Filling Out My First Hall of Fame Ballot

Last year was my 10th year as a member of the Baseball Writers’ Association of America, so while I’ve voted regularly in the end-of-year awards — nine times out of 10, in fact — this was my first opportunity to cast a ballot for a Hall of Fame election. I’m a huge believer in transparency when it comes to the voting for awards; every time I cast a ballot, I discuss my underlying reasoning at length. Because there is a lot of leeway and wiggle room in the official Hall of Fame election rules, votes come down to the interpretation and philosophy of the individual voters. For that reason, I wanted to take some space to discuss the philosophical decisions I made to determine who ended up with checkmarks on my submitted ballot. This isn’t really an analysis of the individual candidates; for that, you should consult Jay Jaffe’s extensive series, where he goes deep into each player’s career and legacy.

I’ve attached a picture of my ballot. Not the best one in the world since I cut off a few words of my obnoxious, meaningless “signing statement,” but since I sent my ballot off a month ago, there won’t be a better photo forthcoming! Unlike the year-end awards, which are conducted through Google forms, the Hall of Fame balloting process is old school. You physically open an envelope that contains a sheet of paper — made of these things called “trees” — and check boxes yourself before returning the whole thing through the good ol’ U.S. Mail. Thankfully, the whole exercise came with a pre-addressed, postage-paid envelope, as I don’t physically appear to be the owner of any envelopes or stamps. I will also note that I am aware that I have the penmanship of a seven-year-old. My handwriting has always been atrocious.
Anyway, you’ll notice that I voted for the maximum 10 players, and from the signing statement, you’ll see that I would have voted for 12 players if given the opportunity. In recent years, the BBWAA has issued proposals to the Hall of Fame to expand the number of players we’re allowed to vote for and to make all ballots public, but those requests have been turned down.
I’m not necessarily a Small Hall or Big Hall guy, but I do think it is important to keep the Hall consistent. What a Hall of Famer is is determined by who the Hall of Famers are. The obvious, inner circle players like Henry Aaron and Lefty Grove are a small minority of the Hall of Fame. What the Hall of Fame does have is a ton of guys like Ted Lyons and Waite Hoyt and Pee Wee Reese and Goose Goslin, those mid-range Hall of Famers who, if they were on today’s ballots, would be derided as Hall of Very Good Candidates by the extreme section of the Small Hall crowd. There’s this idea that modern inductees have watered down the Hall of Fame when, in fact, what the Hall is drowning in is endless inductees from baseball’s supposed Golden Age. Here’s my updated chart of the yearly percentage of position player plate appearances by future Hall of Famers:

Now, the final ruling hasn’t yet been handed down on those 1990s players, but just because the Veterans Committee exists to catch players who fall through the cracks doesn’t strike me as a good reason to let players fall through those cracks. I find the moral value of a great honor is diminished if the honoree has to wait an indefinite amount of time, or even worse, does not live long enough to receive it. It’s an absolute shame that Ron Santo and Dick Allen died without knowing that their careers would ultimately be recognized with baseball’s most prestigious honor. And with baseball’s increasingly illogically designed Eras Committees, it’s going to be harder to catch the BBWAA’s misses.
Even so, I don’t think that all of the players who are better than the worst Hall of Famers should be in the Hall. There are lots of pitchers better than Jack Morris and Rube Marquard who still would not get a Hall of Fame vote from me. If we voted in everyone better than Tommy McCarthy, who was essentially the 19th Century Juan Pierre, the Hall would have quite the influx of outfielders. But all 12 players I wanted to vote for in this election were players I felt were better than the bottom quartile of Hall of Fame inductees, meaning that if they were inducted, they would at least be part of the Hall’s large middle class.
One of the most convincing arguments Bill James ever made about the Hall of Fame came when he introduced the concepts of career value and peak value as different kinds of greatness. The Hall’s record of recognizing peak value is very spotty, and while Sandy Koufax, one of the best examples of peak value, was given his due, players like Johan Santana have frequently gotten the shaft. But when we talk about greatness, how good a player was at his best seems to be very important information. Miguel Cabrera would not have attained the 3,000-hit or 500-homer career milestones if he had retired after the 2016 season at age 33, but did anything that happened after 2016 really enhance his greatness on an abstract level? After 2016, he was mostly a DH who hit .262/.329/.381 and averaged nine home runs a year. Cabrera’s peak is what makes his career great, after all.
And that is why I checked the boxes for David Wright and Dustin Pedroia. Wright was healthy enough for about a decade to play full time, and over that period, he was perhaps the top third baseman in the majors.
| Name | PA | HR | AVG | OBP | SLG | wRC+ | WAR | WAR/600 PA |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Miguel Cabrera | 6780 | 345 | .326 | .403 | .574 | 157 | 57.8 | 5.1 |
| David Wright | 6248 | 216 | .298 | .379 | .492 | 134 | 48.1 | 4.6 |
| Adrian Beltré | 6183 | 248 | .291 | .341 | .489 | 119 | 45.1 | 4.4 |
| Alex Rodriguez | 4959 | 273 | .291 | .387 | .538 | 144 | 43.5 | 5.3 |
| Evan Longoria | 4119 | 184 | .271 | .351 | .494 | 130 | 37.8 | 5.5 |
| Ryan Zimmerman | 5183 | 184 | .286 | .352 | .476 | 120 | 34.1 | 4.0 |
| Chipper Jones | 3980 | 158 | .303 | .402 | .517 | 142 | 32.0 | 4.8 |
| Aramis Ramirez | 5356 | 242 | .292 | .355 | .514 | 126 | 29.7 | 3.3 |
| José Bautista | 4880 | 246 | .259 | .369 | .498 | 133 | 29.2 | 3.6 |
| Kevin Youkilis | 4188 | 143 | .282 | .383 | .482 | 129 | 28.7 | 4.1 |
| Alex Gordon | 4396 | 121 | .268 | .345 | .435 | 111 | 26.0 | 3.5 |
| Placido Polanco | 4861 | 54 | .298 | .345 | .390 | 97 | 24.5 | 3.0 |
| Scott Rolen | 3396 | 90 | .274 | .344 | .447 | 108 | 22.0 | 3.9 |
| Chase Headley | 3944 | 93 | .265 | .347 | .409 | 114 | 21.8 | 3.3 |
| Pablo Sandoval | 3533 | 106 | .294 | .346 | .465 | 122 | 20.3 | 3.5 |
| Edwin Encarnación | 4885 | 229 | .265 | .349 | .487 | 122 | 19.7 | 2.4 |
| Michael Young | 6096 | 129 | .305 | .353 | .444 | 109 | 18.9 | 1.9 |
| Casey Blake | 3677 | 120 | .264 | .338 | .442 | 108 | 17.3 | 2.8 |
| Juan Uribe | 4262 | 131 | .253 | .299 | .415 | 89 | 17.1 | 2.4 |
| Chone Figgins | 4440 | 30 | .272 | .350 | .355 | 94 | 17.0 | 2.3 |
Cabrera has the edge in WAR, and he had a better postseason record, but he also wasn’t a full-time a third baseman during this period. (He’s second among first basemen in the same years). It’s worth mentioning that Wright received more playing time during his 10-year peak than a lot of the competition, but he also had one of the highest WAR rates over that decade. He’s not the undisputed best third baseman during that span, but he certainly has a strong case for that title. That peak is enough for me. The case for Pedroia is similar.
| Name | PA | HR | AVG | OBP | SLG | wRC+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Robinson Canó | 6786 | 249 | .305 | .357 | .499 | 129 | 48.0 |
| Dustin Pedroia | 6182 | 131 | .303 | .368 | .447 | 118 | 45.0 |
| Chase Utley | 5517 | 175 | .275 | .361 | .460 | 120 | 44.7 |
| Ian Kinsler | 6397 | 198 | .276 | .344 | .450 | 112 | 42.0 |
| Ben Zobrist | 5446 | 143 | .268 | .362 | .437 | 122 | 40.4 |
| Brandon Phillips | 6312 | 174 | .280 | .325 | .429 | 99 | 28.8 |
| Howie Kendrick | 5174 | 91 | .289 | .333 | .417 | 107 | 25.9 |
| Matt Carpenter | 3016 | 74 | .284 | .376 | .462 | 133 | 21.3 |
| Jose Altuve | 3649 | 60 | .311 | .354 | .437 | 118 | 19.5 |
| Dan Uggla | 4826 | 208 | .236 | .335 | .442 | 109 | 19.0 |
| Jason Kipnis | 3364 | 76 | .272 | .345 | .423 | 111 | 18.5 |
| Daniel Murphy | 4201 | 87 | .296 | .339 | .447 | 115 | 18.3 |
| Placido Polanco | 3815 | 41 | .294 | .342 | .385 | 95 | 18.2 |
| Rickie Weeks Jr. | 4159 | 138 | .245 | .344 | .427 | 109 | 17.8 |
| Neil Walker | 3884 | 116 | .273 | .339 | .436 | 115 | 17.8 |
| Aaron Hill | 5124 | 152 | .264 | .319 | .426 | 98 | 17.1 |
| Marco Scutaro | 4034 | 53 | .284 | .350 | .387 | 100 | 17.1 |
| Kelly Johnson | 4805 | 146 | .252 | .329 | .423 | 102 | 16.8 |
| Brian Dozier | 3065 | 117 | .246 | .320 | .442 | 107 | 16.7 |
| Mark Ellis | 3716 | 66 | .259 | .320 | .373 | 89 | 15.8 |
Neither Wright or Pedroia is a slam-dunk candidate, but each is just over my foggy line.
I’m probably not going to get out of here without discussing how I consider performance-enhancing drug use or general rulebreaking/bending. Even more so than performance, there’s a lot of room for philosophical differences here, so let me emphasize that even though I personally feel that my stance is the best one — after all, why would I not go with what I think is best? — I certainly can’t objectively claim that it’s the right one. Let’s start with the text of the Hall’s so-called character clause, which is actually only just one sliver of a sentence:
Voting shall be based upon the player’s record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.
Based on my knowledge of baseball and the Hall of Fame’s history, both in practice and when the rules were being discussed, I function under the belief that we’re talking sportsmanship and character related to their baseball-related life, not so much as a person on a wider level. The rules of the game are pretty important, and so I consider breaking baseball’s rules to be a demerit on a player’s permanent record. In this case, I believe PED rulebreaking to be something I am dutybound to consider after the summer of 2004, when steroid testing was first implemented. I don’t have the same feeling about pre-2004 PED use. Some people cite former commissioner Fay Vincent’s early 1990s memo about steroids as a reason not to vote for PED users in the pre-testing era, but as Vincent himself noted in an interview with Bernie Miklasz, he issued the memo only to make a statement. He pointed out that he didn’t have the power to implement any such rules against PED use without MLBPA approval.
“I sent it out because I believed it was important to take the position that steroids were dangerous, as were other illegal drugs,” Vincent said. “As you know, the union would not bargain with us, would not discuss, would not agree to any form of a coherent drug plan. So my memo really applied to all the people who were not players.”
In other words, Fay Vincent banned Pat Gillick and Dan Duquette from using steroids.
So I consider Barry Bonds’ testing positive for amphetamines in 2006 as a black mark on his résumé, as I do with Alex Rodriguez and Manny Ramirez for failing PED tests. But I also view each black mark as merely a factor to be weighed in a Hall of Fame case, not as a binary “they cheated, so they’re out” scenario. In my eyes, Bonds, A-Rod, and Manny are all worthy Hall of Famers, and a little bit of dirt in their story doesn’t tarnish the tale.
On the other hand, I would not have voted for Pedroia or Wright if they had been found to have broken those rules. I did not vote for Ryan Braun, because I think his performance was on the wrong side of the dividing line, but even if he had a slightly longer peak, I still would not have checked his box because of his situation. I don’t really care about the efficacy of the cheating when it comes to a player’s Hall of Fame case; it makes no difference to me if Carlos Beltrán and the other members of the 2017 Astros actually benefited from their electronic sign-stealing operation. Rather, what matters is that banging on a trash can to relay signs that were stolen in real time via a video camera is a blatant form of cheating. Yet, once again, when considering the totality of Beltrán’s career, he easily belongs in the Hall of Fame, even with the banging-scheme demerit.
Now, I wanted to vote for 12 players, but I could only vote for 10. So, I asked myself: What is the purpose of the checkmarks on a Hall of Fame ballot? I view it as getting deserving players into the Hall of Fame. There are three ways that a single voter can impact a player’s chances of making it to Cooperstown: 1) if a vote helps a player reach the 75% threshold required for induction, 2) if a vote allows a player to exceed the 5% mark necessary to remain eligible for future BBWAA elections, and 3) if a vote adds to the percentage of ballots cast in favor of a player from the previous year, thereby building that player’s momentum of support. The last one is kind of weird, but it does seem to be the case that a number of voters wait for the bandwagon to be rolling behind a player before they get on for the ride, so I have to take that into consideration, too.
Ultimately, my final decision came down to the following question: Which two votes of my desired 12 would be the least impactful at getting a deserving player in the Hall of Fame? I concluded those to be for Manny Ramirez and Alex Rodriguez. There was no chance that my vote would get either of them over 75%, keep them over 5%, or build enough momentum for them to eventually get elected. Most baseball writers have already made up their minds about how they will vote for players who used or likely used PEDs, and there aren’t enough new voters in any given year to make a difference. A-Rod and Manny are not Hall of Famers right now because they used steroids, not because writers are unsure about their baseball merit.
So, that’s my ballot, right or wrong. It’s OK to disagree with me — this would be a boring job if everyone agreed with me — but as I said at the top, I feel it’s my responsibility to you, the readers, to explain why I vote the way I do.
Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.
Well reasoned. Congrats, Dan!
Biggish hall guy! Congrats on earning the ballot and thanks for providing your rationale. I appreciate your note to the tabulators also – a single comment may not move the needle, but a few dozen might!
Love your ballot. Think of what Buerhle would make today!
I am perhaps biased as someone who’d have submitted exactly this ballot if I had a vote, but excellent work and Congratulations! Appreciate the explanation.
Vincent’s inability to implement anabolic steroids testing without the union’s consent doesn’t change the fact that he did ban the use of anabolic steroids in 1991. The memorandum stated that the “possession, sale, or use of any illegal drug or controlled substance by major league players and personnel is strictly prohibited.” Claiming that this only applied to non-players is not accurate, as the memorandum specifically stated that “Their use by players and others in baseball can neither be condoned nor tolerated.”
I just wrote in a notepad file that I cannot condone or tolerate 0.5% of the nation’s federal tax collections not being deposited into my checking account.
If I send this to the IRS, I will have exactly as much authority to implement my memo as he did.
We can’t afford even less than that for food stamps, so ….. no!
There is no truth to this whatsoever. The commissioner does have the ability to ban substances unilaterally under the “Best Interests of Baseball Clause.” What he can’t do unilaterally is to impose a testing regime.
For instance, if Bonds had been caught by federal agents in possession of anabolic steroids, the commissioner would have had the power to suspend him as a result of anabolic steroids being banned since 1991.
So if something happens that the commissioner has no control over, he would have control over it?
In 1985, the “Pittsburgh drug trials” exposed a number of Major League Baseball players who were involved in the possession and distribution of illegal drugs. There was no testing regime in MLB at that time, nor any collectively bargained penalties.
Commissioner Ueberroth was allowed to punish those players, and even divvied them up into three separate groups based on his own assessment of their involvement.
Dan’s argument that Vincent’s 1991 memo was meaningless is directly contradicted by Ueberroth’s actions regarding recreational drug use. The commissioner very clearly has the power to ban substances and to punish players who violate that ban. The commissioner does not have the ability to implement a testing regime, as that has to be collectively bargained with the MLBPA.
Except the Thomas Roberts/George Nicolau rulings were *after* that. At that point, the commish had no ability to implement rules related to performance-enhancing drugs (as opposed to drugs of abuse) without the MLBPA agreeing in the CBA.
I mean, Vincent outright said that his memo didn’t actually apply to players. Are we supposed to believe that he lied to undermine his own memo and authority? Not to mention that MLB never acted in accordance with what you say is the truth fro the next decade.
Yes, Dan. Thomas Roberts ruled that Ueberrorth did not have the authority to unilaterally implement drug testing. I have said that over and over and over again.
This is wrong, Dan. The Pittsburgh drug trials prove that definitively, as Ueberrorth was allowed to punish players who had been found by federal investigation to have been in possession and/or distribution of illegal substances. Ueberrorth tried to also have those players submit to drug testing, and that is where the union intervened, as the commissioner does not have the ability to implement testing.
No, he didn’t, Dan. I specifically quoted the memorandum to you and it explicitly said that the “possession, sale, or use of any illegal drug or controlled substance by major league players and personnel is strictly prohibited.”
Vincent told Miklasz that he didn’t have any way of holding players accountable directly because the MLBPA refused to budge on drug testing. But as the Pittsburgh drug trials definitively proved, if an outside agency like the federal government established that a player had possessed or used those substances, then the commissioner would have the authority to act on it.
Just FYI you have a point or two, but doing the antagonistic/patronizing Dan Dan thing… It’s why a lot of people hate you.
If you “hate” someone in a comments section then you need professional counseling, but I do at least appreciate that you are willing to admit that you care more about who you like than what is factually correct.
I didn’t say I hate you, I am telling you why people hate you. I actually kind of like you, and I think I could turn your down votes into up votes.
And those people need professional counseling. The only thing that bothers me about downvotes is that there are people on FanGraphs who prioritize feelings over facts. I don’t understand why they’re here if they feel that way.
I only care about whether or not the things I say are true. If someone presents evidence to prove me wrong, then I change my stance. But if the entire world downvotes me and tells me that I’m wrong while the available facts support my position, I’m comfortable with my stance.
It’s kind of fun to look back after I’ve been proven correct, like last year’s arguments about Kristian Campbell.
When you posted that message in reply to Dan, it seemed angry. Were you angry? Nobody likes the angry guy.
Let me expand on that last point. If you care about facts, please take your own feelings out of your post. Make other people see the facts and not just your feelings that are obscuring your point.
You’re very naive regarding human psychology. I was being downvoted before I used the word “Dan.” People who go against the grain, and especially those who disagree with a FanGraphs writer, will get downvoted no matter how politely they phrase that disagreement.
Meanwhile, Dan’s “notepad” comment was highly upvoted despite it being snarky and wrong. People who come to this website will naturally side with representatives of this website.
Again, I only care about whether or not the things that I am saying are true. If I’m heavily downvoted but correct, I’m completely fine with that.
> performance-enhancing drugs (as opposed to drugs of abuse)
Sorry but am I missing something? What’s the distinction between those two categories? They were all illegal right?
But the memo was meaningless – a sizeable minority of the league were juicing, and 0 players were caught, and suspended in over a decade.
Testing introduced, and what do you know, players start getting banned for PEDs.
You’re not going to get anywhere arguing with an ass.
All you get from that is poofingers
There’s no truth to what you’re claiming. Your failure to understand this rests on you alone.
I provided evidence conclusively proving what I am claiming. You and Dan haven’t presented anything at all contradicting my claims. He, and you, are wrong.
Your desire for someone to be wrong because you dislike them thankfully has no effect whatsoever on reality.
You provided no evidence. You just posted anything anyone could online, whether true or false. That is not evidence. Of course, you haven’t addressed how you would address anyone who did PEDs overseas, either.
Send that note to the Commissioner of the IRS and you just might get a job offer from the current administration
Looking at the Tracker, I really wish more voters valued, if nothing else, logical consistency to the degree you (and, of course, Jay) show with your votes and your explanation of them.
My ballot wouldn’t line up 100% with yours, but your reasoning and logic for all your choices is solid.
I basically totally agree with your PED standard. I think the circumstances of Arod, Manny, and perhaps most of all Braun only would merit inclusion if they were one of the very best baseball players of all time. That’s why I’d vote for Arod but not Manny, and obviously not Braun.
I would also be curious to hear if you considered what effect vote percentages might have for post-BBWAA consideration of players? I understand your thoughts on 5 and 75 percent, but is there perhaps some latent causal effect on future committees based on how much support writers provided, rather than merely a correlation?
I haven’t fully researched the issue with rigor, but my *impression* is that players with higher BBWAA vote totals are *usually* but not always more likely to get on Hall of Fame Eras ballots.
Of course, the question is- Is that due to the vote % or that players with higher BBWAA vote totals were better players with more impressive stats?
Exactly. The correlation is very easy to see and understand. A causal effect would be harder to substantiate. That to me is why it’s an interesting question.
Thanks for the good insights into your reasoning, particularly into why you’re a yes on Wright and Pedroia and your thoughts on rulebreaking. Treating it as a black mark but not as “they cheated so they’re out” certainly fits with your view that the Hall of Fame should be consistent- after all, Gaylord Perry’s ball-doctoring didn’t keep him out, nor did the rampant amphetamine usage of tons of players in the 70’s or 80’s, when there wasn’t any specific baseball rule against it but it was federally illegal.
Since you brought up your thoughts on sign-stealing when it comes to Beltran’s case, I’m wondering, have you given much thought yet as to how it affects some of the other players on that team? Is it more of a black mark if they kept doing it past 2017 while Beltran retired after that? Does Beltran’s supposed central role in designing the trash-banging scheme make it more of a stain on his record than, say, Correa’s? Does Altuve not wanting to personally take part in the trash can scheme during his own at bats make it less of a black mark on him?
I feel like I am shouting against the wind here, but whatever your intentions are, you de facto a large HOF guy. In short, it seems that you are looking to elect guys would not have been elected under the standards of the past 50 years. Its like you are weighing your candidates against the Frankie Frisch semi-nepo bunch when I think you should be comparing them to the guys who got in in the last 50 years. ESPECIALLY against those who were elected by writers ballot as opposed to the uneven Veteran Committee results. And sorry, Mark Buehrle and Dustin Pedrioa would come nowhere near election in my rather long lifetime.
Additionally, your emphasis on peak value represent a significant departure.
That’s your right and opinion, of course. And I should note that I am a small hall guy (seemingly one of the few in this forum…)
The guys you mention are not dramatically different than guys like Rice, Morris, Baines and Parker who have all recently gotten in and seem to be the standard for modern enshrinement, whether you agree with that or not
Veteran committee admissions all..
Rice was not, and they are all Hall of Famers anyway. There is not a real distinction in how one gets in. If the committees are insistent that these guys are the standard it would be weird for the writers to have no response to that. The writers should choose their favorites among this tier of guys as well.
So let me get this straight: When you visit Cooperstown, you want to see plaques honoring as few players as possible. Weird stance for a fan of the sport.
You can disagree with the Small Hall view, but this is just disingenuous. Would you accuse a Big Hall person of wanting to see thousands of plaques in the hall?
I think that arguments for a small Hall are disingenuous because the Hall isn’t small. You have already lost the argument and it happened a long time ago.
Arguing that a small hall is no longer realistic because the cat’s out of the bag is a perfectly good and sensible rebuttal. I’m just saying that if you mis-represent the other side, any rebuttal you offer is severely weakened because you’re not actually arguing against their position.
It’s like when people who didn’t want the pitch clock argued that people who want it “want to watch less baseball”, when what they actually wanted was to watch less of players standing around. It’s just a silly way of mis-representing the other side and makes you seem unserious.
Thank you Thebdore for stating this – I am perfectly fine to hear arguments from small-hall folks, big-hall folks, and anyone in between, but it shuts down any debate to impugn someone right out of the gate. “Gee I guess you want to see as few HOF plaques as possible!” is presumptive, dismissive, and not starting a discussion in good faith.
I would have voted for 5-6 candidates on this ballot. That does not mean I want to see the HOF restricted to the 20 guys at Mickey Mantle level or better, any more than folks who would check 10-12 candidates’ names on this ballot want to induct Gregg Jeffries and Woody Williams.
The wing of the hall of fame with the plaques is a small part of the hall of fame. One can be a ‘small hall’ person in the sense of who gets a plaque and not have that idea be at odds with wanting the see and celebrate the larger history of the sport. Its a big place and most of it is not about the players with plaques.
Thanks for this Dan. You once mentioned you were holding off on a David Wright time warp projection until his Hall of Fame case came up. Still curious if you have the time for it.
Thank you, Dan, for your thoughtfulness and most of all for your transparency. It’s a shame that not all your and Jay’s contemporaries possess the requisite integrity and courage to make their votes public.
(No one need infer, I am absolutely referring to the coward that left Ichiro off their ballot then hid behind their anonymity. Any student of the game worthy of the great honor of a vote would have stood ready to defend their argument.)
I don’t think Reese would be considered a Big Hall inclusion given he lost three years to the war sandwiched in between very good years.
This is true, but OTOH his similarity scores are full of names in the Hall of Very Good. Check with Johnny T, the gatekeeper on this thread, about whether he belongs.
Wright compares pretty well to Kirby Puckett, and I’ve sort of come around on Puckett as deserving.
Also if they’re gonna put King Felix in the Hall, they should take another look, not only at Santana, but at Dwight Gooden
Also the idea of a David Wright PED scandal is hilarious
I would personally have Wright in and Pedroia out. Both are borderline candidates but I mentally subtract a little off of Pedroia’s numbers due to how much he was helped by playing in Fenway his whole career. I do not think the advanced stats fully capture park effects on an individual level.
Dan, I always appreciate your analysis and I have to say: your words have given me more to consider for my fictional Hall of Fame ballot.
There was a time where I thought: Steroids? No Hall! and I had already changed that thought because many (not all) of the players would still be HoF. Additionally, I believed even if a rule was enacted there was still a culture to change (and I believe it has changed.)
With that said, once the news came out about Beltran and his involvement, I just immediately shifted him over to the “No” column and kind of stopped thinking about it. Your reasoning has given me a lens to consider and I appreciate it.
I’m not 100% sure it will change my mind on any future players (Altuve & Bregman potentially), but I at least appreciate something to think about–thanks.
Personally, I don’t think there are 12 worthy hall of famers on the ballot. Not even close in my estimation. However, that said, I’m a strong believer that everyone who has earned a ballot has earned the right to select as many or as few candidates as they want. I would defend a zero-candidate voter as fervently as a 10-candidate voter.
If you think Cooperstown should be an inner-circle kind of club, which many do, then it’s not hard to look at this year’s ballot and say there are no worthy candidates. If you’re a biggish-hall guy, like Dan, then you could easily say there are 12. I’m in the middle, four or five, tops.
To me, the guy has to feel like a hall-of-famer. I know I’m watching really special players, all-time greats, when Ohtani, Verlander or Judge take the field. I never felt that way Dustin Pedroia or Mark Buehrle or David Wright (even though I have his T-shirt).