An Encyclopedia of Pitcher-on-Pitcher Crime

Should baseball return in 2020, it will likely do so with a DH in both leagues. That makes sense — given shorter training times and an increased prevalence of interleague play, getting pitchers ready to bat wouldn’t be easy. Losing sacrifice bunts is no great sacrifice, either; no one is tuning into the game to watch Johnny Cueto try to get a bunt down against Zac Gallen.

But there’s one thing I’ll greatly miss about pitchers hitting: the moments where the opposing pitcher decides to play a little unfair. Pitchers are terrible hitters — terrible! The standard way to pitch to them is generally by throwing them fastballs until they take a seat in the dugout. But sometimes, that’s not how it goes. Sometimes the pitcher on the mound is a little cruel. Sometimes, they throw a pitch that moves.

The results of throwing a tough-to-hit pitch to a bad hitter should be pretty obvious — they don’t hit it. That’s not to say there are no downsides; breaking balls and offspeed pitches miss the zone more often than fastballs, and batters are less likely to put them in play, which means longer at-bats. No one wants long at-bats against the opposing pitcher. Leashes are short enough these days without a six-pitch battle against a guy who might as well be up there holding a ham sandwich instead of a bat.

Still, it happens more often than you’d think. Pitchers saw 18,502 pitches last year as batters. Exactly 6,200 were some variety of funky; curves, sliders, cutters, splitters, change-ups, and even eephuses. That’s a low proportion, even taking into account that Statcast couldn’t classify every pitch; only 33.5%, as compared to 47.3% for hitters as a whole. But it’s noticeably higher than zero.

That’s a little strange; but honestly, it’s not that strange. I know I just finished making fun of pitchers’ batting ability, but they’re still professional athletes. They’re big and strong, and they move their body in a coordinated way for a living. Throw them the same pitch a few times in a row, and they might run into solid contact more or less by reflex.

You want the numbers? Let’s have the numbers. When pitchers at the plate ended a plate appearance with a fastball, they compiled a .174 wOBA. That’s bad, of course. Position players check in at .376, and wOBA is on the OBP scale — yikes. When the plate appearance ended on any other type of pitch, however, they were downright awful, to the tune of a .092 wOBA. I don’t have a comparison for what batter that looks like, because no batter has ever been that bad. Jeff Mathis had a wRC+ of 2 last year — 2!! — and that worked out to a .190 wOBA.

That’s the math of the situation — pitchers are bad hitters unless you throw them secondary pitches, in which case they become unfathomably bad hitters. There are a few wrinkles — nearly 30% of secondary offerings get taken for balls, while only 26% of fastballs meet the same fate. But that’s hardly interesting; you don’t really need to see aggregate statistics about pitchers batting, because the upshot is that they’re awful in every split. Instead, let’s find some weird stuff.

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For instance, pitchers faced six eephuses last year. That’s Gameday’s catch-all super-slow pitch designation; whether it’s a breaking ball or just a fastball with no oomph, it will often register as an eephus. So, how many of these eephuses were thrown by position players just hucking it over the plate to finish an outing? Well… none. All six were Zack Greinke specials.

Just, c’mon:

And he did it five other times! Mike Minor is a terrible hitter. Greinke is an excellent pitcher. He absolutely doesn’t need to do this, which makes it all the more enjoyable. Minor was completely befuddled:

Should you even throw a pitcher an eephus? They’re slow! They’re hittable! They work because batters are gearing up for much higher velocity. But pitchers are hardly doing that, they’re just trying to survive out there. Like, what the heck is this?

It’s 0-2, and he’s trying to bunt; just throw him anything that isn’t, you know, an extremely slow pitch in the strike zone. But Greinke gonna Greinke, I suppose.

Who’s the king of throwing secondary pitches to opposing pitchers? Yu Darvish, naturally. When you have eight or nine pitches like Darvish does, of course you’ll throw some goofy nonsense in there. He threw a whopping 136 of them in 2019. Unfortunately, that’s misleading, because 99 of them were cutters.

Cutters are an interesting corner case; you can argue they’re fastballs — they’re called cut fastballs, after all — but they behave more like sliders at the end of the day. This strikeout of Jake Arrieta does a good job making the case:

So I don’t know; should those count? I think that both sides of the argument have merit. If you exclude cutters, however, we have a new champion: Aaron Nola, with 100 mean-spirited pitches. Ninety of the 100 were curveballs, and pitchers could do almost nothing with them. He threw 42 curveballs on two strike counts and got 18 strikeouts. Putting the ball in play didn’t help much either; on non-sacrifice bunts, pitchers ran up a 1-for-8 line against Nola’s curveball, with this Zack Wheeler effort the lone hit:

First pitch curveball — you have to love it. Nola liked it so much, in fact, that he went to a curve or changeup on 47.2% of his pitches to opposing pitchers. That’s almost as high as his overall rate in 2019 (53.7%). And of course, it worked, what with the 18 strikeouts on the curveball alone and all, so why not keep doing it?

But not everyone was as good as Nola was at burying pitchers in junk. Believe it or not, pitchers hit seven home runs — as batters — against offspeed pitches. It wasn’t exclusively bad pitchers allowing the home runs, either: Miles Mikolas and Hyun-Jin Ryu 류현진 were both victimized. Mikolas went to his slider for a knockout punch on 2-2 against Jhoulys Chacín, and while it wasn’t a terrible pitch, that doesn’t change the fact that he threw his slider to a pitcher and had to watch a home run trot:

That was only the second home run of Chacín’s career, and his -3 wRC+ hardly inspires terror in opponents. But sometimes those are the breaks. A pitcher doesn’t have to be a good hitter — even for a pitcher — to run into a home run. Pitchers hit 17 homers off of fastballs last year, so even after adjusting for frequency, throwing a fastball was more likely to surrender a dinger than not doing so.

Unsurprisingly, though, I buried the lede here. This whole article was just a setup to talk about Zack Greinke. You see, two of those eephuses he threw came in a single at-bat against Eric Lauer on April 2 last year. Lauer was up in a big spot — two on, nobody out — and Greinke made him look foolish. First, he hung one in for a generous called strike:

Then, after another eephus (this one taken for a ball) and a fastball, he put Lauer away with a slider:

A few innings later, Greinke came to the plate in a similarly high-leverage spot; first and second with one out. Lauer got the message from his own treatment a few innings earlier; don’t take the pitcher lightly, and be willing to throw him some secondaries. So he went to his cutter, and:

Well, yeah, you can’t miss location like that, but still: that wasn’t the easiest pitch in the world to hit out. The camera angle makes it hard to tell, but it had more than two inches of horizontal break; it was more slider than cutter. Sometimes you just get Greinke’d.

The Padres’ run of bad luck wasn’t done, either. With the game starting to spiral out of control, Adam Warren checked in. Greinke was still pitching — he’d only thrown 83 pitches to this point — and with a three run lead, he got to hit for himself. Warren was understandably wary, having seen the earlier homer, and pitched to him carefully; a slider for a called strike, a fastball taken for a ball, and another slider, this one a swinging strike, to get to 1-2. He went back to the slider again on 1-2, and:

To recap, in this game, Greinke threw three secondary pitches to Lauer, out of the four pitches he threw him total. Lauer responded with a secondary of his own — and Greinke smacked a cutter for a home run. When Warren came in, he treated Greinke like a real hitter — three sliders and a high fastball — and Greinke also hit a homer off of him. In one game, Greinke showed everything — the craft to go goofy when facing Lauer, and the hitting skill to beat opponents who tried to do the same to him.

It was glorious — the kind of game you don’t see every year, much less every day. Greinke made Lauer look foolish — the way most pitchers look when they’re batting and see a pitch that wiggles. Then he showed Lauer what a batter should do with a breaking ball — twice, in case he missed the first one. Here I thought this article was about pitchers in general, and it was really just about Zack Greinke’s unique gifts all along.





Ben is a writer at FanGraphs. He can be found on Bluesky @benclemens.

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jetzzfanMember since 2018
6 years ago

I’m going to miss pitcher dingers.

The Stranger
6 years ago

I remain in favor of pitchers hitting, if only because it provides excellent fodder for articles like this. How is this not more fun than having those at-bats taken by yet another TTO-type slugger?

CC AFCMember since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  The Stranger

Because like 90% of the time they end in totally non-competitive at bats? I’d rather see competitive ABs than random once-in-a-blue-moon hits

Lanidrac
6 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

And I’d rather see important late-game strategy decisions in addition to those blue moon hits. The point of having pitchers hitting ironically has little to do with the pitchers actually hitting.

Besides, some pitchers actually enjoy hitting and even do a decent job at it.

Jetsy Extrano
6 years ago
Reply to  The Stranger

I’m totally in favor of pitchers batting in The Other League. I don’t have to watch routine flailing, just enjoy Ben’s curated GIFs.

bly
6 years ago
Reply to  Jetsy Extrano

Nine guys is all you need for a game. There’s an elegance to NL play.

brentdaily
6 years ago

I grew up as an NL fan with uncles who were more baseball conservative than Bob Costas and George Will. But I’ve reluctantly come around.

The best part of pitchers hitting are these types of articles (and Bartolo) and they don’t come around often enough to justify putting the NL at a disadvantage against the AL.

Lanidrac
6 years ago
Reply to  brentdaily

The AL is at just as much of a disadvantage when they have to take one of their hitters (often one of their best sluggers, unless they’re willing to downgrade their defense by playing him in the field in favor of dropping someone else) out of the lineup.

Barney Coolio
6 years ago

I remember watching my Padres play in San Francisco in 2014. Lincecum had a no hitter going. In the bottom of the 8th, the Padres walked him. I really think that was an unintentional, intentional walk. The Padres knew Lincecum just wanted to strike out and sit down, not stand on first base.

Lincecum took his walk, and then polished off the Padres in the 9th. He no-hit them the previous year as well.

Mike NMN
6 years ago

I need something like this.. Well thrown, Ben, and I’m visualizing myself 40 years younger, “slashing” a gapper, legging out a triple and finishing with a popup slide….

LHPSU
6 years ago

Worth noting that Matt Strahm did hit .286/.348/.381 – though his K rate was through the roof and his BABIP even higher.

I imagine Strahm was pretty happy to be thrown that slow pitch though – likely made it easier to bunt fair and deaden the ball. Ended up being a pretty perfect sac bunt.

Ryan DCMember since 2016
6 years ago

I’d love an update on my favorite pitcher-on-pitcher crime post of all time, Jeff Sullivan talking about Gio Gonzalez setting a record for most pitcher Ks in 2012.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/gio-gonzalez-pitcher-abuse-and-a-modern-day-record/

I assume this record has been broken since then what with rising strikeout rates, but I’m too dumb to look it up on B-Ref myself.

Ryan DCMember since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  Ben Clemens

What an incredibly specific skill set! (Especially given that Gio’s overall K rate is pretty pedestrian.) Maybe you can turn this into a post about which pitchers are gonna be in the most trouble if MLB institutes a universal DH. Or maybe some pitchers have been victimized disproportionately by other pitchers and would be fine. Anyways, thanks for the response.

JJ17Chi
6 years ago
Reply to  Ben Clemens

This is awesome, Ben.

DougMember since 2019
6 years ago

I was sure this article was going to be about Greinke HITTING from the title.

Barney Coolio
6 years ago
Reply to  Doug

Well, it wasn’t NOT about Greinke hitting.

Jetsy Extrano
6 years ago

I got to the line where it mentioned eephuses and said to nobody, stop the article and show me the eephuses! And then

Baseball4ever
6 years ago

so just a bit off topic, but since there is NO MLB right now of course I am watching the 7th game of the world series last year. Does anyone think it was completely egregious to pull Greinke after 75 pitches just because of a solo homer? do you think they should have let him keep going?

Ryan DCMember since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  Baseball4ever

As a Nats fan I was extremely relieved when they pulled him (after Soto’s walk, not Rendon’s homer). That was the first time all game when I thought we had a chance, given how dominant he had been and how shaky Scherzer was. I was even more extremely relieved about 10 seconds later when Kendrick’s fly ball hit the foul pole 🙂

Da Bear
6 years ago
Reply to  Ben Clemens

There’s “a good reliever”, and then there’s “you have Gerrit Cole in your bullpen”. Assuming you’re not hamstrung by orders from Boras that Cole should only be used if it results in the iconic imagery of him standing on the mound to close out the game and the series.

Ryan DCMember since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  Da Bear

They were never going to insert Cole in the middle of an inning, it was discussed and decided on before the game. I guess you could argue Hinch could have done it anyways but in one of the post-game interviews he didn’t want to risk putting Cole in an uncomfortable game situation a day before going into free agency, so at least in his own mind he was protecting his pitcher (or at least that was part of his post facto rationale).

Barney Coolio
6 years ago

I am a Padres fan. I am anti-DH. It seems that most baseball fans align their views based on the league of their favorite team. Fans of NL teams are anti-DH, and fans of AL teams are pro-DH.

Are there any people here whose opinion of the DH is contrary to the league of their favorite team?

Ryan DCMember since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney Coolio

I’m a casually pro-DH Nats fan but I wouldn’t mind if both leagues had no DH because then there would be more incentive for pitchers to get better at hitting, it’s having different rules that bothers me.

Barney Coolio
6 years ago
Reply to  Ryan DC

Interesting. Unless you are very young, is it safe to assume that you did not grow up as a baseball fan? The Nationals only began play in DC in 2005.

I am a 36 year old Padres fan. The Padres aren’t that old, but the franchise does predate the DH. I think I am pretty stuck in my ways as anti-DH. It would be interesting to hear from a born and raised Red Sox fan who is anti-DH. American League team with one of the best historical usage of the DH.

Ryan DCMember since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney Coolio

I was a casual baseball fan growing up (aka we drove to Baltimore for O’s games once or twice a summer and I played a lot of Backyard Baseball 2003) but besides attending the occasional home game I didn’t follow the Nats closely until that 2012 playoff run which coincided with my first summer out of college.

The Great Cust
6 years ago

Look how Greinke sprints off the mound right after the pitch; maybe he’s using the eephus as a way to buy more time so he can field the bunt. In two of the Greinke gifs, there’s a man on first and less than two outs. Could it be that he actually PREFERS the bunt make contact for the chance at the double play? And if so, would it ever be in the batting pitcher’s best interest, in this situation, to simply strike out?

It makes me wonder if there might be a correlation between pitch velocity and bunt success…

Da Bear
6 years ago
Reply to  The Great Cust

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-year-in-the-eephus/

It was certainly a ploy to get a head start on charging the plate.

mgwalker
6 years ago

I wonder how much time is usually required, or spent, for ‘getting pitchers ready to bat’. This seems more like an excuse to capitulate, and I fear it will be hard to reverse.

I’m tired of the straw man that identifies sacrifice bunts (or double switches or the rare pitcher HR) as all we stand to lose under the DH. It’s the very structure of the NL game which is at stake. I cannot support a rule change that transfers value from Jose Oquendo to Dave Kingman.

Baseball4ever
6 years ago

my other thought when reading this article is as follows:
I have always thought that because the NL pitchers get to face other pitchers, its something like .50 to .75, sometimes as high as a full run, that needs to be added to an NL pitchers ERA when moving from the NL to the AL if traded. Just wondering if my guess is somewhere in the ballpark, in terms of ERA, FIP or whatever other measure you want to use. has anyone done any work on this? Obviously the pitcher usually bats in the 9th spot, sometimes the 8th in the NL, so its not like you would be replacing him with a 1-4 batter.

mgwalker
6 years ago
Reply to  Baseball4ever

It’s getting pretty rare that a team sends a pitcher up to bat more than twice in a game.

Da Bear
6 years ago
Reply to  mgwalker

There’s a saying, “If your pitcher goes 0-for-4, you’ve probably had a good day.” This past decade, teams that had a pitcher go 0-for-4 or worse were a combined 209-5, with the most recent loss being Rich Hill having his no-hitter spoiled on the first batter of the 10th.

carterMember since 2020
6 years ago

Greinke career wRC+ is 60. That doesn’t inspire a lot of confidence, but one has to wonder if he is a pitcher who actually could of been a major league hitter. My guess would be yes. Without a hitters background (obviously he was a good hitter when he was younger) he worked himself into one of the best hitting pitchers.

When you take someone like Tim Hudson who posted a career 6 wRC+ and was one of the best hitters in the entire country in college as an outfielder it shows just how absurd what Greinke did at the plate is. It really is hard to think of who actually could do it, but I’d venture there is more people than you think. Ankiel did it, Greinke probably could. Lorenzon is doing it currently. Some other guys like Mike Leake, Mike Hampton, maybe Brault of the Pirates since his hand eye coordination seems absurd.

If they are going to get rid of the DH, I propose allowing you to DH for someone other than the pitcher, which would allow at the very minimum to have some interesting 2 way switches for teams who you can tell have been planning it. The Angels with Ohtani, Walsh, Cowart, Way were likely planning something and with taxi squads you could certainly see some interesting switches if the rules allowed it late in games. With the exception of Ohtani (and maybe Walsh), basically all those guys would be below average MLB hitters, and below average MLB pitchers, which, if they can do them both and only take up one roster spot could be quite valuable, at least imo.

Lanidrac
6 years ago
Reply to  carter

If a good-hitting pitcher reinvents himself as a position player who can focus a lot more on his hitting, his results will likely improve significantly. See, for example, Rick Ankiel. Guys like Greinke, Bumgarner, and Leake could probably become decent Major League hitters if they were to convert (although they have no reason to do so). Wainwright, too, if it weren’t for his age.

carterMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

Well yea, that is what I was getting at.

Lanidrac
6 years ago

You do know that there are still some decent hitting pitchers out there, right? It makes perfect sense to go all out against guys like Wainwright, Grienke, Bumgarner, Leake, etc. Sure, it doesn’t explain much of all the breaking pitches thrown to opposing pitchers, but it’s still an important factor to consider.