Clayton Kershaw and 300 Strikeouts

Talk to any player in baseball and that player will tell you the most important thing is winning. That player will tell you he doesn’t care if he goes 0-for-4 if his team still wins the game. That isn’t always all true, but winning tends to be the priority, and at least in the moment, players don’t care so much about the numbers. It’s one of the many differences between baseball players and baseball fans. Players just want to go to the park and have their team get the job done. Fans want to consume as much baseball as they can, and that’s where the stats come in, to fill the void in between baseball games. Each day, a game entertains for three hours. That means numbers could conceivably entertain for 21 hours, given a particularly unhealthy individual.

Many of the best players in baseball are almost as entertaining on paper as they are on the field. Barry Bonds‘ player pages continue to amaze to this day, even though his career has been over for years. Clayton Kershaw is turning into a sort of pitcher version. Kershaw goes above and beyond what his own team would deem necessary. There’s no need for Kershaw to be this good. The Dodgers would still win if he were a little bit worse, but he’s not a little bit worse, so the numbers are like a toy box. If you want to observe Clayton Kershaw, and he’s not actively pitching, you can get by from looking at his statistics, because they’re like the numerical version of a perfectly-located curveball.

Kershaw pitched on Wednesday. He faced a lineup of players all worse than him, and he was something close to perfect, striking the hitters out 15 times. What that meant, for Kershaw, is that the Dodgers won a game against a division rival. What it means, for us: Kershaw has positioned himself to have a shot at 300 strikeouts.

I doubt that Kershaw really cares. I doubt that he’s thought about it. These thresholds are almost entirely for the fans and for the writers, but 300 strikeouts is a big one. There’s one person who’s asked me a few times in my chats whether I think we’ll ever see another 300-strikeout pitcher. I’ve been skeptical. I’m still skeptical, at least as far as this Kershaw is concerned, but the probability is increasing. As Jeff Passan noted:

Let’s think about this. 300 strikeouts for 2015 Clayton Kershaw? Kershaw doesn’t much care, but we’re our own people, and we get to choose what we care about. I’m choosing to care about this.

Passan was right about a few things. Kershaw, right now, has 251 strikeouts. He’s done that in 27 starts. Indeed, no one has reached 300 since Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling, as teammates, in 2002. Johnson also got there in 2001, and 2000, and 1999, and 1998. (And 1993.) Mix in some Pedro Martinez, and you have all the guys who’ve done it since Nolan Ryan in 1989. A few years ago, Yu Darvish got to 277. David Price, last year, got to 271. Pseudo-threats. Kershaw’s threat feels a little more real.

But I’m afraid Passan might be wrong about one thing. That one thing — “at least six starts left.” Doesn’t appear that way. Mike Bolsinger is about to start, having just been promoted, and no starter’s being skipped. Here’s how I figure Kershaw’s upcoming schedule:

  • 9/8 vs. Angels
  • 9/14 vs. Rockies
  • 9/20 vs. Pirates
  • 9/25 vs. Rockies
  • 9/30 vs. Giants

That’s five starts. October 4 is the Dodgers’ final regular-season game. Maybe Kershaw moves up on account of there being a few remaining off days, but that would be aggressive for a team that presently doesn’t need to be, and it would line Kershaw up to pitch in the final series against the Padres. That’s a start I’d be a little surprised if the Dodgers don’t skip. Especially if it’s on the last day. The Dodgers right now have a 6.5-game lead on second place. They’re probably not going to lose it. Odds are, the final series won’t really mean anything, and Kershaw will be rested so as to make sure he’s fresh to begin the NLDS. If he weren’t skipped completely — and, as I look at it, Zack Greinke wasn’t skipped last season — he’d be limited to a shorter, low-stress outing.

Ordinarily, one start isn’t a big deal, but right now Kershaw is 49 strikeouts away from 300, and there’s a big difference between having five or six chances to collect them. It’s the difference between 9.8 strikeouts per start, and 8.2. For the record, this year, Kershaw has averaged 9.3. If he were to have another six starts, he’d have a real good chance. With five starts more probable, our odds get slimmer.

Right now, again, Kershaw is at 251. Just plugging in rest-of-season projections, over five starts, you get him ending up at 289. Plug in what he’s actually done this season against those opponents above, and you get him ending up at 290. Plug in just his overall season averages and you get him ending up at 297. Oh, but that one is achingly close. Three away. It’s almost enough to convince a manager to give Kershaw a few innings of relief against the Padres, just to get there. If the manager cared about the numbers. Which he probably doesn’t. But maybe!

Looking at those same opponents, over the last month, to capture what they’ve been up to — none of them have been super high-strikeout teams. The Rockies have ranked 11th in descending order of strikeout rate. The Giants, 14th. The Pirates, 19th. The Angels, 24th. That doesn’t say anything about their performances against just lefties, and Kershaw is more than just some lefty, but there aren’t any swing-and-miss pushovers.

It is September. Rosters are expanding. For some teams, they’re just playing out the string. The Rockies are totally out of it, so maybe they’ll be easier to dismiss. Kershaw’s perhaps going to see them twice. The Giants might well be out of it by the end of the month, although, they’re still the Giants, playing against the Dodgers, so that won’t be a meaningless game, even if it’s a meaningless game. The Angels are alive. The Pirates are secure, but still playing hard.

Here’s another way to look at it, just staying focused on Kershaw. Kershaw needs 49 strikeouts for 300. He’s made 27 starts, so he’s had 23 five-start stretches. Over seven of those 23 stretches has he recorded at least 49 strikeouts. He’s topped out at 54. Over two more stretches, he’s recorded 48 strikeouts, which would qualify as a weird sort of heartbreaking in this instance. Just looking at 7 over 23, that would give Kershaw a 30% chance at reaching 300. Maybe it’s really more like 25%, or 20%, or 15%. You have to think about the opponents, and some possible regression toward the mean. But the chance is real, if relatively unlikely.

Let’s try the same simple math, but now figuring that Kershaw actually has another six starts. This year, he’s had 22 six-start stretches. Over 17 of those stretches has he recorded at least 49 strikeouts. That would put his odds at 77%. Again, probably high, but you get a sense of the importance of that sixth start. Not actual importance, but importance for these purposes. The sixth start might well be the whole difference between reaching the milestone, and falling just short.

And so here’s where we see how the numbers and the Dodgers might be in conflict. If you want to see Kershaw reach 300 strikeouts, you really want him to have another six starts. If Kershaw has to make that sixth start, it’s probably because something has gone wrong, and the Dodgers have slipped back close to the Giants. So close that they can’t afford to rest Kershaw with the future in mind. For the Dodgers, five starts would be good news. It means things finish easy. Six starts could also be good news, but it introduces the possibility of bad news. If the Dodgers get their way, they can spend the last weeks of the season partially resting up, and if that means Kershaw doesn’t get his 300th strikeout, so be it — they have bigger fish to fry. The number, ultimately, is important only to us, and maybe to Kershaw’s grandkids when he’s very old and very retired.

So, you pick what you want. The Dodgers will operate independent of that. Maybe Kershaw gets those six starts, and his 300th strikeout. Or, perhaps, he’ll get there in just five. Or four. Don’t count out four. Guy’s a freak.





Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.

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Matt
11 years ago

NLDS game 1 is October 9th, so Kershaw could make his final start on the 4th and still be on regular rest for the NLDS. Since they likely wouldn’t want him going 10 days between games, I wouldn’t be shocked to see them give him the start and let him go 5 or 6 innings just to let him stay busy.

Ivdown
11 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Sullivan

I thought I also heard they might skip a spot in the rotation some time in the next week or two, and that could put him right back at 6 possible starts.

Zack
11 years ago

Been waiting for this article since pitch number 132 last night. Thank you, sir.

avgjoe
11 years ago

bolsinger is going to start on friday, so kersh’s next start will be on 9/8. So, most likely kersh will get 5 starts

Rational Fan
11 years ago

Jesus.

So Sale is on the same path, and probably just as likely to do it (if not more likely) and fangraphs doesn’t even mention the guy in the article again. Asked why fangraphs didn’t break down Sale’s race to 300 after his 14-15 K game back to back, and was told it was because it was a weekend. Now were 3 weeks later, and still no mention of it.

Phil
11 years ago
Reply to  Rational Fan

It’s a good point as Sale is almost certain to get six starts.

Rational Fan
11 years ago
Reply to  Phil

On pace to pitch 41 innings the rest of the year – roughly – and record 56 strike outs in those starts which puts him right at 295.

Next week he faces Cleveland and Minnesota (struggled ERA wise vs them, but has K’ed them a ton). He’ll then face the Indians again, possibly the Tigers and then who knows.

I also find the AL pitchers quest much more impressive; to put it in small sample size perspective, Sale has faced a pitcher 6 times in his career (in a non-sac situation) and he struck him out 5 of those times. Sale doesn’t get the free strike outs that the NL grants you with the pitcher hitting. I’m not going to go back and look it up, but I’d imagine Kershaw has at least 30 K’s vs pitchers this year. The AL has deeper lineups throughout as well.

Michael
11 years ago
Reply to  Rational Fan

He’s actually at “just” 23 K’s vs. Pitchers this year. So a little lower than you (and I) thought, but still of significance.

Also allowed a homerun. To whom, you ask?
Well, that Mad Bum, of course…

BipMember since 2016
11 years ago
Reply to  Rational Fan

Madison Bumgarner is the only current Giants player to have homered off of both Kershaw and Greinke. That is incredible.

Bawfuls
11 years ago
Reply to  Rational Fan

Sale is at 239 K right now and his last start was on Tuesday, so he’s also likely to get 6 more starts at most.

His road to 300 is much steeper than Kershaws now.

Rational Fan
11 years ago
Reply to  Bawfuls

How do you figure? Right now he’s on pace to strike out 295 guys. Kershaw is “on pace” for 308 but that was before they moved his start back limiting him to only 5 more starts, instead of 6. Their projected totals, factoring in that, is now 299 to 295. They are neck and neck, and one guy hasn’t generated 30 free K’s with the pitcher.

Unless I am reading something wrong and Kershaw has 6 starts left; if that’s the case, then Kershaw has a better chance. I agree there.

Michael
11 years ago
Reply to  Bawfuls

But Sale is also pretty much the safest bet to go on a tear of 14-14-13 or something like that.
So…that would be 41 in 3 starts, leaves 2-3 starts to get 20.
If anybody can do it, it’s the Condor.

Sawnuel
11 years ago
Reply to  Michael

Michael Saunders?

Dave Mirra
11 years ago
Reply to  Michael

What? When did Mat Hoffman start pitching?
This could be Bo Jackson all over again.

Jorge Fabregas
11 years ago
Reply to  Bawfuls

Sale’s next start has been pushed back one day, FWIW. And it seems like a six man rotation in September is likely for the White Sox. Whether they would keep Sale on regular rest in that scenario is unknown. On the other hand, he (like most pitchers, I imagine) has a history of being very good on an extra day’s rest.

Rational Fan
11 years ago
Reply to  Jorge Fabregas

I think the White Sox are looking to slow down Rodon a bit down the stretch; so it will not be a full on 6 man rotation.

BipMember since 2016
11 years ago
Reply to  Bawfuls

and one guy hasn’t generated 30 free K’s with the pitcher.

but that guy is also going to continue to face pitchers.

Rational Fan
11 years ago
Reply to  Bip

I never said he wasn’t; I was stating why I find the AL quest more impressive.

Ivdown
11 years ago
Reply to  Bip

If you really need to quibble about it instead of just admiring both, sure. Kershaw is my all-time favorite pitcher, and Sale is my second favorite. I hope both reach it, and regardless of the circumstances it will be crazy impressive for both guys.

Herds Lanson
11 years ago
Reply to  Bawfuls

Didn’t Sale start the season on the DL? I don’t know how to check but I think April was pretty much his ST. Incredible.

huh
11 years ago
Reply to  Rational Fan

You really don’t think fangraphs spends enough time saying how great Sale is? I feel like they talk about him all the time. Didn’t Cameron recently call him the best pitcher in the league? This is a really strange thing to be offended about. Like “cardinals fans don’t spend enough time talking about playing the game the right way” or something.

Rational Fan
11 years ago
Reply to  huh

There has been three pieces written about Sale this year and one was a community piece – unless I’m missing something.

Chris Sale and Death by Diversity
Putting Chris Sale’s Strikeout Streak in Historical Perspective
Chris Sale and a Dominant June (community)

The last piece was written July 2nd.

Not sure I’d say that’s a lot of Sale fanfare compared to the other great players around the league.

Not sure if Cameron said something; only get the time to check in every now and then. Respect fangraphs enough to do player/article searches from them though.

L. Ron Hoyabembe
11 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Sullivan

I’m not sure if you’re being sarcastic, because despite Rational Fan not being the most pleasant commenter, he does have a point, and presumably articles have comment sections for precisely this sort of thing.

Jorge Fabregas
11 years ago

I’d say it’s worth mentioning in the comments that Sale has a path there as well, but there’s no reason to whine about it. There’s no obligation for equal time for every player in similar circumstances.

BipMember since 2016
11 years ago

All this comes down to how many starts Kershaw has left. For a while it looked like he was going to end the season with 33. If that was true, he was very likely to get to 300 after this start, which makes this article almost necessary to write. Now, a series of very-uncompelling developments regarding the Dodgers rotation plans have changed this assumption. I understand why someone is not following these very-uncompelling developments. But, Sale has always had only an outside shot.

L. Ron Hoyabembe
11 years ago

Obviously I don’t think you’re biased against Sale, that would be silly. I’m just saying that as an author, when one of your readers comments on your article with a legitimate point, that Sale was not even mentioned in passing despite being in almost the same situation, you shouldn’t be condescending towards them just because they are being shitty about it.

Com Truise
11 years ago

You shouldn’t respond in kind to an obnoxious poster, even when that obnoxious poster’s “good point” is nitpicking bullshit and his desired “resolution” is a one-sentence mention of a player on the team he constantly trolls these boards in support of. Learn some respect, Jeff!

awalnohaMember since 2017
11 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Sullivan

The simple solution, work on week ends you bunch of layabouts.

Rational Fan
11 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Sullivan

Really not sure why this offended you. I read your piece, and wasn’t attacking you personally; simply thought it was relevant to address the fact that Sale was on a similar quest in a tougher league.

Jesus was in a mocking tone, which seems difficult to portray online. When people start comments trying to bring up something else on here I frequently see them scream bias.

I don’t think there is an anti-Sale bias, or a Kershaw bias, I was simply addressing the fact that Sale is in the race as well and from my viewpoint has been more impressive in that particular arena this year (the k arena).

cs3
11 years ago
Reply to  Rational Fan

You were being a dick about it, as you are very frequently on this site. You sounded like an entitled, whiny, spoiled child who always expects to get exactly what he wants.

Rational Fan
11 years ago
Reply to  Rational Fan

Haha ok.

Maybe one day you’ll figure out that I am not the only person who posts as rational fan. I’ve probably made under 70 comments in 3 years on fangraphs.

David
11 years ago
Reply to  Rational Fan

You’re right. I can’t wait for you to start your own blog so I could read about Chris Sale all day, every day.

Ivdown
11 years ago
Reply to  David

I would probably read that

BipMember since 2016
11 years ago
Reply to  Rational Fan

How could Sale possibly be more likely to do it?

They have the same K rate. Kershaw has 12 more K’s. Sale started the day before Kershaw did. You’d have to be convinced:

-Sale will definitely get 1 more start than Kershaw
-Sale will definitely K 12 or more in that start

or

-Sale’s true-talent K rate is significantly higher than Kershaw’s

you have to be convinced of those two things to even consider them to be on same pace.

What are you doing man?

Rational Fan
11 years ago
Reply to  Bip

I already admitted that with the same amount of starts, Kershaw has the easier path. Not sure if you responded before reading all the comments or not. No biggie either way.

Mark Reynolds
11 years ago

If I still played every day, I’d have a chance too!

Joey Gallo
11 years ago
Reply to  Mark Reynolds

I’ve had 300 Ks in my last 661 professional at bats!

Miguel Sano
11 years ago
Reply to  Joey Gallo

Wait til next year!

PhilG
11 years ago
Reply to  Joey Gallo

I thought you spelled your last name with a C.

Or maybe I’m confusing you with your cousin Vinnie.

exxroxMember since 2016
11 years ago

Johnson also got there in 2001, and 2000, and 1999, and 1998. (And 1993.)

God

Damn.

What player has had a more interesting career path than the Big Unit? Kershaw is peanuts.

Phantom Stranger
11 years ago
Reply to  exxrox

He also played in an era when true aces were allowed to finish their games when going great. How many games this year was Kershaw pulled after the 7th inning despite cruising around 100 pitches? Kershaw is averaging 105 pitches per game this year. Even aces going great today are basically not allowed to throw a complete game before June unless it’s a no-hitter.

exxroxMember since 2016
11 years ago

He also played in a better offensive environment with smaller zones and less K’s on average.

dte421
11 years ago
Reply to  exxrox

Since we’re going there, Kershaw is 27 and has 1696 career K’s with a 154 career ERA+ and a 1.04 WHIP.

After Randy’s age 27 season, he had a 99 ERA+, 577 K’s, and a 1.43 WHIP. Let’s wait until Kershaw’s career plays out before calling him “peanuts,” especially in comparison to a guy who, while arguably the greatest lefty of all time at his peak, was roughly a league average pitcher who struck out a lot of guys until he turned 29.

Anon
11 years ago
Reply to  exxrox

Obligatory mention that Unit was skipped the last day of the 2001 season when he struck out 372 and was only 11 short of Ryan’s (modern) record. Dbacks had the playoffs wrapped up so no reason to start him. HIs opponent that day would have the Brewers who set a MLB record for Ks that day.

Ross
11 years ago
Reply to  Anon

He faced the Brewers once that season(just two weeks prior) and struck out 16 over 6.2 IP. He might have gotten there in four innings had Brenly let him go.

durn
11 years ago

I feel like he might care a little whether or not he gets 300. I mean if he was at 298 at the end he’d have to be at least a LITTLE disappointed.

Michael
11 years ago
Reply to  durn

We might see & hear one V. Edward Scully get a little teary-eyed and sentimental up in the booth, but a C. Edward Kershaw? Nope, not that guy…

durn
11 years ago
Reply to  Michael

I can’t imagine achieving something like that and not caring.

HAL9100
11 years ago
Reply to  durn

But you can appreciably imagine already being the best on Earth at your national pastime?

BigDaddyCool
11 years ago

I love Kersh and the Dodgers but man oh man 300 Ks is not as impressive as it was when Schilling and Big Unit did it. League offense is down so much, I’m not impressed by anything a pitcher does anymore. Seems like 100 no-hitters have been thrown this season. Couple guys almost getting to 20 Ks. This is borderline ridiculous. MLB needs to do something about offense and I’m not talking about “injecting” guys like Big Mac and Bonds back into the game.

Ball needs to be wound more tightly. Bottom of the strike zone needs to shrink. DH in both leagues. Eliminate defensive shifts like Manfred said. Eliminate pitch framing by using an automated strike zone.

*Unfortunately, the last two suggestions would turn the Pirates into a league average team, but some sacrifices need to be made for the greater good of the sport. I love the game anyway I can get it, but I’m worried about the youth with offense down to such pathetic levels.

Paul Kasiński
11 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

I’m one of these youths you’re worrying about, and I can tell you, you’ve got nothing to worry about. I’m much happier to watch a lot of strikeouts than I would be to see good tactics punished by shifts being banned and see the game sacrifice its two-way nature by expanding the DH. I agree that the bottom of the strike zone needs to shrink a bit, but I think that’s all we really need – and shifting doesn’t increase strikeouts, anyway.

Philip Christy
11 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

I absolutely hate the idea of eliminating defensive shifts.

KK-Swizzle
11 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

The most efficient, least invasive way of raising offense in 18 words: strike zone, strike zone, strike zone, strike zone, strike zone, strike zone, strike zone, strike zone, strike zone. And it doesn’t have to be automated either. Just change the rulebook definition to eliminate the “bottom of the knee” and “lefty” strikes and find a practical way to give feedback to and motivate umpires. Purity of the game intact? Yes. Higher entertainment value due to more runs being scored? Yes. Done.

Only Glove, No Love
11 years ago
Reply to  KK-Swizzle

Why on earth would any fan or player be opposed to automating the strike zone? I have never understood the resistance.

There would still be an Ump behind the plate, so no lost jobs…

And the technology is there, right?

Freaking drives me nuts how important the Umps are to the outcome of the games.

Twm
11 years ago

Because we all watched pitchers slowly expand the strike zone with pinpoint accuracy on the black, and we all thought it was awesome.

Honestly, I will never understand why so many want to reduce our national pastime to a series of previously recorded events. Review is a nice step forward, but fluid strike zones are not just antiquary, they are enjoyable: watching Maddux slowly push the black out an inch or two was among my favorite pastimes.

dl80
11 years ago

I couldn’t disagree more. Remember Eric Gregg?

L. Ron Hoyabembe
11 years ago

I am really skeptical of this claim that technology would be more accurate than human umpires, and I have never seen anyone satisfactorily explain why this would be the case.

BigDaddyCool
11 years ago

L Ron – Have you heard of pitch FX?

Captain Tenneal
11 years ago

I looked at it once and if pitchF/x made every call, offense would be boosted about 1 run per game, or just about back to the height of the Steroid Era. I’m all for it.

L. Ron Hoyabembe
11 years ago

BigDaddyCool- have you heard of PitchFX glitches?

Captain Tenneal- have you posted your work anywhere? I would like to read it.

L. Ron Hoyabembe
11 years ago

Also, while PITCHf/x might be accurate in defining a pitch’s location at the plate, there is still the trouble of defining the actual strike zone, which is not static and can change depending on the height and stance of the batter.

BigDaddyCool
11 years ago

CT – Now you’re speaking my language. If we can do an automatic K zone, maybe we don’t have to eliminate shifts and change the baseballs. And best of all – bye, bye pitch framing. Get that crap out of here.

So I think we can all agree that what we need is an automatic strike zone. It may be simple as that.

Make it happen, Manfred.

HAL9100
11 years ago

How do people like you even find this site?

BigDaddyCool
11 years ago

HAL9100 –

Pirates’ fan?

Captain Tenneal
11 years ago

L Ron, I will hopefully be submitting a community post on the subject in the next couple weeks. Keep an eye out for it.

BigDaddyCool
11 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

Good news (bad news for imposters)! I have officially registered my account. If someone knows how to add an avatar, and could help direct me, it would be much appreciated.

Com Truise
11 years ago
Reply to  BigDaddyCool

You need to go through a third party website called lemon party.

Eric
11 years ago

Very disappointed that Chris Sale isn’t mentioned.

Phillies113
11 years ago

Clayton Kershaw is absolutely incredible. Not to mention, he has one of the best baseball names ever. I hope he manages to get 300 K’s. If not, then, well…I dunno.

Phantom Stranger
11 years ago
Reply to  Phillies113

I’ve always been surprised no one in the press has come up with a nickname for Clayton since his last name begins with ‘K’. If Gooden hadn’t gotten it first, he should be called Dr. K.

dl80
11 years ago

Professor K? Hatin’ (on offense) Clayton? Pshaw Kshaw? Cursin’ (batters) Kershaw?

How about something more old timey? The looping lefty? The rifle? Even better, given his uniform number: .22 gauge.

mettle
11 years ago

Why so skeptical about a pitchers topping 300 again?
K rates are going up and up and up and SP innings are relatively steady.
Seems closer to inevitable than unlikely.

BipMember since 2016
11 years ago
Reply to  mettle

yeah this isn’t 300 wins. I think it’s goes without saying there will again be some pitcher that manages a high K rate than even Kershaw and Sale right now. I mean it wasn’t THAT long ago that Randy Johnson was closer to 400 K’s than 300.

Rational Fan
11 years ago
Reply to  Bip

That’s because he was throwing 260+ innings in a season.

BipMember since 2016
11 years ago
Reply to  Rational Fan

Yes, and he was closer to 400 K’s than 300. So, scale back his workload a bit and he’s still well over 300.

Gerry M
11 years ago

i am sure someone has said this before, but what’s so wrong with writing up as many articles as possible on the pitcher with the lowest career FIP since the deadball era? Kershaw right now, pending some decline in his later years, is an all time great. The only other pitcher born in the 20th century in the top 50: Sandy Koufax.

DavidJMember
11 years ago
Reply to  Gerry M

Not to take anything away from Kershaw, but it’s a little misleading to say “lowest career FIP” when you’re comparing a 1,500-inning career-in-progress (that hasn’t yet had a decline phase) to full careers two or three times as long. It’s an apples-to-oranges comparison.

Kershaw has a 2.64 FIP over 1572.1 innings. Other pitchers have had stretches of as many or more innings with a lower FIP. For example:

Koufax had a 2.16 FIP in 1632.2 innings from ’61-’66.

Pedro had a 2.40 FIP in 1624.2 innings from ’96 to ’03.

Maddux had a 2.59 FIP in 1675.1 innings from ’92 to ’98.

Johnson had a 2.61 FIP in 2122.2 innings from ’95 to ’04.

Seaver had a 2.51 FIP in 2467.2 innings from ’68 to ’76.

Those are just a few I looked up off the top of my head, so it might not be an exhaustive list (though I doubt a formal query would turn up many more names). There’s no disputing that Kershaw is already in the company of all-time greats, but I just wanted to put things into perspective a little bit.

BipMember since 2016
11 years ago
Reply to  DavidJ

The pro-Kershaw response is that he is currently in his peak and may yet put up a streak of that many innings with a FIP much lower 🙂 but you’re absolutely right, unless his career is cut short, his career FIP will almost certainly be higher by the time he retires

DavidJMember
11 years ago
Reply to  Bip

Right, he certainly has a good chance to improve on that, especially since his total includes his first couple seasons when his walk rate was still high. So we probably haven’t seen the best 1,500-inning stretch of Kershaw’s career yet. But for now, this is what he’s done, so that’s all we have to go on for comparison purposes.

Also, while I’m at it, I can’t believe I forgot to look up Clemens. His best stretch:

2.63 FIP in 1799.1 innings from ’86 to ’92

Adam
11 years ago
Reply to  Bip

Good point. And Kershaw’s numbers also include his first couple of non-peak Kershaw seasons. A more apt comparison might be what other pitchers have done through their age 27 season, with at least 1,500 innings. Or maybe even just their first 1,500 innings in the league.

Of interesting note, probably the greatest pitcher of the live ball era through his age 27 season? Bert Blyleven.

DavidJMember
11 years ago
Reply to  Bip

Good call on Bert, Adam. His best stretch:

2.58 FIP in 1745 innings from ’71 to ’76

Adam
11 years ago
Reply to  Bip

Blyleven has the most fWAR through his age 27 season. But Kershaw is tied with Clemens for the lowest FIP- through his age 27 season (minimum 1500 innings) at 67 and Kershaw has the lowest ERA- at 64, Clemens second at 69. All that to say, what he has accomplished at this point in his career is nothing less than remarkable.

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11 years ago

Two starts against the Rockies? I wouldn’t put it past him to get 24-30 of the remaining Ks against them. Which means he just has to coast against everybody else

BipMember since 2016
11 years ago

I’m not sure I agree with the premise that fans care about the non-win numbers more than players do. Players have a financial incentive to care about personal numbers. I think they just know better than to publicly appear to care too much about personal numbers

Ryan J
11 years ago

Speaking of impressive baseball feats, there better be an article tomorrow about how Bryce Harper just scored 4 runs and 1 RBI on 4 walks, WITHOUT SWINGING THE BAT A SINGLE TIME

Captain Tenneal
11 years ago
Reply to  Ryan J

The MLB scoreboard page at ESPN said he drove in 4 with 4 walks and my mind was blown. “He drew 4 bases-loaded walks?!” I asked myself incredulously, clicking on the box score. Alas, it was just a mistake. It’s still up there, though.

bcpkid
11 years ago

I’m really offended that Matt Harvey wasn’t mentioned in the comments about Chris Sale.

ReuschelCakes
11 years ago
Reply to  bcpkid

bcpkid: it seems crazy that you didn’t mention Archer in your comment about Harvey. What an injustice.

durn
11 years ago
Reply to  bcpkid

I hate Matt Harvey.

Only Glove, No Love
11 years ago

I’m offended that the St Louis Cardinals were not mentioned in the article or the comments or in the comments on the comments about Sale.

Tommy Lowe
11 years ago

Great article, but you forget to mention something.

Curt Schilling struck out 319 in 1997, 300 in 1998, 316 in 2002, and I’ll throw in the 293 he struck out in 2001 as well.

Captain Tenneal
11 years ago
Reply to  Tommy Lowe

I think the craziest thing is that he only struck out 200 batters once, apart from those seasons.

The Dude Abides
11 years ago

Hey Jeff, Bolsie is only starting today in order to give the rest of the rotation an extra day of rest. It’s a one-time thing. So with that in mind:

9/8 vs. Angels
9/13 vs. Rockies
9/18 vs. Pirates
9/23 vs. Rockies
9/28 vs. Giants
10/3 vs. Padres

That last start will likely be a shortened one (5 or 6 innings), unless the Dodgers absolutely need a victory. In addition, it’s quite possible that Bolsinger replaces Latos as the #5 starter down the road if he pitches well today.

BipMember since 2016
11 years ago

You’re assuming that they will skip a starter on off days, pitching every five days, when all year they’ve stuck with a five-man rotation and pitched him every five games. So, since they have an off-day between the 8th and 13th, Kershaw would next start on the 14th, and thereafter on the 20th because of an off day on the 17th. Then 25th, 30th, and likely not again for the season, unless the bring him in relief on the 4th to keep him warm or something.

The Dude Abides
11 years ago
Reply to  Bip

Then that is what they will likely do. After today, Bolsinger will likely take the #5 spot, and then get skipped when there’s an off day. It will give the brass a chance to see how well he pitches out of the pen. If he can go one full time through the order, that’s much better than watching three or four of Howell, Nicasio, Baez, and Johnson get lit up like a Christmas tree.

BipMember since 2016
11 years ago

I just don’t understand why they would have a 5-man rotation all year, starting once every 5-games, and then suddenly switch to a intermittent 4-man rotation, making all of their starters get a maximum of 4 days of rest, entering what will likely be their most meaningless stretch of the season. Why would they do that? Why would they change the rotation so Kershaw and Greinke get less rest going into the playoffs?