Bound for Sacramento, Will the A’s Find an Appropriate Ballpark There?

Robert Edwards-USA TODAY Sports

We’ve known for almost a year that the Oakland Athletics are moving to Las Vegas. Eventually. Someday. And every excruciating step of that process has dominated the news.

Team and city waged a years-long cold war over the construction of a new Bay Area stadium, plans for which finally fell through last year. That tipped off 12 months of open conflict with fans and government in both Oakland and Nevada, stemming from the inconvenient reality that even if the club could finance a stadium in Sin City, it would not be ready before the team’s lease at the Coliseum expired at the end of the 2024 season.

After mooting various solutions, including a stopover in Salt Lake City or the world’s most awkward stadium lease extension, John Fisher’s club is headed for Sutter Health Park in Sacramento, currently home of the San Francisco Giants’ Triple-A affiliate, the Sacramento River Cats.

The team revealed the news on Twitter, with replies disabled.

Fisher appeared in Sacramento on Thursday with Vivek Ranadivé, who owns both the River Cats and the NBA’s Kings, to announce the new partnership. Fisher said he looked forward to seeing stars like Aaron Judge hit home runs there, apparently not thinking about how he’d technically admitted that he was rooting for his team to get scored on. Fisher did not take questions from the press in attendance.

It’s an ignominious end to a 57-year relationship between team and city, one that featured 21 playoff appearances, seven pennants, and four World Series titles. Since moving to Oakland in 1968, the Athletics have revolutionized the sport — competitively, aesthetically, or both — not once but three times. Even after a quarter century of underinvestment and neglect, the A’s are sixth in MLB in both wins and winning percentage since their move to Oakland.

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Any contemplation of this move must begin with mourning the loss of this unique pillar of the baseball community, the team that put Reggie Jackson, Mark McGwire, and Jason Giambi in its distinctive green and gold colors. Rollie Fingers’ mustache, the Bash Brothers, Moneyball, Section 149… all of that is now as culturally distant as Lefty Grove and Eddie Collins. They’ll start over in Sacramento, and then again in a couple years, if and when the new ballpark opens in Vegas.

But really, you can take all of that as read. If the team and the culture are dying, it’s been a long and arduous illness. The public hatred for owner John Fisher, whose embarrassing malignity defined the club’s final years in Oakland, is ferocious, but at this point it’s a chronic condition. If he ever heard the jeering, he can now plug his ears with revenue sharing checks for the foreseeable future, as he creeps across the western U.S. like Dutch elm disease across the trunk of a tree.

It’s a tragedy, but it’s done. It’s been done for a while now. The only new information we got on Thursday was where the team will set up camp while waiting for a new permanent home.

Fisher’s Xanadu, a publicly subsidized development in the heart of Las Vegas, is far from a fait accompli. So the stopover in Sacramento could be for three seasons — through 2027, meaning the A’s have already blown their initial timeline for moving to Las Vegas — or for four. But let’s take this announcement at face value, even though I’ll believe in this Las Vegas move only when there are green shovels in the ground by the Strip.

The Athletics’ new home, Sutter Health Park, holds some 10,000 fans in normal configuration, with the ability to expand to 14,000 with lawn seating. There’s an enticing 325-foot short porch in right field; Kyle Schwarber’s contract is up after next season, and if he feels like taking a huge pay cut in order to make a run at the single-season home run record, that’s on the table now.

But overall, this is a pretty unremarkable Triple-A stadium in a city that ordinarily wouldn’t get a sniff at a major league team. As much as MLB has been making noises about expansion over the past couple years, Sacramento has ranked somewhere below Virginia Beach but above Khartoum on the list of most attractive candidate cities.

So what should we make of the A’s playing in a minor league ballpark, in a minor league city, and not even having a place signifier in their team name during their stay in Sacramento? Because, oh yeah, they’re just going to be “The Athletics” for the next three or four seasons.

This is probably going to be an unpopular opinion, but I don’t hate this idea in the abstract. I’ve long staked out two hills to die on: First, that Major League Baseball ought to be played not only in New York and Los Angeles and whatever Sun Belt boomtown is ripe for real estate investment at the moment, but in cities of varying shapes and sizes, from sea to shining sea.

The second point is related: There’s too little imagination, creativity, and diversity in stadium architecture these days. No matter what Fisher and the other owners tell you, it is possible to play baseball in a venue other than an overdesigned Camden Yards knockoff surrounded by five-over-ones.

Even as the world’s biggest fan of Tropicana Field, I’ll concede that 14,000 seats is probably too few for a full-time major league venue. Nevertheless, it’s not like the A’s were going to draw many more fans to see a 100-loss team with a $60 million payroll in Oakland. Especially if buying a ticket meant putting money in the pockets of an owner who was flipping the city double-barreled middle fingers on his way out of town. At least there’s novelty value in Sacramento. And you know what? I think enough time has passed since the first-generation MLS franchise branding exercise for us to play around with new naming conventions for sports teams. I’m happy to reserve judgment for the time being.

But all that is in the abstract. Because — as with so many of Fisher’s plans of late — the more details you ask for, the more rickety this plan looks.

For starters, there’s the fate of the stadium’s existing tenants, the River Cats. There’s no concrete plan in place yet, but John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle reported a number of options. The A’s and River Cats share the ballpark full-time through some scheduling legerdemain, or the minor league club could undertake a grand tour of California venues, including the Coliseum and Oracle Park in San Francisco.

It’d be an unnecessary disruption, but a minor league ballplayer’s life is already only somewhat more stable than that of a traveling circus performer in the 1930s. The real issue is the ballpark.

Most of the public discourse about Sutter Health Park is going to be about the stadium capacity. That is, after all, what the public sees: A venue less than half the size of what they’ve come to expect from a major league facility. But the external is not what makes a ballpark MLB-quality. As long as there are four bases, a mound, and a fence, you’re good to go.

What separates bush league from big league is all tucked away in the basement. That’s where you’ll find broadcasting infrastructure, facilities for catering, and the clubhouses.

Shea’s story quotes some current A’s players who were skeptical about those facilities. The clubhouses are situated behind the outfield wall, rather than adjacent to the dugouts, as is the norm for major league facilities. Not having tunnel access from the dugout would disrupt players’ in-game routines. The clubhouses and training rooms, according to Brent Rooker, are small and cramped, and the weight room would need to be expanded in order to meet major league standards.

Former Twins and Mets reliever Trevor Hildenberger’s professional career ended with a stint in Sacramento. He says players are in for a rude awakening.

This is not an unforeseeable complication. The NHL’s Arizona Coyotes are in the same situation as the A’s right now. (For those of you who don’t follow hockey and want some context, comparing the A’s to the Coyotes is the meanest thing I’ve ever said about Fisher, his team, or its shambolic relocation.) Having been booted out of their arena in Glendale, the Coyotes are cooling their heels at Mullett Arena in Tempe.

Mullett Arena is ordinarily home to the Arizona State hockey team and seats 5,000 fans: normal for a college barn but about a quarter of the capacity of your garden variety NHL arena. The “intimate” atmosphere, a line Fisher parroted on Thursday, has generated some positive reviews. But living in condominium with a college team comes with the exact same teething issues Rooker and Hildenberger are worried about.

The NHL training facilities and dressing rooms aren’t actually in the original arena, but within an annex. The new dressing rooms weren’t finished when the 2022-23 NHL regular season started; visiting teams used temporary locker rooms set up on top of a practice rink at the start of last season. Given the Athletics have already demonstrated an inability to maintain a construction schedule, it’s reasonable to fear that even if the Sutter Health Park facilities do get a facelift, it won’t be ready for Opening Day 2025.

I asked an MLBPA spokesperson what assurances, if any, the union had received about the quality of facilities at the Athletics’ new home park. I also inquired about the fate of the Triple-A players this new arrangement might displace.

The spokesperson’s response: “MLBPA has had preliminary discussions with MLB about a range of issues related to the temporary relocation and we expect those discussions to continue.”

So stay tuned.

For what it’s worth, the CBA is pretty sparse on what amenities are required of a major league clubhouse. Article XIII, which governs health and safety, contains a list of mandatory treatment equipment, including a whirlpool, ultrasound machine, examining table, and a “hydroculator,” which is a word I’d never seen before.

Attachment 47 codifies general clubhouse standards, including a cleaning schedule, and a provision mandating that towels and washcloths must be replaced every season. (Good for them; I’m pretty sure I have bath towels that are older than Jackson Chourio.) The clubhouse must be stocked with soap, toiletries, and so forth, and players must have access to a safe or lockbox for their personal effects.

Every clubhouse must have a recovery room that’s off-limits to the press, as well as a full-time chef who provides at least three meals per game: breakfast or lunch, depending on start time, as well as pre- and post-game meals. For 4:05 p.m. games, players can arrange in advance for an additional meal, which to my (and Taco Bell’s) immense disappointment, was not referred to as “Fourthmeal” in the document.

In my experience, there’s a wide variation in standards for MLB clubhouse amenities; some visiting locker rooms are about as spartan as an all-boys’ freshman dormitory common room. And while food and toilet paper are codified in the CBA — as they should be, as the building blocks of civil society — there’s some gray area.

Which necessitates the first paragraph of Attachment 47, which requires each team to select a Player Advisory Council (PAC), to “identify acceptable clubhouse standards with respect to meals, nutrition, services, and amenities that should be provided in home and visiting clubhouses.” If the PAC is not satisfied with the clubhouse facilities, this section defines the procedures for remedying the situation: taking the issue up with the clubhouse manager, followed by consultation between the league and the union, and if necessary, a grievance.

I expect the Athletics’ players to avail themselves of this procedure next season. I’ve seen a few people on social media suggest that the union should attempt to block this relocation on the grounds that the facilities are insufficient; there’s no mechanism I’m aware of that would allow the players to do so. But if the A’s are unable to provide facilities that allow their players to train and perform at the level expected by professional athletes in 2025, said players absolutely should raise a ruckus until the problem is solved.

Ultimately, this whole situation is Fisher’s stewardship of the Athletics in microcosm. The A’s have made bold pronouncements that promise something unique and interesting, without first taking care of the mundane details that would make that product possible. Logistics aren’t some triviality; they’re the whole proverbial ballgame.

There’s nothing preventing the A’s from buckling down and revamping Sutter Health Park so that it’s fit for purpose. It’s possible that in 11 months, we’ll look back on this column, and others like it, and laugh at how alarmist and cynical we all were.

But what, in the past 10 years of this franchise’s history, makes you think that’s going to happen? What have Fisher and his men done to earn the benefit of the doubt?





Michael is a writer at FanGraphs. Previously, he was a staff writer at The Ringer and D1Baseball, and his work has appeared at Grantland, Baseball Prospectus, The Atlantic, ESPN.com, and various ill-remembered Phillies blogs. Follow him on Twitter, if you must, @MichaelBaumann.

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago

I have seen it reported so many times that the MLBPA has to sign off on the facilities being sufficient, so it’s a surprise to me this article says there’s no official way to block it. It seems like the stadium doesn’t have what it needs right now.

Pretty much everything about this move is up in the air. The AAA stadium might not have the right facilities, they’ll lose a good chunk of their broadcast money when they move to Sacramento (not sure how much) before needing an entirely new one in Las Vegas. If construction started tomorrow in Las Vegas, they might be ready to move in for the 2029 season, but they don’t even have the financing set up yet and the blueprint doesn’t seem totally set in stone yet. Even if they make it to Sacramento for 3 years there will probably still be a gap to address.

This whole thing is so poorly thought out, it would not be a surprise to me if the A’s never make it to Sacramento or Las Vegas.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

John Joseph Fisher is competing with Arnold Johnson and Senile Connie for the worst owner in franchise history. Arnold had the excuse that he wasn’t at all trying. Connie was an all time great in his younger days. Fisher is just unimaginably incompetent. He’s done so many dumb things that we can be excused if we forget that he spent $100 million in a feasibility study for Howard Terminal before this series of fiascos.

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PhilMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Man, the A’s franchise is cursed if you can make a coherent argument that Fisher is only their third worst owner.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  Phil

A’s fandom was wonderful while it lasted. I had 37 good years.

Lanidrac
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Sorry, ignore this. You were only talking about the worst owners in *franchise* history.

Although, why stop there?

Last edited 2 years ago by Lanidrac
GopherballsMember since 2017
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

There is the grievance procedure if the prerequisite steps are not satisfied, but the end result may simply be that the players will not play at the stadium until the required improvements are done. Seattle faced this years ago in 1994 when the Kingdome was closed for safety reasons after ceiling tiles fell. Seattle wanted to play at its minor league AAA affiliate’s ballpark in Tacoma, but the MLBPA objected citing the lack of sufficient facilities. The Mariners then played the remainder of the season on the road. That is probably the extreme outcome here, but still a possibility.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  Gopherballs

Does that mean that Vegas wasn’t willing to implement these remedies? Or that the Vegas park was so bad that it was irredeemable? Or that Ranadivé is going to contribute to the improvements to benefit the River Cats?

keithk
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

The Vegas ballpark is only 5 years old, much younger than Sacramento (24). Given that it’s facilities are probably at least as good as Sac. But a minor league park is a minor league park. I suspect Fisher’s reason for this choice is that he thinks he can retain a significant fraction of his current TV deal since he’ll be Bay Area adjacent. He’ll need to figure out a new TV deal in Vegas anyway but maybe the thought is that this year is a bad time to try to negotiate that, what with the Diamond Sports fiasco.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Gopherballs

I believe the gate is split between the home and road teams, right? If so, I think you could make an argument that playing an entire season on the road would make the A’s a lot more money than the alternatives. But it would also be miserable.

Doug LampertMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The 1899 Cleveland Spiders played 112 games on the road (42 at home), and won 20 games. Could the A’s challenge these records?

Sleepy
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

There’s a 0.0% chance the MLBPA signs off on 162 road games.

Six full months away from their families? Non-starter, that.

villapalomaresMember since 2025
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

MLB and Manfred are complicit in this mess. The owners unanimously voted to approve the move knowing there were huge holes in the plan and they waived the $300M relocation fee. I don’t know if this sets a new precedent, but it’s bound to surface again with the next team that attempts to move.

docgooden85Member since 2018
2 years ago
Reply to  villapalomares

Even people who aren’t pre-screened as rapacious, predatory billionaires are bad at governing themselves in general. It’s unfair to expect more of this loathsome cohort.

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Roger McDowell Hot Foot
2 years ago
Reply to  docgooden85

This was supposed to be the exact point of having a commissioner!

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  villapalomares

I think the idea was that the team had extracted enough public money from Nevada that they thought it was good. And they were just hoping they could turn the page and be done with it. I don’t think they realized that they wouldn’t be done with it, ever.

Envy AngelMember since 2017
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

According to the local paper in Las Vegas, the A’s brain trust didn’t move to the Las Vegas ballpark next year because they wanted to make a bigger splash in the local market by rolling out the new team and the new stadium together. We’ll see about that! Fisher has already passed on a better and bigger site near the strip in favor of the smaller, nine-acre site they’ll be building on now—once they tear down the Tropicana Hotel. They just closed the Tropicana this week in preparation for the demolition that will happen some time in the fall. Worst case scenario for Vegas is that the whole plan blows up after they demolish the hotel.

In my cynical way, I’m actually looking forward to the A’s moving to Vegas because that might mean that southern Nevada then is designated as the A’s home market and I can finally watch my favorite team, the Angels, on MLB’s streaming service. But watch them screw that one up as well!

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago

That said, I’m pretty sure the A’s in Sacramento would outdraw the A’s in Oakland, so the stadium size seems like the least problematic part of this whole nonsense.

NicklePickersMember since 2016
2 years ago

One detail that stood out in another article is that Oakland offered use of the Coliseum for around $60 million, which seems like less than the team will have to spend to retrofit Sacramento and relocate. On top of the TV money lost by leaving Oakland. Much as I like the idea of expanding which cities get to host baseball, it makes the motive of spite feel stronger.

fjtorres
2 years ago
Reply to  NicklePickers

That deal hinged on Oakland being guaranteed an expansion team.
End of negotiation, Sacramento gets the “honor”.

Mr. RedlegsMember since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

No it didn’t. Oakland dropped that, only asking for consideration

keithk
2 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Redlegs

The city of Oakland pretty clearly entered the negotiations with a chip on their shoulder and asked for a bunch of things that were never going to happen. That relationship was poisoned and was probably never going to result in an agreement. To be clear, most of the blame for the poisoning is on Fisher but the city doesn’t exactly come out of this smelling like a rose.

fjtorres
2 years ago
Reply to  keithk

Correct.
The A’s ownership sense of entitlement is pretty bad but par for the course but the city politicians are not much better, stringing the team along for over a decade and eventually shooting down every proposal other than staying in the dump.

If they had said they were never going to bribe the team to stay the team would’ve known what they faced. And early on, they might’ve been able to (grudgingly) self-finance via loans, like SF.

But that was ten years+ ago, when interest rates were near zero, not today. Today the loan payments would leave the team worse off than even Cleveland and Tampa Bay. No profits. And whatever the owners are, they are not a charity. They like money too much to stick in a declining city in the shadow of the Giants.

As I said, they are going to be held up as an example for other cities that won’t play the bribery game. Only now, instead of Vegas, the threat will be Nashville.

PhilMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

I’m not sure “give us money for a new ballpark or we’ll do what the Oakland A’s did” is a particularly effective threat.

(Maybe we’re all wrong and the Las Vegas A’s are a tremendous success. I can’t see it, but it could happen)

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

I wouldn’t call Oakland a “declining city”. It’s been pretty flat economically for about 60 years although the industry mix has changed.

The city politicians, probably rightly, prioritize industries that provide jobs to Oakland residents. But as politicians they almost never say that to anyone directly. They speak through inaction, and “tough negotiation”. The city council changes its composition frequently so that there isn’t a consistent message. The Raiders were always beloved by the public, but they left when they were given mixed signals…twice.

It’s weird to me how the A’s aren’t even close to the Giants in popularity when that was not the case when I became a fan in 1985. They outdrew the Giants, in large part because Candlestick was so cold. Both teams were terrible then but the A’s did have at least mediocre crowds. The Giants would have likely moved to Florida in the early 1990s if Haas hadn’t idiotically given them San Jose territorial rights. Even so the franchise values per Forbes were similar in the mid 1990s. It all changed with the Giants’ decision to behave in a way that attracts fans and grows revenues, and the A’s decision to Moneyball. The rest is history.

synco
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

What really changed is Pac Bell (now Oracle) Park. Candlestick was cold, but its far greater problem is how remote it was. Getting there was awful. You could only drive, it took forever to get there from anywhere other than South San Francisco, and parking was a disaster. Whereas the Oakland Coliseum is right on a BART line and has a huge parking lot right off the freeway.

Once the Giants moved into a state of the art stadium in downtown SF that was very close to a BART line, right off a Muni line, and very close to the freeway that connects to Silicon Valley, it was over. The wealthier team in a far wealthier and sexier city in the best ballpark in the world that was just as accessible to fans no matter where they are in the Bay as yours is.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  synco

Yes although the San Jose A’s could have been at least on an equal footing.

Lanidrac
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Well, Moneyball might have helped the A’s more if it had actually led to a Championship within a few years, and the ideas were so groundbreaking that it very well could have had some events played out differently.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

The trouble with Moneyball is that it glorified stinginess and deliberate poverty. There was never any attempt to attract fans. Large revenues were dirty. A’s won a World Series in 1989 with the highest payroll in MLB. The small market Yankees were forced to trade them Rickey Henderson for 10 ¢ on the dollar. It’s a good lesson for all the youngsters out there

david k
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

There was a lot more to the Rickey Henderson situation than that. If you look at his NYY stats, you will see that other than one year, his OPS was hovering around .800, and was much lower than that the year he was traded, and this was in his prime age 26-30 years. Then look at his OPS for the next 4 seasons after he was back in Oakland, and it was almost like night and day.

david k
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

I remember those times for those two franchises in the 80s. The Giants did not have a recent history of success at that time, but the A’s had the powerhouse teams of the 1970s, so they attracted a lot of fans because of that (and, yes, Candlestick was a horrible place to watch a baseball game).

However, the Giants seemed to have the advantage of drawing from the wealthier areas of the bay area, and that probably drove some decisions the two franchises made, and at least partly led to the fate of the two franchises right now.

david k
2 years ago
Reply to  david k

I just read the comment below mine, and forgot to mention that accessibility thru mass transit was definitely a significant factor as well.

synco
2 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

The A’s ownership sense of entitlement is pretty bad but par for the course but the city politicians are not much better, stringing the team along for over a decade and eventually shooting down every proposal other than staying in the dump.

Having worked with the local government for a while, I can confirm that the city never ever intended to build a new stadium. They didn’t in 2005 and they don’t now. There will always be a reason why one can’t be built, and the plan always has been and always will be to keep the A’s in the Oakland Coliseum for as long as possible, while making as few updates to the property as possible.

And, rightfully so. The City of Oakland has far more pressing concerns than spending a bunch of money it doesn’t have to further enrich an already-rich owner (be it Wolff, Fisher, or whoever).

It’s a crappy situation all around. The A’s should leave, if they intend to be a financially successful franchise independent of revenue sharing. It will suck for the fans.

david k
2 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

Ownership in AZ have been complaining about their ballpark needing significant remodeling for a few years now, and the city doesn’t seem too interested in chipping in (at least not anything of significance). We’ll see how this plays out in the next couple of years. They already have one nomad team over there with the Coyotes playing on a college hockey rink, with still no concrete permanent stadium plans that I’ve heard of, so why not one more?

synco
2 years ago
Reply to  keithk

The city of Oakland pretty clearly entered the negotiations with a chip on their shoulder and asked for a bunch of things that were never going to happen.

One of the most inexplicable parts of this is extension fee they proposed. The A’s are currently paying $1.5m a year to be in the Coliseum. The 5-year extension the city offered was for $97m with a three-year opt out (on a side note, I get a kick out of them aping the current trendy MLB contract structure). I get it in that the city needs the money, but the A’s are never going to take that.

It seems like each side is very confident that they hold all the cards in this negotiation, and are trying to prove a point to the other. Which is a very odd position to be in.

To echo my other posts, it’s a crappy situation. Part of the bargain you make as a city these days with a big-3 franchise is that every 20-30 years you’re going to have to hand them a barrel of cash to stick around. Is that good? No. Is it the reality? Yes. I’m on Oakland’s side here – they shouldn’t pay the A’s. At some point cities do need to stand up to teams. It’s just a bummer that it’s going to cost Oakland the A’s.

Last edited 2 years ago by synco
sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  NicklePickers

They probably aren’t paying much rent at all (maybe not any at all) in Sacramento. No idea how much it is to move, nor how much retrofitting is needed. I think they will probably come out ahead on that score. The real question is the TV money. The A’s TV deal is not terrible and we know they will lose part of it by moving to Sacramento. The question is how much, but it is quite possible they will lose more than $20M a year in TV money.

docgooden85Member since 2018
2 years ago

“Fisher said he looked forward to seeing stars like Aaron Judge hit home runs there…”

This fool has a real talent for dunking on himself.

He not only is talking about rooting for the other team to score, he’s acknowledging that his team consistently has no stars (as a direct result of his own savage penury).

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  docgooden85

Or…he plans to trade for Aaron Judge!

Barney Coolio
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

It would be awesome if he had caught himself and quickly pivoted, “Uhhhhh….I intend on trading for Aaron Judge!”

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

I understand the joke here, but thinking about it, I don’t know that the A’s have enough talent in their entire organization to do so.

Also, the choice of citing Aaron Judge — Cali boy who famously spurned the Giants — isn’t a coincidence.

PhilMember since 2016
2 years ago

The Oakland A’s swapping stadiums with the Giants AAA team would elevate this whole A’s fiasco to performance art.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  Phil

I’m sure Fisher would happily give up the territorial rights to Oakland. Wait. They’re not his to give? Good thing that rule wasn’t in force when Haas gave up San Jose.

fjtorres
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

As of nov, there are no Oakland territorial rights. For anybody.
Oakland is being made an example for KC.

Sleepy
2 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

Chicago doesn’t have “territorial rights.”

Los Angeles doesn’t have “territorial rights.”

New York doesn’t have “territorial rights.”

So why does the Bay? It’s a 30-plus-year old nothing concocted out of thin air to help the Giants stay. Time to kill it.

Mitchell MooreMember since 2020
2 years ago

John Fisher is debasing MLB, and his fellow owners and Manfred have enabled the debasement at every step. I’m beginning to think billionaires are literally shameless.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  Mitchell Moore

He’s also making a terrible financial decision. Las Vegas is not anywhere near as attractive a market as Oakland. His correct move would have been to fight the territorial rights to San Jose tooth and nail — legally, politically, and in media — and become the local team in Silicon Valley. Somehow Steve Schott has become the most responsible owner in Oakland Athletics history. Yikes.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Also easily the best MLB owner named Schott.

BobMember since 2016
2 years ago

John Fisher has shown again and again that he cares very, very little about fans, employees, players and the press. He has also shown again and again that he can and will change his mind repeatedly. He has made false promises again and again. He has shown incompetence again and again.
This is nowhere near the end of this saga. I still see a chance that at some point he will flat on his face in such a way that he will finally sell the team.

speedy
2 years ago

Wouldn’t it be easier just to rent out a Spring Training Facility? And is that mandated TP double or single ply?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  speedy

Pretty sure the D-Backs would try to block that. They also seem to be pretty bent on staying in California so they don’t lose their entire TV deal.

OddStatsMember since 2017
2 years ago

Sacramento is a “minor league city,” but Vegas isn’t?

Metro area size and US rank:

  • Sacramento 2,420,608, 28th largest
  • Vegas 2,336,573 29th largest
  • Cincinnati 2,271,479 30th largest
  • KC 2,221,343 31st largest
  • Cleveland 2,158,932 33rd largest
  • Nashville 2,102,573 35th largest
  • Milwaukee 1,560,424 40th largest

Sactown has no less business housing a team than the rest of these cities.

synco
2 years ago
Reply to  OddStats

To start, I think the A’s moving to Vegas is a terrible idea, and I doubt they ever make it there.

But it’s still a far more attractive option than Sacramento. There’s money, energy, and a tourist economy in Vegas that makes it way more attractive for sponsors. (Almost) literally no one goes to Sacramento unless if you have family there or are in state government.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  synco

It’s sort of close to Yosemite and Lake Tahoe

PC1970Member since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

2- 2 1/2 hours..Napa is similar.

The problem is if you’re going to one of those places, it’s an entire day to get to a game in Sacramento. Round trip is close to 5 hours, add in getting to a game early & it’s an 8+ hour deal..AWAY from your vacation spot.

At least in the proposed Vegas spot, the park is right on the strip. You go see a game & you’re back at the MGM (or whatever) in 10 minutes.

synco
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

People who are going to Yosemite or Lake Tahoe go to Yosemite or Lake Tahoe. Which are quite far away. They don’t home base out of Sacramento and do day trips to those places. They’re really far.

Again, no one goes to Sacramento unless if they have family there or they’re in state government. It’s not a small town, and it’s not a bad city (at all), it just has zero visitor appeal.

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ThomasMember since 2017
2 years ago

Ouch:

“Sacramento has ranked somewhere below Virginia Beach but above Khartoum on the list of most attractive candidate cities.”

I’ve had to visit Sac on several occasions over the years, and while this is amusing, it’s harsh. Not really a bad town, and by no means small.

bernardgilkeyhasaposseMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  Thomas

Khartoum Athletics would be pretty baller, tho

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago

Khartoum is a good lesson on the mighty can fall really far

Lanidrac
2 years ago

Fisher can’t even properly maintain an actual Major Lague stadium, so how is he going to deal with this minor league park?

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

Ranadivė will be in charge

Doug LampertMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

How much of the maintenance on the Colossium was his responsibility as opposed to Oakland’s?

This is a real question from me, because I don’t know.

Oakland sure sounds like they were the managing partner. They were the ones offering to negotiate rental on the stadium after all. I tend to blame the landlord/manager for sewage floods and possums in the pressbox.

synco
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug Lampert

Pre-2018, the Coliseum, Oracle Arena (former home of the Warriors), and the surrounding parking lot were owned 50/50 by Alameda County and the City of Oakland. So all maintenance was entirely on local government before that time.

It gets messy after that – in 2019 the A’s agreed to buy the county’s share, but it got real messy along the way. Might be easier to read about it elsewhere: https://www.si.com/mlb/athletics/relocation/as-agree-to-pay-remainder-of-bill-on-coliseum-site

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The Duke
2 years ago

Most the comments are predictably anti Fisher. The A’s divorced Oakland a year ago. Why would you want to live in the same house as your angry-ex? The only question was where would they move for 3-4 years.

Sacramento appears to be the least bad of a bunch of subpar choices. As to the bigger picture:

1. This is great for SF and MLB. SF gets control of their whole market and MLB puts a team in a new growing market
2. It’s bad for Oakland fanboys but Bay Area fans still have an MLB team playing in a much better stadium. This nonsense about Oakland “losing an MLB team” is just that. Nonsense. The Bay Area lost one of its two teams. Sounds better doesn’t it?
3. It’s a coup for Sacramento as they can audition their city. Let’s face it, Oakland can NEVER get another team as SF won’t allow it. Sacramento is now the lead Ca location
4. It’s a smart move not to move a crappy team to Vegas for three years. In 4/5 years the As may be a superpower. Why poison the fanbase with a bad team now?

There are no losers here, just some hurt feelings. As to Fisher, I’d be shocked if he doesn’t sell the team in 3-4 years to a LV consortium and make a ton of money.

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  The Duke

It’s a smart move not to move a crappy team to Vegas for three years. In 4/5 years the As may be a superpower. 

Given the talent — or lack thereof — in the system, the historical unwillingness to invest in the team, and a recent track record of trading arbitration-eligible stars for pennies on the dollar, what would give anyone an impression that this team will be baseball-relevant, let alone a superpower, in 4-5 years?

Things can change rapidly, sure, but why would you give this organization the benefit of any doubt?

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  The Duke

It’s bad for Oakland fanboys but Bay Area fans still have an MLB team playing in a much better stadium. This nonsense about Oakland “losing an MLB team” is just that. Nonsense. The Bay Area lost one of its two teams. Sounds better doesn’t it?

There is a level of multi-generational grudge that is still held in Brooklyn over the Dodgers. Sure, some picked up the Yankees or, eventually, the Mets as their favored nine, and still others continued to follow the Dodgers from the other coast. But there is a real level of resentment there.

Handwaving this away as “losing one of its two teams” is what is nonsense. The city of Oakland has an independent identity as a city that’s not just “the Bay Area”.

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  The Duke

It’s a coup for Sacramento as they can audition their city.

I don’t think Sacramento is going to get a lot of positive press out of this arrangement. The A’s are literally treating them a non-entity by simply omitting their city from their name.

There’s also the issue of “auditioning” with a AAA stadium that has less than a calendar year to get upgraded.

This is as much as an audition as the Blue Jays playing in Buffalo was an audition.

Let’s face it, Oakland can NEVER get another team as SF won’t allow it.

If MLB wants it to happen, it’ll happen. Otherwise, the Washington Nationals would not be a thing.

david k
2 years ago

So the team will just be called the “A’s” in Sacramento, with no location identifier accompanying it. Is this unprecedented in the major team sports. I mean, we did have it the other way around, with the “Washington Football Team”, and we also had a MLB team with TWO location identifiers (the laughable Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim moniker), but I can’t recall anything like this A’s situation.