Cleveland Guardians Top 42 Prospects

Below is an analysis of the prospects in the farm system of the Cleveland Guardians. Scouting reports were compiled with information provided by industry sources as well as my own observations. This is the fourth year we’re delineating between two anticipated relief roles, the abbreviations for which you’ll see in the “position” column below: MIRP for multi-inning relief pitchers, and SIRP for single-inning relief pitchers. The ETAs listed generally correspond to the year a player has to be added to the 40-man roster to avoid being made eligible for the Rule 5 draft. Manual adjustments are made where they seem appropriate, but we use that as a rule of thumb.
A quick overview of what FV (Future Value) means can be found here. A much deeper overview can be found here.
All of the ranked prospects below also appear on The Board, a resource the site offers featuring sortable scouting information for every organization. It has more details (and updated TrackMan data from various sources) than this article and integrates every team’s list so readers can compare prospects across farm systems. It can be found here.
| Rk | Name | Age | Highest Level | Position | ETA | FV |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Chase DeLauter | 22.5 | AA | RF | 2024 | 55 |
| 2 | Brayan Rocchio | 23.2 | MLB | SS | 2024 | 50 |
| 3 | Jaison Chourio | 18.9 | A | LF | 2027 | 45+ |
| 4 | Angel Genao | 19.9 | A | SS | 2027 | 45+ |
| 5 | Kyle Manzardo | 23.7 | AAA | 1B | 2024 | 45 |
| 6 | Ralphy Velazquez | 18.8 | R | 1B | 2028 | 45 |
| 7 | Juan Brito | 22.5 | AAA | 3B | 2025 | 45 |
| 8 | Angel Martínez | 22.2 | AAA | SS | 2024 | 45 |
| 9 | Welbyn Francisca | 17.9 | R | 2B | 2029 | 45 |
| 10 | Robert Arias | 17.6 | R | CF | 2030 | 45 |
| 11 | Parker Messick | 23.4 | A+ | SP | 2026 | 45 |
| 12 | Joey Cantillo | 24.3 | AAA | SP | 2024 | 40+ |
| 13 | Alex Clemmey | 18.7 | R | SIRP | 2028 | 40+ |
| 14 | Andrew Walters | 23.3 | R | SIRP | 2026 | 40+ |
| 15 | José Tena | 23.0 | MLB | 2B | 2024 | 40+ |
| 16 | Kahlil Watson | 21.0 | A+ | 2B | 2026 | 40+ |
| 17 | Rafael Ramirez Jr. | 18.7 | R | SS | 2028 | 40+ |
| 18 | George Valera | 23.4 | AAA | RF | 2024 | 40 |
| 19 | Petey Halpin | 21.9 | AA | CF | 2025 | 40 |
| 20 | Dayan Frias | 21.8 | A+ | SS | 2026 | 40 |
| 21 | Will Dion | 24.0 | AAA | SP | 2025 | 40 |
| 22 | Jackson Humphries | 19.7 | A | SP | 2027 | 40 |
| 23 | Jacob Zibin | 19.2 | R | SP | 2027 | 40 |
| 24 | Alex Mooney | 21.7 | A | SS | 2026 | 40 |
| 25 | Cooper Ingle | 22.1 | A+ | C | 2027 | 40 |
| 26 | Franco Aleman | 23.8 | AAA | SIRP | 2025 | 40 |
| 27 | Cade Smith | 24.9 | MLB | SIRP | 2025 | 40 |
| 28 | Joe Lampe | 23.3 | A+ | CF | 2027 | 40 |
| 29 | Justin Campbell | 23.1 | R | SP | 2026 | 35+ |
| 30 | Johnathan Rodriguez | 24.4 | AAA | RF | 2024 | 35+ |
| 31 | Jake Fox | 21.1 | A+ | CF | 2026 | 35+ |
| 32 | Jose Devers | 20.9 | A | SS | 2027 | 35+ |
| 33 | Hunter Stanley | 26.4 | AAA | SP | 2025 | 35+ |
| 34 | Doug Nikhazy | 24.6 | AA | MIRP | 2025 | 35+ |
| 35 | Jhonkensy Noel | 22.7 | AAA | 1B | 2024 | 35+ |
| 36 | Jake Miller | 23.7 | A+ | SIRP | 2025 | 35+ |
| 37 | Daniel Espino | 23.2 | AA | SIRP | 2026 | 35+ |
| 38 | Maick Collado | 21.3 | A | 1B | 2027 | 35+ |
| 39 | Nate Furman | 22.7 | A+ | 2B | 2027 | 35+ |
| 40 | Christian Knapczyk | 22.3 | R | 2B | 2026 | 35+ |
| 41 | Tyler Thornton | 23.7 | AA | SIRP | 2025 | 35+ |
| 42 | Davis Sharpe | 24.2 | AA | SIRP | 2025 | 35+ |
Other Prospects of Note
Grouped by type and listed in order of preference within each category.
More Little Guys From Rookie Ball
Pedro Dalmagro, C
Esteban Gonzalez, OF
Reyden Hidalgo, INF
Jonathan Martinez, INF
Juan Frances, OF
The Guardians have a glut of players like this up and down their system, smaller hitters with contact skills and limited physical projection. Their ceiling tends to look like Tyler Freeman or Brayan Rocchio. Dalmagro, 18, had a strong pro debut in the 2023 DSL, where he hit .361/.425/.528. He’s little and needs to catch much more before we can say whether he’ll be able to perform amid the physical toll of playing the position, but he’s a loose athlete with good strength for his size. Gonzalez is the only complex-level hitter from last year in this group. He’s a compact 5-foot-8 and swings really hard. He hit well in his second ACL stint; let’s see how he does in full-season ball. Hidalgo had maybe the most traditional-looking frame/athleticism from last year’s DSL group, but he was repeating the level for the second time. Martinez was the youngest player in the D.R. and posted an above-average wRC+. Frances’ surface stats were terrible, but he’s an incredible athlete who can really swing despite his size, and his underlying contact data is special.
Let’s Check in on Some Famous Names
Lenny Torres Jr., RHP
Ethan Hankins, RHP
Nic Enright, RHP
Jack Leftwich, RHP
Trenton Denholm, RHP
Mason Hickman, RHP
Tommy Mace, RHP
Tanner Burns, RHP
Steve Hajjar, LHP
Torres had a velo rebound last year and was sitting 97-99 mph for me this spring, but the pitch plays down considerably despite its velocity and Lenny is going to need to take a slider-heavy approach. Hankins, a famous high school draftee, sat 94 last year across a little more than a half season of starts. He’s had trouble finding a second impact pitch and/or good command. Enright is a pretty standard 93-94 mph fastball/above-average slider guy who should perform at Triple-A. Leftwich (Florida) has a good fastball and could be an up/down reliever on the strength of that, but he’ll need to find a second weapon to stick around. Denholm had a velo spike after he was drafted but has tapered off into the low-90s again. Hickman (Vanderbilt), Mace (Florida), Burns (Auburn), and Hajjar (Michigan) were big time college starters who have slipped into upper-level relief roles as pros.
Injured
Nick Mikolajchak, RHP
Andrew Misiaszek, RHP
Both of these guys looked like fast-moving relievers at one point (especially Mikolajchak, who was 94-97 with a plus slider at peak), but they’ve each been hurt for multiple seasons now.
Guardians Prospects With Power Projection?
Yanki Baptiste, OF
Yerlin Luis, OF
Jose Pirela, OF
Luis Merejo, OF
Guardians prospects with power projection! This is a bigger-framed group who might grow into meaningful power as they mature and all have enough hit tool risk to be kept off the main section of the list. Baptiste has huge juice and an extreme uppercut swing that might not be sustainable. Luis had a stronger grade last year when he was thought of as more of a well-rounded offensive player, but whiff issues cropped up and he belongs more in this area now. Pirela’s on-paper performance in 2023 was incredible, but I don’t believe in his swing, which is stiff and choppy. Merejo is more physically mature and relatively unremarkable from a athletic standpoint.
A Grab Bag of Hitters Who Almost Made the Cut
Wuilfredo Antunez, CF
Juan Benjamin, 2B
Jeffrey Mercedes, 1B
Bryan Lavastida, C
Antunez hits the ball hard for his size, but he’s a stretch in center field and isn’t as physically projectable as a typical corner outfield prospect. Benjamin is a 2B/3B type with a shot for a 50 bat and 40 power; Mercedes is a version of that more likely to play first base. Both of those guys are good upper-level org sticks who have a shot to make it as 40s. Lavastida fell off the 40-man roster, but he’s athletic enough and has enough pop to consider him a good upper-level depth option.
Older Pitchers
Trey Benton, RHP
Ryan Webb, LHP
Zach Jacobs, RHP
Zane Morehouse, RHP
Shawn Rapp, LHP
Adam Tulloch, LHP
Benton, 25, sits 94-95 and has two above-average breaking balls, but he walked more than 5/9 IP last year. Webb, 24, had a good 2023 season as a starter at High-A and pitched in Cleveland’s Prospect Breakout game, where he sat 91-94 and flashed an average braking ball and changeup. His arm swing is kind of long, but he otherwise has a depth starter look. Jacobs is a version of that except a year behind. He sits about 90 (with carry), and has good natural breaking ball shape and starter-quality control. The rest of this group has one great pitch and needs to develop other stuff. Morehouse was 93-95 with natural cut for me this spring. Rapp and Tulloch have great lefty sliders.
Younger Arms
Jacob Bresnahan, LHP
Jogly Garcia, RHP
Kendeglys Virguez, RHP
Bresnahan is a very projectable lefty with a good-looking arm action who signed for $375,000 last year rather than go to Oregon. Garcia is an athletic, medium-framed righty with a good slider. Virguez is a hard-throwing, wild 19-year-old who I’ve seen up to 96.
System Overview
This system is down a little right now, in part because so many pitchers in the big league rotation were prospects last year and recently graduated. The Guardians have a plan and they execute it. They love contact-oriented amateur players in the draft, and they go to great lengths to try to track bat-to-ball data in the international space too. Sometimes their system feels monochromatic and like the org overestimates the rate at which these types of players have big-ceiling actualization. For every José Ramírez and Mookie Betts, there are a million Myles Straws and Ernie Clements. When you don’t fish in the toolsy pond at all, and even go so far as to trade away guys like Junior Caminero, Nolan Jones and Will Benson, you’re left with an offense like Cleveland has had the last couple of seasons, which included a playoff lineup that had Oscar Gonzalez at the heart of it. There needs to be some reflection here, if not an explicit shift in philosophy, because the org is clearly very good at many aspects of scouting and dev but can’t quite attain true contender status, in part because they’re seemingly always on the Nate Furman types and not the Christian Encarnacion-Strands.
In the case of Chase DeLauter, the Guardians landed a middle-of-the-order bat because DeLauter didn’t have a great pre-draft spring and fell in their lap. This is another Guardians signature: buy low. Players whose stock was super high early in the scouting process but fell closer to the draft end up in Cleveland. Hankins was that and Shane Bieber was that, with guys you’ve never heard of like Andrew Calica included in that mix. This, plus Cleveland’s tendency to target younger draft prospects, speaks to the use of a model in the draft room. They have the first pick in a pretty bad draft and it will be fascinating to see how this org, which doesn’t send scouts to watch college games in person until very late in the year, approaches things given that they’re not used to picking near the top and the talent of this year’s group is down.
Eric Longenhagen is from Catasauqua, PA and currently lives in Tempe, AZ. He spent four years working for the Phillies Triple-A affiliate, two with Baseball Info Solutions and two contributing to prospect coverage at ESPN.com. Previous work can also be found at Sports On Earth, CrashburnAlley and Prospect Insider.
I’ll admit, Rocchio has been better than I expected in the early going. More disciplined, making good contact. He’s even done some good plays at short. Still think he’s more of a 2B, but I was expecting him to flail and fail immediately.
Not really sure what to think on Manzardo. His numbers and what I can see from his games indicate a high-value hitter, but I do trust Eric’s decision on his zone contact (still think he should be a 45+ and not a 45). I wonder if he might end up trading a bit of contact for pull-side power, as he did last season after injury. He knew he couldn’t get his usual swing on and started trying to drive the ball to the pull side when he could. He was back to the contact game in spring training. I could see it going both ways.
Starting to think Cade Smith might become more like Trevor Stephan. His addition of a splitter has changed his outlook. Statcast sees it as having plus movement (even moreso than Stephan’s so far) and it looked pretty intimidating in ST, both as a swing-and-miss option and as a way to generate more ground-ball contact. He’s also throwing it more than his slider. That’s big for us, losing Stephan for the year sucked.
God, Espino’s spiral is depressing.
I can do no more than repeat your mention of Espino and say that seeing him where he is on this list is depressing. It reminds me of another super-prospect who we have been robbed of watching by the fickle finger of fate. I speak of Anderson Espinoza who, several years ago, while still in the Red Sox organization, was being projected to have everything needed to be a star. I have been a fan of baseball for a long, long time and, as I reminisce, perhaps watching potential star pitchers have their arms fall off has been as disappointing as anything. In the backdrop of baseball it has meant more than the normal ups and downs that go along with being a fan. The name Karl Spooner may not mean anything to most here but in late September of 1954 he came up and threw back to back shutouts while allowing 7 hits and striking out 27. This was 1954 and 27 K’s was beyond comprehension, then his arm fell off. He struggled through 1955 then had to quit. Many more have come and gone since then and whether it was a brief shooting star like Karl Spooner or a transcendent superstar like Stephen Strasburg each one takes a little bit out of the game.
I no more than submitted this comment when I went to MLB and saw that Eury Perez is headed for TJ surgery which does not help raise my spirits.
Nooooo! I love Eury!!!
Worse, it brings flashbacks of Adam Miller.
It’s unfortunate that these guys still aren’t being promoted to the majors more aggressively. Maybe Espino still had some kinks to work out but I’m pretty sure his 16.2 K/9 and 2.9 BB/9 as a 20-yo in A+ would’ve played in the MLB.
Same with Sixto. He wasn’t as good but he was pretty good in his 2020 debut and likely would’ve been solid in his age 20 2019 season when he ran an 8.5 K/9 and 1.7 BB/9 in AA.
Painter only has a torn UCL fortunately and not shoulder problems but he’s gonna end up missing 2 seasons and would’ve been pretty great probably in 2022 when he ran a 16.1 K/9 vs 3.7 BB/9 in A, 12 K/9 1.7 BB/9 at A+, and 11.8 K/9 .6 BB/9 at AA. Hopefully he recovers well.
If I was an MLB GM I’d be promoting these guys even in their late teens and early 20’s & even if they aren’t that fully developed as even swingmen/RP’s/piggyback SPs b/c their early to mid 20’s aren’t guaranteed.
Sometimes they are. Garrett Crochet was sent straight to MLB and got injured almost as fast. He’s looking better now, but with a big shift in velocity and pitching motion. Sometimes all you can do is throw up your hands.
The idea isn’t to lower injury risk it’s just to get as much out of them as possible even if it’s only at 70% of what a healthy peak might look like. Crochet might be a mid rotation arm now that he’s healthy but even if he never came back they would’ve at least gotten a good relief season.
Also what’s the deal w/ his 2020 xFIP? He had a 12 K/9 36.4 K% and no walks or HRs and a 61.5 GB%. 1 HBP. His FIP was 1.02 and his xFIP was 2.63. Why was is so much higher w/ such elite K and BB numbers and such a high GB%?
I think the bigeest thing they need to do is look at how they evaluate hitters internally.
Trading away Nolan Jones, Yandy Diaz, Yainer Diaz, Junior Caminero, Will Benson, with the returns being shaky on all 5.
Add those guys to Jose Ramirez, Gimenez & the Naylor’s & you have the corners/DH filled with solid bats, both left & right…Then if you think Caminero or Ramirez can handle 2B, that spot is filled, too, with Gimenez moving to SS.
Keep those players, add it to their pitching & they’re easily AL Central favorites for the next 2-3 years.
Feels like they had the pieces assembled in front of them & have let it slip away. Would be frustrated as heck if I was a Cleveland fan.
Don’t worry, we absolutely are =D
Also, moving Kwan to Center Field. Where he would be if we had any good corner options.
A lot of these trades sort of made sense at the time, and everyone loses trades. But the Nolan Jones one looked crazy at the time and now it looks like Brito is going to be a worse defender than Jones. He’s going to have to rake to make that one look good.
Lots of Cleveland fans criticize the FO for those trades. But I disagree.
Not one of those 5 players was a top prospect when they were traded away.
Yainer Diaz was a 35+.
Caminero was a 40.
Jones had been dropped to a 45.
Benson I’d have to go back and check on but I believe he was still ungraded.
And Yandy was a 27 year old who kept hitting the ball really hard. Right into the ground.
It’s easy to criticize in hindsight. And particularly when the offense has been so bad. But if they missed on these prospects, then so did Eric and other evaluators.
I disagree with your disagreement, lol. While there was limited analysis of some of the prospects here, complete misses were rare.
Diaz was unranked, but because there wasn’t much of a sample size (he was noted by Eric for exactly that, but there was upside that he noted). He was running a 122 wRC+ at A-ball and had the defensive profile and lack of swing-and-miss that made him attractive to Houston. All the signs were there, and trading him wasn’t necessary at that point.
Caminero was also unranked due to a lack of playing time, but his DSL showing was impressive and he was already noted for his explosive power-speed combo. He was given no time to develop in our system before he got sent away. I don’t know if you can qualify that as a “miss” given there was so little information, but it was a hasty and fairly pointless trade even at the time.
Jones’ drop to a 45 is a fair point, but his strikeout concerns were massively overblown. People were comparing him to Zimmer, when Jones’ worst Minor League swinging strike rate was lower than Zimmer’s best SwStrk at any level. Ludicrous at the time and in hindsight. He was mostly traded because we have Jose Ramirez at his primary position.
Benson was a miss. I will give you that one.
Yandy, though? He didn’t get consistent time in the Majors. Not even half a season worth of games, and he’d hit a 118 wRC+ in the Majors in 2018 (limited sample, yes, but the positive signs were again obvious). And trading him for Bauers was always a dumb trade unless Bauers hit his ceiling. Diaz had a higher floor and filled more areas of need for us. It was, again, a trade made because Jose Ramirez played his primary position, and done at a time where we were trying to contend. That was always a mistake.
I mean, all prospects have potential. Otherwise they wouldn’t be prospects. But you’re trying to put the best possible spin on this.
Eric rated Diaz as a 58th best prospect traded at the 2021 trade deadline (out of 75 prospects traded). He was a no one. Not one Cleveland fan cared about his being traded away.
Caminero had talent but as you noted he was 18 years old and far from the majors. The range of possible outcomes at that point are enormous for a player. He got traded for Tobias Myers, a high-level pitching prospect (which Cleveland desperately needed at the time) who like Caminero had a 40 grade. I remember Cleveland fans at the time were excited to see what Myers would do. Myers was 22 years old, coming off a split AA/AAA season where he stuck out 11.2/9 while only walking 2.1 (albeit with a high home run rate). Unfortunately, he hurt his arm before pitching for Cleveland and was never the same again. Meanwhile. we still have no idea what Caminero will do in the majors.
Jones vs Brito was a fairly even trade. It can be critized based on postion need. Still far to early to judge how that one will turn out.
Benson had stuggled for years in the minors. And like Jones, we still don’t know what his full career will look like.
Jake Bauers, who they got back for Yandy, looked like a potenial future star. He was a former top 100 prospect who hit .252/.368/.496 in the first half of his rookie year while running a 23/33 BB/K rate. Unfortunately he never played like that again. But the trade for Diaz was completely fair at the time.
BTW,, one last comment on this.
The Benson and Caminero trades were so minor they didn’t get written up by Fangraphs.
The Jones/Brito trade was so minor it only got written up in David’s Sunday column.
The Yainer Diaz trade was so minor it got lumped in with several other deadline trades. With 90% of the writeup focusing on Straw and Maton and only about 10% on Diaz.
The only one of these trades that was worth an extensive writeup was Diaz-Bauers. And everyone, including EomADS ,was absolutely fine with what Cleveland getting Bauers back in exchange for Diaz.
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/winter-meetings-end-with-a-three-way-trade-from-the-hospital/
REALLY don’t appreciate you putting words in my mouth when the only comment I made on the piece was about Carlos Santana and that Bauers was theoretical improvement. Those were my exact words. In other words, that if he hit his ceiling, he might be better than Yandy Diaz.
Trying to equate the performance of Fangraphs commenters and Professional MLB GMs is an apples to oranges comparison.
Hmmm….above you called the Diaz-Bauers trade a dumb trade. Making it sound like that’s how you felt about the trade AT THE TIME.
But the evidence suggests otherwise. You wrote over 100 words at the time of the trade. You definitely didn’t call it a dumb trade. In fact…you didn’t mention Diaz even once in all of those 100 words. Nothing, Nada. Zilch.
And this claim of yours “Those were my exact words. In other words, that if he hit his ceiling, he might be better than Yandy Diaz.” is simply false. There’s zero evidence, based on what you wrote at the time of the trade, that you felt that way. Your comment makes no mention of Bauers needing to hit his ceiling to reach Diaz’ level.
Again, this is the sort of retrospective analysis that I’m pushing back against here.
And let’s talk about this part of your comment: “Trying to equate the performance of Fangraphs commenters and Professional MLB GMs is an apples to oranges comparison.”
Where did I say anything that even comes close to that? Talk about putting words in someone’s mouth…
I expect multimillion dollar front offices to outperform staff writers on an internet website. No offense to Eric who I think is a pretty great prospect evaluator and baseball writer, but the modus operandi of teams like the Dodgers, Astros, and Rays has been recognizing that certain guys are much better than Eric and other FO’s (including Cleveland’s) realize and aren’t actually 35+ and 40 FV guys and are maybe future stars.
As such referencing FG FV grades and prospect rankings isn’t a good argument. It just shows that Cleveland barely knows more than prospect evaluators who don’t have access to MLB resources.
Also the Yandy Diaz/Jake Bauers trade was obviously bad.
Bauers had little power and wasn’t that good of a hitter even in the minors.
He ran a 132 WRC+ and .146 ISO w/ 14 HRs in 2016 (AA). 120 WRC+ .148 ISO w/ 13 HRs in 2017 (AAA). 124 WRC+ and .147 ISO in AAA and 97 WRC+ and .183 ISO in MLB w/ 16 HRs. He had an 87.6 average EV and 110.0 max EV. BBs vs Ks got much worse as he progressed. Incredibly uninteresting player.
People thought he was a future star for the same reason they preferred him and Dominic Smith over Rhys Hoskins and Pete Alonso, b/c they don’t have a super strong understanding of what makes a good MLB hitter and how important power is. Also maybe hangover from early 2010’s low power era.
Yandy Diaz meanwhile also had little power but had way better BB vs K rates, minors performances, and EVs. 143 WRC+ at AA 2015, 144 WRC+at AA 2016, 149 WRC+ at AAA 2016, 163 WRC+ at AAA 2017, 131 WRC+ at AAA 2018. 97 WRC+ in MLB like Bauers but underperformed xOBA by ~20 points and 91.5 average exit velo and 112.8 max EV. Also better defense and versatility.
We’ll see how the Benson trade plays out but he absolutely hadn’t struggled for years in the minors.
He ran a 147 WRC+ in A- 2017
102 WRC+ A 2018
172 WRC+ A and 75 WRC+ A+ 2019
131 WRC+ AA and 61 WRC+ AAA 2021
153 WRC+ AAA and 35 WRC+ in 61 PAs MLB 2022
Then traded. His minor league season immediately before being traded was a 153 WRC+, .244 ISO, 18.7 BB% vs 22.7 K%, 17 HRs in 401 PAs at age 24 in AAA while halving his swinging strike rate. He’d also shown a consistent trend of struggling at each lvl before adjusting and excelling.
We’ll see how that trade turns out but they lost a promising player in Benson.
While I understand that, maybe I should have added how they develop hitters, too?
They’re clearly not maximizing the hitting talent in the minors & it’s a bad look when you keep trading guys & they break out under different development teams.
It’s one thing to have that happen with Diaz & Caminero in TB (Though Caminero was 18 years old & had only played in the DSL, so you need to take his 40 ranking with a HUGE grain of salt), which has picked off a # of team…but, when Colorado & Cincinnati, which are not noted as progressive orgs, are unlocking potential that you couldn’t, it may be time to evaluate things.
Yeah, that’s the thing. There seems to be this mentality that, had Cleveland held on to those players, they would have had the exact same career. We have no way of knowing that.
Then the problem is the hitting developmental system, not the unformed clay
Cleveland should have better information than those other evaluators though, correct?
And frankly, the standard for FO competence needs to be higher than “the general consensus”. If that were sufficient, what’s the FO value add?
But that makes it sound like they’ve never won a trade. They clearly won the Kluber-Clase trade. They clearly won the Clevinger trade (which was widely panned at the time). And I’d argue that they won the Lindor trade as well, given what they got back for a single year of control for Lindor. They may very well win the Civale-Manzardo trade and some others as well.
Pretty much every front office will look bad if you only focus on their losses.
Sure. I was mostly commenting on ‘Eric and the other evaluators missed on them too’ defense, as I don’t find that super compelling.
The Cleveland org has a sterling reputation when it comes to identifying and developing pitchers. Their reputation when it comes to hitters is almost the complete opposite.
Fairly or unfairly, this leads to confirmation bias when it comes to evaluating the outcomes of their decisions.
When JD Martinez became an absolute stud after the Astros cut him…the Astros took a look at themselves and tried to figure out why they’d failed him.
(Hinch obviously hasn’t been nearly as successful, as castoffs go…because he drank his success from a trashcan named Alex Cora).
Doesn’t really seem like Cleveland has the same stomach for self-examination.
That’s exactly the point though, being able to identify which prospects in your system will make it. Identifying the top ranked guys is easy, because they’re the top ranked guys.
its knowing, hey Gunnar Henderson might be a 50 FV now, but we feel he could jump to a60-65 FV w more development
It’s the same thing as the Cardinals trading away all those pitching prospects like Gallen and Alcantara a few years back (plus Arozorena). As you say they had the team there but threw it away.
If Kyle Manzardo’s MLB The Show card this year is anything to go by, he’s going to be a crazy power hitter once he hits the majors. IIRC Garrett Crochet had a ridiculous pitching future stars card a few years ago, and now he’s running a 31% K-BB. So clearly they have some predictive power.
As a Guardians fan, I like the way you think!
Given Cleveland’s ability to develop pitchers, I wonder if they should stop taking them so high in the draft. Between Espino, Hankins, Torres, and Campbell, you have four 1st and 2nd round draft choices whose careers have been seriously derailed by injuries. It’s possible that not one of them ever makes the majors.
Pitchers get injured.
More than position players.
And since Cleveland hasn’t been extending the best, they need the numbers in the pipeline.
Also, don’t forget that the rate of successful prospects having even a five year career is around 20% and 70% of the top 100 fail to make the majors at all.
There are (old) reports that about 70% of the top 100 prospects fail, with position players doing a bit better than pitchers: about 60% of top 20 position players make it to the majors while 40% of top 20 pitchers get to.the majors.
Staying there is another story.
Espino is in that “his stuff popped and now he can’t stay healthy” bucket. I know it’s all anecdotal, but every time I hear someone has a big uptick in stuff I start a little timer in my head, waiting to see how long it will be before they fall apart.
Saw something earlier this year in The Athletic that Espino was completely ripped. That he had biceps the size of cantaloupes. I wonder if that was part of the problem.
And now Eury Perez!
Good deep dive into the system. Even with about 70+ prospects mentioned, I miss some and wonder why they’re not mentioned.
A trio of C:
R. Lopez: IFA pedigree and performed in A Ball
K. Huff: trade return for Quantrill and won C of the year in A Ball
C. Izturis: another IFA pedigree who did ok as very young/age in CPX
Others:
CF Guy Lipscomb: plus plus speed and size for looming power, also small school background and performed.
1B/OF Kayfus: 3rd rd pick last year, ACC performer, continued crushing after draft
LF/1B A. Bracho: once a top prospect in this system, had a power breakout in AA at age 22
RP Magnus Ellerts: 80 grade name and a very underrated RP prospect, chance at plus FB/SL combo
This is a good realistic list.
DeLauter looks like the real deal, despite his odd looking swing. It’s gonna play. Oh and he did have a great pre draft spring statistically, it’s just that he got injured. Should have never fallen from potential 1st overall to late teens. Got lucky.
Rocchio just needs confidence. He reminds me so much of A. Gimenez 2-3 years ago. They should eventually swith positions, but this is the long term MIF combo.
Manzardo eval is a bit off from what I’ve seen. He has more than 45 power, a lot more. But he’s got too much swing and miss for a 60 hit. I actually think it’s closer to 55/55 or even 50/55
Thanks for the Collado report. Spot on, very underrated bat in the system. A bit of Brito in there.
Noel is a flawed bat and may not make it, but 40 hit, 60 power usually plays up in MLB. Needs to get smarter with pitch selection. He might run out of time in this org, got added too soon maybe. But I still (want to) believe in this Santa (ha!).
Furman: 70 hit, 70 speed, 70 bat control. I don’t care the overall grade. Those profiles will play in MLB (Kwan says hello).
Ingle with 70/70 pitch selection/bat control? Again, this plays, like anywhere. Might be unicorn Arraez/Kwan territory, but it plays (if accurate).
Fox is still underrated. Power improved with every level up despite being very young for level. Gets a bad reps for being too passive, but a 35 pitch selection? Some thing’s off here. If he has a 50 hit, 60 speed, 60 CF defense baseline (which I believe is accurate), then I’m convinced he’ll develop enough power to play CF in MLB. I like his chances better than Halpin’s.
It’s rare Eric is more optimistic on a CLE prospect than I am, but I don’t see it with Messick yet. He’s closer to Nikhazy than L. Allen for me. Somewhere in between in terms of value. Definitely behind Cantillo, Dion and Clemmey for me.
As for the summary, it’s only one week, but CLE is showing the league how you can score and win with a lineup full of pesky hitters that are tough outs. Vogt and the new coaching staff are finally playing them to their strengths and not stubbornly try to fit them into roles and lineup spots like Tito did.
Add DeLauter, Brito and Manzardo oomph to that base and this young lineup gonna continue to mash.
100% agree on Messick. I can’t imagine any team would take him over Clemmey if given the choice.
I’m unclear on why DeLauter’s hit tool is only 55. With his zone contact, low strikeouts and strong exit velocity data, all would suggest a higher grade; does the awkward swing really cap it that much?
Would you rather have Chase Delauter or Heston Kjerstad?
I whiffed on Francisco Lindor because I saw him in AA and AAA and just didn’t see the power ever showing up in-game. And then it did.
I’m not going to make the same mistake on Angel Genao. I see him breaking out in a big way this year at the plate, but people will doubt the power, and it won’t come for another couple of years, and then it will.
I watched Lindor play several games in Double-A and saw just what you mentioned. I recall saying that I would have taken a bet that he would never hit 30 HR’s in his career, much less in one season, and now 4 different seasons. At the same time I will take a victory lap when it comes to Betts. whose bat speed was obvious to anyone with any sight whatsoever. Genao is listed at 5’9″/150 on MiLB but 6’0″/165 by Eric which changes the equation dramatically.
For sure. Baseball America also has him at 5’9 / 150 in their profile header, but inside their blurb it says he’s now 6 feet even. So – the growth spurt explains the torn meniscus last year 🙂
I really like his bat-to-ball skills. He’s a fun one to watch.
I will be making it a point to catch him when he gets to Akron and the Rubber Ducks come to Hartford.
I was CRAZY high on Lindor…because I thought he could be a .280 hitting version of Jeter on offense.
Never saw him hitting 20 HR in a season.
Where are the rest of the top prospect articles?
Why does Manzardo have equal power grades to Rocchio?
A) I love Eric’s work, and everything he brings to the site.
B) If you want to genuinely cackle, read this year’s writeup on Angel Genoa, read last year’s writeup on Jasson Dominguez…and then look at their respective birthdays.
If Genoa treads water this year and doesn’t make it to AA…I’ll be shocked if Eric doesn’t (correctly!) mention the importance of patience with young switch hitters in next year’s write up.
Espino’s injuries just feel like a different level of tragic.
If the news continues to be negative in the next year, I think that a long-form reflection piece would be extremely important. We aren’t talking about a run-of-the-mill pitching prospect, if you had a guarantee he would be healthy, I think he would be among the best pitchers in the entire sport. It’s freakish stuff. It’s so freakish, I just hope he stays in baseball, no matter how long it takes.
I still think Valera’s going to mash. He’s been young for his level at each stop and hit well at every level before last year. His plate discipline was still roughly the same he just didn’t hit for power but that’s pretty much par for the course for anyone coming off a hamate bone injury. The injuries are a bit of a concern but something like a hamstring rarely alters someone’s career.
I think the issue with the injuries is less about his body being capable and more about how much developmental time he’s missed the last few years. Instead of growing he’s been constantly rehabbing. It’s tough to progress as a prospect when you can’t consistently play in games