon Paulson L 25 1B 423 371 45 66 18 2 10 40 47 146 2 1
Niko Hulsizer R 25 RF 387 345 44 62 15 1 13 43 35 159 6 2
Joseph Odom R 30 C 283 262 23 47 11 0 5 22 17 101 0 0

Batters – Advanced
Player BA OBP SLG OPS+ ISO BABIP RC/27 Def WAR No. 1 Comp
Brandon Lowe .246 .333 .507 130 .261 .299 6.2 1 4.4 Chase Utley
Wander Franco .283 .340 .470 124 .187 .307 5.9 4 4.2 Barry Larkin
Austin Meadows .259 .332 .498 128 .240 .290 6.0 1 3.4 Kevin McReynolds
Randy Arozarena .256 .339 .441 116 .185 .329 5.4 -4 2.0 Matt Holliday
Mike Zunino .198 .273 .453 98 .255 .241 4.2 4 2.0 Dave Duncan
Nelson Cruz .257 .327 .474 120 .217 .296 5.7 -1 1.9 Jim Rice
Kevin Kiermaier .233 .297 .374 86 .141 .301 3.9 9 1.7 Dewayne Wise
Francisco Mejía .250 .306 .414 99 .164 .291 4.6 1 1.6 Dave Engle
Brett Phillips .183 .284 .358 78 .174 .281 3.8 9 1.6 Louie Meadows
Yandy Díaz .263 .352 .393 109 .130 .299 5.0 -1 1.4 Keith Moreland
Curtis Mead .247 .296 .390 90 .143 .293 4.1 2 1.3 Joe Crede
Taylor Walls .219 .301 .335 78 .116 .297 3.4 6 1.3 Cesar Crespo
Vidal Bruján .231 .290 .348 78 .117 .276 4.0 3 1.2 Nelson Liriano
Josh Lowe .233 .308 .393 94 .160 .319 4.6 -7 1.1 Scott Lusader
Cal Stevenson .227 .313 .323 79 .097 .289 3.6 4 1.0 Rick Manning
Manuel Margot .249 .307 .387 93 .138 .290 4.3 4 0.9 Ira Smith
René Pinto .215 .266 .348 70 .133 .291 3.2 6 0.9 Craig Colbert
Ji-Man Choi .226 .335 .396 104 .170 .299 4.6 -2 0.8 Tony Clark
Miles Mastrobuoni .239 .305 .326 77 .087 .314 3.3 2 0.8 Kevin Stocker
Xavier Edwards .258 .313 .336 82 .078 .304 3.8 1 0.7 William Suero
Austin Shenton .224 .288 .353 79 .130 .295 3.6 2 0.6 Phillip Cuadrado
Esteban Quiroz .221 .316 .366 90 .145 .281 4.0 -3 0.6 Ron Warner
Greg Jones .214 .280 .333 71 .119 .304 3.6 1 0.6 Buddy Biancalana
Connor Hollis .226 .290 .341 76 .115 .283 3.6 2 0.5 Rob Mummau
Jonathan Aranda .235 .305 .363 86 .128 .294 3.9 2 0.4 Chris Pritchett
Tristan Gray .204 .272 .351 73 .147 .268 3.0 2 0.4 Todd Carey
Brett Wisely .238 .285 .363 80 .126 .300 3.8 -5 0.1 Ruben Santana
Ford Proctor .208 .295 .308 70 .100 .282 3.0 -4 0.0 Doug Newstrom
Brendan McKay .209 .299 .328 76 .119 .276 3.3 1 0.0 Bryan Peck
Logan Driscoll .215 .267 .341 69 .126 .289 3.1 -2 -0.1 Eric Helfand
Ryan Boldt .216 .276 .349 74 .133 .301 3.5 1 -0.2 Jalal Leach
Erik Ostberg .206 .264 .322 63 .116 .281 2.8 -2 -0.3 Larry Owen
Luis Trevino .221 .277 .313 65 .092 .273 2.8 -3 -0.3 Wyatt Toregas
Blake Hunt .188 .250 .300 53 .112 .252 2.5 0 -0.4 Walt McKeel
Alika Williams .225 .261 .304 58 .079 .278 2.7 0 -0.5 Jorge Velandia
Kameron Misner .199 .268 .305 60 .106 .285 3.0 -2 -0.5 Francisco Plasencia
Ruben Cardenas .221 .265 .353 71 .132 .289 3.1 2 -0.6 Dan Wagner
Jim Haley .195 .245 .320 56 .125 .269 2.8 0 -0.7 Henry Calderon
Dillon Paulson .178 .270 .318 64 .140 .260 2.8 3 -0.8 Greg Thomas
Niko Hulsizer .180 .264 .342 68 .162 .283 3.0 -2 -0.9 Adam Bonner
Joseph Odom .179 .234 .279 43 .099 .269 2.1 -3 -1.0 Charlie Greene

Pitchers – Standard
Player T Age W L ERA G GS IP H ER HR BB SO FIP
Shane McClanahan L 25 10 7 3.86 26 25 126.0 115 54 18 42 143 3.86
Ryan Yarbrough L 30 9 7 4.01 29 18 146.0 145 65 18 30 115 4.01
Tyler Glasnow R 28 5 3 3.34 15 15 89.0 65 33 12 32 126 3.21
Yonny Chirinos R 28 7 6 3.96 27 19 131.7 123 58 17 32 112 4.00
Shane Baz R 23 6 4 3.49 20 20 85.0 73 33 10 27 98 3.50
Corey Kluber R 36 6 4 3.75 18 18 93.7 87 39 12 28 93 3.88
Andrew Kittredge R 32 6 3 3.09 55 5 70.0 61 24 7 14 78 2.98
Tommy Romero R 24 6 5 4.11 24 22 107.3 98 49 16 36 111 4.20
Jalen Beeks L 28 6 5 4.19 36 8 116.0 117 54 15 43 109 4.30
Brendan McKay L 26 4 4 4.06 20 18 75.3 69 34 11 27 79 4.14
Drew Rasmussen R 26 4 3 3.89 39 11 81.0 69 35 10 33 91 3.83
Jacob Lopez L 24 3 2 3.77 16 12 59.7 55 25 6 23 60 3.78
Luis Patiño R 22 6 6 4.42 28 22 106.0 98 52 16 43 111 4.41
Josh Fleming L 26 9 9 4.42 29 13 114.0 123 56 16 28 77 4.52
Ian Seymour L 23 3 2 3.81 15 14 54.3 48 23 6 23 59 3.88
Collin McHugh R 35 4 3 3.62 36 6 59.7 49 24 8 18 69 3.67
Matt Wisler R 29 5 4 3.68 45 5 63.7 56 26 9 19 77 3.59
Pete Fairbanks R 28 7 4 3.31 50 2 51.7 42 19 6 21 69 3.35
Chris Archer R 33 4 4 4.39 18 18 82.0 78 40 12 34 91 4.22
Jayden Murray R 25 5 5 4.41 20 20 81.7 83 40 11 25 65 4.44
Easton McGee R 24 4 4 4.52 21 20 87.7 93 44 12 23 63 4.48
Colin Poche L 28 7 5 3.79 64 2 73.7 57 31 11 26 94 3.83
Brooks Raley L 34 4 2 3.36 62 0 61.7 53 23 4 27 66 3.39
Miller Hogan R 25 5 4 4.20 27 8 70.7 72 33 9 18 56 4.18
Chris Mazza R 32 3 3 4.11 32 8 70.0 67 32 9 24 65 4.24
Jeffrey Springs L 29 4 3 3.42 41 1 50.0 40 19 6 20 69 3.24
Jack Labosky R 25 3 3 4.30 30 9 73.3 76 35 10 19 55 4.39
Colby White R 23 4 3 3.54 43 1 53.3 46 21 6 23 61 3.82
Oliver Drake R 35 4 3 3.74 60 1 65.0 54 27 7 23 69 3.56
Caleb Sampen R 25 4 4 4.54 15 14 67.3 70 34 7 28 46 4.59
Phoenix Sanders R 27 4 3 3.64 48 0 59.3 52 24 7 21 64 3.77
Ryan Thompson R 30 3 2 3.55 35 1 33.0 30 13 4 8 33 3.57
Nick Anderson R 31 3 2 3.47 39 0 36.3 30 14 5 11 43 3.59
JT Chargois R 31 4 3 3.70 52 0 48.7 41 20 5 23 53 4.00
Trevor Brigden R 26 5 4 3.89 29 2 44.0 42 19 5 15 40 4.07
Dietrich Enns L 31 7 8 4.83 26 15 98.7 99 53 16 36 92 4.64
Tommy Hunter R 35 2 1 3.48 30 0 31.0 28 12 3 8 28 3.60
Chaz Roe R 35 2 1 3.66 41 0 32.0 27 13 3 16 37 3.77
David Robertson R 37 2 1 3.76 28 1 26.3 22 11 3 11 31 3.56
Shawn Armstrong R 31 4 3 4.00 57 0 63.0 57 28 9 26 73 4.15
DJ Johnson R 32 2 1 3.82 28 0 33.0 29 14 5 11 39 3.88
Tyler Zombro R 27 2 2 4.12 27 1 43.7 45 20 5 10 32 4.03
J.P. Feyereisen R 29 5 4 4.04 53 0 55.7 45 25 7 29 66 4.11
Christopher Gau R 25 4 3 4.20 32 1 49.3 46 23 6 23 49 4.36
Ezequiel Zabaleta R 26 5 5 4.20 37 0 55.7 55 26 6 24 45 4.42
Joel Peguero R 25 6 6 4.61 39 3 54.7 56 28 6 24 41 4.59
Adam Conley L 32 3 3 4.32 48 0 50.0 48 24 7 19 48 4.34
Calvin Faucher R 26 2 2 4.63 34 2 56.3 54 29 7 33 55 4.76
David Hess R 28 6 7 5.04 34 10 89.3 93 50 17 32 81 5.05
Adrian De Horta R 27 3 4 5.23 23 10 53.3 51 31 9 31 55 5.22
Chris Muller R 26 2 2 4.64 25 0 33.0 29 17 4 22 36 4.76
Cristofer Ogando R 28 3 4 4.89 32 2 49.7 46 27 7 32 51 5.07
Justin Sterner R 25 4 4 4.63 33 0 56.3 56 29 8 24 51 4.65
Dalton Moats L 27 1 2 5.02 29 2 43.0 45 24 7 20 35 5.20
Mikey York R 26 2 2 5.27 25 3 41.0 42 24 6 22 35 5.13
Aaron Slegers R 29 3 4 5.29 39 9 81.7 94 48 16 24 55 5.41
Tanner Dodson R 25 3 4 5.12 35 1 51.0 53 29 7 27 41 5.12
Stetson Allie R 31 1 1 6.75 27 0 25.3 25 19 5 26 28 6.73

Pitchers – Advanced
Player K/9 BB/9 HR/9 BB% K% BABIP ERA+ ERA- WAR No. 1 Comp
Shane McClanahan 10.2 3.0 1.3 7.9% 26.9% .299 106 94 2.0 Mark Guthrie
Ryan Yarbrough 7.1 1.8 1.1 4.9% 18.8% .289 102 98 2.0 Brian Anderson
Tyler Glasnow 12.7 3.2 1.2 8.9% 35.0% .280 123 82 2.0 John Smoltz
Yonny Chirinos 7.7 2.2 1.2 5.9% 20.6% .280 103 97 1.9 Mark Clark
Shane Baz 10.4 2.9 1.1 7.6% 27.7% .293 117 85 1.7 Frank Pastore
Corey Kluber 8.9 2.7 1.2 7.1% 23.6% .292 109 92 1.6 Connie Johnson
Andrew Kittredge 10.0 1.8 0.9 4.9% 27.5% .297 133 75 1.5 Mark Eichhorn
Tommy Romero 9.3 3.0 1.3 7.9% 24.4% .287 100 100 1.4 Doug Drabek
Jalen Beeks 8.5 3.3 1.2 8.5% 21.5% .306 98 102 1.1 Ed Vande Berg
Brendan McKay 9.4 3.2 1.3 8.5% 24.8% .290 101 99 1.0 Jamie Moyer
Drew Rasmussen 10.1 3.7 1.1 9.6% 26.6% .286 105 95 1.0 Chris Ray
Jacob Lopez 9.1 3.5 0.9 9.0% 23.4% .299 108 92 1.0 Bryan Hickerson
Luis Patiño 9.4 3.7 1.4 9.4% 24.3% .291 93 108 0.9 Jason Marquis
Josh Fleming 6.1 2.2 1.3 5.7% 15.7% .295 92 108 0.9 Eric Knott
Ian Seymour 9.8 3.8 1.0 9.9% 25.3% .296 107 93 0.9 Erik Bedard
Collin McHugh 10.4 2.7 1.2 7.3% 28.2% .279 113 89 0.9 Jeff Reardon
Matt Wisler 10.9 2.7 1.3 7.2% 29.2% .299 111 90 0.9 Blas Minor
Pete Fairbanks 12.0 3.7 1.0 9.7% 31.8% .303 124 81 0.8 Jay Howell
Chris Archer 10.0 3.7 1.3 9.6% 25.6% .306 93 107 0.8 Darren Dreifort
Jayden Murray 7.2 2.8 1.2 7.1% 18.5% .293 93 108 0.8 DeWayne Vaughn
Easton McGee 6.5 2.4 1.2 6.1% 16.7% .296 91 110 0.7 Mike Miller
Colin Poche 11.5 3.2 1.3 8.5% 30.8% .272 108 93 0.7 Eddie Guardado
Brooks Raley 9.6 3.9 0.6 10.2% 24.9% .299 122 82 0.7 Chuck McElroy
Miller Hogan 7.1 2.3 1.1 6.0% 18.6% .294 97 103 0.7 Carlos Silva
Chris Mazza 8.4 3.1 1.2 8.0% 21.6% .293 99 101 0.7 Terry Clark
Jeffrey Springs 12.4 3.6 1.1 9.6% 33.2% .304 120 84 0.6 Jason Christiansen
Jack Labosky 6.8 2.3 1.2 6.1% 17.6% .293 95 105 0.6 Josh Stevens
Colby White 10.3 3.9 1.0 10.0% 26.6% .294 115 87 0.6 Si Johnson
Oliver Drake 9.6 3.2 1.0 8.6% 25.7% .278 109 91 0.6 Roger Mason
Caleb Sampen 6.1 3.7 0.9 9.4% 15.4% .294 90 111 0.5 Wayne Simpson
Phoenix Sanders 9.7 3.2 1.1 8.4% 25.6% .290 112 89 0.5 Mark Huismann
Ryan Thompson 9.0 2.2 1.1 5.9% 24.3% .289 115 87 0.4 Carlos Almanzar
Nick Anderson 10.7 2.7 1.2 7.4% 28.9% .281 118 85 0.4 Jerry Spradlin
JT Chargois 9.8 4.3 0.9 10.9% 25.1% .286 111 90 0.4 Ken Ryan
Trevor Brigden 8.2 3.1 1.0 7.9% 21.2% .294 105 95 0.4 David Wilhelmi
Dietrich Enns 8.4 3.3 1.5 8.4% 21.5% .296 85 118 0.3 Chris Hammond
Tommy Hunter 8.1 2.3 0.9 6.2% 21.7% .284 117 85 0.3 Jeff Shaw
Chaz Roe 10.4 4.5 0.8 11.5% 26.6% .296 112 89 0.3 Mike DeJean
David Robertson 10.6 3.8 1.0 10.0% 28.2% .292 109 92 0.3 Mike Fetters
Shawn Armstrong 10.4 3.7 1.3 9.6% 26.8% .300 102 98 0.3 Edwin Nunez
DJ Johnson 10.6 3.0 1.4 8.0% 28.3% .293 107 93 0.2 Marvin Freeman
Tyler Zombro 6.6 2.1 1.0 5.4% 17.3% .294 99 101 0.2 Jeff Tam
J.P. Feyereisen 10.7 4.7 1.1 12.1% 27.5% .279 101 99 0.2 Woody Williams
Christopher Gau 8.9 4.2 1.1 10.6% 22.6% .294 97 103 0.2 Brandon Kolb
Ezequiel Zabaleta 7.3 3.9 1.0 9.8% 18.4% .293 97 103 0.1 Rosman Garcia
Joel Peguero 6.8 4.0 1.0 9.9% 16.9% .296 89 113 0.0 Jack Cassel
Adam Conley 8.6 3.4 1.3 8.8% 22.2% .293 95 106 0.0 Will Brunson
Calvin Faucher 8.8 5.3 1.1 12.9% 21.6% .299 88 113 0.0 Rusty Ford
David Hess 8.2 3.2 1.7 8.2% 20.7% .296 81 123 -0.1 Brian Sweeney
Adrian De Horta 9.3 5.2 1.5 12.9% 22.8% .294 78 128 -0.1 Jason Bulger
Chris Muller 9.8 6.0 1.1 14.7% 24.0% .291 88 113 -0.1 Rafael Pimentel
Cristofer Ogando 9.2 5.8 1.3 14.1% 22.5% .291 84 120 -0.2 Marcus Gwyn
Justin Sterner 8.1 3.8 1.3 9.7% 20.6% .296 88 113 -0.2 Derek Hasselhoff
Dalton Moats 7.3 4.2 1.5 10.4% 18.1% .295 81 123 -0.2 Tim Hamulack
Mikey York 7.7 4.8 1.3 11.8% 18.8% .298 78 129 -0.3 Chris Demouy
Aaron Slegers 6.1 2.6 1.8 6.6% 15.2% .298 77 129 -0.4 Kris Wilson
Tanner Dodson 7.2 4.8 1.2 11.6% 17.7% .299 80 125 -0.4 Brad Pautz
Stetson Allie 9.9 9.2 1.8 20.6% 22.2% .303 61 165 -0.8 Mike Jeffcoat

Players are listed with their most recent teams wherever possible. This includes players who are unsigned, players who will miss 2022 due to injury, and players who were released in 2021. So yes, if you see Joe Schmoe, who quit baseball back in August to form a big band orchestra that only plays nu-metal versions of baroque cantatas, he’s still listed here intentionally. ZiPS is assuming a league with an ERA of 4.36, similar to the post-June substance-enforcement environment.

Both hitters and pitchers are ranked by projected zWAR, which is to say, WAR values as calculated by me, Dan Szymborski, whose surname is spelled with a z. WAR values might differ slightly from those that appear in the full release of ZiPS. Finally, I will advise anyone against — and might karate chop anyone guilty of — merely adding up WAR totals on a depth chart to produce projected team WAR. ZiPS is assuming that the designated hitter will continue in force in 2022.

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Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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JohnThackerMember since 2020
4 years ago

Wow, that Cardinals stat in there is amazing. 1988? I know the organization is a model of consistency, but I still didn’t expect them to be that much ahead of anyone else.

wily moMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  JohnThacker

came down here to comment on that too. when the second longest streaks are 2006, and after those two 2012? it’s completely insane

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  JohnThacker

That was what stood out to me too. It seems totally impossible. To give you an idea of this: The Cardinals manager is Oliver Marmol. He’s 35. In 1988 he would have been about two years old. Two. Years. Old. People come and go. 1988 is six years before Walt Jocketty took over the Cards.

kylerkelton
4 years ago
Reply to  JohnThacker

It’s funny when the article included some awesome projections for a great team but a stray Cardinals fact completely stole the show.

Cave Dameron
4 years ago
Reply to  JohnThacker

The Cardinals are just an incredibly consistent organization, always putting out a decent team. Their last losing seasons were 2007 and then 1999, and they still won 78 and 75 games in those seasons so they weren’t terrible.

Left of Centerfield
4 years ago
Reply to  Cave Dameron

How’s this for an amazing Cardinals’ fact: last time they lost 100 or more games was way back in 1908! It’s the longest streak of the original 16 franchises (tied with the Dodgers).

And from 1916 forward, they’ve only lost 90+ games three times:

1976: 90 losses
1978: 93 losses
1990: 92 losses

John NortheyMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Cave Dameron

The Cardinals prove that you don’t need to tank to be a winner on a low budget. Just like the Rays are doing too (just not for as long).

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  John Northey

The Cardinals do not have a low budget, and what the Rays are doing isn’t tanking but it is extreme cost control.

treebeardedMember since 2019
4 years ago
Reply to  John Northey

This helps to prove the “eye test,” which I always joke about with my baseball friends, that the Cardinals are the safest bet in the game. You can reliably pencil them in between 83-93 wins every year. Usually not world-beating. Never terrible.

NATS FanMember since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  JohnThacker

they added Pedro Guerrero and Milt Thompson between 1988 and 1989 and then everyone started hitting.

BenZobrist4MVP
4 years ago

Unless I am somehow missing the point of the comps, I’m pretty sure this means Ji-Man Choi is likely the future executive director of the Player’s Association.

NATS FanMember since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  BenZobrist4MVP

Ji-Man is one of my favorite players not on the NATS to watch play. It’s amazing how a guy that big can be as quick and athletic as he is. I find that fun to watch!

JoserMember since 2021
4 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

Yeah, it’s like Blues Brothers era Belushi doing cartwheels. Nowadays you’d just assume that (and the car crashes) was CGI, but — nope: all real, no computer trickery involved. That, uh, rather stocky individual really is that light on his feet. Panda at his peak had a lot of that too. And I agree, in part because it’s so rare and in part because how much it subverts your preconceptions, it’s just really fun.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago

This is how hard it is to find a comp for Wander Franco: Barry Larkin, who is Franco’s comp here, didn’t even hit the majors until his age 22 season. Next year will be Franco’s age 21 season.

steveo
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

He is unbelievably good. I’ve seen him a ton already and he looks the part of a top 25 player. My only nitpick is that he might be too stocky for SS long term but I think he’ll stay there for a while. Also I don’t think he’ll develop into an elite power hitter. I think he’s more 5 WAR type than 7-8 Trout/Tatis type unless he can tap into more power.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  steveo

I don’t know how he is as a defender, and Larkin was elite there. But offensively he does have some Barry Larkin-ish qualities. In his age 24 season, Larkin walked 6.3% of the time and struck out 3.7%. Franco plays in a higher-strikeout era so the rates won’t be the same, but I would think he’d be (comparatively) close on the + stats.

carterMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  steveo

He is young enough that the power is nowhere near final

steveo
4 years ago
Reply to  carter

It’s more about his swing than it is about strength. It’s why he doesn’t strike out much. I’m sure there’s a bit more power to come as he gets stronger, but I don’t see him being more than a 25 HR guy at peak. I don’ think he’ll compete for a HR title like Trout/Tatis.

Jimmy DuganMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  steveo

Mike Trout has been around 33% more valuable per plate appearance than Tatis. Trout’s worst hitting season ever was a 161 wRC+ in 2020, followed by 2 167 wRC+ full seasons. Whereas Tatis has put up a 151, 150, 156 in 2 partial seasons and a full(ish) season.

Tatis JR. is a fantastic baseball player, but it would be accurate to speculate that the difference in their true talent level is highly likely to lead to outcomes where Tatis’ best case scenario is inferior to Trout’s worst case scenario (assuming full playing time). (Indeed, Trout’s “worst” season so far was better on a rate basis than Tatis’ “best” season so far)

There is no Trout/Tatis type. There is nobody else in Trout’s tier.

But I would agree that it’s probably unlikely Wander consistently achieves even a 150 wRC+ without a significant increase in his power output

averagejoe15Member since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  Jimmy Dugan

I’ll start with Trout is an inner circle all-time great talent wise so clearly no one else is in Trout’s tier.

That said, while I agree Tatis isn’t as talented a hitter as Trout, I’d argue Tatis has another gear to hit as he matures defensively that could push him into 8+ WAR territory. Let’s not forget Tatis just turned 23.

He may not reach Trout’s 9-10 WAR heights consistently but based on true talent level Tatis’ best case scenario is greater than Trout’s worst case scenario at this point.

kylerkelton
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Does Wander feel like a Chipper Jones type hitter to anyone else?

averagejoe15Member since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  kylerkelton

Not really outside of being switch hitters who make a lot of contact. I don’t think Wander will ever walk as much as Chipper and Chipper tapped into a lot more power than I think Franco will.

I think Wander ends up somewhere between prime Altuve and prime Larkin (depending on how much he walks/how much power he eventually develops).

kylerkelton
4 years ago
Reply to  averagejoe15

That’s fair! His batted ball distribution does look very similar post 2015 Altuve.

Edit: And those are all great hitters, for what it’s worth. And it shows how great and unique Wander is. His skillset at his age is just awesome. You can’t put him in a box.

Sonny LMember since 2017
4 years ago
Reply to  kylerkelton

Wander has extraordinary bat-to-ball skills and that skill is about as sticky as can be. A player I’ve never seen mentioned as a comp is Mookie Betts. Not many people would have bet on Mookie to hit 30+ HR but the hit tool makes it possible to be a Game > Raw power hitter and it wouldn’t surprise me one but to see Franco do the same.

kylerkelton
4 years ago
Reply to  Sonny L

Oh yeah Mookie is a good one too!

averagejoe15Member since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  Sonny L

I actually initially had Mookie in my response to kylerkelton but flipped it to Altuve since prime Altuve hit .340 multiple times and was over .300 for 5 straight years all with walk rates below 10% which feels more like prime Wander’s profile than Mookie who is much more patient at the plate and one of his two over .300 seasons was a huge outlier (2018).

That said, you aren’t wrong. Mookie is a potential outcome depending on how Wander develops. Mookie’s swing is just geared for more loft than Wander’s.

Uncle SpikeMember since 2020
4 years ago

The depth on this team is absolutely insane. They can essentially have an A team and a B team and swap them out periodically.

LightenUpFGMember since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Spike

Yeah really. I was going to comment about how Vidal Brujan was going to crack the lineup when he’s got Franco and Lowe in the middle of the diamond ahead of him. Pretty good guy to have as a back up to some really good guys.

steveo
4 years ago
Reply to  LightenUpFG

He’ll probably get traded. Brujan is overrated though imo. Hit just alright in AAA with limited power. Got off to a crazy start then finished poorly.

averagejoe15Member since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  steveo

Brujan has played some CF I wouldn’t be surprised to see him out there with Margot and KK traded.

David Klein
4 years ago
Reply to  LightenUpFG

He played some OF in the minors no? I can see KK being traded to say the Phillies and so maybe Brujan gets a look see in the OF.

steveo
4 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Spike

Not really? The lineup really is just 4-5 deep and their rotation is nothing special with the best projection going to a rookie. Their depth is mostly relief pitching. They’ll still get a lot out of the roster because they’ve got one of the best managers in the game.

averagejoe15Member since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  steveo

That’s overselling Cash’s impact. Cash is a great manager because he’s great at getting everyone comfortable in their role and buying into the Rays’ playbook but it’s the FO’s roster building and the player dev guys who make the Rays’ wheel go round.

The Rays’ strength is putting players in positions to succeed based on their skill sets (driven by roster construction) and the nature of their depth (multi-positional guys who can play a couple positions at a high level and a bunch of quality arms who can come in and soak up volume).

montrealMember since 2022
4 years ago
Reply to  steveo

Exactly what I say Steve. Of course all the sheep vote you down because they have heard others say it. The dead truth ? Terrific Bullpen. Decent starters. Superstar in waiting ( Wander Franco) and a weak starting 9.

averagejoe15Member since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  montreal

And then they win 90+ games in the AL East every year with said weak lineup and decent starters and you all continue to question them.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago

I feel like we have to talk some more about the pitching. The lineup is fine, and probably will be still after they trade Kiermaier (and maybe Margot, and maybe Meadows) because Josh Lowe is projected for something like 1 win over 400 PAs. The highs of Franco and Lowe and Arozarena (and Meadows if he’s still there) will carry them even if the rest of the lineup is mediocre.

The pitching is a bit of a wild card. How long are they going to leave their starters in? In theory, you could see any of McClanahan, Yarbrough, Kluber, Glasnow, Baz, Rasmussen, or Patino regularly going 5-7 innings. In practice…probably not. If guys are hurt, are they going to be able to lean on others for something resembling a starter’s workload? I can’t figure out if this is the year it’s finally going to blow up on them or they’ve already proven that it works. My head thinks it blows up, but my gut says I’ve been wrong the last two times I’ve made that prediction so I’ll be wrong again if I make it here.

Jeff in JerseyMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I’m with you: I assume the Rays know way more than I do, but I keep thinking, there are nine innings, right?
Though I was also up in arms after the Snell trade, and we see how that worked out.

steveo
4 years ago
Reply to  Jeff in Jersey

Well they lost to the Red Sox because they ran out of pitching. Snell was always overrated, but losing Morton + Glasnow really doomed them.

averagejoe15Member since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  steveo

I disagree that the Rays lost because they ran out of pitching. Losing Glasnow was crushing but it was more about the Sox offense simply being hot in a short series than TB lacking pitching.

Ironically enough, it was the Sox who ran out of pitching against the Astros.

I also don’t think this is the year that Tampa runs out of arms. There are still so many quality arms on that list that they can cycle through. They do need two of their starters (ideally two of Baz, McClanahan, and Patino) to turn in high quality seasons and make it to the playoffs healthy if they want a WS however.

mariodegenzgz
4 years ago
Reply to  averagejoe15

They absolutely ran out of arms. Remember, they were forced to use their best one-inning arms when trailing because of that lack of depth. They had to use their opener for Game 4 in extra innings of Game 3 after blowing through every SIRP they had and would’ve been absolutely done had the game continued on much longer. The lack of bulk innings is why they felt desperate enough in G4 to go to a rookie (McClanahan) on short rest, because they had no way to cover those innings and everyone was gassed.

They need more bulk innings from pitchers not named McClanahan or Baz when October rolls around, or they’re going to get stonewalled again in the LDS. Their parade of relievers worked in the reg season because a) they avoided blow up outings at an astonishing rate, and b) they can shuffle guys up and down and always have at least a couple of fresh arms. No such thing in the postseason. If your strategy when your 5-inning starter fails to get through 5 is just bullpenning the game when you also have bullpen games prepared in the same series, you will lose.

Jross
4 years ago
Reply to  mariodegenzgz

Sox did the same thing with less arms and they won. Fans keep thinking they know more than the Ray’s, yet where do teams go first when they want a manager or new front office hire?

averagejoe15Member since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  mariodegenzgz

I suppose you’re right but don’t fully agree it was because of how the Rays staff is structured specifically.

Most teams would have been short of arms between the Game 2 shelling and the 13 inning game 3. That’s why it was less about the Rays running out of arms for me.

The Sox only had a Game 4 starter because ERod threw 40 pitches in less than 2 innings in game 1. The Sox planned starter for game 4, Pivetta, had to pitch in relief in game 3 himself

Very few teams are equipped with multiple 7 inning guys these days. That said the Rays definitely could have used Glasnow to at least have one guy who potentially could.

JoserMember since 2021
4 years ago
Reply to  averagejoe15

But you have to assume you’re going to run into a hot opposing offense in the postseason — that’s how some teams make it into the playoffs, getting hot late, and it’s very possible those are the teams you face in a short series. So you have to plan for that if you want to make it to the WS, which means you need more pitching depth than you might’ve been able to get away with over the summer (when you could cycle guys through the IL or the minors). That’s the last nut the Rays need to solve. It’s a like the Rays’ manifestation of Beane’s “My shit doesn’t work in the playoffs”

averagejoe15Member since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  Joser

Glasnow was the solution until he wasn’t.

David Klein
4 years ago
Reply to  steveo

Definitely should have kept Morton just cheapness on their part not picking up the option he was really good for the Braves.

LaBellaVitaMember since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  steveo

I wish I were more confident about absolute truths in a probabilistic world. While you are at it, can you explain why the Rays finished with 8 more wins than the Red Sox (same division), were 11-8 vs. the Red Sox going into the playoffs and 11-5 vs. the Red Sox after Glasnow was placed on the IL?

steveo
4 years ago
Reply to  LaBellaVita

Lol bragging about regular season wins against a team that beat you in the playoffs? Clearly a rays fan

Sandy Kazmir
4 years ago
Reply to  steveo

Tampa Bay lost because their 3 and 4 batters had about 3 hits the entire series combined.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Not Glasgow but 6 real starters is a pretty good start plus whatever they get for Kiermayer

LaBellaVitaMember since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

If you are interested in this question, you might check out the articles on DRaysBay by Ian Malinowski. I would link the articles, but I doubt it would pass the comment filter. Search for “DRaysBay Modern Baseball”. They were posted on Oct 7 last year.

Basically the model is that the Rays give their pitchers long down times relative to other teams. They do this by bulking up the number of innings: 7 to 12 outs per appearance.

As anticipated, the attempt to include the link causes the comment to await for moderation…

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  LaBellaVita

That’s a really good summary of how the Rays are doing pitching. I didn’t see the part about long down times relative to other teams, but that is news to me and interesting. But it seemed pretty clear that once Morton left and Glasnow went down they were going to be doing a lot of piggyback starter / MIRP types of things. They already had kind of done that in previous years.

In terms of what happens in the future, though, I’m not sure there are any predictions. I’ve long wondered if the Rays are going to be moving to a permanent piggyback / MIRP system, whether it would be even possible with a 13-pitcher roster limit, and whether it would burn out the staff. The Rays have been pushing harder and harder in this direction every year. This year they have a ton of young guys and a couple of hurt guys (Glasnow and Kluber), but how far is too far? What is the limit of the number of 2-3 and 3-5 inning guys on your roster before it’s just not enough innings?

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

They can probably skirt the 13 pitcher limit with the taxi squad, options and IL.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

They can probably do it, it just means commodifying pitching and being brutal about using guys up and throwing them away when they’re burnt out. So long as they can consistently develop average or better arms in the minors (probably a far easier task when you develop them to be MIRPs in the first place) and be good about identifying scrap heap guys who have at least a little value left, they should be fine.

It might be true that this fails when you have to win a playoff series, your good arms get overtaxed early, and you’re unable to get them sufficient rest before the next must-win game. But I’m not sure that anyone has enough data on that to wheedle out the noise.

Jeff in JerseyMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

See Anderson, Nick.

NATS FanMember since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I’ll take the Rays in any bet right now.

montrealMember since 2022
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

It WILL blow up. Too many weak hitters in that lineup starting with Choi and Zunino. Add Kiermaier, and Meadows is only good off righties. Etc. Things have broken right for the Rays the last bit. I am betting .500 and 4th place. I’m not saying they are BAD. I’m saying they are AVERAGE>

BubbaMember since 2016
4 years ago

Can we see Franco’s decile projections? Like, what’s his 90% outcome?

Jesse Brown
4 years ago
Reply to  Bubba

90% chance he stunts on some fools

joe_schlabotnik
4 years ago
Reply to  Bubba

check out the piece on his extension. i think its in there

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
4 years ago

Nope!

jmichaelpenn19
4 years ago

Was there a glitch when computing Austin Meadows with a +1 on Def?

casey jMember since 2019
4 years ago
Reply to  jmichaelpenn19

Or Josh Lowe with a -7. I haven’t watched him a ton, but his reputation is he is plus out there.

jmichaelpenn19
4 years ago
Reply to  casey j

I’d love to hear Szym chime in here…Meadows has never been a good defender.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  jmichaelpenn19

Maybe he’s +1 at DH.

IanMember since 2018
4 years ago

A -7 Defense rating for Josh Lowe? Why such a shift from last year and a guy who was seen as an elite defender coming up?

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
4 years ago

26 players of at least 1 WAR has to be some kind of record

esperadok
4 years ago

Now that you mention it, a middle infield that compares to Barry Larkin and Chase Utley does sound like a pretty good contender for the best in baseball

Jross
4 years ago

BLowe wasn’t just underrated by the award voters. Fangraphs didn’t even have him in their 2021 top 50 most value players.

Dmjn53
4 years ago

Can’t say I pay too much attention to awards, but LeMahieu getting a silver slugger nomination over Lowe is inexcusable and needs an explanation

catmanwayne
4 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

Batting average matters to somebody who has voting power when deciding awards, plus Yankees bias? That said, LeMahieu’s .268 AVG last season isn’t really that special either.

NATS FanMember since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  catmanwayne

Silver Slugger is just a popularity contest.

NATS FanMember since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

Just kidding

JoserMember since 2021
4 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

History is so replete with inexplicable Silver Slugger winners that there’s no room in the question box for baffling nominations.

montrealMember since 2022
4 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

I’m a Yankee fan and I agree.

Broken BatMember since 2020
4 years ago

What a deep and interchangeable system. For both pitching and lineup construction. That is the strength of the Rays. Dependable players with upside. Somehow winning as a team has been hypnotized into their DNA. They leave their Ego’s in the car. IMO both Wells and Brujan will see more innings than folks expect. If Lowe can handle 2b, he likely will be able to handle first base on occasion. Now add Brujan and his wheels or even Wells and the fb’s to the following hitters are going to come. I expect a huge year from Meadows if he is not dealt. Brujan was given time in the outfield to make him even more valuable. The Rays remain the team to beat in 2022 in AL because of their depth, sorry Jays.

Rex Manning DayMember since 2022
4 years ago
Reply to  Broken Bat

“They leave their egos in the car.”

I mean, it’s pretty easy to keep everyone’s ego in check when your franchise just automatically gets rid of any player with the tenure and resume to start demanding that they not be wildly underpaid.

montrealMember since 2022
4 years ago
Reply to  Broken Bat

The Jays are so much better than Tampa that you can’t even measure it.

Uncle SpikeMember since 2020
4 years ago

Dan, curious as to why ZIPs doesn’t buy into Jonathan Aranda’s power uptick. ZIPs projects him for an 86 OPS+ and .128 ISO whereas Steamer has him at a 110 wRC+ and .162 ISO. Is it mostly track record prior to 2021 or is there something else it sees that it doesn’t like?

Jason BMember since 2017
4 years ago

It’s not at all any sort of problem, but I was curious as to why the pitchers’ advanced stats include both ERA+ and ERA-? Aren’t they just the reverse of one another (i.e., 1/ERA+ = ERA-)?

Jimmy DuganMember since 2020
4 years ago

Why do the WAR totals change between the graphical depth chart and the spreadsheets? (e.g. McClanahan *2.5 vs McClanahan 2.0 WAR)

Doug LampertMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  Jimmy Dugan

IIRC, the graphic uses the Fangraphs depth chart playing times, while the chart gives the ZIPS estimated playing time.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug Lampert

And as Dan will constantly note, ZiPS is not a playing time estimator.

raysfan7777Member since 2022
4 years ago

That’s a pretty great comp for Yarbrough!

lch20sMember since 2021
4 years ago

A very generic question; not specific to the Rays. Why do the WAR in the diagram not match the WAR in the data table?

Lunch AngleMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  lch20s

The diagram WAR is based on projected playing time at that position at 162 games, which is independent of projected PAs for each individual player.

David Klein
4 years ago

Ahh a Kevin McReynolds comp for Meadows! McReynolds was one of my fav Mets in my early days of watching baseball. McReynolds was called lazy by fans because he was so stoic and everything he did looked so easy for him. It didn’t help that Mitchell won the mvp in 89 but career wise they were very similar in value and the Padres flipped Mitchell over to the Giants mere months after the trade. McReynolds and Straw really carried the Mets offense in 88 with Keith hurt and Carter fading I have very fond memories of Kmac.

BrianMember since 2020
4 years ago

Dan, have you ever done a post about the tech stack that underlies ZiPS? All on your laptop, or do you have a VM somewhere? Where do you source your data — and it is it just in a MySQL db, or something else? Do you work in Python, R, something else?

Curious minds want to know 🙂

Thanks for the awesome stuff!

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
4 years ago

I see ZiPS still believes in old man Cruz. 120 OPS+ is quite good! I’d be interested to know if any other 42 year olds have had that kind of projection (non-Bonds division?)

joe_schlabotnik
4 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

seems like 41 is a bit of a cutoff, can’t hardly find any 42 year old seasons!
checked thome first, wrc ‘d 129 as a 40 yo and 112 as a 41 yo. sheffield wrcd 122 as a 40 yo, then retired. seems like papi certainly would have been projected to (he might still be projected for 120 if zips ran him for 2022).
and everyones favorite, harold baines, wrc’d 135 as a 40 yo before falling off precipitously.
So yeah, pretty impressive!

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago

He only had about 300 PAs at ages 42 and 43 but Andres Galarraga did pretty well for himself.

Mitchell MooreMember since 2020
4 years ago

Even Willie Mays finally fell off the cliff at age 42 after posting 157 & 132 wRC+ in his age 40 & 41 seasons.

Jason BMember since 2017
4 years ago
Reply to  Mitchell Moore

That cliff, it always wins eventually!

mariodegenzgz
4 years ago

I’d probably take 1 win away from Lowe based on the fact that he’s an absolute ghost in the postseason.

JoserMember since 2021
4 years ago
Reply to  mariodegenzgz

Old lady: “That’s not how that works. That’s not how any of this works.”

Delabar
4 years ago

Heads up Dan, it looks like Chirinos is misspelled as “Chorinos” on the ballpark graphic!

NATS FanMember since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  Delabar

isn’t that a Mexican pastry?

Jason BMember since 2017
4 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

Mexican pastry? It’s like you’re flashing the bat signal to Bartolo Colon…

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

Maybe he meant “chorizos”?

tdouglas
4 years ago

Besides that amazing Cardinals stat, there’s something else to mention with them. You brought up the Padres and Rangers as possible best-in-baseball infields, but STL is surprisingly in that conversation. They obviously aren’t at the top — the groupings of Tatis, Jr., Cronenworth, and Machado, and Seager and Semien, make that impossible — but they have quality players in every spot.

Arenado and Goldschmidt are solidly well above-average, and Edman has a high floor as an average player and could turn into an All-Star with a minor offensive boost (ZiPS seems to love him). I don’t see how Gorman finds playing time, since there are better players at all of his positions, but his projection is surprisingly good for a rookie. The combination of Dejong and Sosa are probably average but certainly playable; that’s the spot that will hold the infield back from being the best.

As for the Rays, I wonder if Wander will immediately upgrade his offense in year 2 or take a few years to become a consistent 150 wRC+ guy. There’s no doubt in my mind he’ll get there. I think we’re going to look at 2022 as a harbinger year for Franco in terms of his total career output.

montrealMember since 2022
4 years ago

In my opinion, too many fans just say the same thing they have heard from others. Wow. What a good team. Their starting pitching is good, especially with Shane Baz. Their relievers are very good. 5 or 6 very good arms in the bullpen. But their offence is not good. Too many weak hitters. Kiermaier and Zunino are flat out lousy hitters. Arozarena is decent but overrated. Wander Franco is going to be a star. I give them that. Manny Margot and Choi ?? Bench warmers on a lot of teams. Youngsters like Walls, Brujan and Josh Lowe do not project very well. Brandon Lowe has serious power. Put it all together and I see a below average offence. I don’t see them making the playoffs. Assuming the Yankees and Red Sox make moves. The Blue Jays are excellent.

Connor Grey
4 years ago
Reply to  montreal

So I count 14 pitchers currently in the Rays organization who aren’t on the 40 man roster who project to be above replacement level (this includes Tyler Zombro, who I don’t know whether or not he’ll ever pitch again, and Ezequiel Zabaleta, who was a minor league Rule 5 pick before the ‘21 season and I don’t know whether or not he’s a free agent).

I think this is just going to be another typical Rays season. There’s just too many good baseball players in their organization for them to win less than 90+ games. The position players might slip back to the middle of the pack but there’s such a ridiculous amount of competent pitching that I don’t think it’d be wise to pick this team to miss the postseason.