Dan Szymborski FanGraphs Chat – 7/30/26
| 12:03 |
: And awaaaay we go
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| 12:04 |
: Crazy baseball rule change question. ESPN ran an article about the rise of hit batters relative to the past. The next day Curtis Mead broke his wrist on an errant pitch. What if hit batters got two bases? Do you think pitchers would be more careful? How about combining that with 3 ball walks? I think it would juice offense and balls in play by making pitchers have to aim more.
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| 12:04 |
: Seems a little too niche to be worth such a major change?
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| 12:04 |
: And in that, you also greatly incentivize a player to try and get hit very strongly
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| 12:05 |
: Is vegan chili still chili?
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| 12:05 |
: No.
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| 12:05 |
: Is a meatloaf made to look like chocolate cake a cake? No
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| 12:07 |
: What do you think of the new management /coaching staff of the Nationals? How would you handle the trade deadline if you were in Toboni’s chair (cats optional)?
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| 12:08 |
: I think they’ve done well so far. I would be suggest they look at buying *or* selling depending on how things work out. They shouldn’t make short-term moves for 2026, but they should look to be opportunistic
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| 12:10 |
: Be chesslike. Against great players, you typically don’t win with grand moves, but through the accumulation of incremental gains, like trying your awkwardly placed knight for their strong bishop or a pawn swap that leaves you with better structure
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| 12:10 |
: I think Mead-Early was one of those types of things
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| 12:10 |
: Early is more useful to the Nats than Mead is
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| 12:10 |
: but the focus should be on guys who can help in 2027-2029
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| 12:11 |
: Like if you see a team that wants to get out of a veteran contract and you like that player, go for it
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| 12:11 |
: If you are AJ Preller, are you buying or selling?
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| 12:12 |
: Buying. I’m not sure there’s a lot left in this era of the Padres. The shoestrings holding together the rotation have already fallen apart, and they have some BIG commitments on players who will no longer provide big value
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| 12:13 |
: McGonigle is so impressive as a rookie with his batting skills- decision making. Is there any past 21 year old he reminds you of?
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| 12:13 |
: Nick the Stick Johnson
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| 12:14 |
: How much money would the Mets need to eat to move Lindor?
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| 12:14 |
: I don’t necessarily think they’d have to. 5/160, if you really believe in Lindor, isn’t that bad
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| 12:14 |
: Yankees almost matching their own record for injured payroll at 130 million dollars. Yikes! They have 3 pitchers and 3 hitters that each make 27 million plus and all of them have been on the IL for significant time.
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| 12:14 |
: I beseech thee, gaze into your crystal ball and tell us. Is Kody Clemens on the move and, if so, to where?
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| 12:14 |
: I think the Twins hang onto him
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| 12:14 |
: If you were the Yankees, and the catcher options are too expensive, would you trade for a right handed outfielder who is going to the bench by the end of September just to keep pace with the Rays
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| 12:16 |
: I’d very strongly consider it (which is why I included Dane Myers in the fantasy trade piece). There’s no certainty on the timetable of Judge/Bellinger returns and if they have setbacks that push them farther, you can’t go back in September and acquire an otufielder
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| 12:16 |
: so if you’re trying to avoid HBP injuries, the trick is to disincentivize pitchers plunking batters without incentivizing batters getting themselves plunked. what are 3 jokey creative ideas to do this
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| 12:16 |
: Let’s see
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| 12:17 |
: pitcher has to swap with one defensive player in the field for one batter
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| 12:17 |
: pitcher has to throw with his other hand for the next batter
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| 12:18 |
: Nickelodeon green slime drop from above on pitcher
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| 12:18 |
: Is vegan chili just ratatouille with cumin and chili powder?
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| 12:18 |
: if it’s made with summer vegetables!
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| 12:18 |
: have you and brendan ever played chess against each other?
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| 12:18 |
: no
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| 12:18 |
: and I’m so out of practice that I would probably get my ass kicked
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| 12:19 |
: Hey Dan, thanks for this! The D-backs are in a tough spot. Their record is better than one might expect and they are in need or reinforcements to do anything meaningful. A SP or two, a leverage relief arm, and probably a bat. Do you think they’ll be ambitious enough to patch their holes?
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| 12:20 |
: I think they’ll make some incremental improvements but no splashes
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| 12:20 |
: You’re the Pirates, you have a pretty great offense, but you can’t hit LHP and the bullpen is a _mess_. How aggressively do you attack the problem in-season? Does the potential lockout change decision making knowing you loose a season of Skenes in the worst case, making this season more meaningful?
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| 12:20 |
: I would be aggressive, but I’m not sure the Piraets actually will be
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| 12:21 |
: what do you/ZIPS think of the angels/rangers trade? i’d assume ZIPS has gone way down on logan, but Silseth seems to be projected for just 1 fWAR in the next few seasons
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| 12:22 |
: I think it’s a solid addition
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| 12:22 |
: Remember, those out year projections are preseason. ZiPS likes silseth a lot more than it did four months ago
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| 12:23 |
: What might a Sonny Gray extension look like, given his continued effectiveness but also his advancing age? It seems like if his impending free agency is a reason to trade him, and the team’s resurgence is a reason not to, that one could perhaps just try to address the former and resolve the problem. The team has payroll flexibility if they don’t trade for some veterans.
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| 12:24 |
: I’d probably be willing to give him 2/60, and someone out there might go 3/85 or something
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| 12:24 |
: well, if I owned a baseball teams and had $60 million, neither or which I do
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| 12:24 |
: what does zips think grant taylor’s eventual transition to starter?
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| 12:24 |
: Quite positively!
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| 12:24 |
: another angels question – im a big believer in jo adell, but his actuals consistently underperform his peripherals. do you think a change of scenery could improve his long-term outlook
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| 12:25 |
: Honestly, I think he is what he is now
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| 12:25 |
: How many years will it be until Cleveland has a league average offense? Will the sun have exploded by then?
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| 12:26 |
: They had a league average one as recently as 2024!
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| 12:26 |
: Though I think for at least the next year or two, mediocre offense is baked in
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| 12:26 |
: Unless they make a major addition, which I don’t think they will
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| 12:26 |
: There’s been some talk in Boston that the last six weeks has changed Breslow’s reputation in town (for now. . .). As a cold-hearted analytics guy (meant as praise), I assume you’d disagree with that? Is Breslow, to paraphrase a certain football coach, who we thought he was?
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| 12:26 |
: I don’t think anyone’s changed
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| 12:27 |
: fans have a tendency to blame problems of a team on things they hate, no matter how little it makes sense, and then when their team is successful, credit it to things they like
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| 12:29 |
: Remember when the problem with the Giants was that Farhan Zaidi wasn’t a True Baseball Man with a Feel for the Game who Worshipped the Analytics? Well, Buster Posey is the opposite, and the Giants are still the same.
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| 12:29 |
: Trade Luis Robert Jr? Or keep him as potential 4th outfielder next year in case Soto gets hurt / Benge or Ewing have sophomore slumps?
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| 12:30 |
: If someone actually offers something of value, you make that trade
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| 12:31 |
: I don’t want Robert as my fourth outfielder at 1/18 ($20 million but there’s a $2 million buyout)
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| 12:31 |
: Jackson Holliday is on quite a heater! Run of the mill hot streak or some meaningful gains hidden in there?
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| 12:31 |
: People were far too down on him. He’s literally 22
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| 12:32 |
: Reminds me a bit of Vladito early on. Peoplei called him a bust so quickly
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| 12:33 |
: Which contender would benefit most from the addition of Skubal?
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| 12:33 |
: Cubs or Padres I think
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| 12:33 |
: Am I a ridiculously optimistic Mets fan but is there a legit chance for a quick turnaround?
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| 12:33 |
: Yes
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| 12:33 |
: The team is not fundamentally broken, though a lot has gone wrong
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| 12:34 |
: Besides the more obvious candidates Arraez and Robbie Ray who else on the giants has a realistic chance of being moved before the deadline?
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| 12:34 |
: Now, it’s not *likely* but I think a Logan Webb trade is more realistic than the Giants are making known
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| 12:34 |
: Tigers should probably do a soft sell, right? Get what you can for Skubal, see if anyone wants Gleyber or Tork, and then see if they can’t stumble into another 2024-esque playoff run?
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| 12:34 |
: Yup
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| 12:35 |
: If you’re cashman are you actually pursuing Herrera given he cannot throw anyone out?
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| 12:36 |
: He would not be my favorite catcher to add for the Yankees
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| 12:36 |
: If there’s a full year lock out how does that affect contracts? Guys who are supposed to be free agents after next year still free agents? Or do they lose?
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| 12:36 |
: That’s something that negotiations would have to deal with
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| 12:37 |
: Because once the CBA expires, service time has no meaning, since the CBA itself establishes what service time is and what it means
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| 12:38 |
: Unless there’s a legal reason for that not being true
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| 12:38 |
: which they could be, for I am not a lawyer
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| 12:38 |
: Phillies are going through the Ryan Howard extension years again aren’t they? I know Turner had leg issues before but he has to move to the OF no? Or at least 2B, his defense is awful.
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| 12:38 |
: Howard extension was worse, topped off by the silliness of signing it years ahead of time
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| 12:38 |
: though Turner is struggling at short and probably needs tobe moved off the position
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| 12:39 |
: I’d be OK with an increased penalty for HBP (maybe increasing # of bases throughout a game if you hit more guys) but only if we pair it with a strict definition of somebody being too close to the zone. We’ve all seen HBPs where the elbow is like 2 inches from the box. Drives me crazy, why do you get a free base for putting your body in the way of a routine ball?
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| 12:39 |
: I wish umpires enforced the hit by pitch rules once in a while
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| 12:39 |
: Does Adley Rutschman finish his career as an Oriole? Does he finish this season as an Oriole?
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| 12:40 |
: No. Yes.
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| 12:40 |
: Hunter Greene on the block, that’s the big Reds news this morning. Color me skeptical.
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| 12:40 |
: I am too
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| 12:40 |
: Does CJ Abrams’ so far excellent 60 percent of his season burnish his projections?
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| 12:40 |
: but it’s not IMPLAUSIBLE
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| 12:40 |
: Yes
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| 12:40 |
: implausible for last question
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| 12:40 |
: The trade: K Alcantara, M Shaw and P Ramirez for Skubal. Who says no?
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| 12:40 |
: I think tigers
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| 12:41 |
: I think a Skubal trade, unless the prospects are crazy, will need to involve some lesser pitcher who can go into the 2027 rotation
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| 12:42 |
: Which is why in the fantasy trade for it, I sent Sheehan as part of the trade
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| 12:42 |
: Dan! Daaaaan. The Cubs have been playing great baseball lately, even with a rotation made of two soft-tossing lefties and a whole lotta nothing else. If you’re Jed, do you go all-in on Skubal, or try to replace quality with quantity? Something like getting Castillo from the M’s (and hope a change of scenery turns it around), Detmers from the Halos, and some other third guy (maybe Peralta, but sounds like the Mets want an unreasonable return). Making the whole plane out of #4 starters doesn’t inspire hope, but it probably costs about the same in prospect capital as getting one Skubal, and does a little more to guarantee a trip to the postseason. What say you?
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| 12:42 |
: I absolutely *would* go all in on someone like Skubal
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| 12:43 |
: I actually ran the numbers and the Cubs are the playoff likely time in ZiPS has has the biggest dropoff in regular season win expectation vs. postseason win expectation
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| 12:43 |
: Casey Mize feels very Rays-ish as a trade target. Who do you see Tampa Bay targeting?
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| 12:43 |
: I actually think Mize is a really plausible target
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| 12:44 |
: Who do you think will be the best player traded this deadline not named Tarik Skubal? (Assuming Skubal is traded, of course)
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| 12:44 |
: Mason Miller?
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| 12:45 |
: Miller is absolutely wonderful, but if the Padres can get real mid and long term rotation help, you have to consider it
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| 12:46 |
: What type of package would you move Francisco Alvarez for?
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| 12:46 |
: I’d want a seriously high-end prospect, else I’m hanging onto him
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| 12:46 |
: The media covering the Red Sox have been all over Otto Lopez the last 72 hours or so. I too can read the back of his 2026 baseball card, but it just feels like the ultimate buy high. Am I missing something?
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| 12:46 |
: It’s buy high
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| 12:47 |
: As Ottos go, he’s Hightower at the end of season 1 house of the dragon
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| 12:48 |
: Pirates are 9-22 against LHP and their entire healthy lineup is sub .680 OPS against (down to the .400s) aside from Bryan Reynolds. Can you think of two lefty mashers they could realistically add?
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| 12:48 |
: The aforementioned Myers is at least plausible
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| 12:48 |
: a lot more lefties available than righties inj bats
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| 12:50 |
: I wonder if they’d have been interested in miguel andujar, pre-broken wrist, after having had him before
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| 12:50 |
: Do you buy Owen Ayers as a future starting catcher? Cubs prospect nerds are adamant about not moving him for a rental…is he as good as this year’s numbers suggest.
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| 12:50 |
: Completely buy, no, but he’s got a good shot
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| 12:51 |
: How much do you trust minor league xwOBA?
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| 12:51 |
: They’re useful, not perfect, same as any expected stat
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| 12:51 |
: Reports are the Rockies are asking for either Arias from the Red Sox or Gillen from the Rays for Hunter Goodman. If that’s truly the price, Goodman almost certainly stays put, right?
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| 12:51 |
: Probably
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| 12:52 |
: The Rockies are asking for the right guys!
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| 12:53 |
: Will Jesus Made, Leodalis De Vries, or Ethan Salas be called up to the bigs this season?
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| 12:53 |
: Made and De Vries no
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| 12:53 |
: Salas…maybe
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| 12:53 |
: He was just promoted if he, say, tears up AAA pitching for a month, I think you coudl see him at the end of the year
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| 12:53 |
: Mookie is slowly but surely creeping down the batting order, hitting 6th last night. He’s still got something like 6/170 left on that deal after this year. When does ZIPS think the contract will be underwater?
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| 12:54 |
: Pick one team, who’s Skubal pitching for next year?
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| 12:54 |
: Let’s go crazy: Rangers
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| 12:55 |
: (I’m firing up ZiPS)
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| 12:55 |
: ZiPS actually think he’s tipped into underwater territory now
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| 12:55 |
: I’d take Lindor
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| 12:55 |
: follow up, would you rather have 5/160 for Lindor, 6/170 for Mookie, or 8/270 for Tatis?
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| 12:55 |
: (in this q)
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| 12:56 |
: Hi Dan. Does ZIPS under value Luis Lara the next 3 years? To me, there is a disconnect in Luis Lara ZIPS 2026 ROS, 2027 and 2028. Looks like, to me, that Lara is significantly under valued by ZIPS across the board. Lare looks like a .280 BA, 15. % walk rate, lead potential and 30 SBs. Thank you.
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| 12:56 |
: I think it’s underselling him a bit
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| 12:56 |
: Has it already been studied one way or another if a version of Pythagorean Record based on run differential excluding position players pitching and/or excluding periods where the game is out of hand (say 9+ run lead after the 5th for example) would be more accurate?
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| 12:56 |
: Not that I can recall off the top of my head
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| 12:57 |
: My gut is that the specific situations would get swamped in the rest of the data
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| 12:57 |
: I saw a Banana League game the other day and while I don’t want MLB to become like banana ball their way of doing walks would be fantastic for fixing the balance of strike outs and hits and push teams towards more athletic exciting players. I can’t think of a reason besides tradition (and I’ll admit that is a good reason) not to do so. Basically ball 4 means all runners can advance until the defending team throws the ball to all the defenders. The outfielders sprint in. The base runners go wild. 3 ball counts yield more hits because the outfielders have to play in. More expensive walks make the pitchers care more about control when they fall behind should mean less strikeouts and injuries.
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| 12:58 |
: I haven’t given much though to the practicality of some Banana rules in MLB, but I do think that MLB should be more aggressive and wacky and at least TRY really crazy things in the minors and in spring training games
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| 1:00 |
: is Neto for Franklin Arias a fair deal?
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| 1:00 |
: It’s not crazy, but I rather have the Arias side of the trade
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| 1:00 |
: (as in getting Arias)
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| 1:01 |
: How many runs per game would you project an elite defense (Cubs) to save vs an atrocious D (Mariners) with an average pitching staff (Braves)
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| 1:01 |
: It’s really hard to do any better than a run a game in defense from best to worst
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| 1:01 |
: and even a run is hard
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| 1:01 |
: Pitchers go on the IL if the hit batter goes on the IL
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| 1:02 |
: I can’t quite grasp the interest in I. Seymour of the Rays – I hear about him as a sleeper-type commodity but don’t see it in the numbers. What am I missing?
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| 1:02 |
: Yeah, I like him, but I think he’s just rated now.
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| 1:03 |
: Who do you (and/or ZiPS) going forward, Rutschman or Moreno? ZiPS leaned heavily toward Rutschman before the season but I feel like that may have flipped by now.
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| 1:03 |
: I’m close on them, ZiPS likes Moreno rest-of-career more
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| 1:03 |
: I know word in Dodger land is Lauer and Call are being shopped. I would like to propose adding Teoscar Hernandez in there too. We know the market for RH outfielders is red hot and the Dodgers have to open up SOME type of OF spot given CF/RF/DH are locked up long term.
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| 1:03 |
: I would too
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| 1:04 |
: Seems like day to day the Diamondbacks deadline priorities are in flux. If they can only address one thing, what does ZiPS tell us about their greatest need going forward from among LHB (1b/DH?), Starting Pitching, or Bullpen Depth
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| 1:04 |
: 1B and SP
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| 1:04 |
: Would you say the Trade Deadline is less dramatic since the expansion of the playoffs, because more teams are holding out hope for a wild cart spot? If so, would moving next year’s date earlier make it more exciting – is that even a reasonable goal?
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| 1:04 |
: Yeah, though I haven’t confirmed it
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| 1:04 |
: I ask this from time to time, but a trade simulation tool like on Baseball Trade Values would be a fun feature for members to have. I think you have all the puzzle pieces to do it already, so pretty please give us yet another fun thing to do on the site.
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| 1:04 |
: There have been mixed feelings in the past about doing that kind of thing
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| 1:04 |
: I’m thinking of building it in ZiPS during the lockout
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| 1:05 |
: Wil Austin Riley ever hit again and should Atlanta consider him as part of their future? Is he a change of scenery guy next year or this winter?
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| 1:05 |
: I’ve grown quite bearish about Riley
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| 1:05 |
: The contract wasn’t crazy at the time, but it’s not working out
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| 1:05 |
: I agree Skubal does the most good for the Cubs, I do doubt that Jed has it in him to pull the trigger. On the topic of nutty mock trades, if the Cubs offered the Sawx Shaw for Chapman and Gray and eat all the money, who says no? (I realize this isn’t in the realm of possible, but it’s in my brain and I had to let it out)
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| 1:06 |
: I think the Red Sox say no
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| 1:06 |
: Re: a trade simulation tool, we know it’s a blunt and incorrect way to look at it, but also, give the people what they want! How about a poll to see if there’s broader interest?
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| 1:06 |
: Since I’ve advocated for it, just doing that would be a Big Dick move on my part, I think, so I shoudln’t be the one to do it!
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| 1:06 |
: Believe it or not, I’m not actually bad to work with (I don’t think)
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| 1:07 |
: Orange 1B safety bag like softball good idea?
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| 1:07 |
: Nah
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| 1:07 |
: Luis lara follow up. Quick answer to why ZIPS under sells Luis Lara? Helps me better understand ZIPS. Thank you again.
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| 1:07 |
: I’m not sure it’s anything systemic. I just like Lara mroe than ZiPS does
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| 1:07 |
: And on that note, since I have a piece to finish, it’s time to head out for another week
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| 1:07 |
: Thanks for coming everyone!
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Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.
HBP consequence: 3 free punches to the non pitching arm
How about something like running into and roughing the kicker? If you’re grazed, it’s one bag, if you’re hit to where it’ll leave a mark then it’s two bags. Fastball above the shoulders is 4 bags.
Give the batter a strike instead of a base if he leans into the pitch. Make the pitcher pitch with a ten-pound weight on his leg if he threw wildly inside or any perception of intentionality.
I’ve got to say I prefer the knight to the bishop.
To the question about Lindor… compare him to Swanson who I believe is earning his contract.
In 101 games played at SS, Swanson has 11.6 Dwar, 94 wRC+, and 2.6 WAR overall.
In 51 games at SS, Lindor had 4.6 Dwar, 104 wRC+, and 1.3 WAR overall. He’s also come back from injury and has a 129 wRC+ for July which matches last year.
I assume this means Cubs had the biggest jump in postseason win expectation based on the addition on Skubal, but is that right? Would love for someone to just run the numbers on what teams would benefit most (biggest increase in postseason expected wins or WS probability) from trading for Skubal (ideally taking into account the lost assets to acquire him).