Cardinals Ink Kyle Gibson, Continue Steady Restructuring of Rotation

The Cardinals’ 2023 season was disappointing, but it was anything but boring. The electric Jordan Walker cracked the Opening Day roster, tying a record for most games (12) with a hit to start a career for a player age 20 or younger. Then he went on to post what I can only assume (given the dearth of fielding statistics before 2000) is one of the worst defensive seasons by a rookie ever, costing St. Louis 16 runs per Defensive Runs Saved and 12 runs per Ultimate Zone Rating and Runs Above Average. Additionally, the Cardinals brought over veteran signal-caller Willson Contreras from the division-rival Cubs for $87.5 million, only to relegate him to DH and corner outfielder in May, then to just DH, before moving him back to catcher… all within the span of a week. And don’t even ask me, or Jack Flaherty for that matter, about the right-hander’s fastball velocity.
But Kyle Gibson is boring. Last year, the Cardinals were in the bottom 10 in baseball in ERA, FIP, xFIP, and SIERA, and at the General Managers Meetings a couple of weeks ago, Cardinals’ President of Baseball Operations John Mozeliak made clear the team’s desire to upgrade their pitching staff this offseason. But the Cards whiffed on Aaron Nola despite their early interest in the ace, and instead went with… Lance Lynn and Gibson?
Now, Gibson has his merits. As Leo Morgenstern notes in the very non-boring piece linked above, there’s obvious value in what the veteran provides: Even at 36, he can reasonably be counted on for 170ish average-ish innings. Since his full-season debut in 2014, he’s started more games than anyone else, and only Max Scherzer, Gerrit Cole, and Zack Greinke have covered more frames. Granted, of the top 65 pitchers in games started since 2014, only Patrick Corbin (4.54) has a higher ERA, but Gibson’s 4.48 mark isn’t bad at all. And if he can be counted on once every five days, that saves the Cardinals from calling up someone who might post an ERA in the 5.00s.
It’s unlikely that the veteran will hit another gear at this stage of his career; the Cards probably won’t get any more than what they paid for ($12 million, with a team option for 2025). But it’s worth noting that, after a pretty consistent pitch mix from 2014-20, Gibson’s repertoire has changed every season since. In 2021, he developed a cutter, and in 2022, he used it a lot more. His cutter continued to return value even with increased usage, but the rest of his pitches seemed to suffer as a result, and I pondered at the time what Gibson could do to find better pitch pairings.
Well, he found them in 2023. While the cutter itself was significantly worse by run value this season, that was offset by how well it paired with his sweeper, which Gibson used sparingly in 2022 but turned to 18.5% of the time in 2023. The right-hander notched whiffs on 23% of his sweepers, and the pitch’s success was due at least in part to how the cutter served as a bridge between the new offering and Gibson’s sinker by sitting in between their horizontal movements. Meanwhile, the sinker and sweeper worked well together by exhibiting a near-ideal (for the spin-mirroring effect) 7:15 spin-axis differential:
The one major downside to the sweeper is that it has more exaggerated platoon splits compared to a traditional slider. Gibson didn’t use it nearly as much against lefties, but perhaps he grew so accustomed to pitching off of it to righties that his process against southpaws wore down. If you discount 2020, lefties managed their best wOBA (.349) against Gibson since 2017 this past season. He does have a traditional slider too, and though he scrapped it entirely in 2023, it might be worth bringing back on occasion to use against opposite-handed hitters.
Yet even if he can maintain the sweeper’s success while neutralizing his platoon splits, any improvements at this stage of the veteran’s career are far more likely to stave off decline than turn him into an ace. But as long as he can continue to eat innings, Gibson serves as an apt counterweight to the other addition, or re-addition, to the Cardinals rotation this week. Whereas Gibson has never had an ERA below 3.62 or higher than 5.35 in 10 seasons since his full-season debut, Lynn has gone as low as 2.69 as recently as 2021 while going as high as 5.73 this past year. Maybe Lynn returns to form in his age-37 season and anchors the St. Louis rotation, but it’s equally likely that he’ll return to his 2023 form and be without a roster spot come summer.
The thing is, the Cardinals already had a pair like that in their rotation: Miles Mikolas and Steven Matz. They aren’t exactly alike — Mikolas doesn’t have the track record Gibson does and Matz hasn’t neared Lynn’s heights — but the same principles abide; Mikolas is a high-floor, low-ceiling innings-eater, while Matz is a volatile veteran who’s alternated between disaster and mid-rotation arm.
Those four don’t a playoff rotation make. As things stand, it wouldn’t get any better with the fifth spot, which would probably be filled by a work-in-progress type like Matthew Liberatore or Zach Thompson while top prospects Tink Hence and Tekoah Roby could use another year of seasoning. Mozeliak did say at the GM Meetings that the Cards needed to add at least two starters, and with just Gibson and Lynn in the bank as their first two reinforcements, fans should hope that the “at least” looms large.
Should they choose to add another starter, the Cardinals would have plenty of options. Nola was just the first domino to fall in a market flush with talent; while this year’s free agent position player class may be weak, Yoshinobu Yamamoto and Blake Snell headline a wealth of capable arms still available. If none of those appeal to St. Louis, perhaps due to monetary considerations, the team could leverage the weak position player class to float some of its own hitters in a trade for one of the many starters thought to be on the market — among them, Dylan Cease, Corbin Burnes, and Tyler Glasnow. After flirting with dealing from their glut of outfielders for a year, perhaps now is the moment the Cardinals have been waiting for.
So the jury’s still out on whether the Cardinals’ offseason, let alone their 2024 season, will be boring. But what’s clear is that they still have a lot of work to do in order to return to the perennial contention status that they’ve enjoyed for much of the 21st century.
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I think it’s wild that Lynn and Gibson signed for similar money. If you told me which one I would rather have, I would take Gibson in a heartbeat. Gibson is just a #4 starter but he’s never going to be any worse. Lynn has been a disaster recently, so while his upside is theoretically higher his median outcome is so much lower.
It is a 20% bump to go from Lynn to Gibson which seems about right. All of it is effectively the league minimum for an MLB starter.
Snoooooooooze.
I wonder if they paid a “familiarity” surcharge with Lynn or feel like they can get him back to what he was when in in STL.
Otherwise, I agree, that Gibson seems like a much better option.
Or maybe they think that the catcher determines how well a pitcher throws, so it doesn’t matter who they put on the mound? But they couldn’t actually believe that, right?
I agree that Lynn has been bad, but if you go from 2019 to 2022 he was somthing like 3rd in WAR among all pitchers in his league, and 7th in the MLB. Now that is obviously not anything to expect moving forward because 2023 happened, and I do not think there is anyway he is this bad.
He’s still striking guys out, so that’s good. So it’s not a guarantee that he’s toast. But he got hit really, really hard.
We are counting on mean and mode
Well, the Cards need a lot of pitching and this is a good start (but a bad place to finish).
Cards: we said we’d sign multiple starters, we didn’t say they’d be *good*
As Talleyrand once said about the Bourbons after Waterloo and the restoration, John Mozeliak has both learned nothing and forgotten nothing.
I’ll be really glad when they add another starter or two. My fellow Cardinals fans are driving me crazy with all this “sky is falling talk.”
To be fair, STL just came off their worst season since 1995. A lot of fans aren’t used to the losing. Aside from a couple of random seasons where they hovered just below .500, it’s been a really good long run.
Signing Gibson would be a much better move if the Cardinals had an above average defense to back him. If their below average defense from 2023 continues, it’s not going to help another more pitch-to-contact SP.
The defense should be much better, though. Arenado got past his defensive slump in the 2nd half. Walker is improving and will be either passable defensively or playing a lot more DH next year. Yepez was non-tendered. Burleson won’t get as much playing time next year (if he isn’t traded, anyway). A potentially healthier season from either O’Neill or Carlson (if one or the other isn’t traded) would add a significant bump to the OF defense. Winn is said to be really good defensively.
Their defense was shockingly bad last year, and their pitchers had one of the worst BABIP allowed in the past 25 years. While it won’t go back to what it was when they won the majority of the gold gloves, I do like the odds of a run prevention bounceback to some degree
Gibson at $12 million for one year is a legitimately decent deal. I’m just not sure it makes sense for STL after signing Lynn. They need to add at least 15 wins to their club to go from a 70-win team to a playoff-caliber 85 wins. Spending $22 million to add something like 3 wins isn’t nearly enough, especially with their self-imposed budget restrictions.
Lynn’s $10 million likely stops STL from bidding on good players. They had about $20 million to spend this offseason if they kept the same payroll as last year. I figured a modest increase of $20 million — giving them $40 million to spend — could land them a top-tier pitcher and a Gibson-esque starter. Now, they’ve got less than $20 million to spend, which won’t get them anywhere near the top arms. Obviously, a bigger increase in spending would help, but they just ran their lowest payroll relative to league spending in a long time — they’ll need to prove they are willing.
Sure, they’ve got assets to trade. Trading their chips for Cease makes sense, but that’s still not enough to get to 80 wins, and that’s still a mediocre rotation (STL’s 9.6 WAR by SP in 2023 almost identically matches that rotation’s projected WAR in ’24). It’s not like last year’s team was unlucky. They were legitimately bad, and their two star players are more likely to get worse, not better. And with a below-average farm system, they don’t have the chips to get Cease AND an early-arbitration stud starter or position player.
Arenado will actually probably be better next year now that his defense is back to normal, while the expected further decline by Goldschmidt should more than be made up for by development from their young players, most notably Walker.
Yes, it will be tough to get enough pitching with their remaining resources (and let’s not forget about the bullpen), but the offense is good enough just the way it is even if they trade a piece or two from it.
I’m not sure Arenado’s defense is back to normal. Is there a statistical basis for that? He finished the year with negative DRS and UZR/150, and he had the worst full-season offensive year in his career. He’s entering his mid-30’s and has had back issues, which can cripple a player. As for Walker, he showed little to no improvement in the field month-to-month, and he’ll be playing a lot of right field next season, so it’ll be difficult to improve more than a little bit. Other young players, like Donovan, Carlson, and Gorman, are decent players who are likely near their ceilings. Edman and Contreras are who they are.
I keep hearing about possible trades, but I’m not sure there is a lot of value. If Carlson is traded, STL has a gaping hole in their CF depth, and Carlson isn’t that valuable, anyway. Gorman has some value but not a ton. Burleson has little value. STL just placed 16th in positional WAR, and unless Walker has a meteoric rise, STL will likely end up in that range in ’24. Even with a possible Cease, that gives them average position players, average starters, and a dreadful bullpen.
Fans can always dream on O’Neill producing a few extra WAR, or Winn and Walker producing a few extra WAR, but that’s not realistic, especially for the 22 year-olds. Every team has players to dream on; it’s not conducive to building a contender.
Well… they did have the worst BABIP against of any team in the league. Just glancing at Fangraphs pitching leaderboards, only 7 teams have posted a worse BABIP against in the past 50 years.They also had the 4th worst LOB% in the league. So just based on BABIP regression and better sequencing luck they will almost certainly have better run prevention, even if Arenado is still an average defender and Walker is still a disaster (I’ll take the over on both of those). It’s certainly not clear that will be enough to make them a playoff team. And right now their pitching actually looks worse on paper right now than it did going into last year because Montgomery is gone.
Yeah, I’ve been on this train for a while now. If you just look at runs scored they mostly deserved their record (give or take the difference a bad bullpen and blown saves make). But when you go one level deeper to BABIP, they probably have some positive regression coming their way. Sure, their defensive personnel were worse, and sure their pitchers were getting crushed. But just by BABIP you’d think the Cardinals pitching staff was pitching in late 90s Coors Field
Everyone seems to like Gibson a bit better. I disagree. Granted Lynn had a high Era last year fir the whole year but for his last 11 games with the Dodgers it was down to 4.36. Not great but better than Gibson’s 4.73. Or for that matter better than Aron Nola’s 4.45. If Lynn takes up where he left off and if Busch helps him a bit with home runs then he should be better than Gibson.
Lynn’s 4.36 ERA with the Dodgers was a bit of a mirage. His underlying stats (6.61 K/9, 3.09 BB/9, 2.25 HR/9, 6.16 FIP) suggest that he was inordinately fortunate, in particular in that he gave up only 31 earned runs while giving up 16 HRs.
“Low ceiling” is an insult to a guy who has legitimately (not just being a charity pick for a bad team) made 2 All-Star teams. Yes, his best days are likely behind him at his age, but Mikolas hasn’t been just a high floor innings eater in his career since returning from overseas.
I am having a difficult time seeing the Cardinals improving with these two, barely serviceable, old pitchers in their rotation. With every signing it only magnifies the state of starting pitching in the game today.
Gibson and Lynn are two of the signings the Mets might have pursed if they’re not going for it (and short of a $400m payroll + tax they’re not likely to). Season with a Jordan Montgomery and you elide from 2023 to 2025 without persuading your fanbase to hate you, and you might even snag the third wildcard with some unexpected luck from Baty, Vientos, Mauricio, and Alvarez.
They don’t have much in the way of respectable 5th starters, and they need a lot, a LOT of innings, particularly since Senga and Quintana between them project for 50 starts, at most–leaving the Mets four durable starting pitchers short of a full deck.
Stearns is an odd duck, unfortunately—some FO guys seek to tell you as much as they can without giving away negotiating positions, while the other kind (unfortunately) tell you as little as they can get away with, as if running a baseball team was like helming a nuclear-armed submarine. I have yet to meet a Mets fan this offseason who has any real clue as to whether the team is aiming for 74 wins in 2024, or 88. That doesn’t leave fans interested and conjecturing, it leaves them baffled, irked, and focusing instead on football.
What a strange comment to make on an article about Kyle Gibson and the Cardinals.