Buster Posey’s Baserunning Blues
Buster Posey hasn’t been quite himself this postseason. Through Wednesday’s game in Kansas City, he’s batted .288/.333/.288, which isn’t terrible but has included an un-Poseyish power outage. His batting line was better during the NLDS against Washington, which is ironic because most of the failures I’m about to talk about took place during that series.
My topic isn’t how Posey’s been getting on base. It’s what he’s been doing after getting on base: specifically, getting thrown out on the bases. During the four-game NLDS, Buster Posey got himself cut down four times. After a clean NLCS, he added an out at home in Game One of the World Series to push his postseason total this year to five.
Now, Posey isn’t anyone’s idea of a speed merchant. (Okay, maybe he’s David Ortiz‘s idea, or Billy Butler’s.) His Base Running score is consistently negative: -5.1 in 2012, -4.2 in ’13, -3.0 this year. Still, he knows enough to stay within his limited speed, and not try to do too much. He was thrown out on the bases just twice in 2012, and three times in 2013. That is to say, he’s been thrown out as many times in a dozen postseason games this year as he was over two entire regular seasons.
Has Posey suddenly started pushing too hard under the pressure of October ball? (If playoff experience means anything, the answer would be no, but recent studies suggest playoff experience may not mean anything.) Or is he the victim of bad luck and maybe some bad coaching?
I’ve broken down the five plays where Posey been put out on the bases. Along with the videos, I give the game situation as it would have been had Posey not gone for the extra base. I list Win Expectancy lost on the outs, the WE that would have been gained had he been safe, and the break-even percentage for the attempts. (My source for these numbers is the WPA Inquirer at FanGraphs’ sister site The Hardball Times.) Along with that, I boil down the play itself and give my wholly subjective opinion on how much of a TOOTBLAN Posey committed.
#1. NLDS Game One, Top 7th
Giants up 3, 1 out, Posey on 1st
WE Lost/Gain/BE%: -.008/+.004/66.7%
Summary: It was zero outs when Buster began running on this full-count hit-and-run, and was two outs by the time he reached second. His break wasn’t too good, but you expect that on hit-and-run plays. Even with that and his sub-par speed, he wasn’t out by much. We can blame the play call at least as much as the execution.
TOOTBLAN Rating: Medium-low.
#2. NLDS Game Two, Top 9th
Tied, 2 out, Posey on 3rd (Sandoval on 2nd)
WE Lost/Gain/BE%: -.139/+.330/29.6%
Summary: Pablo Sandoval’s double had driven in the tying run, and Posey would have put the Giants ahead. The odds were all in favor of going for it, even at adverse odds. The Nationals made two good throws, and still Posey nearly beat the play. No shame in this, unless you had plans for the night that didn’t involve an 18-inning baseball game.
TOOTBLAN Rating: Zero.
#3. NLDS Game Two, Top 14th
Tied, 2 out, Posey on 1st
WE Lost/Gain/BE%: -.060/+.038/61.2%
Summary: Posey took a chance that the ball was getting farther away from Wilson Ramos than it did. Maybe a catcher should be able to gauge his opposite number better than the average runner. The odds leaned toward some aggressiveness, but I think Buster was trying too hard here. Still, he made it close again.
TOOTBLAN Rating: Medium.
#4. NLDS Game Four, Bottom 7th
Giants up 1, 1 out, Posey on 3rd (Pence on 2nd advancing behind Posey; Sandoval walked to 1st)
WE Lost/Gain/BE%: -.070/+.056/55.6%
Summary: The current argument against the automatic intentional walk, right here. On a pitch that bounces to the screen, if you’ve got any wheels, you have to be going. His bad luck it bounced right back to Ramos. The lone case in opposition is that you don’t give the opposing pitcher an escape hatch when he’s coming apart on the mound. (Reliever Aaron Barrett had a bases-loading walk and another wild pitch before this bungled ball four.) Another bang-bang play, another out.
TOOTBLAN Rating: Very low.
#5. World Series Game One, Top 1st
Giants up 1, 1 out, Posey on 3rd (Sandoval on 2nd)
WE Lost/Gain/BE%: -.092/+.030/75.4%
Summary: Third-base coach Tim Flannery was obviously windmilling Posey home, and with the play behind him, Buster cannot be blamed much for following his command. It still looked bad to be thrown out by three strides, and Hunter Pence’s subsequent dinger meant it definitely cost the Giants. It was a questionable send with one out, but those questions go toward the guy giving the send sign.
TOOTBLAN Rating: Low.
So out of five plays where Posey got thrown out on the basepaths, only once does he merit a strong portion of blame. Three times, he did what a manager or coach wanted him to do. One time, he took a chance you just have to take if you’re not named Lurch or Big Papi. And for those not offended by results-based analysis, I will note that the Giants won all of those games. The total WE lost was -.369; the total games lost was 0.
Buster Posey’s been having a rocky postseason, but while his baserunning exploits have been a big factor in that, his baserunning judgment has been only a small factor. He’s been getting a little luck-whipped, and that happens. It is, though, fair to note that if he were just a wee bit faster, some of those outs could be bases taken and runs scored. Even if he’s largely not to blame, it might be time for Posey to look at himself, and maybe adjust his estimate of what he can do on the bases.
That, or give Tim Flannery a kick in the tush.
A writer for The Hardball Times, Shane has been writing about baseball and science fiction since 1997. His stories have been translated into French, Russian and Japanese, and he was nominated for the 2002 Hugo Award.
Between Posey getting gunned on the bases and Strickland giving up homers it’s amazing the Giants are even in the WS. With this kind of magic I can’t conceive the Giants not being favored to win it all.
Is Tim Flannery actually the worst 3B coach in baseball or does it only seem that way because I have to watch his mistakes so often?
Dale Sveum was pretty freaking awful in that role for the Red Sox. Come to think of it, the Royals stopped an early season skid this season when they took him out of that role to become the hitting coach.
I seem to recall reading articles on this very site discussing how 3B coaches in general are probably too conservative, that more runs are lost quietly by holding runners at 3rd than would be lost at the plate with more aggressive calls.
The problem, of course, is that when a guy gets nailed at home it’s very visible. But when an inning ends with a guy stranded on 3rd base we usually declare that the batter’s fault.
Hell no! The Flan Man is a great 3B coach.
“Hunter Pence‘s subsequent dinger meant [Posey’s out at home] definitely cost the Giants”. No. You cannot assume Pence would have hit the home run if Posey had stayed at third.
So to summarize: 1 time Posey made a poor decision, another time Flannery did, 1 time he got hung out to dry on a busted hit and run, and 2 times he tried to score when you really have to send ANY runner and it just didn’t work out.
Really not seeing much in the way of bad baserunning here. Just a guy with typical catcher speed running into some bad luck.
I believe that’s the point.
The Posey hagiography is unexplainable to me. He is below 800 OPS in the postseason over his career. He runs poorly. Good catcher, but there are ten guys like him in the majors. Maybe his clean cut image sells shirts. The Strickland affair is also taking Bochy down a couple of notches. Given his insistence with this guy, I think he had it coming. Yes, I am a Giants fan. So far nothing has really cost, but we don’t know what happens in the next week.
He also has the best career wRC+ of any catcher, ever (per the FG leaderboard). Although he beats piazza by only a point and in 1300 fewer games, I don’t think I’d complain about Buster Posey if I were a Giants fan.
Wow, I thought that must have been a mistake but it’s true. Granted, Piazza’s numbers include his decline phase (he was significantly better through ~600 games, which is where Posey’s at) but I didn’t realize that Posey was in that category with the bat.
Piazza also lived in a very different offensive environment. For the landscape in which he plays, Posey’s bat is a huge plus.
I’m a Giants fan too and I’m pretty sure complaining about Buster Posey is a violation of our creed. I am aghast that someone would say these vile things against this great American, a true hero to our people.
Really? Because looking at that list, he seems pretty damn special to me.
Hmmm… thought the link would be more obvious. Click on the “Really?” in my message for the list I was referring to.
“Good catcher”? Name 10 catchers in the majors as good as Posey?
Yuniesky Betancourt.
I assumed he meant defensively, as no rational person can claim that there are 10 catchers who are as good as him overall.
We generally take 500 PA to be the threshold of valid samples for OPS. Posey in the postseason has 190, or well under than half that. So why should we be judging him based on his postseason OPS?
If you mean defensively, yeah, there might be 10 other guys like him. He ranks 8th in DRS since becoming a full-timer in 2010 among catchers with at least 3000 innings. (StatCorner also has him as 64.3 runs above average with his framing in that time… Not quite Lucroyian, but one of the best in the game.) And, yeah, he’s a bad base-runner, 16th out of 21 catchers with at least 1500 PAs in that same time frame.
But he’s also far and away the best hitting catcher in baseball. Since 2010 his rank relative to other catchers:
AVG – 1st
OBP – 2nd (to Mauer, who isn’t a catcher anymore)
SLG – 2nd (to Napoli, who was barely a catcher in the first place)
wOBA – 1st
wRC+ – 1st (by a mile)
This is entirely arbitrary, but I recall having seen Buster thrown out another half dozen times in the couple of dozen giants games I attended this season. Does he think he is faster than he is? Or is he on base so much it just looks like hes out a lot?
How does his baserunning in the regular season compare?
So Posey gets thrown out in a quarter of games. Sounds like a reasonable sample, yeah, let’s say you’re right.
Posey was out
2010…2012…2014
World Series Champs 2x with a possibility of a third???
The constant has been Posey.
Don’t diss his bad luck base running, he is good, really good.
Go Giants!!! Posey might not possess great running skills, but hey, he makes a good catcher. 3 WS in 5 years, try to beat that.
Does anyone remember 2011? Buster’s ankle should barely be walked on, much less running in a baseball game, and forget the squatting a catcher does. My son calls him Buster Mosey, but give the athlete a break. The base running aside, the 4 “P”s (Panik, Posey, Panda and Pence) are gonna have to start making contact with the ball if we are gonna win the 3rd title in 5 years.
Does Buster hold the record for being thrown out more than any other player in post season play? or during regular season play for that matter?
To be fair, that record would mainly mean two things:
1. You are a slow runner
2. You get on base a ton more than the average player in the postseason
The second being more pivotal than the first, to be honest. I wouldn’t be surprised to know that somebody like Rickey Henderson got thrown out more than almost any player. The dude was just on the base on the time and running all the time. Probably not in the post-season though, which would likely go to someone with the most opportunities who played in the recent era of more playoff games.