Alex Cobb’s Patience Actually Worked
Here, I thought it virtually inevitable that Alex Cobb would settle for something similar to the Lance Lynn contract. The pitchers have similar ages, strengths, and profiles, and both Cobb and Lynn happen to have turned down qualifying offers. A week and a half ago, Lynn signed with the Twins for a year and $12 million, after spending the offseason aiming much higher. In my head, I figured that would be Cobb’s fate, too. There are worse things. Yet Cobb has emerged with something much stronger, something more lucrative. Seemingly despite the odds, Cobb now has more or less the contract he wanted all along, agreeing to terms with the Orioles for four years and $57 million.
In the bigger picture, it’s not surprising, since Cobb was expected to get something like this back in December. In the smaller picture, it is surprising, given how the market played out. And it’s additionally surprising, given the Orioles’ reluctance to sign pitchers to long-term deals. I don’t think this was ever the likelihood, which helps to explain why it took so long in the first place. But for Cobb, he’s got a home, in a familiar division. And for the Orioles, they’ve patched another rotation together, after appearing shorthanded. While they might be the East’s worst team, we’ve heard that before. They’re going to give this another shot.
It’s not like it’s Cobb who deserves the credit here. At least, not the bulk of it, when it comes to discussing the actual terms. Maybe it was just a stroke of luck, I don’t know, but this is a heck of a turn for Cobb’s agent. The Beverly Hills Sports Council — specifically, Dan Horwits — didn’t seem to really have any leverage. Certainly not any more than Lynn’s agent had. Still, the Orioles came around, maybe even bidding against themselves, for all I know. I know that the offseason will actually end when Greg Holland finds a contract, but this is something of a palate-cleanser, for anyone who felt like the market turned sour. Here’s a middle-class free agent who ultimately *wasn’t* disappointed.
The way Cobb tells it, the Orioles were persistent all offseason, which Cobb appreciated. They always made him feel wanted, in a market where teams were increasingly critical. Now, news of this signing came out on March 20, a week and a half away from opening day. If Cobb and the Orioles were enthusiastic about one another, this would’ve happened months ago. Based on the timeline, maybe Cobb’s side was holding out for more money, or another team. Things ended up where they ended up. Cobb’s going to help the Orioles try to push for the wild card.
Just in terms of personnel, the Orioles’ rotation overhaul has been impressive. At the start of the offseason, they had only Dylan Bundy and Kevin Gausman. Now their rotation is rounded out by Cobb, Andrew Cashner, and Chris Tillman. There are reasons to be skeptical about all of them, but it’s at least much better than nothing. It no longer feels quite like a fantasy to envision the Orioles in the hunt. One can assume the bullpen will hold. The lineup is at least going to mash its dingers. While the Orioles are going to be nobody’s favorite, they can play on the fringes. Provided they can forget about the Yankees and the Red Sox, they might only have to keep up with, say, the Blue Jays or the Twins or the Angels.
The situation looks worse after this year. Among other critical players, Manny Machado is expected to leave. And while the Orioles’ farm system isn’t hopeless, it’s not considered to be among the best. The organization doesn’t look to have such a bright future, which is why this is a somewhat weird fit. You’d think that, in theory, Cobb would work best on a team within a multi-year window of contention. The Cubs used to be a strong suitor, and that made sense. The Orioles make less sense, but that doesn’t mean they make no sense. Plain and simple, Cobb is a better option than most of their pitchers.
Especially this offseason, there’s so much focus on money. Specifically, there’s so much focus on how much money owners are willing to spend. For some people, the more rational free-agent market has been something to celebrate. For others, any big player contract represents a victory. My own sense is that the Orioles didn’t need to go this far. I don’t think they needed to give Cobb $57 million. But it’s always about what else that money could mean, right? Last year, the Orioles had an opening-day payroll of about $164 million. This year, they’ll be around $140 – 145 million. Payroll is still going to be down, even with Cobb around. And the only long-term deal on the books, Cobb aside, belongs to Chris Davis. Chances are, the Orioles are soon going to get younger, which means they’re going to get cheaper. Which means Cobb’s money won’t be an obstacle, even if he takes a turn for the worse. So this shouldn’t hurt so bad, even in the worst case. In the best case, Cobb makes at least 2018 more exciting.
Cobb is actually kind of tricky to value. Used to be, he was a quality starter with the Rays, with a marvelous split-change. Then Tommy John surgery cost him all of 2015 and most of 2016, and since Cobb has come back, that split-change hasn’t been good or consistent. Cobb, last year, leaned far more heavily on his curve, and that’s not a swing-and-miss pitch. Not like the split-change was. So, while Cobb is coming off a career-low walk rate, he also saw a strikeout dip, and fewer ground balls. Cobb might be able to rediscover his old signature weapon, as he puts the surgery further behind him. But the most recent version of Cobb was a sinker/curveball pitcher, who pitched to a surprising amount of contact. It’s not hard to see how this could go south, especially since Cobb doesn’t have a clean medical history.
But of course, if the split-change returns, then peak Cobb could return. And while ligament replacement is never a good thing, Cobb should hold up for now. I’d much rather have Cobb than Cashner. I’d much rather have Cobb than Tillman. The market has taken a bite out of average-ish players, but for the Orioles’ rotation, average is a massive boost. Cobb has already improved the Orioles’ projection by multiple wins.
There’s one quick aside here I couldn’t in good conscience leave out. Cobb, again, turned down a qualifying offer. Because of that, the Orioles are sacrificing their third-highest draft pick, which was 51st overall. But while Cobb’s contract is worth $57 million, there’s also reportedly $20 million of that being deferred, which supposedly reduces the net present value to $47 million or so. Now, the Orioles have never been afraid of deferred money, but if I’m reading this right, the Rays get to benefit. Since Cobb signed for more than $50 million, the Rays are getting a compensation pick after the first round, slotted at No. 31. Had the Orioles just signed Cobb for $47 million, though, with no deferrals, then the Rays would’ve received a compensation pick after Competitive Balance Round B, which I believe would’ve been slotted at No. 75. The Rays’ compensation pick, in other words, is moved up 44 places, which would be valued at millions of dollars. The Orioles’ decision to defer so much money has given a division rival a little boost.
I think that’s really interesting. I don’t know if the Orioles thought about it. I don’t know if the Orioles even care. It’s not like that’s likely to make or break the Rays’ franchise. But the Rays have to be pretty happy. As recently as a few days ago, they couldn’t have expected to get a compensation pick so high. That’s good news for an organization that’s always trying to emphasize efficiency and the longer-term as much as possible.
So, the interesting quirk has to do with another team entirely. But it’s also just interesting to see Cobb land where he’s landed, for the guarantee he’s been guaranteed. For his sake, maybe it’s not as glamorous as signing with the Cubs, which had been rumored for so many weeks. Yet the Orioles were willing to pay the price, and they’re going to give this at least one more shot, while Machado is still a regular. I don’t know how much the Orioles can realistically hope to accomplish in 2019 and beyond, but they’ve defied the expectations before. They ever so stubbornly refuse to give up.
Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.
The most surprising thing to me the years. It’s hard to imagine the Orioles couldn’t have signed Cobb on a 3- or even 2-year deal, especially this late. Then they would have been under the $50 million, and lost the lesser pick.
The value of the contract doesn’t affect the pick that the Orioles lose. It only affects the pick that TB gains.
3rd round pick. Pfffft. If the Orioles were not part of the collusion, and Angelos is not they type to take part, they could not know they were bidding against themselves. Also, time was marching and unlike so many teams, the Orioles actually want to Win
There is newfound optimism in B’more hun! P.A. Angelos has apparently turned things over to his son(s), and they are allegedly “loosening up” in regards to Pop’s “Iron Fist” style. Just in the last month, we have a new signing (Cashner) allowed to keep his ginger beard, free tickets to home games for kids who haven’t reached double-digits in years, and now this! I mean, if you were rich kids, and have a baseball team– wouldn’t it be fun to mess with the heads of the richer kids from up North?
Add to that Manny’s infectious jubilance after going back to Short, the expiring contracts of various old boys (not least the Buck & Dan Show), and it looks like they have a few months to show the world they still matter. Even if they ultimately don’t. It’s an even # year ferchrissakes (playoffs in ’12, ’14, ’16). Why the Buck not?!?
Given the terms of the contract, I was imagining that Cobb had Horwits assemble a team from The Beverly Hills Sports Council to perform inception on Angelos. But this explanation is a little simpler and makes sense too.
I think, when comparing Lynn and Cobb, we could narrow it down to “mediocrity” versus “low floor high ceiling, injury recovery.”
I never, never understood why people would rank Lynn above Cobb. They have the exact same situation–that they might be closer back to their old selves a year removed from Tommy John–except Cobb was actually okay last year and Lynn was kind of a mess.
I actually like the deal the Twins swung better, but if neither of them bounce back any further then Cobb is the guy you want.
I think the main reason they would is because Lynn had some velocity backup while his stuff otherwise remained mostly intact, but Cobb basically lost his best pitch and somehow replaced it with (arguably) his worst pitch. That’s not something that typically happens, so I can definitely understand the skepticism. But the data does support Cobb more than Lynn.
Thanks for the reply. I understand a little better now, even if I still disagree.
Except Cobb already had part of 2016 and a normal 2016-17 offseason to help shake out the cobwebs and still didn’t revert back to his pre-injury form in 2017, likely due to losing so much effectiveness on his best pitch.
On the other hand, there’s no reason not to expect Lynn’s peripherals to improve closer to his career levels in his second year back.
Any word if the contract has a no trade clause or trade escalator?
He does get some no-trade protection
The error bars on the Orioles are huge with that rotation. I could honestly see them being a 90 win team, or a 70 win team based on what happens with their pitching. Neither outcome would surprise me much.
It’s hard to imagine an Orioles rotation that isn’t awful these days
The variance of the Baltimore rotation is fairly normal. All rotations have some variance, nothing really huge with the Orioles.
With a 7-8 win standard deviation an 80 projection will end up in the 70-90 like 80-90% of the time. For the error bars to be significantly different than an average team you’d have to be not surprised for like 60 or 100 wins.
Randomness is a cruel mistress 🙂
They seem to do one every other year, with Ubaldo Jimenez getting $50 million over four years in 2014 and Yovani Gallardo getting $35 million over three years in 2016. Interestingly, those two were also signed relatively late (February 17th and 21st respectively). Hopefully this works out a lot better than they did.
Your point generally stands, but it does seem important to note that they reduced Gallardo’s deal to two years after the physical (and seemingly were proved right by the results). Also, all reports have tended to say the O’s were hesitant to commit to 4 or more year deals with free agents after the Ubaldo debacle. The cancelled Gallardo deal, while still relatively long, would not have violated this unofficial team rule, while the Cobb deal does.
They signed Chris Davis to a 7-year deal. Sure, he was a re-sign, but he was also a bona fide free agent.
That unofficial rule was just for pitchers. Long-term deals for position players can be expected to be at least somewhat less risky.
I think the other point to be made that jdbolick missed was that all of these signings seemed to be the O’s bidding against themselves. I can’t think of any other reported suitors for any of those players or at least not in the years & price range the O’s gave.
Does the league re-value free agent contracts for draft pick compensation purposes based on net present value when there is deferred salary?
Update: Ken Rosenthal says yes, but the net present value is about $53 million, so the Rays still get the higher draft pick (https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/978776073969250310)
With the deferred money involved, does Tampa Bay still get a comp pick at the end of the first round? Does this count as exceeding the $50mm threshold?
This is a little pricier than I would have wanted to pay for Cobb, and I have no idea why the Orioles were the one to sign him since they’re really on the wrong place of the win curve, but I think Cobb has a decent chance to bounce back. He actually had a really nice 2nd half. The question I have is whether he can sustain that if he doesn’t get the split-change back, but if he can you’re looking at a #2/#3 starter for not that much money.
This is the kind of deal that wouldn’t have raised an eyebrow last year. Want to bet that there are plenty of MLB owners and maybe Manfred quietly blowing kisses to the O’s?
His patience better have worked because after pitching for the orioles for 5 years it will be the last contract he will ever get.
He won’t necessarily pitch for them for five years. They were able to move Gallardo after only one year. That could happen again.
That is why I was wondering about trade clauses.
Making a last run before Machado hits free agency is something they value but if he doesn’t resign and they can’t reload, a fire sale might be forthcoming.
A key point in the article is that the Orioles are not so much competing with the Yankees or Red Sox for the postseason as they are with teams like the Twins and Angels. And while Baltimore is not likely better than Boston or New York over 162 games, a 7-game series against anyone is a more open situation.
even a blind cobb finds an oreo once in a while