Braves Acquire Matt Olson as Freeman Replacement in Blockbuster Swap

Jayne Kamin-Oncea-USA TODAY Sports

Baseball’s second stab at an offseason continues at a brisk pace with the biggest move yet this week, a blockbuster trade that sees the A’s send first baseman Matt Olson to the Braves in a five-player deal. Atlanta didn’t get off lightly, parting with outfielder Cristian Pache, catcher Shea Langeliers (who were Nos. 72 and 70, respectively, on our preseason Top 100 prospects list), and pitchers Ryan Cusick and Joey Estes to whatever the heck they’re calling the stadium in Oakland this year. (We’ll have much more on those four prospects coming later from Eric Longenhagen and Kevin Goldstein in a separate post.)

Fresh off a new collective bargaining agreement, the A’s have let it be known that they’re ready for business in no uncertain terms. While there was no obvious requirement to trade Olson quickly — he’s two full seasons away from hitting free agency — Oakland would be hard-pressed to get an even larger package than this. I’d personally like to see the franchise actually keep one of its stars past the point at which the team can get market value, but if you’re determined to trade Olson, I can’t think of a much better situation. Many teams need first base help, and with 15 designated hitter jobs now needing to be filled in the National League, help on the easier end of the defensive spectrum comes at a premium. If you want to add a first baseman in free agency, you basically have one superstar (Freddie Freeman), one good player (Anthony Rizzo), and an interesting slugger that you’re not quite sure is a full-time option at the position (Kyle Schwarber) to choose from before the talent pool becomes a waterfall.

The sad part of the trade from the Braves’ perspective is that this essentially closes the door on the Atlanta portion of Freeman’s career. While the team could theoretically re-sign him and play either him or Olson at DH, both are solid first baseman, with Olson a deserving Gold Glover, and neither may be too keen on abandoning a part of their skillset, given a choice. I also have the feeling that if the Braves were comfortable paying both Freeman and Olson, they likely would have bowled their incumbent first baseman over with an enormous offer a year ago. I warned back in September that despite the feeling at the time that Freeman would likely return, it would be dangerous to assume that until he actually signed.

If you’re replacing Freeman, Olson is a good way to go about it. In light of the associated risk with being the oldest of the elite first basemen, ZiPS projects Freeman to slip to fourth in baseball in WAR at the position, though still at the level of a star. Two of the three players ahead of him in the projections are almost certainly unavailable to the Braves: Vladimir Guerrero Jr. and Pete Alonso. The other player is Olson.

There are no specific reasons to expect Olson to play below All-Star level beyond the usual risks that any terrific player has (injury, fluky BABIP, freakishly poor season out of the blue). He set career highs for both home runs (39) and batting average (.271) in a poor hitters’ park, putting up his first five-WAR season. ZiPS doesn’t project much of a change in his overall value from Oakland but does see an uptick in his raw stats, projecting him to hit new career highs in both homers and batting average, though not WAR.

ZiPS Projection – Matt Olson
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SB OPS+ DR WAR
2022 .273 .375 .558 527 93 144 30 0 40 124 80 3 140 5 4.6
2023 .274 .375 .562 514 90 141 31 0 39 120 77 3 141 5 4.5
2024 .270 .370 .547 497 86 134 30 0 36 113 74 4 136 5 4.0
2025 .265 .365 .530 479 80 127 28 0 33 105 70 4 131 4 3.5
2026 .260 .359 .505 461 72 120 26 0 29 94 65 4 123 4 2.9
2027 .255 .349 .475 436 65 111 24 0 24 83 58 4 113 4 2.1
2028 .247 .337 .443 413 57 102 21 0 20 72 51 3 102 4 1.4

As painful as it seems, Atlanta has a better argument for signing Olson, who’s five years younger, over Freeman to a long-term deal, from the cruel actuary’s perspective. With two more cost-controlled years, ZiPS projects a $142 million deal over seven years as a reasonable offer to send to Olson’s camp, should the Braves want to close a deal quickly. As with Freeman, they could go higher, both because they’re the top contender in a division with at least one big spender and because they certainly have the money to do so. There doesn’t appear to be any conditional window for the Braves to come to a long-term contract agreement with Olson, so they could close a deal next week, next year, or never.

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While the Braves get a lot, the A’s aren’t letting them swap a rusty Chevrolet Celebrity for the sports car. Pache’s star hasn’t gone white dwarf, but after seeing his outlook worsen considerably over the last two years, his prospect status is certainly burning helium instead of hydrogen. Though his glove is center still looks to be excellent, he’s offensively probably behind where he was in 2019. His cup of coffee in Atlanta last year was abysmal, like an espresso served in an ashtray, as he hit .111/.152/.206 with 25 walks against only two strikeouts over 68 scattered plate appearances [or the much less exciting 25 strikeouts against two walks -DS]. His Triple-A performance was more typical but only looked like his Triple-A debut in 2019. Combine his major league performance and minor league translation, and ZiPS sees his line in 2021 as .211/.267/.344.

ZiPS Projection – Cristian Pache
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SB OPS+ DR WAR
2022 .217 .271 .364 429 55 93 21 3 12 44 29 7 75 9 1.0
2023 .219 .279 .382 411 55 90 22 3 13 45 31 6 82 9 1.5
2024 .218 .281 .387 413 55 90 22 3 14 45 33 6 84 9 1.6
2025 .218 .282 .387 413 56 90 22 3 14 45 34 6 84 8 1.6
2026 .215 .281 .393 410 56 88 22 3 15 46 35 5 85 8 1.6
2027 .215 .284 .390 344 47 74 18 3 12 39 30 4 85 7 1.4

Now, that’s not exactly an exciting projection, but at 23, Pache still has some time left to get back on one of the better career paths. Even if he doesn’t, he may still be the new Jarrod Dyson, which isn’t a bad scenario, though at least a mildly disappointing one.

ZiPS may not be bullish on Pache, but it is when it comes to Langeliers. Back in 2020, Eric Longenhagen and Kiley McDaniel ranked him No. 8 on their preseason Braves list, with the hope that his power potential would eventually manifest after his recovery from a broken hamate bone. It didn’t happen that year, for reasons I’m sure I don’t have to reiterate, but given a full, healthy season in ’21, Langeliers exploded, putting up an .836 OPS and seeing his home run count surge from two to 22. ZiPS translates his 2021 season as .239/.294/.440 — respectable for a catcher. But unlike a lot of power-hitting backstops, his glove is a feature, not a bug.

ZiPS Projection – Shea Langeliers
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SB OPS+ DR WAR
2022 .225 .281 .404 356 35 80 14 1 16 41 25 1 88 6 1.9
2023 .228 .289 .418 337 35 77 14 1 16 41 26 1 94 7 2.1
2024 .227 .289 .425 339 36 77 14 1 17 43 27 1 95 7 2.2
2025 .227 .290 .436 335 37 76 14 1 18 44 27 1 98 7 2.4
2026 .226 .289 .440 327 36 74 14 1 18 43 27 1 99 6 2.3
2027 .230 .293 .450 318 36 73 14 1 18 43 27 1 103 5 2.3
2028 .234 .295 .448 308 34 72 13 1 17 41 25 1 103 4 2.2

ZiPS already thinks Langeliers is a legitimate starter in the majors; a repeat of 2021 would send his projection soaring. In Oakland, there’s the problem of the A’s already having a solid starting catcher in Sean Murphy, but in two years, he’ll be two years from free agency. I’m just saying…

Like Chase Petty, another 2021 first-round pick traded the last few days, Cusick is a very hard thrower with limited professional experience. He’s older and so likely a bit safer than Petty but did have occasional command lapses in college. Estes is not as highly touted as the other prospects in this trade, but he has a reasonably deep repertoire consisting of a low-to-mid-90s fastball, a decent slider, and a change and curve that are still a work in progress. ZiPS sees him peaking somewhere in the one-win range, which is actually a pretty good result for the last prospect in a big trade, and the A’s have had success producing average-ish starting pitchers almost by assembly line.

To sum things up, if the A’s were determined to trade Olson, I don’t think they were likely to get a better return than this at any point. And for the Braves, they made sure that they’ll have a star first baseman in the middle of their lineup, even if it also feels a bit bittersweet because of what it represents.





Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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FrancoeursteinMember since 2020
4 years ago

Gonna miss ya, Freddie. Matt, welcome home!

LightenUpFGMember since 2018
4 years ago

Seems that the Braves weren’t willing to go the Votto or Pujols route in terms of money and age risk, but it’s a pity that yet another player won’t get to finish with one team. That’s business I guess.

RMD4
4 years ago
Reply to  LightenUpFG

Both the Votto and Pujols contracts had them guaranteed past their 40th birthday and Freeman was only asking to cover through his age 37 season. The difference between 37 and 40 is huge. Considering Freeman has put up a better wRC+ since his age 28 season than before, he would still have several excellent years before he’d turn south. The Braves are right in the spot on the win curve where signing a fan favorite, clubhouse favorite would be a no brainer. I can’t help but expect that there would be a feeling of unease among the Atlanta players that they replaced a franchise stalwart with somebody new.

Essentially, the Braves gave up key position up the middle prospects for a guy who is under intense pressure to has to fill an MVP’s shoes while adjusting to a new league. They penny pinched to let an incredibly consistent player walk right during the time when consistency was needed.

Jason BMember since 2017
4 years ago
Reply to  RMD4

Penny pinched to get younger and likely as good or better production at 1B? Look, I get that Freeman is popular and some feel that shouldn’t be discounted, but “penny pinching” would entail them signing someone like Mitch Moreland on the cheap. This ain’t that.

Last edited 4 years ago by Jason B
Jason BMember since 2017
4 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

$180M contract, the day after the trade. “Penny pinching” proven demonstrably false in record time 🙂

Dmjn53
4 years ago
Reply to  RMD4

but they acquired a better player, that can’t just be glossed over. It’s not like they signed the corpse of Anthony Rizzo

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  LightenUpFG

I am not defending the reserve clause but watching the great players end their entire career with the club that they were the face of the franchise is a positive. Joe DiMaggio, Ted Williams, Bob Feller, Sandy Koufax, Brooks Robinson are true icons in their respective cities and the thought that David Ortiz might ever play another game after his Red Sox career is unimaginable There are players who simply belong to a team, to a city. I lost all respect for Albert Pujols when he stiffed St. Louis, the city and the fans even more than the Cardinals, and I was rewarded when I stuck my imaginary pins into the voodoo doll that was present in my psyche. It is sad to say but I can no longer hold Freddie Freeman in the same high regard that I have for many years and I have another doll prepared for him.

Dmjn53
4 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

even for you, this is a weird comment

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

I guess I value loyalty and that was just my way of saying that I enjoyed watching Pujols hamstring the Angels organization for ten years after he went for the money.

gettwobrute79Member since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

I’m not defending the reserve clause, but I’m here to tell you why the reserve clause was wonderful.
-bosoxforlife, probably-

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  gettwobrute79

I most definitely was not defending the reserve clause and I am one of the few on this site who was well into adulthood when it was finally abolished. That doesn’t change the fact that fans connected more closely with players who spent 10-15 or even 20 years with the same team. Ted Williams (1939-1960 and Carl Yastrzemski (1961-1983) hold special places in the hearts and minds of Red Sox Nation and Big Papi went out the way Hall of Famers should. On his own terms and with the team that he was the face of the franchise for many years. I wish Freddie Freeman had followed that example and while fans of the Braves will always appreciate all that he gave to the team that special something at the end of his career just won’t be what it should have been.

gettwobrute79Member since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

I know you weren’t defending the reserve clause, I was just having a little fun with that comment. And while I realize that an identity of a player is stronger if he’s a one-time guy, that’s going to be exceedingly rare. Even for guys that you always thought would never leave. It’s the nature of the business and it’s odd to take that out on a player when the organization is involved in this decision too.
And also, it’s a pretty weird take (bordering on poor taste) to wish ill on someone like Pujols or Freddie. All because they didn’t stay with one team for the duration of their career.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

Should I have used Jason Varitek or Jim Rice or Dustin Pedroia as examples? I was trying to show what the connection to a single team means to the fan base of that team. This goes along with my very strong belief that contracts such as those signed by Harper, Tatis, Javier and even Olson, to a lesser degree are very good for the game

Antonio BananasMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

Cardinals fans no longer regret Pujols leaving…

cregwalkerMember since 2022
4 years ago

If Pache actually walked 25 times and struck out only twice in 68 plate appearances, I would be much higher on him than I actually am!
Snark aside, I would’ve liked to see Oakland hang on to Olson and augment a really solid core, but I like this return for them.

EltnegMember since 2020
4 years ago

It’s a defensible move by the Braves but I’m really interested to see what Olson’s contract ends up looking like. I assume the Braves didn’t want to give Freeman the years he wanted, but the hilariously cheap Acuña/Ozzie extensions plus the assets they gave up for Olson should give him a lot of leverage in negotiations.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  Eltneg

You have your answer now and Alex Anthopoulos has already locked up Executive of the Year award. 8 years for the same amount of money that Freeman was demanding for 6 and for a player who is 4 1/2 years younger. This is a coup equal to landing the MVP’s of both the NLCS and the WS at last year’s deadline for nothing more than a bag of shags and a couple of broken bats. At the same time Oakland has a chance to benefit as well even though Pache has lost almost all of his lustre and the other prospects are just that.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago

I think the Braves did great here. They just won a world series without their best player, so their window of contention is wide open. Langeliers is an outstanding prospect, and Cusick and Estes are very interesting, but the time to win is now. If you want to maximize the full window for Acuna and Albies, this does that just as much as bringing back Freeman, but also allows them to make yet another splash in a couple of years (unless they extend Olson, although that would keep them from needing to get another big bat).

I’m not sure how I feel about this on the A’s side. I’m of the mind that Pache is very, very overrated. They could trade Laureano and put Pache in CF and see what they have, but Pache has one option year to get good enough to work out his problems. If he doesn’t fix enough of them to get to an 80 wRC+ or so, he’s not going to get enough playing time in the majors to develop further. But Langeliers is an excellent prospect and possible star, and the pitchers are interesting. I think I would have felt a lot better about the A’s return if they had gotten Harris instead…this return looks to me like it’s good but not a slam-dunk, must-do for them.

TheGarrettCooperFanClub
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I agree on everything about Pache. He is a good asset for the A’s to have (controllable CF that won’t get as expensive in arbitration because of the nature of his game), but I would have preferred Harris instead as well.

Jasper FranciscoMember since 2017
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yep, I’m dubious about an offensively-disappointing prospect figuring it out in the Oakland Coliseum.

GoodEnoughForMeMember since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Agreed regarding Pache, although I suppose outside of Colorado, the currently cavernous confines in Oakland were his best landing spot, and at least will allow his range and defense to get a lot of use.

Last edited 4 years ago by GoodEnoughForMe
bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
4 years ago

Ramon Laureano isn’t exactly an empty uniform and is still arb eligible through 2024. He and Pache have very similar profiles and is probably headed else where now and would certainly get more in return than Pache.

dl80Member since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Totally agree. He’s a poor man’s Ender Inciarte (in his prime).

frankMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I’m going to get some flack here, but many FG readers want to see different perspectives, so here goes. I think the Braves gave up more than they got, though it is completely understandable because they are in a win-now window. Though Langeliers is the clear prize here (and a potential Top 5 catcher who can hit is a *big* prize), I’m higher on Pache than ZIPS or most on this blog. The man is an outstanding CF going to a team (with a big park) that can maximize his talents; OAK was in the lower tier of defenses last year and this will help a lot. He also was more highly rated before the pandemic, and there is a possibility that he figures it out. And I’ll certainly take that bet about him exceeding a .300 OBP. Assuming that the pitchers are as projected here, this is a pretty decent haul for 2 years of Olson after his best year. Not sure I agree with the projection that he exceeds both his career-best HR and BA this year.

David Klein
4 years ago

As a Mets fan I was hoping they wouldn’t re-sign Freeman but lose out on Olson as a replacement and sign a declining Rizzo as the replacement. While the Braves replaced an elite first baseball with another elite first baseman, I can see why Braves fans are hurting , as Freeman was a long time great player there and losing him stinks.

steveo
4 years ago

The trade is fine. But really, they should’ve just given Freddie Freeman the 6th year and traded their prospects for pitching or someone else. I’m low on Christian Pache. All glove, no bat guys just aren’t my cup of tea. I’d be shocked if he put a .300 OBP in the majors. Maybe I’m wrong, but I think the Braves sold on him at the appropriate time. Had they waited another 3-4 months, his trade value might’ve tanked. Langeliers looks like a solid prospect, but he whiffs a bit too much for my liking and really, catching prospects are so volatile I don’t mind trading him away. Cusick and Estes are top 15ish prospects IDK, maybe Oakland likes these guys more than most, but I’m not crazy about the deal tbh. Feels like they got top prospects in a below average system.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago

Also, I’m of the mind that the Braves avoided a bit of a trap here. I don’t know what Freeman was asking for, but nearly every single “worst contract” in major league baseball was given out to a first baseman in their 30s. Chris Davis, Albert Pujols, Miguel Cabrera, and Ryan Howard come to mind. Atlanta’s offers were apparently in the 5 year, $140M range. How much higher than that do you want to go? Sure, there’s a decent chance he’ll be good for the next few years but if you’re getting closer to $200M it’s going to be ugly.

JimMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Good point, sadtrom

mariodegenzgz
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Counterpoint: the Braves are paying Ozzie and Ronald PENNIES compared to what they’re worth. Freddie is a franchise icon. You just won a World Series. You do not let that guy walk, you pay him, you give him a 6th year, and you keep him a Brave for his entire career. That’s the right thing to do.

This move for Matt Olson, while good when looked at in a totally cold, emotionless sense, is the sort of thing you do on OOTP or MLBTS Franchise Mode. Not in real life.

LightenUpFGMember since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  mariodegenzgz

Freddie is a franchise icon. You just won a World Series. You do not let that guy walk, you pay him, you give him a 6th year, and you keep him a Brave for his entire career. That’s the right thing to do.”

It really is, for the fans, especially the kids. It’s likely that there were many more reasons not to bring him back (finances, analytics, etc) and the fans lose out… unless they like the Olson guy a decent amount too as the season wears on.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  mariodegenzgz

This implicitly assumes that Freeman either
1) stays good enough that the fans don’t notice a decline
2) don’t care that he’s being paid $35M

I think there’s an equally plausible scenario where he turns in a slash line of .250/.325/.400 and the fans start cursing him because he can’t play anymore and he’s getting paid $35M a year. It probably won’t get that bad, but it is probably as likely as him remaining beloved when he’s something like the 22nd best first baseman in the league.

fjtorres
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Baseball is a cruel *business* as well as a fun sport.
Ying/yang.

Dmjn53
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Couldn’t agree more with this. Braves fans now will only have memories of Freeman of an elite player. They won’t have to deal with the bad taste of decline years at the end of his career. Like I’d imagine Miggy’s popularity in Detroit is a lot lower than it was 5 years ago

NYYfaninLAAlandMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  mariodegenzgz

Or something The Rays would do, which may have something to do with why they can’t draw flies. But maybe the better baseball decision.

fjtorres
4 years ago
Reply to  mariodegenzgz

Purely business: If you luck out on one deal it doesn’t mean you should blow the savings on another deal by over-paying. Smart business says you use the savings on another rational deal. Maybe this year, maybe next.

As for Freeman specifically, yes, it sucks he won’t finish his career as a single franchise player but he wasn’t irreplaceable. Few players are. In the meantime, fans have Acuña and might grow to love Olson. Fans are…adaptable… 😊

airforce21oneMember since 2026
4 years ago
Reply to  mariodegenzgz

How do you know how much Freeman is asking for?

pepper69funMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  mariodegenzgz

Speaking as a Braves fan for my whole life, the RIGHT thing to do is make your best effort to put a World Series winning team on the field. I would have been pissed if Atlanta gave in to emotional appeals and gave a huge, six year contract that takes Freeman into his late 30’s. That’s just dumb.

Dmjn53
4 years ago
Reply to  mariodegenzgz

But what’s the goal here? Fuzzy feelings about a franchise icon or winning baseball games?

Factoring in age, Matt Olson is simply better than Freddie Freeman. He gives them a better chance to win. Freddie Freeman’s accomplishments in Atlanta can never be taken away, but that’s the past. I’m not a Braves fan, but I’d be thrilled at this outcome. You got a decade of excellence from Freeman, and now move on to a younger, equally excellent player that can be your next franchise icon

NYYfaninLAAlandMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

On the bad contract list Jacoby Ellsbury (non-1B) has his hand raised for your attention.

Jason BMember since 2017
4 years ago

I don’t think he was implying that every single “worst contract ever” was exclusively aging 1B…just that there are plenty of examples

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

If you made a Top 5 list, I am pretty sure all 4 of those first basemen would be on it. If you go to a Top 10, you might only add one or two more first basemen. So it does depend a bit on the window you’re picking.

sbf21
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

It was sad and shocking to me from half way across the country when the Cardinals let Albert Pujols walk away as a free agent. How could they let such an iconic player go, especially after winning the World Series?

Looks prescient now.

Last edited 4 years ago by sbf21
WARonEverything
4 years ago
Reply to  sbf21

I think it turned out fine for STL through right? In the end if a team wins most fans won’t care if they don’t get to watch their favorite player age out of his contract.

PC1970Member since 2024
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

While that’s certainly true, Freeman is a different body type/hitter than those guys, right? He’s not an all or nothing/High K guy like Davis or Howard. He’s not a big bulky guy like Miggy or Howard. It’s not signing him to age 41 like the Pujols (or age 43 for Albert?) or Miggy deals.

pepper69funMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  PC1970

Pujols cratered long before tail end of his deal

howieloader
4 years ago
Reply to  pepper69fun

Looooong before lol

sirswerdna
4 years ago

I think the reason the A’s are in a hurry is that they are singularly focused on moving the team to Las Vegas. They chose to build at the least likely to-be-approved site, they raised concession and parking prices, now they are selling off the players who are the only reason any fans come to games in the first place. Why else would they move Olson now? It isn’t like these owners are EVER going to invest in winning a championship. Funny how 3 years ago, the MLB threatened to take the team away for lack of investing. Now the MLB supports their move to Vegas. Huh? Shady MLB…

ccctl
4 years ago
Reply to  sirswerdna

You missed the part where they’re being phased back onto revenue sharing because of having made serious progress in Oakland. And that if they don’t have a signed stadium deal by end 2024, it stops.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  ccctl

If they get a stadium deal in Las Vegas it also counts.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  sirswerdna

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but the slightly less cynical take on this is that they want to have a pool of talent so that when a new stadium opens they will have a reason for fans to go and check it out.

frankMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  sirswerdna

The Port site is not the “least likely to-be-approved site.” The Laney college site had much less going for it as did other discussed locations. Yes, a Coliseum rebuild would have been easier to approve, but it would have been much less profitable. The As do want the Port site approved, and if there aren’t too many expensive conditions put on it, they will build there and stay in Oakland.

TheGarrettCooperFanClub
4 years ago

Big day for FanGraphs traffic I’m sure. You guys are killing it.

steveo
4 years ago

This trade also makes me wonder if teams simply ask for a team’s top prospect no matter how deep the system is. I think Oswald Peraza is better than any prospect in this trade (so does Fangraphs prospect gurus), yet the Athletics apparently wanted Anthony Volpe from the Yankees. I know teams have their own internal rankings, but just kind of curious to me.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  steveo

Langeliers is probably as good as Peraza, and it is entirely plausible the A’s like him more. There’s some heterogeneity among different evaluators. If they think that Langeliers is a 55 and Pache is a 50 (I think each of those guys are half a grade down from that, but you get the picture) then the Yankees really would have to give up Volpe or significantly more depth to compete.

steveo
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

That’s fair. I guess I just have a different philosophy when it comes to prospects. I obviously don’t know as much as MLB teams, but MLB teams get it wrong a lot too, to be fair. Langeliers is fine, but catching prospects are highly volatile. Which is especially true for good but not elite ones. It’s probably just a function of them liking these guys more than the Yankees guys. Also this probably means Sean Murphy is a goner in a year or two. But that was probably already the case.

digiderek
4 years ago
Reply to  steveo

I wouldn’t be surprised if Murphy is a goner THIS year.

NYYfaninLAAlandMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  steveo

Being a Yanks fan that was my initial thinking, but I’m not certain the Yanks were offering a comparable package here. NY might have been able to offer nearer term pitching than ATL gave, but it likely came down to what the As’ were looking for and their valuations. Perhaps near term OF help was a priority and Yanks don’t have that to offer. A little surprised about Pache here with Laureano still there (despite April suspension), but who knows what other shoes will drop. And it doesn’t appear proximity to the bigs is their only decision variable right now.

fjtorres
4 years ago
Reply to  steveo

Trades aren’t like drafts.
Drafts are “best talent available” long term pays, for the most part.
Trades are “targetted needs” plays, sometimes long term, sometimes short term, sometimes a mix.
The A’s obviously aren’t trading to compete in ’22. Maybe ’23, more likely a ’24-26 window.

And numbers also factor into value evaluation. The more lottery tickets the better the cgance to get *something* back.

The A’s look to get at least one regular, one starter, and a couple of maybes.

averagejoe15Member since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

This isn’t true. Trades can be either for targeted needs or getting the best available talent. A team in the A’s position has no reason to be shopping for ‘needs’. They went for the package they felt had the most overall talent.

MTfor42Member since 2025
4 years ago

*fusing helium instead of hydrogen. I think the strikeout/walk numbers in the Pache paragraph might be inverted.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
4 years ago

A’s weren’t going to win anything in 2022 as is. I’m pretty pleased with the return

CindyJNCMember since 2021
4 years ago

As a Braves fan I like the trade. I’m just glad Michael Harris wasn’t included. My guess is the A’s had a choice between Langeliers and Harris because there was no way they would trade both. I think AA did the right thing…..the Braves got Freddie’s best years. 6 years is too long for a 32 year old player.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  CindyJNC

I’d have taken Harris instead of Pache and Langeliers put together but I doubt that was offered

Terrier1980
4 years ago

Just signed up for Fangraphs on the strength of Dan’s reporting…. and David Laurila too. If either leave within the next year I’ll be effing fuming!

Dmjn53
4 years ago

Having a hard time faulting the Braves here. Olson is likelier the better player in 2022, and obviously at his age would be a far better long term investment going forward. Langeliers looks promising, but Pache looks like a depreciating asset that might not have any value if they held onto him for another year.
We can question the quantity of prospects, but bottom line is that they upgraded a position that was already a huge strength. Tough to lose Freeman and get better, but the Braves did

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Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

Well their depth is worse but yes

Michael Bock
4 years ago

I dimly recall Boras claiming that Freeman and his agent were idiots for thinking the Braves franchise would have any loyalty, particularly monetary loyalty, to Freeman in exchange for his taking less than market value as a youngster. Guess Boras was proved right.

fjtorres
4 years ago
Reply to  Michael Bock

Well, duh!
Boras game is squeezing every last cent out of “the other guy”.
Two can play that game.

Let’s wait and see what Freeman gets and (if it ever comes out) what he wanted.

Most teams are past the whole “pay for what tbey did” game and instead pay for what they can reasonably expect. Some players will exceed, some will fall short. That much is part of the game.

Just remember that Boras doesn’t care about team success or fan service, only his own percent.

averagejoe15Member since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

Boras’ game is doing what his client wants and most often clients hire him to maximize contract value.

Urban Shocker's JockstrapMember since 2020
4 years ago

We know the Braves aren’t short on cash, and that’s all Freeman would’ve cost. Pay him and use that package to get pitching or outfield upgrades. Who knows what could happen with Soroka, Morton is old and coming off a serious injury, and the rental outfield that carried them last year isn’t full of guys you necessarily want to spend big bucks on. Unless Freeman was clear that he wanted to be somewhere else or would refuse to move to DH down the road, this is a big bummer. You just won the World Series, sign your franchise guy and keep the vibes rolling. In anticipation of the responses, yes, baseball is a business. I too go to the ballpark to cheer for long-term financial flexibility while wearing my “Avoided the Luxury Tax” jersey.

PC1970Member since 2024
4 years ago

This will be fascinating to track over the next 4-5 years, which deal is better:

Door A– Freeman for say 6 years, $165M for ages 32-37, plus Langeliers, Pache, the 2 pitchers for 6 years, 1st 4 possibly well below market value.
Door B- Olson for 2 years, $28M..maybe an extension, let’s say 7 yrs, $150M for ages 28-35.

It is probably safe to say Olson will be better than Freeman during those 2 contracts.He’s younger & was a little better last year & 2019,with Freeman better in 2020. You’d also think less risk of falling off the cliff due to being 4 1/2 years younger. I do think Freeman is the type of all-around hitter unlikely to collapse, unlike Chris Davis, & he’s not a big guy like Miggy, Howard, etc..but, the risk is obviously there.

Assuming Pache’s issues don’t get better, the question is gonna be how much value does Langeliers provide? If he becomes a star catcher, this will likely end up a net loss for ATL. If he’s a stud, I’m not sure I wouldn’t want Langeliers plus slightly overpaying Freeman than just Olson.Then add in whatever the pitchers plus Pache provide..but, the key is Langeliers most likely.

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averagejoe15Member since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  PC1970

Probably safe to bet that if Freeman gets 6 years, $165m for ages 32-37 then Olson is getting a heck of a lot more dollars than $150m for 7 years from ages 28-35 on an extension.

PC1970Member since 2024
4 years ago
Reply to  averagejoe15

Remember Olson is still arb eligible for 2 more years & my understanding is this year is likely $12-13M. The thought was ATL buys him out of the 2 arb years & then 5 FA years.

In Olson’s view is he better to sign what I mentioned or if he went thru arb & got say $30M in arb for 2022-23, does he get more than 5 yrs $120M as a FA? If he keeps peforming, yes it is..but, there is the risk of injury, performance, etc in the next 2 years, too. The $7 yr $150 is a nice “middle ground” of getting paid now without the risk.

Maybe 7 yrs, $150M is still light. Maybe it should be 7 yr $160 or add another year?

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PC1970Member since 2024
4 years ago
Reply to  PC1970

8 yrs, $168M it is!

villapalomaresMember since 2016
4 years ago

Asking for a friend, since MTPS. What would the Yankees have had to send that would equal the return the A’s got from the Braves?

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  villapalomares

You start with Anthony Volpe then add a couple of more 45+ prospects.

Slappy McSlapperson
4 years ago

Contract signed already!

TheUncool
4 years ago

And just like that, Olson’s locked up as a Brave thru the rest of this decade…

jonah-prideMember since 2017
4 years ago
Reply to  TheUncool

Zips pretty much nailed the contract too

goodfieldnohit
4 years ago

Cristian Pache is looking like a Juan Lagares clone. .