Five Things I Liked (Or Didn’t Like) This Week, April 26

Denny Medley-USA TODAY Sports

Welcome to another edition of Five Things, my weekly column that highlights strange and often delightful happenings from the last week of baseball. My own baseball watching was a bit stilted this week, for the best possible reason. I went to three Giants games, an exciting event made possible by cheap ticket deals, a friend’s birthday, and some last minute cancellations of non-baseball weekend plans. Two of those games were pretty awful; Blake Snell got shelled Friday night, and then Blake Snell’s replacements got shelled Wednesday afternoon.

The good news is, there’s still *so much* good baseball going on all the time that I had plenty in the tank to write about. You don’t have to look too far to find things to like about baseball these days. We’ve got new holidays, old AL Central rivals, stadium gimmicks, and pure unadulterated velocity. As always, this column is inspired by Zach Lowe’s basketball column, Ten Things (Zach inspired Will Leitch to start his own Five Things column over at MLB.com, in fact).

1. Jared Jones Day
There’s a new holiday making the rounds. It happens every five days or so. Maybe you haven’t heard of it, in which case I’m very pleased to introduce it to you. It’s called Jared Jones Day, and I hope you’ll start celebrating with me.

The customs of Jared Jones Day are quite simple. When Pirates rookie Jared Jones pitches, we turn on the opposing team’s broadcast. Then we watch the admiration, disbelief, and general chaos that ensues as he makes lineups full of professional athletes look like uncoordinated rubes.

This holiday began in earnest for me when the Pirates visited the Mets last week. I turned on the Mets broadcast because it’s one of my favorites, and all three broadcasters were gobsmacked by Jones’s arsenal and approach. Keith Hernandez was reduced to giggling at one particularly nasty slider. Jones went five one-hit innings, striking out seven, and left destruction in his wake. The Mets looked every bit as impressed as the broadcasters sounded.

It’s so fun to watch Jones that I can’t blame these guys. His fastball defies gravity. He challenges hitters rather than wasting pitches or giving up on at-bats. When he walks someone, it’s despite his best efforts, and it means the hitter got to swing at a center-cut fastball somewhere in the equation. His slider, on the other hand, is a surgical tool, slicing off the corners of the strike zone at 90 miles an hour.

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This week’s observation of JJDay came on Monday against the Brewers. Milwaukee’s announcers aren’t as quick to compliment opponents as the Mets crew, but even still, they couldn’t keep the admiration out of their voice as he blew William Contreras away with a 99-mph fastball located perfectly on the upper edge of the zone. And of course, there was the piece de resistance, this pitch that Brice Turang will never ever live down:

Jones wasn’t perfect by any means in his start against the Brewers. He gave up a Rhys Hoskins solo shot – throw 100 up in the zone, and you’re gonna give up some bombs – and allowed six total baserunners. But he went six innings with seven strikeouts and only that single earned run, and made believers out of another announcing crew. By the third inning, they’d gone from reading his stats dispassionately to inventing a hypothetical advance scouting report: “nastiest pitcher possible right now.”

Eventually, all the teams in the league will have seen this guy and it’ll be less fun. But for now, I’m having a blast seeing a new group of knowledgeable baseball people encounter his incandescent talent for the first time and struggle to find words to describe the majesty. And one more time for the road:

2. Power on Power
Monday afternoon in the Bronx, the A’s clung to a tight 2-0 lead. They’d taken that lead only moments before, in the top of the ninth inning, on a Zack Gelof home run. But the Yankees lineup was ideally positioned to mount a comeback: Anthony Volpe, Juan Soto, and Aaron Judge were due up. That’s not the toughest lineup you could face in this position – the Dodgers would like a word – but it has to be close.

Luckily for Oakland, their best player happens to be their closer. Mason Miller is ridiculous. I’m not sure I’m selling it enough by saying that, even. He throws 103 with movement, goes max effort on every pitch, and looks like a football player who took up baseball as a hobby. You’ve never seen a man so hulking throw so hard.

Miller quickly dispensed with Volpe, tossing a few sliders that Volpe fouled off before blowing the doors off with 103 up and away:

Sorry, Anthony, thanks for playing. Next time, maybe you’ll have time for a full swing against that heat-seeking missile.

Soto was next up, and you can’t fool around with him. He’s not the kind of guy to fall for the old in-zone spin trick. Perhaps earlier in his career, that would have fooled him, but you can’t throw soft in-zone stuff to someone seeing the ball as well as Soto is right now. So Miller went after him. First, he missed with one. Then, he came back in the zone and got the party started:

1-1? Sounds like a fastball count:

1-2? Sounds like a 103-mph fastball count:

Hey, like I said, there’s really no fooling Soto right now. The only option is to show him your best and see what he can do about it. The thing is, Miller’s best is really good.

Judge is mired in a slump right now, but he’s still Aaron freaking Judge. Miller was still all jacked up on fastballs after barreling through Soto. He started Judge off with some heat as well:

Man, Judge looked bad on that second one. That’s the power of 102 with good shape; it turns hitters into pretzels even when they’re looking for a fastball. Miller probably counted on bending Judge inside out with a slider after that in a classic fast-then-slow plan. But Judge is no dummy, and Miller’s sliders couldn’t get the job done:

That last one could have been a problem if the A’s were only up one run. Center cut 88-mph pitches are not what you should throw to the single-season AL home run record holder. But Judge only fouled it off, and that meant we got to see what everyone wanted. Strength against strength. The best fastball in baseball against the pre-eminent power hitter:

Ah, delightful. Miller is a blast. I especially like watching him against good hitters; no one wants to see Tucker Barnhart try to hit 103, but Soto trying to hit it is gripping television. The A’s are better than expected this year, and more watchable too. Miller is a lot of the reason why.

A quick note: Miller got the top of the Yankee order again on Thursday evening, after the part above was already written. He acquitted himself well – 1.1 innings, three strikeouts, one frustrated Soto bat slam – I just don’t have any video for you.

3. City By The Bai-Ley
The Giants haven’t had the best farm system in baseball in recent years. Recent graduates like Luis Matos, Casey Schmitt, Joey Bart, and David Villar have been somewhere in between role players and journeymen. But it hasn’t been all bad. Patrick Bailey, the team’s first draft pick in 2020, looks like the next great homegrown Giant. Last Saturday, I happened to be at the park for a nice afternoon of baseball. The Giants celebrated Bailey with a bobblehead, and he had himself a day worthy of the festivities.

Bailey’s better known for his defense than his offense, but Saturday was an exception. In the first, he dumped a soft liner to center against Zac Gallen. In the third, he extended the lead with a bloop double. That’s the kind of hitter he was in 2023; good bat control but below average power meant he was hitting his fair share of line drives, but not cashing many of them in for homers.

The Diamondbacks tied the game in the fourth, but Bailey must have heard me, because he supplied all the power you can ask for in the fifth:

Splash hits are a beloved part of Giants fan culture. I have a Lou Seal splash hit counter bobblehead in my office, and the counter actually works; the team and its fans make a big deal out of them. This one was absolutely crushed, too; it’s a good thing he didn’t hit it two feet longer or that kayak might have started taking on water. A splash hit on your bobblehead day? That’s the kind of thing that makes you a fan favorite out here.

Bailey wasn’t done, though. He cracked a ground-rule double to left his next time up for a true line-to-line power display and finished the day 4-for-4 with nine total bases. All the while, Bailey-centered segments played on the Jumbotron. There was “Patrick Bailey answers search engine auto-complete questions,” a staple this year. “Does Patrick Bailey have an old truck? If so does it run good?” probably isn’t actually an auto-complete phrase, but he gamely answered. If you’re curious, he has a new truck, but he did confirm that it runs good.

Think that’s a little bit too self-centered of a segment for the big tech capital of America? You’d love the next segment: “Patrick Bailey reads AI poetry written about Patrick Bailey.” It was about as tortured as you’d expect, with a forced rhyme scheme and plenty of over-the-top descriptions of how Bailey makes the Giants better. The Giants were kind enough to provide me a copy of the script; let’s just say that the AI that came up with “In the squat he’s a fortress, solid and stout/Guiding his pitchers with a whisper, no doubt” is probably not going to become the poet laureate anytime soon. He kept a straight face through it all, though, and drew some laughs from the crowd as a result. That kind of stage presence will pay off when he’s inevitably doing ad reads for local businesses for the next decade.

He plays the right position – Buster Posey started a tradition of great catchers and Bailey gets to draft off of his fan favorite status — and he plays it well; his electric throwing arm is a staple of Giants highlight packages already. He can hit. He has enough comic timing to delight, or at least amuse, the friendly crowd despite the gimmicky segments. The love affair between SF and Bailey is just starting, and if I had to guess, he’s going to be the next generationally adored Giant. “That time he smacked one into the cove on his bobblehead day” is the kind of story that people tell years after it happened.

4. Elite Bat Control Used Ridiculously
Francisco Lindor is one of the best players of the last decade, and it’s not just because of his defense. He’s a spectacular shortstop, and he’s also 17% better than league average offensively. That’s not because of his gaudy raw power or his spectacular control of the strike zone. It’s because he has elite bat control. He rarely swings and misses, and he seems to get the barrel of the bat to everything even when he’s fooled.

Monday night, Lindor went above and beyond “normal” bat control. Want an example of how Lindor doesn’t have elite strike zone recognition? He swung at this thing:

That yellow line shows the trajectory of the pitch that Camilo Doval threw Lindor in the ninth inning on Monday night. You can see from the faint outlines of other pitches that there was something weird about this one. It bounced feet, not inches, in front of the plate, and it was never close to being a strike. You shouldn’t swing at pitches like these.

Why, then, is Lindor so good? He still put that ball in play:

I don’t really know what to say about that one. That isn’t normal. That pitch bounced, and it wasn’t some huge curveball that started at eye height and just fooled him. It was a sinker, with slight positive movement relative to spinless flight. Out of Doval’s hand, that ball looked like it was going to hit the plate, and it didn’t even get that far. There weren’t two strikes or anything. Lindor just had something in his brain tell him to swing, and he’s so freaking good at making contact that he went full cricket and made it work.

I’m not saying everyone should do this. In fact, probably no one should do this. Lindor reached base, but only because Doval dropped a flip from Wilmer Flores that there was in plenty of time. Maybe the Giants were driven to distraction by thinking about how Lindor could possibly have put that ball into play. I know I was.

5. Salvy Smashes
Salvador Perez is a surprisingly controversial player. I think that’s the case because he’s good at one part of catching defense – controlling the running game – and poor at framing, which is harder to see on any given play. We think he’s been worth only 16.6 WAR in his career, while Baseball Reference’s calculation, which omits framing, has him at 34.3. That makes him a stats-versus-eye-test lightning rod.

That kind of sucks, to be honest, because it takes away from what we should be focusing on: I love watching him work at the plate. Out Of The Park Baseball features quotes about old baseball players in its loading screen, and one about Vladimir Guerrero always stuck with me: “From his nose to his toes, that’s how Vladdy goes.” He had a voracious appetite for pitches to drive, and Perez is kind of the same. He swings at half the balls he sees and three quarters of the strikes. He doesn’t take pitches. He doesn’t hit grounders. He’s up there trying to put one in the seats, every pitch, every at-bat.

Sometimes, that leads to abysmal slumps. He basically never walks, and if things aren’t clicking, that means a lot of empty trips to the plate. Last year was the worst season of his career offensively, and our harsh grading of his baserunning and defense left him below replacement level. But I never got the sense that he was nearing the end of the road, and he’s come roaring back so far in 2024, never more so than in the last week, when he hit .435/.519/.783 for a 264 wRC+.

Those are just numbers. Watching it is a lot more fun. You’re not supposed to do this to Corbin Burnes when he dots the corner with a sinker:

You’re not supposed to pull a pitch on the far outer reaches of the plate down the left field line, against Kevin Gausman no less:

And I had to go back before this week for this one, but c’mon, this is outrageous:

When the broadcast cut back to Luis Severino, he looked bemused. “That one? OK.” That’s the Salvy effect. He’s up there trying to make highlights for us. When he does, it’s tremendously fun to watch. May he continue his wild-hacking, homer-hunting ways for years to come.





Ben is a writer at FanGraphs. He can be found on Bluesky @benclemens.

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Old Washington Senators FanMember since 2020
2 years ago

That Perez homer looks a lot like the one Anthony Rendon hit vs Clayton Kershaw in Game 5 of the 2019 NLDS…except this pitch was even lower! Incredible.

And both pitchers had similar reactions. Kershaw seemed to be saying, “WTF!?” – and it might have flustered him because on the very next pitch he hung a slider to Juan Soto and Soto did what Soto does with hanging sliders….hit it a country mile.

It’s just April, not the 8th inning of an all-or-nothing game in the playoffs, but I wonder what happened to the next batter Severino faced?

I love this feature! Best read of the day. Thank you!

Brian ReinhartMember since 2016
2 years ago

Sorry to dump this here, but I just did the math and needed a place to put it before today’s loss game. So far the White Sox have lost 4, then won a game, lost 5, then won a game, lost 6, then won a game, and now they’ve lost 7. I decided to treat this like an SAT problem and see how long the pattern could continue.

The answer is, if they kept exactly following that pattern, the final losing streak of the year would be an L17. The win following the L17 streak would be game #161. Assuming they then lost game 162, they’d end the year with a record of 9-153.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Brian Reinhart

This is funny but somehow it’s so apocalyptic I can’t even imagine what would have to happen for a team to win 10 or fewer games over 162. Imagine their entire team gets hurt and they have to call up the entire AAA roster. Per an article Dan wrote earlier this year, their Triple A franchise has a projection of winning 46 games but even if you set them up at 3-22 they would still easily crack 30 wins. 10 wins on the season would be something like the Alabama baseball team this year, good for their level but would get blown away by MLB talent.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Brian Reinhart

But for something less apocalyptic, it’s worth noting that the worst number of runs scored I can find over a “full” season since the league went to 162 games was the White Sox in 1968. They scored 463 runs. The White Sox this year are on pace to only score 363. This is also apocalyptic because 1968 was a famously low-scoring year, but it seems much more attainable to get under 463 runs than only win 9 games (in this scenario the White Sox would probably win at least 25 games).

Brian ReinhartMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  Brian Reinhart

folks…

si.or.noMember since 2017
2 years ago
Reply to  Brian Reinhart

The math went awry somewhere in there. If the pattern starts with 4 losses and a W, and continues up to 17 losses and a W (and then the final L), the White Sox would’ve accrued 14 wins over the season.

For a final record of 14-148.

But then they went and won two in a row.

(I’m reading this on Sunday, and the parent comment has 35 upvotes).

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago

I think when a pitcher is like Jared Jones we usually don’t get to appreciate it because they’re already hyped. When DeGrom was destroying opponents before his arm blew out, he had already been a star for several years and was well known. Same with Kershaw and Gerrit Cole, the latter of which was also the #1 overall pick. Jared Jones was the #56 overall prospect in baseball this year at MLB.com and hadn’t struck out this many batters per inning since he was in A-ball. I don’t think anybody saw this guy coming, which makes the reaction when opponents see him for the first time so pure and fun.

I suppose that won’t last though, either everyone is going to catch on that they’re supposed to rave about him or he’ll blow his arm out. Enjoy it while you can.

O'KieboomerMember since 2021
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

…Spencer Strider would like a word.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  O'Kieboomer

Strider was a good example too. But we no longer rave about him because we both got used to him *and* because he blew out his arm. A cautionary tale…

hughduffy
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Strider’s elbow injury was not your ordinary UCL arm blowout:

“Meister found that a bone fragment had developed in Strider’s ulnar collateral ligament since it had been repaired by Tommy John surgery in 2019. Strider was told he might have been pitching with this fragment in his ligament for at least a couple of years.”

The ligament didn’t have a significant tear. Just bad luck for Spencer Strider.

Brian ReinhartMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

anyone else remember the Corey Kluber Society?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Brian Reinhart

I do now! That was only a little after I started reading fangraphs regularly.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

To properly compare Jones to deGrom it is wise to go back to the beginning of their major league careers and the similarity is striking. Actually Jacob deGrom was anything but a hyped prospect when he made his debut on 5/15/2014. deGrom was a 9th round selection, Jones was picked in the 2nd round, and when the Mets called him up, almost at age 26, it was for little more than a desperation start when the Mets ran out of starters. While his 2014 season at Las Vegas was good, his 2013 stats in the minors were very poor. Even at Binghamton there were more hits than innings pitched, less than 1 K/inning and a grotesque 4.80 ERA in the pitcher friendly Eastern League. I recall that first start quite vividly because he looked great and wondered why he wasn’t more highly regarded. I didn’t catch Jones until he had burst upon the scene but his starts are now on one of my screens, along with Elly and Shohei.

A Salty ScientistMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Right, if this were Skenes, it would be almost expected. DeGrom early in his career though was actually more unexpected. He was a converted position player, old for a rookie, and (I’m pretty sure) never made top 100 lists.

From reading scouting reports on Jones, seems like the consensus is that he had #1/2 stuff, but not the command. From scouting the BB lines, seems like he’s never shown this type of control before let alone command.

HowBoutDemOsMember since 2019
2 years ago

“We’ve never seen man this hulking throw this hard” is Felix Bautista erasure. Mason Miller is really awesome though.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  HowBoutDemOs

I’m pretty sure that the list of MLB flamethrowers is loaded with big guys. Occasionally you get someone like Jordan Hicks (who isn’t small but certainly doesn’t look like a football player), but guys like Stephen Strasburg and Kerry Wood would throw 100 as a starter. And Bruce Rondon, Jonathan Broxton, and Joel Zumaya aren’t quite as tall but are quite thick. I’m not sure how we would define “hulking” but I don’t think I have the same definition as Ben.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

You can put Jhoan Duran on the “hulking” list, too.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  HowBoutDemOs

Well sure. Randy Johnson was pretty long

EstebanMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  HowBoutDemOs

said it above but Aroldis is still the king of hulking pitchers throwing hard.

mordecaiconstantMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  HowBoutDemOs

I read the article as “You’ve never seen a man hulking throw so hard” and thought it was a brilliant euphemism.

Shirtless George Brett
2 years ago
Reply to  HowBoutDemOs

I feel this hulking, hard throwing discussion is ignoring the fact Ohtani is 6’4, 240-ish lbs*

(I know he is listed at 210lbs but if he is 210 then I’m a giraffe. From Mars. Who speaks Italian.)

zaphrodesiac
2 years ago
Reply to  HowBoutDemOs

Kyle Farnsworth was a fun monster out there bodyslamming dudes

LenFuegoMember since 2025
2 years ago
Reply to  HowBoutDemOs

Goose Gossage is the embodiment of a hulking man throwing hard, and I am old enough to have seen him pitch, so yeah, that sentence is just wrong.

Gerry GeurtsMember since 2016
2 years ago

#4 is a microcosm of Lindor’s season thus far. As impressive as making contact on that pitch is, the fact he’s swinging at something so off the mark means he’s just not reading the pitches early right now.

Making contact on pitches outside the zone is like ‘kissing your sister’. More often, it leads to weak contact, like Lindor here. With less than 2 strikes, I’d rather he miss than make that kind of contact.

David WiersMember since 2016
2 years ago

Tucker Barnhart: Why he say f*ck me for? 

dl80Member since 2020
2 years ago
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formerly matt wMember since 2025
2 years ago
Reply to  David Wiers

Just wanted to mention that, on and off for the past two days, I have been thinking of this comment and smiling. Thank you.

jtricheyMember since 2021
2 years ago

So why did Jared Jones have high 3 to mid 4 ERAs in the minors? Why does he seem like he got here out of nowhere? That is what I would like to see a discussion of.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  jtrichey

Well, he’s walking way fewer guys in the majors than he did coming up. He’s also striking out more. Both of these will likely regress as teams get more film on him and hitters have a chance to see him again. But maybe not? That seems unusual, but he certainly could have improved on something in the offseason. Young players do that all the time.

The .238 BABIP and 88.9% LOB are crying out for regression though. Even if the K/BB rates are real there’s some regression coming.

Gerry GeurtsMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  jtrichey

I’d really love to see pitch usage in the minors because if you’re using spring training to get ready for the season and experiment with new pitches, etc, it would be natural to extend this to assume young players use minor league games to work on things rather then always throwing the best pitch at the right time.

steex
2 years ago
Reply to  jtrichey

Cue hacky announcer saying “Jones just isn’t a minor league pitcher, he’s a major league pitcher.”

jsdspudMember since 2018
2 years ago
Reply to  jtrichey

He is quoted saying that the automated strike zone in AAA last year cost him a lot of strikes high in the zone. Hitters were able to lay off high pitches and he got hammered when he went lower in the zone.

dl80Member since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  jsdspud

Good. That’s what should happen.

wokegraphs3
2 years ago
Reply to  jtrichey

I recently watched an interview he gave Pitching Ninja and it sounds like he changed his FB grip this offseason to one that’s more split on the recommendation of fellow Pirates farmhand Thomas Harrington. This gave him a lot more ride and life on the fastball and—he said—improved his control of the pitch as well.

A Salty ScientistMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  jtrichey

It really seems like a command improvement. He’s never had BB rates like this, and watching him, it seems like he’s also painting corners well instead of just throwing down the middle. Sometimes command takes a leap.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
2 years ago

The Lindor cricket hit was definitely the most Vlad Guerrero Sr. thing I’ve seen in a while, but that Turang pitch is otherworldly. Thank you for sharing it. Swinging at a pitch that hits you is something you see maybe once every year or so as a baseball fan, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone swing at a pitch that was on course to hit the dirt directly behind him. One of those pitches that you’d say was physically impossible without the slow-motion video to prove it actually happened.

zaphrodesiac
2 years ago

Idk if golfing bouncers was a Vlad thing, but it was definitely an Ichiro thing

wokegraphs3
2 years ago
Reply to  zaphrodesiac
Thunder Donut
2 years ago

Actually, the Bailey splash hit never splashed! (aka another thing to love about it)

https://theathletic.com/5432042/2024/04/20/sf-giants-patrick-bailey-splash-hit?source=user-shared-article

Fun-Hating DorkMember since 2019
2 years ago

That Jones pitch to Turang had Turang trying to move in two, possibly three different directions at once, and well, when you do that, you usually wind up in the dirt on your butt.

He was swinging, then he tried to stop himself while also trying to get his feet out of the way in what I’m sure was all instinctual reaction, but holy crap, it made him look baaaad.

Re: Mason Miller: fastballs going 100+ should not physically be able to move as much as his does. It’s also sort of ridiculous because he’s this huge guy throwing absolute filth up there, but he looks like a high school sophomore.

Shirtless George Brett
2 years ago

Oh man, if you think Millers fastball is crazy go watch Duran throw 100mph splitters. Its ridiculous. Jose Soriano is another good one. 101 with like 5 inches of run. Pretty sure he would have been accused of witchcraft 50 years ago lol.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago

Perez also has good rCERA numbers. The combination of good SB prevention and good game management can lead people to think he’s a valuable defender. He throws runners out and gets rave reviews from pitchers. The idea that his framing is so horrendous to overwhelm that isn’t intuitive

Shirtless George Brett
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Yeah, its very hard to wrap your head around. I’m someone who has been reading fangraphs for over a decade and know all too well how bad Salvy’s framing numbers are. But I still have trouble reconciling what I know with what I actually see. I think framing is the most difficult idea to really comprehend out of all the different sabr ideas. The idea that it can be a 20+ WAR difference still seems so crazy.

Also, Perez is just awesome in general so its hard to hate on him. Dude is like an excited 7 year old in a very grown ass man’s body haha.

Last edited 2 years ago by Shirtless George Brett
Dmjn53
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

I look at it as the other way around. I’m sure pitchers like throwing to him, but that positive value can’t be greater than his unbelievably bad receiving

nahMember since 2018
2 years ago

Great article, but I think you might have missed the best part of Bailey’s splash hit. The baseball landed in the kayak! It never got wet!

EstebanMember since 2020
2 years ago

Not to take anything away from Mason Miller, but in terms of hulking pitchers throwing that hard, Aroldis is still the champion. He’s listed at 1″ shorter than Miller but is absolutely jacked.

newsenseMember since 2020
2 years ago

JJ Day, not to be confused with JJ Bleday

Shirtless George Brett
2 years ago

Wild fact; The difference between Perez with framing and without framing is one whole Eric Karros. 

Karros put up 17.8 fWAR in his 13 year career. Perez has a 17.7 difference between his bWAR and fWAR.

Last edited 2 years ago by Shirtless George Brett
Six Ten
2 years ago

Viewed another way, it’s also one Ryan Doumit plus one Juan Castro plus one Neifi Perez, a combined -17.6 fWAR.

Perez by bWAR: best version of himself and three replacement guys
Perez by fWAR: best version of himself and those three utter black holes of anti-productivity

Last edited 2 years ago by Six Ten
Cody CookMember since 2023
2 years ago

Salvy’s catcher framing runs is currently positive and his walk rate is double his long term average. I wonder if getting days off behind the plate is having a positive impact on both his offensive and defensive production. I haven’t done a compare, but it sure seems like Fermin is getting a lot more time behind the plate than last year.

Shirtless George Brett
2 years ago
Reply to  Cody Cook

Nah. He hasnt been a full time catcher for basically 3 years now so i doubt thats it. Its probably just small sample noise. If he keeps running an 8% BB all year i will eat both out hats.

LaBellaVitaMember since 2018🏆 MVP
2 years ago

 Perez: We think he’s been worth only 16.6 WAR in his career, while Baseball Reference’s calculation, which omits framing, has him at 34.3. That makes him a stats-versus-eye-test lightning rod.

This leads to a possible article: Which players possess the greatest difference between their fWAR and bWAR values and why?

A Salty ScientistMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  LaBellaVita

Yady is also a big one. 42.4 bWAR and 55.6 fWAR. Borderline HOFer by bWAR (22nd) and cracks 10th overall by fWAR.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
2 years ago

And where extreme framing stats are involved, can’t go wrong with Ryan Doumit: 8.9 bWAR and -8.1 fWAR. Serviceable major leaguer or literally the second-worst player of the live ball era.

Which raises the question: what was Doug Flynn’s deal?

Dmjn53
2 years ago

Not sure I understand the Lindor blurb. His career contact rate is more or less league average, or slightly above, year to year