Twins Improve, Reds Take a Step Back as Sonny Gray Heads to Minnesota

The Cincinnati Reds have been rumored to be interested in trading at least one of their top starters for over a year, with bits of buzz centered around Luis Castillo and Sonny Gray. Castillo remains in Cincinnati — at least for the moment — but Saturday, Gray was traded to the Minnesota Twins, one of a few weekend moves the Twins made. Heading to Cincy is Minnesota’s first round pick from last year, right-handed pitcher Chase Petty. A third player, A-ball reliever Francis Peguero also joins the Twins, but landing Gray was the fundamental purpose of this trade.
The reasons for the Twins’ sudden collapse in 2021 are varied, but the most pressing among them is obvious: the rotation. Minnesota’s starting pitchers combined to finish 25th in the league in WAR last season, with a 5.18 ERA and a 4.87 FIP. Even those marks kind of overstate the strength of the rotation given that the team no longer enjoys the services of José Berríos, who they traded to the Blue Jays last summer. Michael Pineda (and his 3.62 ERA over 21 starts) is a free agent, and Kenta Maeda’s September Tommy John surgery means that he won’t be pitching for most, if not all, of the 2022 season. Minnesota’s de facto ace, Dylan Bundy, is a pitcher coming off an ERA north of six; he significant missed time due to shoulder injuries and is taking a pay cut of more than half.
Suffice it to say, Minnesota’s lack of pitching, combined with a rapidly dwindling number of fixes in free agency, left them in a rather unenviable position even in one of baseball’s weakest divisions. Gray isn’t a true ace in the Gerrit Cole/Jacob deGrom vein, but he’s still a well-above-average starting pitcher who gave the Reds three seasons strong enough to largely erase the memory of his stint in New York. His 4.19 ERA and a 3.99 FIP in 2021 were a bit below the previous couple of seasons, but both ZiPS and Statcast’s x-stats think he was unlucky here. zHR is designed to be predictive and saw Gray as allowing three more homers last season than he actually earned from his velocity, angle, and direction data. Subtract those round-trippers out, and Gray’s 2021 looked a lot like his ’19 and ’20, though he did miss time due to injury. A sore back cost him a month of spring training and April games, and he lost another month due to a groin injury. Those maladies combined to limit him to 26 starts, most of the Five-Inning Special variety. Still, I’d take those injuries over a janky elbow or some nasty tear in the shoulder.
Peguero’s not considered a prospect of significance, though he did receive a brief mention on our 2021 Reds top prospect list. The breaking ball remains iffy, but he can punch out batters and has solid control, and he still throws fairly hard, so there’s nothing lost by sticking him at the back of a minor league bullpen and seeing what happens. The Twins have an organizational history of being interested in control-first pitchers who are otherwise unimpressive; pitchers like Joe Mays or Nick Blackburn provided real value for significant stretches in Minnesota. If Peguero is destined to ever make the majors, this is one of the more promising homes for him.
Minnesota’s need for pitching was crystal clear, and as a result, they likely get a larger benefit from adding Gray than most teams in baseball. Here’s what ZiPS projects for the right-hander:
| Year | W | L | S | ERA | G | GS | IP | H | ER | HR | BB | SO | ERA+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2022 | 10 | 7 | 0 | 3.50 | 27 | 27 | 141.3 | 116 | 55 | 14 | 55 | 147 | 123 | 3.0 |
| 2023 | 9 | 6 | 0 | 3.58 | 24 | 24 | 125.7 | 105 | 50 | 12 | 50 | 128 | 120 | 2.6 |
He likely pushes out some sub-replacement innings, but the main problem here is simply what Sonny Gray is not: a pitcher good enough to single-handedly make the Twins a threat to the White Sox. From fourth-place in the AL Central with 75 wins, ZiPS now projects Minnesota as the second-best team at just under 79 wins, a hair better than the Guardians. The 12.3% projected chance of a playoff appearance surges to just under 21%. And with the rotation still a weak point, even an underwhelming addition like Matthew Boyd would represent an improvement. These probabilities were calculated before the second trade with the New York Yankees. ZiPS thinks that, from a roster strength standpoint, that one is more or less a wash, more significant for the financial gains than direct wins.
But if Gray improves things in Minnesota, this trade falls well into the “depressing” column for Cincinnati. The offense has been up-and-down in recent seasons, but the Reds had one of the strongest rotations in the majors for a few years. Trevor Bauer’s gone (though that doesn’t look particularly unfortunate now), and so are Gray, Anthony DeSclafani, and Wade Miley. Both Castillo and Tyler Mahle are free agents after the 2023 season. While they could theoretically re-sign both pitchers, I’m not particularly bullish given that Miley was let go purely for financial reasons and Gray’s contract was very reasonable, with only $10 million guaranteed ($1 million more after the trade) and a $12 million team option. Note that team owner Robert Castellini was one of the four owners who didn’t want the CBT threshold to be increased at all in the recent CBA negotiations.
Unlike with the Miley dump, the Reds did at least get something in return for Gray. Eric Longenhagen and Tess Taruskin ranked Petty as Minnesota’s No. 14 prospect. There’s always something tantalizing about a teenager who hits 100 mph on the radar gun, but there are reasons for his relatively low position on our list:
We remain skeptical about Petty’s long-term chances to start due to the nature of his delivery and relative lack of physical projection. While he is very well-built and strong, the cement on his frame is closer to being dry than it is for most teenage prospects. It’s not like we’re hoping for more velocity here anyway — that piece of the puzzle is already in place — Petty just needs to prove he can sustain it as a starter throughout a whole pro season. He also needs to develop a changeup, which is probably more likely than him developing a second breaking ball, as it might be hard for him to get on top of a curveball from his current slot.
Put as directly as possible, Petty is fascinating, but he’s also a high school pitcher who has all of two professional games in the Florida Complex League. There are a lot of things that can happen to an interesting pitching prospect between rookie ball and the majors, and a lot of those things are bad. It’s nice to imagine him one day joining Hunter Greene in the big leagues, resulting in a rotation that has two pitchers who throw in the century range. But if both pitchers work out, Greene may very well be traded by the time Petty debuts at Great American.
There are reasons to like Petty, but the trade is disappointing because the Reds had a real chance to win right now, not just at some undefined point in the late 2020s when the team might have Petty. Since the COVID-shortened season, the Reds have shown little willingness to push to win and take control of a division with no first-tier teams. Last season’s 83-79 record was respectable, but Gray, Miley, and Nick Castellanos are all gone. Those three players alone combined for nearly 10 WAR in 2021, and there have been no comparable acquisitions to compensate. With this move, the ZiPS projection for Cincinnati’s divisional probability drops from 8.5% to 5.5%, while their playoff probability slumps from 25.2% to 16.1%.
This trade moved one team towards Wild Card contention and one team away from it. I assume if you’ve read this far, you know which team is which.
Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.
This move I love for Minnesota. Gray is not great, but, he’s decent & may perform better outside of the Great American bandbox. He should be a #3 starter, but, vast improvement for The Twins.
Petty is what he is- Hard thrower who is likely years away & a lottery ticket.
Heck, I wouldn’t be shocked that IF Gray pitched well while The Twins still scuffle that Minnesota couldn’t get a better return at the trade deadline than what they just gave up.
The Reds would have absolutely done better if they traded him at the deadline. Alas, that would mean paying him $5M for the first half of the season which apparently is backbreacking for the Castellinis…
The Reds are so bizarre (but not surprising). They should be buying, but instead, they’re selling. Calling this a light return for a ~3 win pitcher is an understatement.
Not a great start to the new CBA where “anti-tanking” was supposed to be one of the big things.
Is it more bizarre than what the Twins are doing? Losing Berrios (and Donaldson) and then trading a prospect for a three win pitcher that brings their projected win total up to…wow, 79 wins.
That’s assuming Minnesota is done adding to their team. Which I wouldn’t do considering they’re quite active.
Who could they add that would project them above the White Sox? Trout and Harper?
Projections be damned, I’m always happy to see teams go for it.
They don’t need to project better than the White Sox. They just need to project comfortably into Wild Card territory while having a chance at beating out the White Sox if things go right for them.
Really confused on what the Twins are doing. I like the Gray deal, but why make this trade when they follow it up by dumping Donaldson. I guess barring injury, they should be able to flip Gray at the deadline or next off-season season for a prospect or two better than Petty. Rumours are they cleared salary to possibly get Story, but considering the Twins history I’m pessimistic of that happening.
Yeah normally if you’re trying to pull a clear-salary-to-make-a-signing move, you make the signing first THEN clear the salary. Or at least have the signing damn near done before you announce the trade. Twins opening themselves up to a really bad outome here if things go poorly. And Gray isn’t that good. He’s a solid mid-rotation guy but is miscast as an ace of a competitive team. Depressing and odd trade from both points of view, same as the Twins-Yankees trade, although it will all be fine if the Twins indeed to net Story or Correa.
I think they needed to get Donaldson out there door as soon as the opportunity presented itself, and the second the season starts and he pulls his calf that window is gone. He is just too likely to be dead money for most of the season.
Now, getting a schlub back who is going to block Miranda in exchange is a downer.
Personally, I’ve come to the conclusion probably not a great idea to judge these moves one by one. Because no one here knows how the Twins will look for another couple of weeks. Maybe they’ll make another trade for Montas or Manea. Maybe they’ll sign Story. Maybe they’ll sign Correa. If they do these moves and then do nothing else, I’d certainly agree they deserve some criticism.
I think this a reasonable question but they gave up so little to get him. If Gray pitches well and the Twins aren’t going anywhere, they could very well flip him at the deadline for more than they gave up. This was a case where the value was so great that they kind of had to do it.
Eviscerate seems like kind of a strong word, doesn’t it? The Reds weren’t going anywhere this year anyway.
e·vis·cer·ate
disembowel (a person or animal).
deprive (something) of its essential content.
apparently losing a projected 2.5 wins deprives the Reds of their essential content. Keep the downvotes comin’!
The Reds won 83 games a year ago, and could have contended for a wild card again this year with even a moderate commitment to winning from the ownership and front office. This take is letting the Castellini family & Nick Krall off the hook. (Not to mention that the Reds also were criticized for failing to commit to winning last offseason, when adding a decent shortstop & not dumping R. Iglesias would have made even more of a difference to their playoff odds.)
Shocked that Gray was so cheap. Seems like the Reds always get less than expected in trades.
IIRC Petty has some very attractive pitch data, and the Reds are in on that kind of stuff. They think they’re getting a guy with star upside. I’m more interested in the fact that he’s so far away from the majors and he has so far to go, so the chances he even makes it to the major leagues aren’t overwhelming, and the chances he’s a star are awfully low.
Agreed. A 40+ for 2 years of a 3-win pitcher seems ridiculously low. I would think at least a 45 and a 40+ would be fair. Surprised a lot of teams wouldn’t offer more than this especially after Rodon got $44M for 2 years, which is double that due for Gray and that with a team option. Granted Rodon’s ceiling is significantly higher than Gray’s (who would have written that before 2021?), but his injury risk is much higher too.
I am usually the first top be skeptical of Twins moves, as a long time fan, but I like this one a lot. Gray is being pretty reasonably paid, even in spite of his injury issues, and they just aren’t going out and getting any pitchers who will move the needle in free agency. That rotation was laughable for a purported competitor without some additions, and it still could get ugly real fast if there is more than one injury.
I’m trying to figure out if they really intend Sanchez to catch, or if he’s likely to only be a Twin as long as IKF, or what…
I read that they have no intention of keeping him around. They certainly don’t have DH ABs to give him.
If I’m an NL team that whiffs on the obvious DH options Sanchez would be an interesting roll of the dice.
Probably more appropriate to another article, but you mention above the trade with the Yanks is probably a wash from a projection standpoint, but the ’22 ZIPS numbers show that to be a +3.4 for NY, for which they are paying.
In the sims, Donaldson misses a *lot* of playing time.
The Twins, depth-wise, were actually better suited for Donaldson’s presence thanks to Miranda.
Plus, the Twins had trouble, at least from current roster configuration, at getting as much value out of IKF.
(I really should try to clump all this into one reply)
I agree with Miranda in the wings that JD was a luxury at his salary. Being able to offload that contract on basically a wash in roster value is definitely a win in my book but only if they follow up using that money to fill out SS with either Story or Correa. Also still need another starter too. If they also can get Manea or Montas for a Met’s level prospect haul they can actually compete with the White Sox for the division this year imo.
And now they dump Winker to get rid of Suarez’s contract man Castellini is a joke.
Winker is a bit overrated and they got back Brandon Williamson, who looks fantastic. Plus a couple of post-prospects. They did fine there.
He crushes righties but fair he is bad defensively and vs lefties.