A Year Without Marcus Stroman

This time, at least, it’s a little different. Yu Darvish sustained an injury while pitching. Cliff Lee sustained an injury while pitching. Gavin Floyd, Masahiro Tanaka, Jose Fernandez, Matt Harvey, so many of the others — they sustained their injuries while pitching. Marcus Stroman sustained an injury while fielding. His throwing arm is completely fine. His throwing arm, also, is completely useless to him at the moment, because you can’t pitch through a torn ACL. The freak injury will knock Stroman out for the duration of 2015, and though he should be good to go after that, the calendar says “2015” right now, and we’ll be without something we all thought we’d have. Stroman, like the others, has been taken from his team, and he’s been taken from the game.

There’s also that other twist. Darvish is a devastating loss, but then, the Rangers didn’t seem particularly poised to challenge for the playoffs. Lee would be another devastating loss, but even with him healthy, the Phillies looked like a mess. Floyd was just re-injured, and the Indians could win the AL Central, but the Indians also have a ton of pitching depth, and they knew Floyd was a risk. The Blue Jays had dreams of winning the World Series. Stroman figured to be the No. 1, and the team didn’t look deep with him. This is a massive blow, and it’s a massive blow to a team right on that win-curve position where a massive blow can be the most massive. People are mourning this. It’s not that much of an overreaction.

It’s important to understand the greater context, here. At least, to acknowledge it. The loss of Stroman is a loss for everyone, but he’s especially a loss for fans in Toronto. Not that the fans are more important than Stroman himself, since this is Stroman’s career and he’s the one who’s hurting, but there are reasons why this is particularly crushing to the community.

Fans have fallen in love with Stroman and his story. He was drafted and developed by the Jays, and he moved quickly, and last year he had good success in the majors. He’s a long-term core piece, and more than that, he’s a long-term core piece with personality and smarts to match. Stroman’s been easy to dream on, and his repertoire is something out of a video game. Stroman’s been on the rise as the Jays have been on the rise, and this was to be a special season, with Stroman right in the middle of it. All the ingredients have been in place for Stroman to be a first-tier fan favorite.

And Stroman’s gone, suddenly. For only a year, but we all suck at focusing on the future. And now, remember, the Blue Jays have the longest playoff drought in the major leagues. It’s been 21 seasons since they won the 1993 World Series. They haven’t sniffed the playoffs since, and the second-longest drought spans a comparatively brief 13 years. Granted, the Jays did win consecutive championships. A lot of people who follow the Jays weren’t yet alive. Having to wait a couple decades does something to one’s patience.

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And, hey, I don’t know much about basketball, and it seems the Raptors are in first place, but they’ve only ever once made it past the first round. They haven’t provided much in the way of Blue Jays relief. And then there are the Maple Leafs, who seem to be one of the biggest disasters in their league. Their most recent playoff appearance was soul-crushing, and this year they’ve gone a different route entirely. Observe the Maple Leafs’ playoff odds over time, courtesy of this site:

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I am not a Toronto local. I don’t know exactly how it feels to be a Toronto local. I can make only some educated guesses, but my primary educated guess is that it’s been difficult to be a Toronto-area sports fan, and this latest Stroman news rips away one of the few things to cling to. Stroman represented that glimmer of real hope. Real hope does remain, in this year and next, but losing Stroman makes everything harder, and losing Stroman makes everything darker. You don’t want to look up when it’s raining.

So there’s an emotional aspect here. This is acutely painful for Jays fans. It’s also painful for baseball fans — Stroman looked to be one of the very most watchable players in the game. We’ll all have to wait before we see him again. Still, you have to consider that which is beyond emotion. Rather coldly, the Blue Jays front office must now evaluate where the team is positioned.

And the team is still positioned to be in the race. Perhaps that’s the one bright side. Stroman’s good, potentially really good, but he’s not Mike Trout, and the Jays without Stroman aren’t the Rangers without Darvish. With Stroman gone, we still have the Jays projected to be a little better than .500. They’re basically even with the Yankees and Rays, and the Yankees might be waiting for the other Tanaka shoe to drop. But more important then the projected standings are the odds. Before the Stroman news, we had the Blue Jays with a 23% shot at the division, and a 19% shot at the wild card. Unfortunately the odds haven’t yet updated, but I’d guess that Toronto’s playoff odds will drop from 42% to something like 32%. This hurts, but it isn’t totally crushing.

A big issue is it strains what was already some limited depth. Obviously, Mark Buehrle remains. R.A. Dickey remains. Drew Hutchison remains. Now, though, two spots will have to go to Marco Estrada, Daniel Norris, and Aaron Sanchez. Johan Santana could become available soon. I don’t need to tell you about the upside there. Nor do I need to tell you about the downside. Maybe the Hollywood version would be that Santana came out of nowhere to contribute, and then by some miracle Stroman became available in October. That would make for an unforgettable story. Tons of unforgettable stories have never been written.

This is a hell of an opportunity for Norris. Santana, too, who only would’ve signed with Toronto in the first place because he thought he might get a chance. It isn’t clear what Sanchez might do, and Estrada could be a real No. 4/5 with a handful of fly balls staying in the yard. One truth about depth: you usually need a lot of it. Another truth about depth: you don’t always need a lot of it, and though the Jays will be challenged without Stroman, maybe they’ll get lucky from here on out.

As far as trades go, you can never be sure. Alex Anthopoulos is constantly talking to everyone in the league. His whole method is wearing other executives down, and if there’s one GM in baseball who will consider all the realistic and unrealistic options, it’s this guy. It’s only natural to connect the Jays to Cole Hamels. It’s only natural to connect the Jays to anyone. They’ll think about them all. It’s a part of the model.

But it also seems like the Jays are short on money, and while they could free a little up by moving Dioner Navarro, a few million dollars doesn’t get you much, and as far as the Hamels thing is concerned, the Phillies have indicated no willingness to pay Hamels down. Other pieces are out there, but they might not be better than the pieces the Jays already have in-house, so what we might end up seeing are a few months of evaluation. Could be we see a waiver claim, but maybe this ends up a subject the front office revisits in July.

The job of a front office is to deal with whatever’s presented, swiftly and objectively. Anthopoulos is thinking about a year without Marcus Stroman because he has to. He has to move past the emotional blow, because an executive can’t let himself get caught up in despair and dejection. The Jays are already thinking about how this can be salvaged, and they know this can be salvaged, with good luck and good decisions. In time, the fans will get there, too. The fans will deal, and baseball will be played, and games will be won. For fans of the Blue Jays, good moments are ahead. They’ve just never felt further away.





Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.

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Bob Hilbig
11 years ago

Heard Santana will likely be ready in May. So Not ready right off the bat.

Cory S.
11 years ago
Reply to  Bob Hilbig

How much of “him being ready” does that really buy you? 100 innings max?

Rational Fan
11 years ago
Reply to  Bob Hilbig

If John Danks can never fully recover from that same shoulder surgery (only two to have had it) at the age of 29, then Johan has no chance. Danks lost 6 MPH, Johan was already down, so now what’s he sitting? 83-84?

Apparently the injuries those two had are still near career ending.

Max G
11 years ago
Reply to  Bob Hilbig

It would be awesome if Santana made a glorious comeback and started in even 15 games for the Jays. That would be more than I’d expect, given his age and history.

As a Bluejays fan, I found this Stroman injury so devastating that I couldn’t even bring myself to comment on it in social media. That news hit me out of the blue like a sucker punch.

I was very excited about this 2015 team, and Stroman was a big reason why. Although I’m still excited to see how Donaldson and Martin impact the win column, I was very much looking forward to a full season of Marcus Stroman. Short of trading for Cliff Lee, I’m not sure how we fill the void.

holymoly
11 years ago

they have enough options (estrada, norris, sanchez, hendriks) to cover the bottom slots seviceably….but replacing a top of the rotation guy is impossible to do internally without a big surprise.

come on, VanMan, surprise us. please.

Pale Hose
11 years ago

Stroman should just get his TJ now since he’s out anyway. Sad face.

Carl Swenson
11 years ago
Reply to  Pale Hose

Or he could just learn to pitch lefty

Ballfan
11 years ago
Reply to  Carl Swenson

I wonder if that would ever be a thing
pre-emptive TJ surgery….

baltic wolfMember since 2026
11 years ago
Reply to  Ballfan

With these new 3D printers being able to print just about anything if the software is right, why not?

So many good pitching prospects have had TJ surgery anyway lately. Give most of your pitching prospects better ligaments than nature gave them and delay their development one year. The only obstacle I can see: will the body reject a fabricated ligament?

I suspect somebody will try it out in the not too distant future and see what happens.

burpzilla
11 years ago
Reply to  Ballfan

Read Jonah Keri’s article

RichW
11 years ago
Reply to  Ballfan

Some teenagers have had it done. Some Doctors consider it unethical.

Bloomberg
11 years ago

Criminy! It’s like if you’re an uber-talented MLB pitcher in your early to mid 20’s you’re on an endangered species list. This sucks, baseball gods!

rjspears
11 years ago

Wow. I almost traded for Stroman. I’m glad I dodged that bullet.

arc
11 years ago
Reply to  rjspears

That’s fascinating. Please keep us updated.

StroShow
11 years ago
Reply to  arc

Hahaha.
Hey RJ. See the other Stroman post on Instagrafs for a clear description of how much people on the internet care about your fantasy team.

I’ll give you a hint: It’s not a lot.

Eric
11 years ago
Reply to  rjspears

Fuck yourself with a pineapple

steex
11 years ago
Reply to  rjspears

There are exactly 29 people you could be that would make me care about your dodged bullet.

Matt
11 years ago

Guess now you can throw another comp on Stroman: Mariano Rivera
The legend grows!

Yunel's Eye Black
11 years ago
Reply to  Matt

LOL

As a Jays fan I’m devastated, but as a troll, that was great.

Igloo
11 years ago

Trolling =/= Quality Humor

Google and highlight Heidi Klum is having a baby with Paul Konerko for charity.

notnotAdam
11 years ago

Jeff, you’ve sewn together a well crafted bandage to cover the fresh Stroman wound on my heart.

When the next staff ace goes down in a couple days, I hope you provide similar relief and consolation.

Anon
11 years ago

the second-longest drought spans a comparatively brief 13 years
Second longest active drought. Pittsburgh had a longer drought than 13 years.

someone
11 years ago
Reply to  Anon

I believe that was implied

Ruben
11 years ago

Hamels for Stroman

Amaro
11 years ago
Reply to  Ruben

No. Lee and Howard for Norris + prospects.

André
11 years ago
Reply to  Amaro

I hate both of you.

Wobatus
11 years ago
Reply to  Amaro

No, Dillon Gee for a peameal bacon sandwich and a six-pack of Labatt.

Anonymous
11 years ago
Reply to  Wobatus

The deli hangs up first.

pft
11 years ago
Reply to  Ruben

That actually makes some sense. Not like the Phillies are competing this year and an ACL injury for a SP’er is not the end of the world. Need another prospect to throw in.

Mark
11 years ago
Reply to  pft

If by some sense, you mean no sense, then yes, I agree.

Spa City
11 years ago

Stroman is so much fun to watch – there are not many pitchers like him. The Jays have Norris and Sanchez, both of whom are pretty good at pitching. But Stroman seemed like their #1 starter.

Spring training is becoming a nightmare – I find myself checking mlbtraderumors daily just for the latest TJ surgery news.

Roger
11 years ago

This is as close to a must-make-a-trade situation as you get in spring training, isn’t it? It’s hard to see how the Jays’ internal options can get them a starting rotation good enough to hang in their divisional race the way a Hamels or even a Jon Niese or Bartolo Colon deal could.

Jared
11 years ago
Reply to  Roger

Who would it take for the Jays to send Reyes back to the Mets? Niese and Flores?

Roger
11 years ago
Reply to  Jared

I feel unable to discuss this with any semblance of rationality, since I’m a Mets fan and Reyes is by far my favorite ballplayer, so basically this is just rosterbating for the sake of it, grain of salt, all that — but for the first time since Reyes left New York I think you can almost see a reasonable rationale for it, if you fudge all the different factors in just the right direction. Toronto doesn’t want to take on more salary but moving some (and eating some, clearly) of Reyes’s money would help them even their books out while taking on some of the Mets’ starting-pitching surplus. The argument for the Mets to do it is perhaps more wishful and fannish — he’s well into the decline stage of his career — but you could see how shoring up SS could make sense, and Murphy could perhaps even be made part of the deal to even out the offense a little for Toronto.

Jays fan
11 years ago
Reply to  Roger

Why would the jays dump reyes? This is just insanity – who plays short in that scenario ? Goins/kowasaki? Give me a break. Reyes’ bat is still one of the best for a ss in the league despite the unsubstantiated beliefs of a lot of jays fans

Roger
11 years ago
Reply to  Roger

Eh, like I said it’s just rosterbating at this point (and I promise I love Reyes as much as you do), but I still think you can come up with a scenario where dealing Reyes makes the team better, not worse. Imagine the Jays moving Reyes plus prospects for a better-hitting 2B and a starting pitcher — they can man SS with some combination of Kawasaki and Izturis, black holes at 2B whose bats play somewhat better at short. Reyes is a good player, but his production isn’t impossible to replace, particularly if you look at 2B and OF as well.

Mike13
11 years ago

As a Toronto guy that may be the worst possible thing I could’ve heard today, I’d be good with anyone that can put up solid innings to trade for.

Jason B
11 years ago
Reply to  Mike13

I’m a Jays fan (MLB) and an Eagles fan (NFL). Looks like I picked the wrong week to give up drinking.

John
11 years ago

I’m a Red Sox fan but that doesn’t matter when it comes to injuries. As a fan of baseball this is a shame. I was getting hyped up to watch stroman pitch and it had me more interested than an ace ever could because he was more of a wildcard but now that is gone.

Not a Jays Fan
11 years ago

Man. I had to post this twice today, apparently…

This bums me out. I don’t like Spring Training today.

elevenrecords
11 years ago

They should trade 60% of Michael Saunder’s medial meniscus for Erasmo Ramirez.

pft
11 years ago

They are going to get killed with that rotation. Need to make a deal for pitching.

Pitchers should never be asked to do more than going 50% in fielding drills in ST. That’s just a dumb way to lose your ace. Its one thing if it happens in a game.

Kevin
11 years ago

“Tons of unforgettable stories have never been written.”

Great line.

Paul M
11 years ago

Thanks for the perceptive write-up Jeff. People in my office is Southwestern Ontario were walking around kind of vacant-eyed when the news broke. It’s just a really bad day…

pat neshek
11 years ago

It certainly sucks Stroman is out, but this article employs pathos a bit more than i’m used to on FG.
After speculating on various Toronto sports teams that you clearly don’t know much about, you write early on that
“It’s been 21 seasons since they won the 1993 World Series. They haven’t sniffed the playoffs since, and the second-longest drought spans a comparatively brief 13 years”
But then end the article by saying “For fans of the Blue Jays, good moments are ahead. They’ve just never felt further away.” Obviously this melodramatic conclusion just isn’t true. It seems obvious that “good moments” felt much further away at points during the 21 year playoff drought that you mentioned earlier than they do now after having acquired Josh Donaldson and Russell Martin to add to a core of sluggers, along with having other intriguing pitching prospects including Daniel Norris, one of the most anticipated in all of baseball emerging. This is a setback, but it comes at the end of a long drought and certainly is nothing compared with being in the middle of multiple decades of lousy baseball.
In addition, when postulating that Anthopolous “has to move past the emotional blow, because an executive can’t let himself get caught up in despair and dejection,” it just seems like you were writing the conclusion quickly and got lost in the melodrama of your own language. Anthopolous isn’t a kid finding out his dog died, he is a crafty general manager, a statistician and a man working for a business.
We’ll all miss getting to watch Marcus Stroman, but your “reactionary piece” could have used a little editing.

shadraaq
11 years ago
Reply to  pat neshek

still butthurt from 93 campbell conference finals

New Year's Resolution for shadraaq and many others
11 years ago
Reply to  shadraaq

I will stop using “butthurt” in a derogatory manner because I want to start respecting people of all sexual orientations.

Counterpoint
11 years ago

I am a gay man and I’ve never once considered “butt hurt” to be an anti-gay slur in any way, shape, or form. Lighten up, Francis.

ABsteve
11 years ago

what does butthurt have to do with any particular sexual orientation? You’re dating the wrong girls.

Matt G
11 years ago

I’m a Toronto sports fan. My wife has taken all the laces off my shoes and hidden my belts. It’s for the best.

cnote66Member since 2017
11 years ago
Reply to  Matt G

And my wife asked me to draft Tommy John in the upcoming draft, since that guy is all she hears about on MLB shows.

shadraaq
11 years ago

Full on Brett Anderson injury.

Gary
11 years ago

Here’s a thought. I’ve been advocating for two trades all winter and have been completely ridiculed. Here they are:

Dioner Navarro for Cliff Pennington. Pretty obvious, been discussed a lot. Mid level players with 1 year of control from areas of depth to areas of need. Yes, AZ is rebuilding and Dioner doesn’t help them past this year, but they aren’t punting the year, nor should they. I really think they want to upgrade at C.

Jose Reyes+cash for Ian Kennedy or another San Diego starter. The Pads need offence and MIF’s. They’re (supposedly) considering 50M for Olivera, so they might prefer a known MLB calibre player. They have multiple starters on contract years, so depending on who works out, they’ll likely want to turn one or more into a player with more control.

Getting out of Reyes’ contract is a good idea and fits with what the club has been doing (improving defence and eliminating injury risk). 3 years of Reyes has real value so if the money is right and he’s replaced by a good defender with a good-enough bat, trading him could solve our pitching problem and set us up for next offseason. The offence would take a hit but the real problems are injuries and pitching.

Orsulakfan
11 years ago

Maybe Stroman does have a great personality and all that, but he did throw at Caleb Joseph’s head last September. He was probably put up to it by Reyes, who felt he had been tagged too hard (or something, it is unclear what Jose was upset about). About the incident, Joseph said, “There is life outside of baseball. I have a wife and baby on the way. Those are the type of things that go through your head when that kind of stuff happens. Glad it didn’t hit me. Yeah, there is a code. Every baseball player knows there is a code. I’m not here to judge intent or any of that stuff. I’m just glad it didn’t hit me. We’re just trying to win the game. At that point, a win is better than any kind of retaliation you can have.”

It’s a shame when players get injured, but the narrative that makes it an extra shame because Stroman is a nice guy is sort of weird. It’s a shame when anyone gets hurt. Or is it talent that we’re really sad about?

ABsteve
11 years ago
Reply to  Orsulakfan

who cares about the freakin O’s. I think you took away from this article what you wanted, quote the statement talking about him being a nice guy in this article, this quote is what the point is:
“This is a massive blow, and it’s a massive blow to a team right on that win-curve position where a massive blow can be the most massive. People are mourning this. It’s not that much of an overreaction.”

he didn’t hit Joseph move on with your life, I remember the O’s throwing at Bautista’s head twice in the last series of the season in Showalter’s first year, I moved on, of course he’s no Caleb Joseph

Mike Green
11 years ago
Reply to  Orsulakfan

Stroman apologized and said that he was not head-hunting. I know that Showalter wasn’t buying it at the time, but may or may not have changed his mind subsequently.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/09/16/toronto-blue-jays-pitcher-marcus-stroman-says-hes-upset-over-claims-that-he-threw-at-orioles-batter/

Orsulakfan
11 years ago
Reply to  Mike Green

Well I don’t believe Stroman when he says he wasn’t head-hunting on that pitch, and few people in the ballpark would believe him. It is, however, possible that he let his emotions get the best of him and that he is not a bad guy. He’s still very young, after all. I think more of the blame falls on Reyes and the veterans in the Jays dugout for putting him up to it, although he shouldn’t throw at the head if he is trying to send a message pitch. Even his manager seemed to agree in that article… he didn’t exactly issue an emphatic defense there. As for the fact that he didn’t end up hitting Joseph… but what if he had?

My broader point was that I don’t see why we often feel the need to characterize someone as a good person if we admire their talent. From the level of appreciating a potential talent, it is a shame that Stroman tore his ACL. That’s where it stops for me.

Mylegacy
11 years ago

Time for the Jays to think outside the box.

Stroman was gonna be the great hope. Sigh. His kinky knee now introduces a challenge they didn’t expect to have to face, sigh.

Ironically, Stroman (and Hutchison) were the first two of SIX ready, or very nearly ready, for prime time starting pitching prospects – the other four are: Sanchez and Norris (they could actually beat the door down this year), Osuna (had he not been injured last year he’d most likely be the favorite over Sanchez and Norris to make it this year, and Castro, the string bean with the 100 mph heater, is expected to challenge for a role on the squad at some time this year.

By the end of this season – IF the Jays have ended up meeting the Stroman Challenge it will most likely be because – for a material part of the season – Sanchez and Norris contributed significantly in the rotation and Castro filled (for a material amount of the season) the role Sanchez was projected for in the back end of the pen. That leaves Osuna who could end up contributing in some role this season as well.

The Jays still have a possible, perhaps even almost probable, route to victory this year – however, it’ll necessitate two or three of their great pitching prospects to bloom a year early. Stranger things have happened. Stranger things often do happen. Maybe, for the first time ever stranger good things will have to happen in Toronto. “Toronto the good” where good things go to die.

Next year, a healthy Stroman will be joined by the five young guys above and Hoffman (and perhaps others) challenging for what by then should be a spectacular gaggle of young pitchers.

Keyser Soze
11 years ago

This injury is a brutal blow to the Jays and baseball fans for the coming season. I was definitely looking forward to watching Stroman pitch.

That said, if there was ever perfect timing for the Jays to sign a catcher like Russell Martin, this is it. With the potential for two new young but talented starters, not to mention Hutchison still being relatively young, it will be intrinsically important to have a savvy veteran catcher in place.

Martin is known as a great teammate and leader, and there is his potential impact as a pitch framer. Jays fans have to hope that he can help guide the young pitchers through the MLB growing pains quickly. If he can make them effective (plus Estrada if he ends up starting) the Jays are still a strong contender.

It will be a shame to not be able to watch Stro but there is still a lot to like about the coming season as a Jays fan.

Saga
11 years ago

I can’t put any better words to yours, Jeff, about how ugh this injury is for Stroman and everyone who thinks about him, so I won’t. I just want to say that while I understand the desire in showing that the Leafs are making TOR sports fans unhappy this year, that’s not a surprise nor is it unusual. At all.

I'm Your Huckleberry
11 years ago

I have a point to make about your pitch comps piece for Stroman.

Beckett’s cutter got an 11.4 SwStr%. Solidly above the 9.7% league average.

Gerrit Cole and Chris Archer got 18.6% and 16.1% swinging strikes with their sliders, respectively. Both above the 15.2% league average.

Kyle Drabek’s change got a 16% SwStr rate and a 63.6 GB rate. Both above average, the grounder rate by a significant margin.

Chad Billingsly’s change was horrible.

Point being, even his comps that aren’t Halladay, Cueto or Fernandez are pretty decent, aside from the Billingsly change. Which at least got an averageish grounder rate. I could see the cutter, change and slider playing up because of the nastiness of his fastballs and curve.

Also, while Stroman’s changeup itself is similar to Billingsly, Stroman throws a couple MPH harder, which should help his changeup play up.

I like looking at your pitch comps and then looking at the SwStr and grounder rates for those guys. If there is a big difference between the pitch in question and it’s comps, I like to look at other factors (the rest of a pitcher’s arsenal, location, etc.) to see if there is a reason this difference will or will not stick.

Marsupial Jones
11 years ago

Time to introduce Designated Fielders so pitchers dont have to field the ball and risk injury.

Baltar
11 years ago

Even though I’m a Rays fan, I feel really bad about Stroman’s injury. I was really looking forward to seeing what he would do this year.