Coronavirus Concerns Reach the Majors
Like a fast-moving prospect, the novel coronavirus — or rather, concerns about what precautions to take in order to protect players amid the epidemic caused by its spread — has reached the majors. No games have been canceled yet, but on Monday, after a conference call with all 30 team owners, Major League Baseball announced its plans to join forces with the National Basketball Association, the National Hockey League, and Major League Soccer in limiting media access to players due to concerns about the COVID-19 outbreak. As of Tuesday, locker rooms and clubhouses have been temporarily closed to news media and any non-essential personnel, with media access to uniformed personnel shifted to designated locations, and barriers have been put in place to enforce a minimum distance of six feet between reporter and subject.
A barrier area has been set up for reporters outside the Yankees clubhouse: pic.twitter.com/rTmftoDa94
— James Wagner (@ByJamesWagner) March 10, 2020
Admittedly, this is hardly the biggest sacrifice to be made at a time when schools and other institutions are being closed, and people are getting sick or even dying amid an epidemic that has infected over 113,000 people in 110 countries and appears to be rapidly advancing in the US, with 647 confirmed cases and 25 deaths spread across 35 states as of Tuesday afternoon (the estimated total number of people infected in the US may be an order of magnitude higher, but a shortage of tests is slowing the pace of confirmations). Yet it’s a move that should hit home to anybody reading this, not only because the quality of the coverage will suffer but because the decision highlights the tension between for-profit leagues and public health concerns. It also raises questions about the steps that the league has not yet taken and what could happen if even more drastic measures are required.
Outside of the US, COVID-19 has already made its impact felt in the world of sports, as events in soccer, cycling, European Tour golf, rugby, Formula One racing, women’s hockey, World Cup Alpine skiing, and more have either been canceled or closed to the public. The wave has now reached the US, with the BNP Paribas Open tennis tournament and the Ivy League men’s and women’s conference basketball tournaments both canceled while NCAA Division III basketball games are being held in empty arenas.
As far as baseball goes, two weeks ago in Japan, Nippon Professional Baseball decided to play the remainder of its preseason games in empty stadiums, and on Monday, the league announced that it will delay the start of its season, originally scheduled for March 20, for both its Central and Pacific Leagues. Meanwhile, in South Korea, the Korean Baseball Organization canceled all of its preseason games, and on Tuesday announced that the opening of its regular season, scheduled to begin on March 28, would be delayed indefinitely as well.
Thus far, MLB has no plans to curtail spring training, delay the start of the regular season (which begins on March 26), play games without fans present, or move them to venues where the outbreak is less of a concern. Such contingencies are being considered, however, and league officials plan to remain in contact with local and national health authorities to determine whether more extreme precautions should be taken. After establishing an internal task force, some initial measures by the league have already been communicated to the 30 clubs, advising team medical personnel to ensure that players’ vaccinations, including the 2019-20 flu, are up to date, that protocols to properly disinfect the clubhouse and training room are put in place, and so on. In one measure that has already been felt during spring training, the task force advised teams to distribute pre-signed player autographs on baseballs and cards instead of handling items back and forth with fans.
On Monday, commissioner Rob Manfred spoken to the 30 teams for the first time about their contingency plans. After consulting with experts in public health and infectious diseases, the league signed on to a joint statement in conjunction with the other major sports:
A multi-league joint statement on locker rooms / clubhouses: pic.twitter.com/VCddSdoy21
— Hannah Keyser (@HannahRKeyser) March 9, 2020
As the photo from the Wagner tweet above illustrates, MLB is asking players and reporters to observe the Centers for Disease Control’s recommendation of maintaining a six-foot distance during interviews. The word “temporary” is an important one in the joint statement, as many members of the media and their outlets fear that such a move could be used as a first step in restricting access on a more permanent basis. Reporters in other sports might be more cavalier about such access, and it’s already an uncomfortable facet of postseason baseball that leads to more homogenized coverage, but it’s the foundation of daily baseball reporting throughout the regular season. Genuine insights are far more likely to come via one-on-one conversations between a player and a skilled reporter whom has earned his trust than they are when that same player faces a swarm of raised hands in a press conference.
As the New York Post’s Joel Sherman put it:
I am not wise enough to know if restricting media from clubhouses is a good preventive measure against coronavirus. I do know daily coverage of teams will be worse for it. Good relationships and stories do not often come from press conferences and mixed zones.
— Joel Sherman (@Joelsherman1) March 9, 2020
The Boston Globe’s Dan Shaughnessy offered a more detailed explanation:
Let me stop here to once again scratch my head at the number of fans who hunger for information about their favorite players/teams while routinely harpooning and mocking those who actually provide such content, a/k/a the beat reporters. It is the beat reporters who spend thousands of hours cultivating sources, panning for nuggets in big league locker rooms across America. It is not fun. It is exhausting, often demeaning, and frequently fruitless. But without that work, there would be little fuel for fans and professional bloviators.
And that work, my friends, cannot be done in overcrowded, sanitized “mixed zones,” or Pentagonesque briefing sessions designed to promote the message of the teams without uncomfortable disclosures. Simply stated, your sports reporters need access to “the room” to develop trust, to talk to players one-on-one, to find out what is really going on. This is rarely done in the “mixed zone.”
To its credit, MLB — which already has the best access of the aforementioned leagues — appears to recognize the sensitivity of the media concerns, which it addressed in a separate statement that reads in part, “Access for and coverage by the BBWAA and all media are vital to our game and we hope to resume normal operations as quickly as possible. We appreciate the media’s cooperation with this temporary step, which is being taken out of an abundance of caution for the best interests of all.”
While some players will certainly welcome the additional distance produced by this temporary setup, others realize that they have much to lose. Reds first baseman Joey Votto provided The Athletic’s C. Trent Rosecrans a thoughtful answer on this topic:
I asked Joey Votto about clubhouse access in general — not in this specific case — but whether he would welcome this ban on a permanent basis. This is his answer: pic.twitter.com/Pa4oGpKkSC
— C. Trent Rosecrans (@ctrent) March 10, 2020
The BBWAA (of which this scribe is a member) responded to MLB’s statements with one of its own, expressing disappointment at the closures, even as a temporary step:
Statement from the BBWAA: pic.twitter.com/IDNDHCreuJ
— BBWAA (@officialBBWAA) March 10, 2020
Right now, this boils down to a series of inconveniences within a sector of the entertainment industry, albeit one whose revenues have exceeded $10 billion in each of the past two years and whose activities have a ripple effect throughout other sectors of the economy. Again, such measures are hardly the most crucial issue amid this outbreak, but they do represent a significant hindrance for hundreds of players and media members simply trying to do the best jobs that they can. And below the surface of what’s been said by the league are bigger concerns that have yet to be addressed. First of all, if the issue is protecting players from the spread of the virus, then it’s not as though reporters are the only ones from whom they need protection:
This is all theater. How are reporters any more risk to players than the dozens of other people they come in contract with who work for teams?
There were more clubbies and PR people in the Red Sox clubhouse this morning than reporters. https://t.co/TtJ7blRPMS
— Pete Abraham (@PeteAbe) March 9, 2020
Here it’s worth noting that several members of the defending champion Nationals — Patrick Corbin, Daniel Hudson, Kurt Suzuki, Trea Turner, and Ryan Zimmerman — played golf with president Donald Trump on Sunday in West Palm Beach. The outing came after two congressmen, Rep. Doug Collins of Georgia and Rep. Matt Goetz of Florida, had contact with Trump and subsequently announced that they had self-quarantined upon learning they had previously been exposed to someone who had subsequently been diagnosed with coronavirus. Yet there has been no mention of the players self-quarantining as well in order to protect their teammates.
Second, if social distancing measures are being mandated with respect to clubhouses, then the question remains as to how the league and its teams can justify packing tens of thousands of fans — whose health they have no way of monitoring, unlike their own players, and who are likely to be at greater risk than the athletes given their ages and physical conditions — into ballparks on a daily basis. Obviously they’re loathe to forgo the potential revenues, while cancellations or empty ballparks would also put many stadium employees out of work.
Via The New York Times, in its coverage of the canceled BNP Paribas Open, “Medical experts remain divided over the benefit of canceling mass events in locations that are not hot spots for the virus, or whether the people who might have attended these events are any safer simply going through their everyday lives, especially those who live in major metropolitan areas.”
As Yahoo! Sports’ Hannah Keyser noted, games in California and Seattle, where the COVD-19 outbreaks have been more acute than elsewhere in the country, face different levels of concern than those in areas where the virus has less of a foothold. For her article, Keyser spoke to an expert in infectious diseases:
The league’s ultimate calculus regarding attendance in the time of the coronavirus will include careful consideration of the incredible financial loss and cultural impact of conceding ticket and concession sales and the energy of full stadiums to the epidemic — but what about exclusively from a public health standpoint? Should Major League Baseball consider barring fans from games on Opening Day and beyond?
“It is an effective infection control mitigation strategy. There’s no question about that,” said Cameron Wolfe, associate professor of medicine in the division of infectious diseases at Duke University health system.
While not as contagious as some historic epidemics — “I’d much rather sit next to the person that has coronavirus than measles,” Wolfe said — the coronavirus possesses a couple of key characteristics that makes big venues like baseball stadiums particularly dangerous. First, that it has a better ability than something like the flu to survive on surfaces outside the body. And, critically, that a lot of infected people don’t know that they are.
“I think what’s becoming clear is that for younger, healthier individuals, they don’t necessarily feel super sick. And so they may not feel sick enough to give up their basketball ticket, or the first game of the Mets,” Wolfe said. “And so they’ll show up, unaware that the 80-year-old that’s got the ticket beside them is actually much more prone for a much more severe outcome should they get the virus as a result.”
Elsewhere within a piece that’s well worth reading, Keyser mentioned the April 29, 2015 game between the White Sox and Orioles in Baltimore, which was played behind closed doors amid civic unrest stemming from the death of Freddie Gray, an African-American man who died in police custody 10 days earlier. Because so much security was needed elsewhere in the city, after postponing the series’ first two games, Major League Baseball and the teams made the decision to play the finale without fans, a first in MLB history. The press box was packed with reporters for that contest, making for a very surreal scene.
Could such a situation become the new normal throughout baseball, at least for the short term? Again, the league has no immediate plans to pursue closed doors or cancellations, but one need only look to developments such as that in Italy’s Serie A football to appreciate the fluidity of the situation, as things can quickly change. Last Wednesday, the Italian government announced that all sporting events in the country would take place without fans present for at least a month. Five Serie A matches were played in empty stadiums over the next few days, but with the number of confirmed COVID-19 cases growing rapidly, as of Tuesday all sporting events throughout the country have been canceled, and an entire nation of 60 million citizens is in lockdown.
[UPDATE: Just a few hours after this piece was published, the Seattle Times reported that Washington governor Jay Inslee is expected to announce plans to restrict gatherings of more than 250 people, a move aimed at sporting events, concerts, and other cultural events. The Athletic’s Evan Drelich subsequently reported that the Mariners could temporarily play their regular season home games at their Peoria, Arizona spring training facility if Seattle is not an option. With Inslee’s ban in effect through March and perhaps longer, at the very least the team’s first two series, against the Rangers and Twins, will have to be relocated.]
All of which is to say that a week or two from now, MLB and other leagues — to say nothing of the rest of the US — may need to confront a different reality than they’re facing today. I can’t advise holding your breath while waiting for Opening Day to go down as planned, but please cough and sneeze into your elbows, wash your hands frequently, read up on the virus from trusted sources, and stay safe.
Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.
I understand that for MLB and for individual teams, playing games in front of empty stadiums is hard to stomach, especially all the lost revenue. Yet I think that doing what they can to make sure that the games themselves can go on (unlike in Italy) would probably be prudent. The downside risk for MLB (and other leagues) in pretending that nothing is really wrong is massive, and I can’t really understand why they’re ignoring it.
The NCAA just announced that March Madness will be played in empty arenas with no fans. We will probably see a wave of similar decisions soon. The downside of an MLB or NBA game becoming a vector is just too huge in too many ways.
Hoo boy and now the NBA just suspended its season after Rudy Gobert tested positive for the virus. I don’t think we’re getting baseball in a few weeks.
Why not just start the regular season in Florida and Arizona? Fans are not going to be allowed to watch for the foreseeable future so instead of chartering jets to play games in empty stadium’s across the country, they might as will recoup some of their losses by playing in the spring training facilities where the weather is warmer and the transportation costs are much lower.
It’s a terrible situation all around, but I don’t think it’s necessarily fair to compare the numbers of the media to the numbers of individual team staff players interact with. MLB has no jurisdiction over how many team employees players interact with or how close the contact is, but up until now, they have required that players interact with the media.
I’m sure every team is taking the situation VERY seriously and trying to limit unnecessary contact within the clubhouse as much as possible. Anecdotally, it feels like I’ve seen more illness-related scratches in spring training than usual. I know just for the Cubs, Jose Quintana, Yu Darvish, David Ross and TV color guy Jim Deshaies have each missed multiple games with illness.
Yeah pretty much every time I’ve seen a notice of a player scratched with “flu-like symptoms” I’ve taken a pause.
Flu B is really bad this year (the vaccine is for flu A- which roughly put is the strain vaccine makers think will become dominant- you have to plan vaccine production pretty far ahead of flu season). Sometimes the vaccine isn’t particularly effective, but this year it’s a different strain is more prevalent than people thought it would be.
The inactivated vaccine (flu shot, likely Flucellvax) is for 2 A strains and 2 B strains. The problem is not that we dont vaccinate for B, but that the circulating B strain and H3 strain are only 50% matches with the vaccine strains this year. It doesnt mean that the vaccine does not work, in the simplest terms, flu rates would be twice as high without it. We also dont really have a measure for how much the vaccine reduces severity, as the the only “protection” correlate is serum antibody response.
So journalists can’t come within six feet of players, but MLB is fine with fans sharing armrests? I’m surprised this isn’t being viewed as yet another PR blunder made by MLB.
Players are paid to be there while fans pay to be there. Big difference.
No one is forcing anyone to be there. Let’s not act like these ballplayers are indentured servants.
Mike Trout’s health is a lot more important to the MLB than yours. Why is that hard to understand?
>First of all, if the issue is protecting players from the spread of the virus, then it’s not as though reporters are the only ones from whom they need protection
I have seen this type of argument form a number of people and it totally misses the point. We are never going to be able to 100% protect people unless we shutdown all society for weeks. We instead need to evaluate each individual interaction as a potential chance to spread the disease.
Postponing the season has a huge downside. Preventing fans from attending games has a huge downside. Requiring players to cut off all social activity has a huge downside. Banning reporters from the clubhouse has a very small downside. Yes, it is not nearly as effective as the other three options, but it is an easy sacrifice to make and one that can start having an impact immediately. Everything else either has an enormous cost associated with it or we have time to wait until we are closer to opening day to make the call.
This just isn’t true; the reason we quarantine is not to “stop” the virus, it’s to slow it. We only have 924,000 hospital beds in the country, and 600k+ are occupied by people who are sick with other things. 10-15% of Coronavirus cases require hospitalization, the projection is for 40-70% of the country to get it. That’s 100+ million people, and that requires hospitalization of 10,000,000+; we don’t have the infrastructure or the healthcare system to manage that. It has led to unnecessary deaths in places like Italy. While I am not at risk personally, I am a danger to others who are more vulnerable as a carrier.
Replied to the wrong message; my apologies.
There are probably at least three times as many actual cases of coronavirus out there as have been reported; there are 1000 reported cases but because someone decided to fire the person in charge of global pandemic responses in the executive branch and not replace them, the tests are being rationed. Based on countries that actually have tests, 25 deaths means you’re probably looking at about 3000 cases, not a thousand (probably even higher than 3K, but I have nothing to back that up aside from that link Jay provided). And because a good chunk of people with novel coronavirus never develop serious symptoms (or, if they do, they’ve already infected others in the latency period) they’re off there infecting others.
So I hate to break it to everyone, but in about two weeks absolutely nothing that involves large crowds is going to happen. We’re going to be in the midst of a full blown panic as people start realizing that the number of cases is far larger than the official tally, and as people drawing social security checks start dying (among those who get treatment, it seems to mostly kill older adults and immune-compromised people, which is hardly much of a consolation). Everything that is not cancelled is going to be cancelled. That means opening day is going to have no fans, if it even happens at all. And this is before we start thinking about what happens if it nails a clubhouse, which will probably cause forfeitures or cancellations of games themselves.
And as much as it sucks, it is probably a good idea. I love baseball but if playing in front of an empty stadium is going to keep people from dying, I’m all for it.
I’m under the impression that teams essentially can’t operate without gate. Like, they can do it for a while, but not as long as we think. This is definitely true for the NBA, where in stadium ops money is a huge deal. I dunno about baseball- it’s a much more complicated financial picture. But they could be in the same boat.
I think you could be right. There’s a lot of details I don’t know, but here are the questions I’d be asking:
-If they cancel games will TV networks sue to get money back?
-How much do stadium operations cost if there are no fans?
One thing I am pretty sure about:
-I don’t think MLB is going to get away with not paying the players, even if games are canceled.
MLB teams are probably taking a huge bath on this either way, but the question is how much they lose. The answers to those first two questions are going to determine whether they’re better off playing the games in front of an empty audience vs. just canceling altogether.
TV Networks won’t pay annual rights fees for unplayed games. For that reason, I think they’ll play empty stadium games. Teams can afford it—the gate is nice, and big, but the Rays haven’t gone bankrupt, and they play in front of an almost empty stadium all the time.
I think it would be hugely important for the games to go on, even in empty stadiums—the costs are already there (salaries) and the revenue goes down even more if they don’t play at all. More importantly, for the sanity of a quarantined nation, we have to have something to watch!
That’s what I figured. If that’s the case, the cost of operating the stadium for an empty game is going to pale in comparison to losing the TV money.
Haven’t the Marlins been running this experiment for years now?
this is my concern with the ownership group! That they did it to extract rents but without the, you know, rents!
Just a quick update on this: Today the governor of Washington banned every gathering of more than 250 people. Get ready for more of this.
Aaaand the NBA just suspended the season. Probably a decent chance baseball doesn’t start at all until April.
…what happens if the Nationals get sick (and/or spread the disease to clubhouse attendants/org staff/the public/etc.) because they decided playing golf with the president was more important than their day jobs or public safety? Are there other restrictions on players, team staff? Who’s looking out for scouts? Politics aside, prevention doesn’t work if it only applies/supports people at a certain income level…
(this isn’t a complaint about Jay’s piece as much as it is frustration about the wrong priorities and wrong people empowered, which is nothing new to baseball fans, of course)
This is true. The season will be stillborn. Maybe they can get a half a season in after July. All crowd events will be cancelled within 2 weeks and this will kill thousands of elderly and others very quickly
I actually didn’t understand the Nationals anecdote. The Nationals players were not in contact with anyone who is known to have the virus or even anyone who is known to have been in contact with someone else who has the virus. At that point, you’re talking three degrees of separation as opposed to one degree of separation. It makes sense not to treat those the same.
This is all silly. The players will get exposed at some point; everyone will. But they will likely have such minor symptoms that they probably won’t get tested. I am not sure why people think half a season after July would be a possibility—there is no reason to think things won’t be worse in July than they are in March.
It’s possible that the virus is seasonal and we will have a respite as we move into summer.
Possible, but no one knows this. It’s a different virus. We literally do not know if weather affects it. People want to believe it’s going away on its own in a few weeks. This is not a fact, however.
The financial hit (of lost attendence) will also be taken by people who can easily afford it. Many at the games will have no health insurance and live hand to mouth, unable to take 2 weeks of no pay to recover.
Those articles/tweets from Shaughnessy and Sherman read more than a little tone deaf. Given the level of panic out there – my local supermarket is a) out of toilet paper, b) out of hand sanitizer, and has posted signs roughly indicating they might not have any back in stock ever, and c) empty – I don’t think many people are going to be too upset that they’re missing a few postgame pressers. I think it’s more likely that those games won’t be happening at all, or if they are that they are played in empty stadiums.
Agreed. Jay’s article is pretty non-committal on the topic, but even Fangraphs cancelled its Phoenix meetup. Avoiding other people or taking steps to limit person-to-person interaction is happening. I don’t necessarily feel sorry for reporters who don’t get to talk to players in the clubhouse for a few weeks.
Yeah, me neither. My company is losing millions a day; sorry if Reporters have their access restricted a bit.
Yeah, that BBWAA statement is downright embarrassing IMO. It basically says “yeah, there is a potential/imminent pandemic but we should be above preventative measures because we are such great writers”
I love baseball and reading about baseball. But that level of self importance in a time like this is high level stupidity.
They may change their tune if one of the players tests positive. This could be helping to keep the writers healthy.
If Emil Cioran were a baseball writer, I don’t think he’d think any of this makes a whit of difference.
Speaking as the OG Shirtless fangraphs poster, this must be how cult leaders feel, lol.
What that saying about “Imitation is….”?
Yer OUTTA HERE!!!
Joe West, shirtless? #BigUnsexy
The real tragedy is that the crowds were ever there in the first place.
Were there ever real crowds, tragedy would there place first.
If there are no crowds, we might as well be pantsless too.
Looks like shirtlessness has gone viral!
May as well all stay home. No need to wear a shirt.
Speaking of tone deaf tweets and statements, check out the President of the US sometime. Point being: Concern by writers that their professions are in danger makes a lot more sense than the dangerous nonsense coming from 1600 Pennsylvania.
For a numbers oriented crowd people seem to be unable to crunch the numbers on this and do a proper risk assessment. Those under 50 are just getting mild symptoms like any other virus. So basically if you are going to restrict attendance, do so for anyone over 50 to protect them. Also, 100,000 cases in a population of 8 billion. Do the math. Even a 1000 fold increase is just a normal flu season
Wait a while.
By delaying the spread through cancelling large events we can avoid taxing the healthcare system and hugely cut down mortality. The real issue is when you have to triage to the point where you’re kicking anyone over 65 out of the hospital (like in Lombardy right now, apparently). A lot of people are gonna die who probably didn’t need to. You can mitigate a lot of impact just by lowering the flow of cases.
This article from Vox explains in greater detail what DukeWinslow wrote. Canceling public events likely won’t reduce the total number of cases. But it will spread the cases out more so that the health care system isn’t overwhelmed.
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/10/21171481/coronavirus-us-cases-quarantine-cancellation
We will be hearing a lot about “flattening the curve” over the next few months. Good article.
also, if you somehow have 6 spare hours or so
https://apps.who.int/gpmb/assets/thematic_papers/tr-6.pdf
This is absolutely right. Half the population of the US is going to get this (if not more), probably soon; it’s in the wild, and is not exactly “containable.” But if you can keep the rate of people going to the hospital at a large but not exponential rate of growth, you can actually treat everyone.
Yes, this is the main point. People in Italy right now are dying when doctors deem them “too far gone” because they need to assist those with more of a chance. That’s not a fair healthcare system, but it’s what they have to do given their resources. That means some people will die that didn’t have to, and that’s terrible.
The USA is in even a worse position given it’s population, and healthcare system in general. Many people can’t afford doctors visits; they can’t afford to miss work, so they are going about their days illness or not and spreading it.
Why do you think that young people can’t transmit the disease to old people?
Currently, there are 121,000 confirmed cases in the world and the CDC reported that each person likely infects around 2-3 others. This means that right now there are 242,000-363,000 other individuals worldwide with the virus that we do not know about yet. Those undetected are now able to infect 2-3 others as well. This scales very quickly and before you know it there will be millions of cases.
The confirmed number is also artificial because the USA simply does not have tests; there are some, but not nearly enough to test and properly report the cases.
It don’t know how to emphasize this point enough. The US has tested 6500 people, and has 1000 confirmed cases. That’s because the US is rationing tests for people who have been hospitalized.
There have been 25 deaths in the US, and about 75 deaths in South Korea. The health care systems are comparable in a lot of ways, populations aren’t that different in terms of health (ours is worse, but not enough to make a difference in the calculations here). Our confirmed number, had we had adults in charge of pandemic response like in South Korea, would almost certainly be three times higher.
And that’s before we get to the number of undetected cases even in South Korea, which they’ve almost certainly got since it’s a country of 50+ million people and they’ve only tested 200,000+.
I personally know 3 people who were denied tests based on visual examinations. The explanation is there aren’t enough tests even to give them to people who ask (ie, self identify as possibly infected). Not a good situation.
The thing that’s dumb about comparing this to a “normal flu season” (or even a bad one) is that we already have a flu season going on right now. This doesn’t replace flu season — instead, it adds a worse-than-the-flu bug on top of flu season, and there just isn’t enough slack capacity in hospital systems to deal with that.
People in their 40s are also at risk. People who are overweight are at risk. I could go on but will simply refer you to this: https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
Actually, you’ll need to restrict attendance to anyone who comes into regular contact with people over 50.
Sounds like a solid plan.
Save Liz, Grab Mum, kill Phil [Sorry Phil] head to the Winchester, have a pint, and wait for all this to blow over.
In all seriousness though, hopefully it doesn’t come to that, considering I bought lower level tickets for opening day. Honestly, It really puts those virus epidemic movies into perspective like “No way it can do that, people arent that dumb.” They are. Cuomo deplyed National Guard to Rochelle NY today, which was dealing with an outbreak of it. I do support the decision making for it, media or not, people are dumb, and they only care about themselves, if they are sick, they’ll just go about their daily lives here. They don’t care. Why take the chance?
If you’re trying to hinder the spread of Covid 19. What rationale is saying OK these what 15ish group of people (media) per team we are blocking them? Just a goofball response to somehow think you’re appearing proactive and that’s all the sports leagues.
So commissioners how are you responding to the Covid 19? Uhhh we are blocking the media. That’s how we are staying ahead of this thing. Okie Dokie. sheesh.
Essentially every case recorded in Massachusetts can be traced to a single Biogen conference where attendees did ordinary social interaction with persons who were not yet symptomatic. https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/11/nation/how-biogen-leadership-conference-boston-spread-coronavirus/
As a result, the Ivy League basketball tournaments set for Harvard were cancelled and the American Bar Association Business Law Section spring meeting in Boston (set for three weeks from now) was canceled.
So many of the arguments I’ve seen seem to come down to “but you’re not doing this, so why should you do that?” Restricting the media by sports is very much a low-hanging fruit; it gives publicity and a sense “they’re doing something” without, as others have noted, stopping the potential exposure of others to asymptomatic carriers. But that doesn’t argue for opening the locker rooms to media, but rather for more drastic measures to keep people safe.
Tomorrow the governor of Washington, the King County executive and the mayor of Seattle are holding a joint press conference to talk about limiting social interactions here, where the outbreak has been most deadly. I wouldn’t be planning on attending a Mariners opening day on March 26 if I had tickets. And more people will live because of it.
I know folks at the Biogen conference…. they really should have known better, if anyone. My wife’s ID conference got cancelled pretty much as soon as they knew it was stateside and spreading. Pretty amazed that we got our job conference off before all this happened, and that it hasn’t affected our hiring. It’s sure as hell affecting student recruitment though.
wow wife’s academic medical institution is going ENTIRELY to telemedicine if they can. JFC.
The point about publicity is also that the government needs to get these kinds of closures normalized so people stop saying “Why are they closing the schools for a flu?!”
I think the reason for restricting the press is for MLB to protect its most valuable asset, the players, as a first step. This is a separate issue from whether to keep fans at home, which will most likely be dictated by various government entities soon anyway (ex. Santa Clara County in CA).
On a different baseball website, comments on the topic have been shut off, and you can see from here how conversations get off the rails. It’s very difficult to be absolutely sure what the best course is, but clearly, there is some real danger to this particular illness, and preventative measures have to be taken. MLB’s banning of the media strikes me as having little to do with health, and a lot to do with business–they want to control the narrative. I suppose one could argue that bringing in media into the clubhouse raises that risk, but it’s hard to see how that’s going to make a real difference when players can go anywhere they want. It’s crowds that are the problem, coupled with minimal abilities to do basic hygiene at a ballpark.
Too many people look at this as either a political issue (and you can decide for yourself whether Trump is doing a good job or not) or they are linking this with things like childhood vaccines and conspiracies. This is functionally different. We need to treat it that way, until we have this under control. Caution is smart right now.
Well, rather than shut off comments, FG has apparently decided to censor the comments as they have removed a number of inflammatory comments entirely.
Inflammatory? I think the phrase you’re looking for is “pseudo scientific mumbo jumbo”.
I think they must have decided that during a pandemic, posting inaccurate information isn’t allowed. Normally I’d say that’s a bit of an overreaction but since misinformation is so widespread right now, I think I’m okay with it.
I think the “this literally kills people” language can occasionally be hyperbole, but in this case that kind of thing literally kills people.
I’m fine with a site literally dedicated to information to shut down misinformation every time.
The response from sports journalists is stunningly ignorant and short-sighted. Social distancing is for the protection of all, not just the players. If that makes your job less sexy, too bad but– to be honest– it’s not like your articles were the second coming of Frank Deford, now are they? We’ll just have to learn to live without the pithy insights you could glean from 2 feet away that are unavailable to you at 6 feet.
The city of Chicago cancelled the annual St Patrick’s Day parades and dying of the Chicago River Green. I can’t imagine that the City would ok baseball games in 15 days, given the trajectories.
The cynical Chicagoan in me sees the parade et al as tax-revenue-negative events a deficit-ridden city would rather not have to hold. The games are tax-revenue-positive events and hold a different place in the political mind.
The cynical Chicagoan in me sees this as all the corrupt city politicians splitting the money they would have spent and calling it fair. Because in Chicago, grift knows no limit.
While I don’t disagree that a response is appropriate, I am struggling to square this with other sources of risk.
Chicago public transportation for example, serves over 1.5M people per day, in small enclosed areas. I’m the furthest thing from an expert you can find, but this feels like a couple of orders of magnitude higher in risk than an outdoor event.
Does anyone know – is the CDC and WHO recommending cancelling events like these, or are we in a situation where public officials are doing the best they can with their understanding of the situation?
Most people haven’t come to grips with the gravity of the situation and that goes for MLB too. https://youtu.be/cZFhjMQrVts
In today’s world, where EVERYTHING in the news is blown way out of proportion for ratings sake it’s easy to see how people are skeptical of the severity.
Yep, if you just compare the numbers seriously ill or dead so far or right now. We’ve had an estimated 34 million cases of flu this season, 350,000 hospitalizations, and 20,000+ deaths. Few in the media appear to consider this worthy of comment.
Now, compare those numbers to the values for covid-19 which the media is panicking over, flu is orders of magnitude worse. So if you assume that the media is overhyping it and just do a cursory check, it’s easy to think covid-19 isn’t serious. Problem is, it spreads about as well as flu would if no one had the vaccine, it appears to have a higher fatality rate, and we don’t have the hospital space if too many people get sick at once. It has real potential to be a disaster.
Or, it may be like an unusually bad flu season, no one really knows yet and part of how bad it is depends on how we react. Fortunately, flu and covid-19 precautions are pretty similar, so it doesn’t matter which one you consider a threat as long as you treat at least one as a serious problem.
I am acutely aware of the danger and the very real human toll this is having and will continue to have. So I don’t mean this to sound callous, but does MLB have any sort of “pandemic insurance” that would in any way compensate them for lost gate, TV money, etc.? Is that even a thing?
I’m still not over SARS 🙁
The virus is “SARS-CoV-2” according to the WHO, so this is SARS, the sequel. (To clarify, the disease is covid-19, the virus is SARS-CoV-2.)
I’m more than a tad concerned that the London games will be off; it would be a great shame to miss it. I can’t really cry that loud, as I went to the first game last year, but others won’t be so lucky if they are off.
Whenever any player is diagnosed, it could lead to extended periods of isolation (IL) time and then there would be the question of how to handle exposed teammates. Curious to know how teams plan to address such situations.
If state laws prevent crowds of over ~1,000 people, will MLB: A) Remove local blackouts on MLB.tv so fans can watch the games from home, or B) Take advantage of the supply squeeze and sell 1,000 tickets to the most hardcore/wealthiest fans for the highest price possible?
It’s time for MLB to shine and continue onwards. Time to get back a huge piece of lost nba market share. We will be the only sport in town playing. Great opportunity.
Sorry, can’t see how a half a million Americans entering 15 stadiums nationwide, for opening day – in two weeks time – is a good way to go right now.
Keep in mind, we are talking about a sport whose in-game attendance continues to drop every year and yet continues to set new revenue records yearly.
Play without fans entering. Just don’t halt the game like NBA. MLB has huge economic oppurtyunity hear to gain market share.
I’ve never understood why journalists were allowed in clubhouses, outside the US they generally aren’t and the stories still get written. If I’m the MLBPA I’m pushing for this to become permanent, what player wants journalists around when they’re getting ready for a game.
So you didn’t read anything before commenting?
Just for perspective, Washington state is the epicenter of those most seriously impacted. Per KIRO, Seattle & King County announced the county total to 26. Most (if not all) of the deaths were residents of senior care facilities. Other fatalities are in adjacent areas like Overlake Medical Center, Snohomish County, and Grant County. The statewide total is 31 (far and away the lion’s share in the US though the total number has not been confirmed yet by the CDC as of yesterday) and appear to be all elderly with underlying medical conditions, mostly in senior care facilities.
Most of the other, non-fatal cases have been travel related. The vast majority of the numbers reported are “presumed positive” and most of those are asymptomatic (i.e. have shown no signs of being sick).
Let us hope that we can have a reasonable and rational response to the situation (for once).
Counterpoint: https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca
I take issue with the Curly Haired Boyfriend’s whining comment that fans “hunger for information about their favorite players/teams while routinely harpooning and mocking those who actually provide such content.”
First, those things aren’t mutually exclusive. I can consume and enjoy content about [name of baseball team here] while acknowledging that [name of self-important hack here] is a hack and should be mocked.
But more to the point, locker room quotes from athletes add approximately zero value to a story about how the athlete’s team won/lost the game that day. Quotes can add some color, sure, but the story can have plenty of color without the quotes. Anyone who’s watched a game on TV can attest to the uselessness of having microphones attached to a player/manager/official. Chats about the game offer no insight into how the game is played.
Basically, Shaughnessy and these others like adding quotes to their stories because a quote means they were in the locker room, and they all love having that level of access. Who wouldn’t? But some indeterminate amount of time without that direct access will have little to no effect on the quality of their reporting — or shouldn’t have, anyway — and I think they know that. Thus the whining, because the rest of us might figure that out too.
So do players’ contracts roll over if the season is cancelled or severely curtailed? If not, did the Red Sox actually make out like a bandit in the Betts trade?