Can the 2026 Mets Be Salvaged?

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With big expectations entering the season, the New York Mets got off to a reasonably solid start; through their first 11 games, they had a 7-4 record and a half-game lead in the NL East. Since then, though, things have gone… less well. And after getting swept by the Chicago Cubs over the weekend, the team is now sitting on an 11-game losing streak, a skid that has dropped them into last place in the NL East, a full 8 1/2 games behind the Atlanta Braves. So, just how doomed are the Mets?

While you can’t win a pennant in April, you can certainly lose one. As my colleague Jay Jaffe noted last week, when the Mets’ losing streak stood at a mere eight games, the offense bears a large share of the blame. They’ve scored just 19 runs since the streak began, and have managed even three runs in just two of those games. The Royals, the next-worst offense over their last 11 games, have scored more than 50% more runs than the Mets (31 to 19), and considering they’re 2-9 over that stretch, it’s not like they’re cruising either. The loss of Juan Soto to a strained calf muscle is significant, but it’s hard to pin the team’s offensive woes solely on that. Their 1.7 runs per game is about three runs off both the 4.7 they scored last year and what ZiPS projected for this year, and no hitter in history has made that big of a difference.

After crunching the up-to-date NL East ZiPS standings, you can see a significant contrast from the preseason projections:

ZiPS Projected Standings – NL East (4/21)
Team W L GB Pct Div% WC% Playoff% WS Win% 80th 20th
Atlanta Braves 88 74 .543 40.4% 21.3% 61.7% 4.2% 95.9 79.6
Philadelphia Phillies 86 76 2 .531 31.9% 23.1% 55.0% 5.8% 94.1 78.5
New York Mets 84 78 4 .519 20.7% 22.2% 42.9% 3.4% 91.0 76.2
Miami Marlins 76 86 12 .469 6.9% 12.0% 18.9% 0.6% 85.0 69.3
Washington Nationals 64 98 24 .395 0.1% 0.4% 0.6% 0.0% 71.5 56.5

Forecast to finish second in the division, the Mets and Braves have flipped spots in the projections over the first three weeks of the season. If you squint, there’s at least a tiny bit of good news, in that the projections don’t think that the Mets have sealed their fate quite yet. Coming back to win the division is more than merely theoretical, and they’re still nearly a coin flip to make the playoffs. In a million simulations of the rest of the 2026 season, a team with 85 or fewer wins grabbed the final Wild Card spot 47% of the time. A Wild Card series isn’t the most ambitious goal, but given how the last couple weeks have gone, it feels like a decent consolation prize. The Philadelphia Phillies have also been pretty terrible recently, just not as notoriously, so the Mets have only really been lapped by one divisional rival.

Naturally, though, there’s a lot of bad news. Coming into the season, the Mets had a 65.7% chance of making the playoffs, the third-best probability in the National League. After 11 games, they had peaked over the 70% mark. So dropping to 42.9% this early and this quickly is a notable collapse. It’s also a milder collapse compared to some other systems. The FanGraphs playoff odds tend to be more certain than ZiPS, and per those odds, the Mets have dropped from 83.5% to 41.1% over the losing streak. That’s basically losing nearly half a playoff spot in two weeks!

Unfortunately, the history of teams with double-digit losing streaks doesn’t offer many positive vibes to bolster Mets fans. Going back to 1901, there have been 376 teams that have had at least one 10-game losing streak during the season. They averaged a .409 winning percentage during those seasons, or about a 66-96 record per 162 games. Less than 10% of those teams finished with at least a .500 record, and only four made the playoffs: the 1951 Giants, the 1982 Braves, the 2017 Dodgers, and the 2025 Guardians. Those Dodgers finished with 104 wins! But there’s already a bit of selection bias in there. Most teams that have 10-game losing streaks are lousy teams that expected to be lousy.

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Since FanGraphs started running playoff odds in 2014, there have been 35 teams with a 10-game losing streaks, for a total of 38 non-overlapping streaks (the 2021 Orioles had two disconnected streaks, while the 2024 White Sox had three). And yes, these were teams that far more often than not were projected to be uncompetitive:

FanGraphs Preseason Projections for Teams with 10-plus Loss Streaks
Team Losing Streak Preseason W Preseason L
2017 Los Angeles Dodgers 11 96.6 65.4
2026 New York Mets 11 89.9 72.1
2014 Boston Red Sox 10 88.2 73.8
2014 Tampa Bay Rays 10 86.3 75.7
2022 Los Angeles Angels 14 83.3 78.7
2016 Tampa Bay Rays 11 80.9 81.1
2016 Los Angeles Angels 11 80.7 81.3
2018 San Francisco Giants 11 80.5 81.5
2023 Chicago White Sox 10 79.7 82.3
2021 Chicago Cubs 12 79.5 82.5
2021 Chicago Cubs 11 79.5 82.5
2025 Cleveland Guardians 10 79.1 82.9
2016 Minnesota Twins 13 77.8 84.2
2021 Kansas City Royals 11 77.7 84.3
2024 Pittsburgh Pirates 10 77.5 84.5
2025 Athletics 11 76.1 85.9
2022 Cincinnati Reds 11 75.4 86.6
2022 Chicago Cubs 10 74.8 87.2
2023 Pittsburgh Pirates 10 74.4 87.6
2015 Cincinnati Reds 13 74.2 87.8
2015 Colorado Rockies 11 74.2 87.8
2015 Atlanta Braves 12 73.5 88.5
2021 Arizona Diamondbacks 17 72.4 89.6
2023 Kansas City Royals 10 72.4 89.6
2025 Washington Nationals 11 71.9 90.1
2016 Cincinnati Reds 11 71.4 90.6
2018 Kansas City Royals 10 70.9 91.1
2018 Detroit Tigers 11 69.9 92.1
2019 Kansas City Royals 10 69.8 92.2
2021 Texas Rangers 12 69.8 92.2
2023 Oakland Athletics 11 68.7 93.3
2022 Oakland Athletics 10 68.5 93.5
2019 Detroit Tigers 10 68.0 94.0
2024 Chicago White Sox 21 66.3 95.7
2024 Chicago White Sox 14 66.3 95.7
2024 Chicago White Sox 12 66.3 95.7
2021 Pittsburgh Pirates 10 66.2 95.8
2021 Baltimore Orioles 19 64.8 97.2
2021 Baltimore Orioles 14 64.8 97.2

Only five of the teams with long losing streaks had preseason projections that forecast them to finish .500 or better. So the Mets have naturally more reason for optimism than the usual losing-streak team.

But that also raises a question: Just how accurate are the projections for teams with long losing streaks? That’s an important question for teams like the Mets, because their viability for 2026 depends on the projections being right. Long streaks are tricky in baseball, both for players and teams. For example, there are more hitting streaks and no-hitters than you expect from random chance. This is also true for teams, and while projections are generally calibrated quite well overall, there are still moderately more very long losing and winning streaks than you would expect. If the projections are flawed, then so is having hope! Unfortunately, ZiPS doesn’t have a daily standings update, and while I can construct them historically, it would take a couple of weeks, by which time the Mets will (probably) have seen their losing streak end. Luckily, the FanGraphs Depth Chart projections update daily:

Double-Digit Losing Streaks, 2014-2026
Team Losing Streak Expected W Expected L Actual W Actual L Diff Playoffs
2024 Chicago White Sox 21 46.3 115.7 41 121 -5.3
2021 Baltimore Orioles 19 53.2 108.8 52 110 -1.2
2021 Arizona Diamondbacks 17 60.0 102.0 52 110 -8.0
2022 Los Angeles Angels 14 81.5 80.5 73 89 -8.5
2021 Baltimore Orioles 14 61.3 100.7 52 110 -9.3
2024 Chicago White Sox 14 56.2 105.8 41 121 -15.2
2015 Cincinnati Reds 13 64.4 97.6 64 98 -0.4
2016 Minnesota Twins 13 62.5 99.5 59 103 -3.5
2015 Atlanta Braves 12 65.1 96.9 67 95 1.9
2021 Chicago Cubs 12 69.8 92.2 71 91 1.2
2021 Texas Rangers 12 61.4 100.6 60 102 -1.4
2024 Chicago White Sox 12 40.5 121.5 41 121 0.5
2026 New York Mets 11 82.7 79.3 ? ? ?
2017 Los Angeles Dodgers 11 103.4 58.6 104 58 0.6 x
2025 Athletics 11 73.6 88.4 76 86 2.4
2016 Cincinnati Reds 11 61.9 100.1 68 94 6.1
2021 Kansas City Royals 11 77.5 84.5 74 88 -3.5
2025 Washington Nationals 11 70.2 91.8 66 96 -4.2
2018 Detroit Tigers 11 68.9 93.1 64 98 -4.9
2015 Colorado Rockies 11 72.5 89.5 68 94 -4.5
2016 Los Angeles Angels 11 70.9 91.1 74 88 3.1
2018 San Francisco Giants 11 74.7 87.3 73 89 -1.7
2021 Chicago Cubs 11 80.6 81.4 71 91 -9.6
2016 Tampa Bay Rays 11 74.8 87.2 68 94 -6.8
2022 Cincinnati Reds 11 70.1 91.9 62 100 -8.1
2023 Oakland Athletics 11 55.3 106.7 50 112 -5.3
2025 Cleveland Guardians 10 77.2 84.8 88 74 10.8 x
2023 Pittsburgh Pirates 10 74.8 87.2 76 86 1.2
2022 Chicago Cubs 10 69.2 92.8 74 88 4.8
2024 Pittsburgh Pirates 10 76.7 85.3 76 86 -0.7
2021 Pittsburgh Pirates 10 63.1 68.9 61 101 -2.1
2022 Oakland Athletics 10 63.3 98.7 60 102 -3.3
2014 Tampa Bay Rays 10 75.7 86.3 77 85 1.3
2019 Kansas City Royals 10 69.0 93.0 59 103 -10.0
2018 Kansas City Royals 10 56.6 105.4 58 104 1.4
2023 Kansas City Royals 10 58.5 103.5 56 106 -2.5
2014 Boston Red Sox 10 81.4 80.6 71 91 -10.4
2023 Chicago White Sox 10 72.8 89.2 61 101 -11.8
2019 Detroit Tigers 10 67.8 95.2 47 114 -20.8

The column for expected wins and losses is the team’s projection as of the day after the final game of the losing streak, not the preseason projection, meaning that the projected win-loss record contains information about the losing streak and its negative effect on expectations. The rest-of-season projections missed high by about three wins on average. There’s an important caveat, however: Two-thirds of the streaks ended before the trade deadline, and the vast majority of those teams subsequently traded away some of their players with value. If we look at the trades of the teams involved, including acquisitions, the players the traded away added 2.8 wins to other teams on average.

So there’s no particular reason to distrust the Mets’ projections, at least in terms of the ability to project teams in this deep of a funk. But that doesn’t mean the Mets should sit around and just wait for things to happen. It would have been nice if Jacob Reimer had gotten off to a blazing start and forced the Mets’ hand, but he’s been rather cold at Double-A Binghamton. Without professional outfield experience outside of the Arizona Fall League, he also covers the same positions as Mark Vientos, who doesn’t have any options remaining. MJ Melendez has performed well in his few games since being called up, but Ryan Clifford is probably the most intriguing option. While he hasn’t gotten off to a particularly good start, he at least is hitting the ball incredibly hard, with his 65.7% hard-hit rate leading Triple-A hitters who have faced at least 100 pitches.

Outside of options like those, the Mets don’t really have a great deal of flexibility. It’s still far too early for losing teams to throw in the towel, and of the clubs that are still mired in single-digit win territory, only the Rockies and White Sox were expected to be bad anyway. Moving on from Bo Bichette would be a wild overreaction, and while Marcus Semien might actually be toast offensively, it’s difficult to pull the plug on a player who has nearly three seasons remaining on a contract that you just picked up the past offseason. Similarly, the two most disappointing pitchers on the roster, Kodai Senga and Devin Williams, aren’t the sorts of players the team is going to just give up on.

The best realistic option for the Mets right now might be to batten down the hatches, and just wait and see how they fare in the next month or two. Perhaps a change in approach at the plate is in order as well; the Mets have gone from being the fifth-best team in 2025 at not offering at out-of-zone pitches (26.3%) to the fourth worst (32.2%). I also wouldn’t necessarily count on manager Carlos Mendoza’s job security; he only has a club option for the 2027 season, and firing the manager is one of the few ways that teams in the Mets’ position have to show that they are Doing Something. Mets president of baseball operations David Stearns has supported Mendoza publicly, but if I had a dollar for every time a team expressed confidence in its manager before dropping the axe, I’d be making money in a very weird way (sorry, can’t resist the Hedberg joke).

Maybe all the Mets and their fans can do is wait and hope. Granted, that’s a pretty scary prospect when you’re a fan of the Mets.





Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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fangraphsreaderbutwokeMember since 2025
3 months ago

LOLMets

carterMember since 2020
3 months ago

Bichette’s babip is going to come up, career .337 w it being .275 this year. But he is showing no power at all. It has been cold, but he is running a 9% higher than last year K rate, and has a .065 ISO. Not that savant is gospel, but his expected stats are much better than what he has done this year. However just going from 2025 to 2026 everything is so much worse. His bat speed is about the same, but all the quality metrics have gone from red to blue with exception of xBA basically.

Semien also looks to be fully cooked. Luis Robert however has upped his walk rate quite a bit to nearly 15% while dropping his K rate pretty drastically to 19.6%. Lindor has had a lot of slow starts, and the season line always ends up right where it should be. But you can’t help but feel “what if this time it doesn’t?”

timtomakethedonutsMember since 2025
3 months ago
Reply to  carter

to be fair, semien looked 110% cooked last year up until the minute he didn’t.

warpath
3 months ago

Semien had one good calendar month last year with a 158 wRC+ in June fueled by a 0.341 BABIP. His next best wRC+ in a calendar month was 96, and his next best BABIP for a month was 0.258. He looked pretty darn cooked at the plate outside of one hot month.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 months ago
Reply to  warpath

Yeah but that month counts too!

warpath
3 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

It does! Just clarifying that he was bad, then good, then bad again, not that he suddenly recovered some good form and then maintained it.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
3 months ago
Reply to  warpath

Is everyone here seeing something different than I am for Semien in 2025? Here’s what I’m seeing as his 2025 season slash line: .230/.305/.364. If that’s not “cooked” for a player pulling in 25M/year, it’s pretty darn close

Last edited 3 months ago by airforce21one
airforce21oneMember since 2026
3 months ago

Semien had an 89 wRC+ last year.

PC1970Member since 2024
3 months ago

For a team that blew a whole playoff spot in 1 week last year, losing half a playoff spot in 2 weeks is child’s play!!

Also love the 2024 White Sox with 3 losing streaks of 12 games or more. Somehow I had forgotten about that.

FrancoeursteinMember since 2025
3 months ago

I remember that 2017 Dodgers team. They made the cover of Sports Illustrated titled “Best Team Ever?” And then promptly went on a 1-16 stretch that I believed coincided with Cleveland’s ridiculous winning streak. That was a wild year.

cashgod27Member since 2024
3 months ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

I believe when they lost seven of eight or something like that, FanGraphs published an article basically saying “LOL, Don’t Worry About the Dodgers”, and then they didn’t win for another week and FanGraphs published another article saying “OK, Maybe Worry About The Dodgers”.

And then they finished the season 12-6, steamrolled through the NL in the playoffs, and lost in seven games to a team that was cheating. Baseball!

nathanjMember since 2024
3 months ago
Reply to  cashgod27

The Astros aren’t my team, but still think it’s “caught cheating”. I’m guessing most teams were cheating, and I’d be upset if my team wasn’t.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 months ago
Reply to  nathanj

I fully believe every team was breaking down signs in the video room.

I haven’t seen any evidence that another team had a monitor in the dugout…and the only other team I’ve heard of that kept cheating after the “Hey, this is officially cheating. If you’re doing it, stop it” letter is Alex Cora’s Red Sox.

And there are few things in this league more firmly established than Alex Cora being a dirty cheater…and, by all accounts, a liar!

kingofdiamondsMember since 2025
3 months ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

The streaks did coincide, Clevelands’ 22-game win streak went from August 24th-September 14th, the Dodgers went 1-16 from the 26th to the 11th.

And also, a few days before the slump, there was the infamous game where Rich Hill lost a no-hitter to a walk-off homer in the 10th because the Dodgers never scored a run, which I misremembered as happening at the start of the slump instead of a few days before it, and which I also thought was him losing a perfect game, but he’d already lost the perfect game to an error in the 9th.

carterMember since 2020
3 months ago
Reply to  kingofdiamonds

Wasn’t he out of the game? I seem to remember him leaving a perfect game angrily

dhaiesMember since 2016
3 months ago

If Semien doesn’t start hitting soon, they should give Mauricio a strong look at 2nd base.

CromulentMember since 2017
3 months ago
Reply to  dhaies

I do think Ronny Mo is benefiting from consistent playing time in AAA after a couple nearly lost seasons. That said, he is 25 so he shouldn’t be hanging out there too much longer. Time to prove it at the highest level. I hope he gets a real shot.

David Klein
3 months ago
Reply to  dhaies

That’s lead off man Marcus Semien to you!

Jeff in JerseyMember since 2020
3 months ago

For all that I respect Stearns, the roster construction issues sure showed up quickly, especially on the offensive side.

The 1B/DH plan: the oft-injured Polanco got injured. Baty and Vientos have been the bad versions of Baty and Vientos (you’d have to be optimistic to have bet on the good version being a full-time 1B/DH). It’d be really nice to have Murakami.

2B: Semien looks like a 35-year-old who didn’t hit well last year because he is a 35-year-old who didn’t hit well last year. No proven 2nd option unless you count Baty or Mauricio.

OF: Counting on Benge now looks foolhardy….Tauchmann the only real contingency plan…now it’s cast-off MJ Melendez. What happens now when the inevitable Robert injury occurs? Two injuries and a rookie not playing well feels like something a $370m payroll should account for.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 months ago
Reply to  Jeff in Jersey

I still think Semien and Bichette will be better. Partly by default, but also because I think they’re better than this. I don’t think Bichette is going to be that different than Baty would have been there, and I think McNeil to Semien is probably a lateral move as well. But I think it will be okay there.

On the other hand I was really not a fan of what they did in the outfield and at 1B / DH. I don’t think anyone could have predicted that everything would go wrong like this, but I’m also pretty sure that most commenters on this site had predicted at least four of these seven things happening:
-Robert getting hurt and not contributing anything
-Polanco getting hurt and not contributing anything
-Tauchman being hurt and not contributing anything (that one is a gimme)
-Benge not being ready-
-Vientos not being able to hit enough for 1B / DH
-Baty not transitioning well to being in a utility and / or outfield role
-Semien not hitting

That six of these seven things happened is bad luck, but it isn’t super surprising either. And while you can’t plan for Juan Soto going down with an injury, Robert has been pretty healthy.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Polanco (and Tauchman) getting hurt for a huge chunk of the year seemed almost inevitable. Polanco should never have been considered as anything other than a DH, and almost immediately he made that choice for them.

Vientos was replacement level last year.

Benge is the kind of guy who you want to have him force his way to the majors. He only had one year of playing minor league baseball, and what he did was promising and he could be ready this year, but projecting him to play regularly is more wishcasting that forecasting.

The idea that they were going to just move around Brett Baty or play him in the outfield full time seemed like a bad idea. He’s one of those guys who needs a lot of reps in one place to get good and feel comfortable, and it’s not clear he can hit left handed pitching anyway.

David Klein
3 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Baty played plenty of second base last year in addition to third base so I dunno about him needing to stay in one spot.

CromulentMember since 2017
3 months ago
Reply to  David Klein

That’s fair. But it is 2 new positions this year in 1B and OF. And it seems likely he’ll see starts at 2B and/or 3B at some point. The overall point that he might be stretched as a super utility guy still holds, I think.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

(I predicted that six of them would happen, but got one wrong. But Semien is not hitting and Robert is healthy. I’m only 5 for 7)

warpath
3 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Robert is healthy (and producing) for now, it’s still April… But they bought so low on Robert that I still think it was a good move no matter how it turns out. However, I’m in agreement that the general outfield plan of Soto + volatile Robert + hodge podge of too old/too young/not really outfielders to fill the remaining playing time was not a sound plan.

David Klein
3 months ago
Reply to  warpath

The plan was to sign Tucker they lost out to the Dodgers yet again.

carterMember since 2020
3 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Robert has been healthy *so far*

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I still just don’t get going for Bichette after getting Semien.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 months ago

Consolation prize for billionaires I guess

It was a huge waste of money, but I think Bichette is probably going to be the least of their problems by the time the year is out.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I definitely believe in Bichette in general…but not at all in his 3B defense, haha.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
3 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

What do you expect for a slash line for Semien this year? I’m curious.

cashgod27Member since 2024
3 months ago

The Mets are going to need to go at least .565 over the rest of the season if they want to have reasonable confidence they’ll make the playoffs, and this just does not look anything like a .565 team, even with Soto.

nathanjMember since 2024
3 months ago
Reply to  cashgod27

Given the NL is dominating the AL this season (all NL Central teams are 3+ games over .500, Colorado is a respectable 9-14, Dodgers). Might be a high 80s to get the last WC spot. 88 wins would be a .629 pace, or 102 wins on a full season.

David Klein
3 months ago
Reply to  nathanj

Yeah I think 86 wins gets you the last wild card.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
3 months ago

positive vibes to bolster Mets fans

We’re Mets fans. Positive vibes only make us uneasy, as we redouble our search for the inevitable unpleasant surprise to come.

We talked about the Nimmo trade in the previous post. Is it time to start talking about how much of the current roster mess boils down to the Bichette deal being a bad idea? Even assuming he regresses back to his projections and/or mean talent level, it’s not going to be a great season. He’s being paid a huge pile of money to anchor the lineup, and doing nothing of the kind (people are pointing to Lindor and Soto and saying “the two best hitters are injured or in trouble”… but the point of signing a big-money free-agent hitter was to lighten the load on them, right?). And adding him at 3B caused all kinds of downstream roster issues, probably including the current dearth of playable outfielders (as someone pointed out already, bizarre to see a team with this payroll playing these guys). And the weird structure of the deal means that the worse he plays, the more likely he is to stick around for future seasons.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 months ago

Once they traded Nimmo there were not a lot of good options in the outfield.

Trading Nimmo might not be a big blow in the long run but he is raking for Texas and so it’s a huge issue now. Cody Bellinger is also hitting great, although he may have picked the Yankees anyway.

I remember suggesting a Baty for Garrett Mitchell trade, but I bet the Brewers are glad they didn’t do that. They’re arguably even more out of outfielders than the Mets are, Mitchell has been (unsustainably) great, Baty has not been.

They did try for Kyle Tucker so it wasn’t like they didn’t try at all, but they got cute by trying to do a short term deal when the Dodgers did it better. Maybe they never had a chance, but they weren’t going to get him that way. And Tucker hasn’t hit great either.

Maybe if they had offered Tucker a long-term contract this all would have worked. Maybe he would have shown up and given him what he did for the Cubs last year. I think they didn’t want to block Benge long term but I think that doesn’t make sense to me. Benge clearly isn’t ready, he wouldn’t have been Rule 5 eligible for years, he is center-field capable meaning that he likely would be covering for Robert and his inevitable injuries a lot anyway, and players can rotate through DH.

The weirdest what-if though is “what if the Mets had kept Carlos Cortes?” I think he signed with the A’s as a minor league free agent or something. He went to the A’s organization and immediately started raking. He’s protected pretty heavily against left handed pitching, but still…

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
3 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I think they really wanted Tucker at any cost, but Tucker just didn’t want to play for them. It was my feeling at the time that Bellinger was the obvious fallback, but I think that was a similar situation where the guy just didn’t want to play in Queens.

My question now, though, is whether the quick pivot to Bichette was actually worse than standing pat at that point — the Mets have been in a weird situation for a few years now where it seems like they’re trying to find players who actually even want to take the big pile of Cohenbucks they have allocated for the year.

warpath
3 months ago

I agree, I think the Mets panicked and swooped in on Bichette, and saved the Phillies from a contract that was going to age very poorly if the 7-year 200M$ deal number is to be believed.

The Mets desperately wanted to add a bat and threw money at the best available. Maybe part of the calculus there was that there don’t project to be many FA bats available over the next couple years, so if the money is tabbed for that Bichette is better than nothing, but it’s still a pretty underwhelming use of resources.

Bichette will definitely play better than he is right now and probably makes the team better this year, but the defense has long been shaky, and I’m generally skeptical of how a guy will age whose profile relies more on hit tool than plate discipline.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 months ago

I know that there is an organizational aversion to long-term contracts for pitching but Peralta and Skubal are the obvious choices to get a big long term contract next offseason.

The position player side does not have anyone who would require a truly massive deal. The top position players are Daulton Varsho, Randy Arozarena, Trent Grisham, Jazz Chisholm, Ian Happ, JP Crawford, Brandon Lowe, Taylor Ward, and Seiya Suzuki. I could definitely see them in on some of those guys.

Instead they’ll probably offer Michael King or Trevor Rogers or Kevin Gausman or Brandon Woodruff a 3 year, $90M deal or something.

Except for opt-outs, I don’t think there’s a position player I would feel comfortable giving $200M or more in free agency until after the 2028 season when Gunnar Henderson will be available. Maybe some other guys depending on health / breakouts (Yordan Alvarez, CJ Abrams, Riley Greene, Shea Langeliers).

Although if Murakami keeps hitting like this he will absolutely get a big deal after 2027, and at some point Tucker and Bichette will be back on that market.

ArathornMember
3 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

When does Yordan Alvarez become a FA? I definitely think he’s worth $200M.

David Klein
3 months ago

The at bats are so incredibly poor, they don’t walk they don’t hit for power, they’re ground ball machines. They’re 28th in fly ball rate and make so many quick outs. They put up one of the most pathetic ninth innings down by one vs a journeyman reliever as they made three outs on four pitches with three 60 + mph ground ball outs vs the A’s. Senga has been horrendous the last two starts, and hasn’t been an ace since 2023 as last years first half was a mirage as he had a no good K-bb ratio and a 90% strand rate. I’ll give Williams a break for his blowup vs the Dodgers as Mendy didn’t use him for eight days and he was rusty. Peterson is what he is a fourth or so starter that relies on babip as he doesn’t miss many bats and for his career walks too many. They need to go 6-3 this homestand to even give me some hope.

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carterMember since 2020
3 months ago
Reply to  David Klein

After getting rid of Chavez and signing JDM you’d think you’d see some changes. At this point you almost hope he unretires instead

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BranchRickey11937Member since 2016
3 months ago

In baseball, streaks follow slumps (& slumps follow streaks) just as surely as day follows night. We know the true talent level of Soto, Lindor, Bichette, Baty, etc.– they will eventually get hot and the team will be playing meaningful games in September. Will it be enough to make the playoffs? That was the question before the season too. However, I said months ago that it was a mistake to let Alonso go & I’ve seen nothing to change my mind about that. Their lineup lacks a true threat in the clean spot.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 months ago

We know the true talent level of Soto, Lindor, Bichette, Baty, etc.

I actually think we don’t know the true talent level of Baty, or really anyone else on the roster aside from the first three players you mentioned and Freddy Peralta.

David Klein
3 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Baty has gotten around 1100 career plate appearances and has a wRC+ around 80 maybe we know what he is?

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BranchRickey11937Member since 2016
3 months ago
Reply to  David Klein

I don’t think that’s entirely fair. That career wRC+ is weighted down by his rookie year which is an adjustment challenge for many young players. His wRC+ last season was 111, which is consistent with his scouting reports and minor league track record.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 months ago

And Volpe’s gonna break out any time now…

BranchRickey11937Member since 2016
3 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yeah, but I don’t know if there were more questions than most teams. Soto & Lindor are HOF talents and then there’s a bunch of established MLB players whose 50% percentile projections are not that bad. Robert, Alvarez, Vientos, Baty, with significant upside for some of them. But that’s why I was critical of the Alonso non-signing; he was a very reliable 130 wRC+ bat.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 months ago

Maybe not more than most teams, but for most teams with this many veterans there are a ton of questions.

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
3 months ago

I’m sure Soto is still fine with his choice, but, boy, he’s getting the full Mets experience in a little over one season.

Jason BMember since 2017
3 months ago

It helps to be able to go home and leap Scrooge McDuck style into a vault full of gold coins (rumor has it that is how he got injured in fact)

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
3 months ago

IDK, it seems like “salvage” might be exactly where this team is headed.

schne700Member since 2020
3 months ago

Nothing like a series against the Twins bullpen to give some confidence.

jdbolickMember since 2024
3 months ago

I understood wanting to get stronger defensively, but those who expected Semien to rebound offensively were wishcasting. Thirty five year olds don’t recover bat speed. Now he’s down to 67.8 mph, and even more concerningly, his chase rate is nearly double his career mark.

SaltyMember since 2017
3 months ago

I’d like to see the Mets come up with a reason to IL Vientos for a few weeks, allow him to exclusively work with JD Martinez without game pressure and see if they can make things work. Then bring him back and give him some real run at 1B.

At that point, they have to make a tough call to determine whether there is something there or cut bait and either make a move or maybe Clifford becomes ready to take over.

The hope was that one of Baty, Vientos or Mauricio would truly break out at this point, but none of them have been able to do so.

Even with their high payroll, any offense would struggle to get such little production from 1B and DH. And on top of that, adding slow-starts from LF and 3B is proving too much to overcome.

David Klein
3 months ago
Reply to  Salty

Re first base : Nate Lowe is buried on the Reds bench and would likely cost nothing more than cash considerations in a trade.

Kenneth KitchinMember since 2020
3 months ago

I would consider pulling the plug on Baty, however.

David Klein
3 months ago

Vientos as well

warpath
3 months ago

Free Ronny Mauricio

maguroMember since 2016
3 months ago
Reply to  warpath

With the purchase of a regularly priced Ronny Mauricio

David Klein
3 months ago
Reply to  warpath

He’s freed but sadly it’s due to a Lindor calf injury.

Ostensibly RidiculousMember since 2020
3 months ago

That the Mets now have a worse record than the White Sox has gotta be soul-crushing for Luis

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
3 months ago

At that point, I would start retracing my steps to see when I stepped on the black cat while walking underneath a breaking mirror. Maybe there is no escaping our fate, after all.

snapperMember since 2019
3 months ago

At this point why not fire the manager? Gotta try something, right?

David Klein
3 months ago
Reply to  snapper

Stearns gave him a the dreaded vote of confidence so it’s coming unless it turns turn around quickly.

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96mncMember since 2020
3 months ago
Reply to  snapper

Should have been fired after last year.

David Klein
3 months ago
Reply to  96mnc

Agree he’s somehow a worse in game manager than Boone.

nathanjMember since 2024
3 months ago

It all the curse of George Steinbrenner. Devin Williams never should have requested to keep his beard. Huuuuuuuge mistake.

bill furlongMember since 2026
3 months ago

Q: Can the 2026 Mets Be Salvaged?

A: No!

bill furlongMember since 2026
3 months ago

The final 14 Mets to come to the plate were retired in order. 🥴

David Klein
3 months ago
Reply to  bill furlong

By a terrible bullpen.

OnWI1933Member since 2016
3 months ago

Just an ugly confluence of awful events

Any sports fan knows that whatever team they support is some injuries, bad luck and poor decisions away from a similar losing situation.

I will work to avoid engaging in any gaper’s block. Might be my team at some point.

Hang in there Mets fans

khaaan
3 months ago

Curse of the Polar Bear

bill furlongMember since 2026
3 months ago
Reply to  khaaan

Curse of David Stearns. It’s such a fine line between stupid and clever.

Jason BMember since 2017
3 months ago
Reply to  bill furlong

My wife reminds me of this most anytime I speak to her

Youppi!
3 months ago

Nats team isn’t great but at this point, I don’t think they’ll lose 98 total this season. They’ll probably get into the low 70s, which hopefully means more Mets losses. Hahaha. But both the Braves and Nats were terrible in recent history and then went on to win the WS. It’s a long season.

Mets are a mess. Sometimes the funk is in the head and a head has to roll even if it’s mostly symbolic.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
3 months ago

The way McLean has come out of the gate with filthy no-hit stuff in his last three outings, only for the team to end up eating shit one way or the other anyhow, really has me thinking about the peak de Grom years again. At least today’s game contained something enjoyable to watch for a while. Yes, it’s true, that only made the eventual outcome even more painful, but still, L #12 was a different experience.

96mncMember since 2020
3 months ago

Absolute insanity what’s happening in Queens right now.

Sonny LMember since 2017
3 months ago

It can be hard to admit you need help, but Stearns we need you to put your ego aside and pick up the phone. Call him. You need him and that’s okay.

Now we just have to hope that Grimace answers the phone.

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
3 months ago
Reply to  Sonny L

At this rate, Grimace might be batting cleanup by the end of the week.

David Klein
3 months ago

Can’t have worse at bats than Benge and Baty.

Jason BMember since 2017
3 months ago

I’m more of a Hamburglar guy, he can at least steal hamburgers bases

bookbookMember since 2024
3 months ago

When Lindor and Soto carry the offense for a week or two, everyone else will sudddenly start playing better. Well enough to make the playoffs? Probably not, but that’s why we play the games….