Can the Giants Avoid a Full Rebuild?
“No man is rich enough to buy back his past.” – Oscar Wilde
With three World Series wins over the last decade, it would be a bit greedy for fans of the Giants to bemoan the team’s current state too strenuously. San Francisco fell out of their even-year championship pattern in 2016 and finished the last three seasons with losing records. With the key players of the dynasty either past their prime or gone completely, the club’s laudable goal of putting a quality team on the field every year has become a tricky one to fulfill.
The Setup
Unlike other formerly competitive teams such as the Tigers and Orioles, the Giants were in no mood to head full-bore into a rebuild in 2018. San Francisco rightly realized that the outfield was a major weakness, but the club struck out in their attempts to acquire Giancarlo Stanton, Christian Yelich, and Marcell Ozuna. Unable to be one of the teams pillaging the Marlins during that organization’s latest payroll temper tantrum, the Giants picked up Andrew McCutchen in a trade with the Pittsburgh Pirates in return for Bryan Reynolds, Kyle Crick, and international bonus money. That trade doesn’t look all that phenomenal in 2019 terms given the season Reynolds had, but it was a necessary one given San Francisco’s 2018 goals. Evan Longoria was also acquired in the hopes he could bounce back to being the star he had been for most of his 20s.
As we all know now, 2018 firmly demonstrated that 2017’s 64-98 record wasn’t some horrifying outlier. While the Giants were clearly had not given up on competing, the team’s attempts to stay under the luxury tax threshold made any October aspirations more difficult to achieve. There would be no Lorenzo Cain, no J.D. Martinez, and no Yu Darvish signed in free agency to reinforce the team’s declining core. In any event, none of those signings would have salvaged San Francisco’s 2018 campaign. McCutchen himself didn’t even finish the season with the Giants, as he was sent to the Yankees at the August trade deadline.
San Francisco entered last winter with competitive aspirations, and a combination of a $10 million bump in the luxury tax threshold and $25 million in expiring contracts to Hunter Pence and Matt Cain gave the team a bit of breathing room to add to the roster. One big addition, though not of the roster variety, was that of Farhan Zaidi, formerly the GM of the Dodgers, as head of baseball operations. Zaidi wasn’t brought in — at least at that point — to spearhead a full rebuild, and the Giants went after one of the offseason’s top prizes in free agent outfielder Bryce Harper. The Giants offered Harper 12 years and $310 million, but Harper instead took Philadelphia’s 13-year, $330 million offer.
After missing on Harper, the Giants ended up spending under $10 million in free agency, with the majority going to securing the return of Derek Holland. Holland was surprisingly adequate for the Giants in 2018, putting up a 3.57 ERA in 171.1 innings for 2.2 WAR, all bests for him since 2013. In an attempt to find someone who would be serviceable in the outfield, the team brought in Cameron Maybin, Craig Gentry, Gerardo Parra, Matt Joyce, Michael Reed, and Mike Yastrzemski in the hopes to score on a scratch-and-win.
The Projection
ZiPS was not enthused with San Francisco’s offseason or its roster and projected the team to go 70-92 with a 0.4% chance of making the playoffs. Only the Marlins projected to be worse in the National League. Based on the Opening Day 25-man roster, ZiPS forecasted the entire outfield to fail to combine for even 2 WAR in 2019. There was some optimism in ZiPS for the state of the infield, but the projections were highly concerned about the innings totals of the good starting pitchers (Madison Bumgarner, Jeff Samardzija) and the quality of, well, everyone else. The computer did not buy Holland’s comeback year, projecting him to go 7-8 with a 4.54 ERA for 0.5 WAR.
The Results
In the end, the Giants did beat the projections by a healthy seven wins, though it looked for a while as if they would fail to meet even their fairly negative prognostication; the rotation combined for a ghoulish 2-13 record with a 7.32 ERA in May. In a season in which balls were flying out of the park at a record pace, the Giants entered June hitting .220/.288/.363 and 28th in the league in home runs. Only a single starter, Brandon Belt, had a wRC+ above 90, and one of the team’s few highlights was a player who I was surprised was even on a roster in 2019: spare 1B/3B/DH/PH/KFP Pablo Sandoval, hitting .287/.325/.583. The Giants picked up Kevin Pillar from the Blue Jays to cheaply buttress the outfield, but like the rest of the team, he struggled offensively and defensively.
At that point in the season, my feeling was that the Giants should blow up the team, collect the ashes, and then blow up the ashes. I’d like to say that I predicted the team would go 33-19 from June 1 to the trade deadline, but that would be a filthy, filthy lie. The offense started rolling, and even more shocking than the team finally scoring runs is that the name-brand veterans had nothing to do with it. If you had told me the Giants would go on a run-scoring rampage, I would have guessed that some combination of Buster Posey, Belt, Brandon Crawford, and Longoria got scorching hot at the same time. But by and large, most of those players continued not to play all that well. The Giants went full-on Bad News Bears without even Kelly Leak to thank.
| Name | PA | BA | OBP | SLG | wRC+ |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Alex Dickerson | 98 | .386 | .449 | .773 | 212 |
| Stephen Vogt | 106 | .286 | .368 | .593 | 146 |
| Donovan Solano | 112 | .371 | .402 | .505 | 141 |
| Austin Slater | 73 | .270 | .370 | .524 | 135 |
| Evan Longoria | 121 | .284 | .347 | .532 | 129 |
| Mike Yastrzemski | 183 | .274 | .317 | .488 | 107 |
| Buster Posey | 137 | .266 | .336 | .411 | 101 |
| Brandon Crawford | 180 | .253 | .322 | .444 | 101 |
| Pablo Sandoval | 154 | .248 | .303 | .467 | 96 |
| Brandon Belt | 216 | .232 | .361 | .333 | 93 |
| Kevin Pillar | 217 | .263 | .286 | .455 | 90 |
| Aramis Garcia | 10 | .200 | .200 | .500 | 74 |
| Joe Panik | 175 | .222 | .282 | .278 | 49 |
| Steven Duggar | 43 | .195 | .233 | .317 | 44 |
| Zach Green | 15 | .154 | .267 | .231 | 41 |
| Tyler Austin | 78 | .130 | .231 | .275 | 38 |
The pitching came around as well, although in less-surprising fashion; players like Bumgarner and Samardzija getting hot wasn’t quite as shocking as Carl Yastrzemski’s journeyman grandson showing major league-quality offense.
The summer surge was enough to get the Giants into a position where contending for a Wild Card spot was more than just mathematically possible. The result was an interesting dilemma at the trade deadline. Were the Giants buyers or sellers? A veteran team in win-now mode would typically be buyers under this set of circumstances, but the Giants had a problem as a potential trade partner: the prospects. San Francisco’s farm system has improved in recent years, but it is very top-heavy, with much of the system’s value tied up in the fortunes of Joey Bart, Heliot Ramos, and Marco Luciano. The secondary talent (and beyond) in the organization is still rather shallow, leaving the Giants in the awkward position where they either had to pay too much for a Robbie Ray or a Marcus Stroman, or simply didn’t have enough to offer to acquire one.
The Giants ended up playing it rather safe at the deadline. They didn’t add anyone who would push the team forward in the Wild Card race, only picking up Scooter Gennett from the Reds for a player to be named later. But they also didn’t trade players outside of the bullpen, the only place the team really had the depth to survive some losses. Gone were Mark Melancon, Sam Dyson, Ray Black, and Drew Pomeranz, but the team retained Will Smith, Reyes Moronta, and Trevor Gott.
Unlike the Bad News Bears, the Giants didn’t beat the Yankees or the Tuscon Toros or make a horrible movie set in Japan. A 22-32 finish ended the season, and the Giants fell to 10 games back in the Wild Card race by the end of August. While I still feel that the Giants were close enough to the Wild Card to justify trading Luciano or Ramos for the right pitcher, it wouldn’t have been enough to even get them to .500.
What Comes Next?
San Francisco starts this offseason in a similar position to previous ones, with an aging core and a lot of wins to try to find in the winter. While bringing in Zaidi to spearhead a rebuild is what I would do, I don’t own the San Francisco Giants or, in fact, any baseball team, unless American Express decides to be incredibly generous with my overdraft. The team still needs about two-thirds of an outfield, and the optimism ZiPS had for Posey and the infield proved to be misplaced. Bumgarner has gotten to the point where I think he’s rather overrated, but he’s also a pitcher the Giants can ill-afford to lose and can’t replace in-house in the near future. The team already has $110 million in just six players (Longoria, Johnny Cueto, Posey, Samardzija, Belt, Crawford), but ZiPS only projects, on average, 2.2 of this group to even hit the two-win mark in 2020. A huge Cueto comeback would likely only replace Bumgarner rather than add wins to the team’s baseline.
We can call this team about a 70-win squad based on what they have. Even assuming the total payroll to be somewhere around $140 million right now, I don’t see where they can add 20 wins for $60 million this offseason, even if they trade one of their top three prospects. It’s easy to have sympathy for an organization that is so motivated to avoid tanking a few seasons, one that decided to pay for their own damn ballpark rather than the taxpayers. Perhaps it’s a lack of imagination, but I just can’t picture a realistic path for them to enter 2020 as even a serious Wild Card contender. A full rebuild was always going to take a while, and I don’t think the team has the stomach for it, but even if they did, not trading Bumgarner or Smith puts them that much farther back.
The Absitively, Posilutely, Way-Too-Early ZiPS Projection – Mauricio Dubón
Mauricio Dubón may seem like an odd choice to go with here, but it struck me as kind of unfair to project Joey Bart in this space given his record is full of various hand injuries. Heliot Ramos also had his share of injuries in 2019, and as for Marco Luciano, I try to not make ZiPS project based on Rookie ball data if I can help it. Dubón is interesting for two reasons: first, ZiPS has always been a fan of him, and secondly, because he’s the prospect who’s likely the closest to contributing in the majors. A player without a lot of raw power to speak of, Dubón may be a good fit for Oracle Park. I’m especially optimistic about Dubón based on his full recovery from a torn ACL in 2017, an injury that was more likely to affect his game than that of a plodding slugger.
| Year | BA | OBP | SLG | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | OPS+ | DR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2020 | .269 | .303 | .373 | 590 | 67 | 159 | 27 | 2 | 10 | 46 | 27 | 86 | 16 | 81 | 5 | 1.6 |
| 2021 | .272 | .309 | .386 | 559 | 65 | 152 | 27 | 2 | 11 | 46 | 28 | 84 | 15 | 86 | 5 | 1.9 |
| 2022 | .271 | .310 | .394 | 554 | 65 | 150 | 28 | 2 | 12 | 46 | 29 | 86 | 15 | 88 | 5 | 2.1 |
| 2023 | .268 | .308 | .387 | 488 | 57 | 131 | 24 | 2 | 10 | 41 | 26 | 77 | 12 | 86 | 4 | 1.7 |
| 2024 | .268 | .308 | .385 | 452 | 53 | 121 | 22 | 2 | 9 | 37 | 24 | 68 | 10 | 85 | 3 | 1.4 |
| 2025 | .265 | .305 | .385 | 434 | 50 | 115 | 21 | 2 | 9 | 35 | 23 | 63 | 9 | 85 | 2 | 1.2 |
I’d be lying if I said these were sexy results, but the Giants have a lot of holes to fill, and getting a second baseman who can bring vaguely league-average performance to the table leaves money for the Giants to make much-needed improvements elsewhere. I also would likely take the over on the projection; capturing the consequence of missing almost a whole year of development to injury recovery is difficult for any projection system. In addition, Dubón’s a spray hitter with just enough power to take advantage of the deep nooks and crannies of the Giants’ home park.
Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.
This is the future I worry about for the Cubs, with two less rings.
Normally, I wouldn’t be worried, but claiming poverty this season was a huge red flag. They got a ring, though, and that’s what it’s all about. Can’t complain too much, eh?
As a Giants’ fan obviously I can’t complain ringwise, but the situation is pretty demoralizing. I mean the infield is almost the same as 2014 except everyone’s gotten older and worse. It’s not like there’s hope for the future.
Feels like they dodged a bullet in missing on Harper. Now, I happen to believe Harper rules and Philly got a respectable ROI this year and will in the future. However, I imagine this team would have face planted even with him and his power seems uniquely suited to die in that ballpark.
Even if one were on the “Harper is overrated bandwagon”, Harper wouldn’t have saved this team. It would make finding a whole new outfield a little bit easier (only need 2/3 instead of the whole thing), but the team was not making the playoffs with him. Maybe the extra wins makes them deadline buyers, and who knows what happens from there, but I doubt that Harper would have made this team a playoff team.
I don’t even think Trout would save this team
He for sure would have. They barely missed the playoffs a year earlier and added a lot.
Philly missing the playoffs was absurd. They got negative real value out of Harper. He does not help his team win games despite his WAR.
You might want to look at the Phillies pitching before blaming Harper.
Harper 4.6 WAR
Entire pitching staff 8.4 WAR.
Trying to reconcile these two points…
1. Bumgarner is rather overrated.
2. Giants are set back a lot by not trading him.
And I can’t reconcile them. So many writers commenting on not trading of Bum was a mistake…yet, they think that front offices aren’t savvy enough as the writers to know that he’s “overrated” and would actually give up a lot in return?
I don’t see that Dan made that argument, but even if he or someone did make it, I don’t the conflict between those two things. Even if you weren’t gonna get the Godfather offer for him, it’s still a fuckup not to even receive a useful player everyday player for him, especially considering they had nothing else of value to trade except relievers (which, they fucked up again by not trading their best one!)
Considering that 1.5 years of Stroman only returned a 45+ & 45, the Giants weren’t going to do better than the compensatory pick (in the 40-45 range in the 2020 amateur draft) they’ll get if Bumgarner signs for a total contract of more than $50M (which should be easy) with another team. That’s why they kept him.
Wouldn’t a pair of 40/45 high minors lottery tickets be an improvement over a compensatory pick? Maybe as platoon?
When you know you’re not competitive you might as well gamble.
Half-season of Bumgarner only nets 1. You could say that’s roughly equal to a compensatory pick, but why trade a franchise icon for that?
High minors?
Compensatory picks are rookie league/Low-A.
If you’re doing full rebuild, yes, the compensatory pick likely has a higher ceiling but if you want to be competitive soon AA/AAA types get to the roster sooner.
(Look at the Cleveland/St. Louis Mercado trade.)
My point wasn’t about whether they should or shouldn’t have traded Bumgarner. It was more that NOT trading him didn’t set them “much further back” as the author here stated.
They should have traded him in 2018 at some point
He was injured for much of 2018. The (unrealistic) hope was always that he’d go on a hot enough tear near the start of this season to get a Darvish-like return at the deadline.
one thing folks forget is that he had a limited no trade clause where there were 8 teams that he couldn’t be dealt. Houston, Atlanta, Milwaukee, St Louis, Cubs, Phillies, Red Sox, and Yankees..
Look at that list, all contenders. Most no-trade clauses are just to get a little leverage for a buyout of that clause.
That’s a pretty weird list. An incredibly weird list. It’s almost like he doesn’t want to be traded to good teams. I realize that this was made a few years ago but still. And Atlanta, the team closest to his home town, which I would assume he was a fan of when he was growing up?
His list isn’t made to avoid a trade, but rather to be the gatekeeper on any trade proposed. Bumgarner is an independent sort.
They might be reconciled by saying that Bumgarner is overrated a lot even by other baseball people so some fool might have given the Giants much much more than they should have. I think there might be some teams who have the feeling that Bumgarner might give them that magical extra ingredient (even if it’s purely magical) needed to go all the way. I mean teams do dumb things all the time, right?
For the Giants 2020 should be a year of transition as some of the top prospects will be knocking on the major league door. Joey Bart and Heliot should reach the majors sometime in 2020. My guess is Bart is in SF by mid season and Ramos is a late season call up if everything goes well. They have a few other solid prospects beyond just Marco Luciano. Hunter Bishop had a very odd professional debut in 2019. Bishop hit .224/.427/.400 in 117 PA with 29 BB and 28 K. The batting average was disappointing but the BB/K was outstanding.
Bad years is when you give everybody a shot.
Who expected Mike Yaz to be so useful?
Who know what else is bouncing around down there.
Better a might-be than a has-been.
“Bad years is when you give everybody a shot.”
Very true. The Astros wiffed on a lot of players during their lean years, but it also gave them the chance to play folks like Jose Altuve and Marwin Gonzalez, or take fliers on Collin McHugh and Brad Peacock.
When Zaidi was hired, I expected to see the Yaz type players make strides in the organization. He was a part of bringing in many of those Dodgers players (Muncy, Taylor, Turner, etc.) and I figured he could do that in San Francisco.
I think Giants fans have to be ready for it to look a bit different going forward. And I think it will be for the better.
Yaz was an options play guess, not a strategic acquisition. Pure luck.
This team STILL needs outfield help (deja vu), even after Yaz earned a shot at 600 PA next season. They should be on the phone with SD this offseason. The one I’d go after is Franchy Cordero. He’s pretty clearly on the outside looking in, since SD’s worst hitting outfielders are the center fielders, and the corners are a mess of Wil Myers’ contract, trying to pretend Josh Naylor isn’t a DH, and dingers and K’s from Hunter Renfroe. Franchy isn’t a good fielder and appears to be injury prone, but if you’re looking for pieces to throw at the wall as you figure out where tf this organization is actually going, that is someone I’d really like to see just get parked in LF and batting sixth for a team with low expectations. That dude has unreal tools and looked like something else at the very beginning of 2018. You have a nonzero shot at a middle of the order hitter, and this might be the buy low dip.
I think he’s a good guy to take a flyer on, though I think the Padres see him as their fourth outfielder for now
He’d need to play CF for that to work. In some games, you could get a Naylor-Cordero-Myers defense – yuck!
I think they need to roster Jankowski, which makes the corner logjam more difficult to juggle.
The outfielders are coming. It would have helped immensely if they hadn’t traded away Bryan Reynolds in 2018! But Heliot Ramos will be in in SF as early as next year and Hunter Bishop will probably arrive in SF in 2021.
Tyler O’Neill for Will Smith seemed like one of those trades that made too much sense, so of course it didn’t happen. Maybe his swing and miss issues prevent him from being more than a 4th OF, but he’s super fast and plays a solid outfield. 2 WAR seems possible, with an upside for more. That seems like something the Giants could use.
Maybe O’Neill could be part of a Bumgarner deal.
Bumgarner is a free agent now.
Haha, I almost posted all of that about Will Smith, but when I looked Smith up, I realized he was a free agent, not under contract for 2020. Clearly, I’m trapped in some weird time vortex, forever stuck in 2019.
Luis Matos will save the day for this team. They need to start building for 2022 when him, Luciano, and Canario bring the Giants back to the playoffs.
Ending Bochy’s reign as manager was the most crucial step in rebuilding. Bochy is just not psychologically capable of being involved in a rebuilding program at this point in his life.
Kudos to the Giants for attempting to put something on the field. There was a month or so where there was actually some excitement for the Giants fans – I imagine that is what this is all supposed to be about. They have not made great moves and I don’t anticipate much on the horizon but at least they are not just going full greed mode. The idea of blowing it all up isn’t really a plan as much as a lack of one. The idea of a rebuild is overblown and probably outdated. At least half the league is going with that half-assed dream which makes it an unprofitable strategy if you can even call it one. I would like to start keepong score of ll the rebuilds from the past decade… but all we talk about are the turn arounds. I am aware of two succesfull “rebuilds” – CHC and HOU. Both got really lucky in free agency with Arrietta and Kuechel – I don’t know that they win any WS without those lotto tickets. This HOU team is really far removed from that rebuild IMO. They have built their staff for pennies on the dollar – I would say they have gone anti-tank as they have spent resources when the rest of the league is busy worrying about profit margins. Haha I was just reminded of the Pirates return for Cole which I hadn’t thought of in at least a year. People round these parts were calling it a decent trade I believe – I remember Moran was the guy that everyone needed to draft on their fantasy teams. The analytics backed it up! Teams have gotten so concerned with moneyball that they stopped playing baseball at some point. Spending resources is the new moneyball.
I would add the Nats to this group as well… 10 years ago they were not good. Granted that helped them draft #1 in back to back years- Strasburg and Harper- and then when Strasburg got hurt in 2010, allowed them to struggle at the end of the season -and get Rendon in 2011. Nats and Astros IMO very similar….
Would add at least for the Cubs with Arrieta that wasn’t free agency- but rather a trade with the Orioles.
I don’t want them to go full greed mode but their farm system isn’t good and they don’t seem to be able to make meaningful trades. And even when they do, like for Will Smith, they don’t even realize it for a few years (I’ll never ever ever forgive Bochy for not turning to him in the Great Bullpen Collapse of 2016). They don’t seem to have the ability to make progress any other way so full greed mode may be the only way. Fortunately for them they have a very wealthy fan base which seems to keep showing up to see Posey, Bumgarner et al and generally doesn’t seem to consciously realize or even care that the team is lousy.
With sliding scale pricing, tickets for Giants games sold for as little as six dollars a seat the last 1/3 of the season.
That 2016 Bullpen Collapse was something else. I don’t think people(you outside) remember just how awful that bullpen was. Compare to the kerosene that is percieved to be the Nats…
Giants ’16 lost 13 games when winning/tied after 8. 7 extra inning games.
Nats ’19 lost 11 games when winning/tied after 8. 6 extra inning games
looks pretty close. But the killer for the Giants was the back end. Giants lost 9 games when they led after 8. Nats only 3.
Which made the 2019 Giants Bullpen probably for Giants fans that much more frustrating.