Fouling at Nothing

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On Monday night, I had the privilege of attending a game in which the Reds’ best left-handed starter, Andrew Abbott, faced the Phillies’ best left-handed hitter, Bryce Harper, three times. Abbott got the better of Harper, who went 0-for-3 with a strikeout against the Cincinnati starter and 0-for-5 overall. But the qualities of each player got me thinking.

When Harper swings the bat, one of two things happens. In scenario no. 1, he squares it up and hits it so hard it causes bruising on the deceased ancestors of the workers who stitched the ball together at the Rawlings factory. Sure enough, Harper tagged Abbott’s teammates for three home runs just 24 hours later.

Otherwise, Harper misses it. He can miss it by a lot, in which case he just swings through it, or he misses it by a little. Those swings manifest themselves either in balls fouled straight back to the screen, or in fly balls that go straight up in the air and stay there long enough for the outfielder to take out his phone, and queue up Meat Loaf’s “Bat Out of Hell,” so the ball lands right at the climax of the second chorus. You know the part: “Like a sinner / before / the gates of Heaven / I’ll come crawling on back to you.” The loud one, like five and a half minutes into the song.

Abbott is an interesting matchup for this kind of hitter, because he lives and dies by “misses it by a little.” His style of pitching is like the angled armor on a main battle tank, which is designed not to absorb the impact of an incoming projectile but to deflect and disperse it in a direction where it can’t do any harm.

For example: The third-inning fly out Abbott induced against Harper, which came off the bat at 95.4 mph. Last regular season, Harper put 160 balls in play at 95 mph or more; 92 of them were base hits, 47 extra-base hits, and 21 were home runs. This one, which came off a hanging curveball, traveled an innocuous 244 feet and became an out, because Harper just got under it.

It was that kind of night for Harper, who saw 20 pitches and fouled off five of them. But it got me thinking: Is there something to that just-missed-it foul ball? It’s an article of baseball faith, after all, that a pitch that’s fouled straight back is closer to being hit on the screws than most balls that are actually put in play. Is there a correlation between how good a hitter (or a pitcher) is and how many foul balls he produces?

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An in-depth study would involve testing multiple hypotheses using multiple forms of data. I had Baseball Savant, Microsoft Excel, and somewhere between six to eight hours to get this idea from conception to editorial doneness. Blog is Life.

For the purposes of this exercise, I chose to study all pitches from the 2023 regular season, the 2023 postseason, and all major league regular season action through April 1. And I limited the sample to pitchers who had thrown 750 or more pitches (there were 391 of them in total) and batters who had seen 750 or more pitches (371 of them in total).

Here are the top 10 pitchers and hitters in foul ball rate.

Top 10 in Foul%, 2023-Present
Pitcher Foul% wOBA Hitter Foul% wOBA
Chris Martin 24.0 .244 Bo Bichette 24.3 .349
Emilio Pagán 23.8 .241 Mauricio Dubón 23.9 .309
Joe Ryan 23.6 .314 Edmundo Sosa 23.8 .309
Johnny Cueto 23.5 .362 Ozzie Albies 23.7 .362
Brock Burke 23.1 .331 Gio Urshela 23.7 .308
Carlos Rodón 22.9 .355 Will Brennan 22.8 .284
Carlos Estévez 22.8 .316 Freddy Fermin 22.5 .328
Luis Severino 22.7 .394 Salvador Perez 22.3 .304
Shawn Armstrong 22.3 .246 Ezequiel Tovar 22.2 .298
Louie Varland 22.3 .336 Reese McGuire 22.1 .299
SOURCE: Baseball Savant

See a pattern? I don’t, really. There are good pitchers and bad pitchers, good hitters and bad hitters. The hitters do tend to be free swingers, and short, for what it’s worth. Perez is the only hitter in the top 10 with a listed height greater than 6-foot.

But that gets into a problem with measuring raw whiff rate. Because you have to swing in order to swing and miss, more aggressive hitters will hit more foul balls. In kind of a fishing expedition, I found the correlation coefficient between foul ball percentage and a number of plate discipline stats and overall offensive metrics. If this were an academic paper — and you can tell it’s not, because there was a Meat Loaf reference above the break — I’d give you a table with all those values in the name of scientific transparency. But because this is a less formal publication, I won’t bother.

Trust me, it’s just a bunch of zeroes, for both hitters and pitchers. The only stat that comes out with a strong correlation is swing rate. So let’s account for that. Does foul balls per swing predict any measure of offensive quality?

Correlation Between Fouls/Swing and Various Statistics
Stat Hitters Pitchers
Barrel/BBE -0.1708 0.1418
HardHit% -0.1767 0.0873
wOBA 0.1579 0.0867
xwOBA 0.1447 0.0606
SOURCE: Baseball Savant

The hitters are at least getting up over 0.10 in some of these categories, which is probably just noise, but at least it’s not a slam dunk for the null hypothesis.

Let’s look at the leaderboards for foul balls per swing and see if that tells us anything. Here’s the top 10 for both hitters and pitchers:

Top 10 in Fouls per Swing, 2023-Present
Pitcher Fouls/Swing wOBA Hitter Fouls/Swing wOBA
Bryan Baker 0.467 .294 Bo Naylor 0.461 .346
Johnny Cueto 0.448 .362 Isaac Paredes 0.460 .359
Ron Marinaccio 0.446 .315 Jake Cronenworth 0.459 .305
Josh Hader 0.446 .238 Nathaniel Lowe 0.452 .335
Sean Manaea 0.444 .299 Justin Turner 0.444 .347
Drew Smith 0.440 .335 Sal Frelick 0.440 .299
Carlos Estévez 0.439 .316 Ozzie Albies 0.437 .362
Luis Severino 0.437 .394 Anthony Santander 0.435 .342
Daniel Bard 0.434 .345 Will Smith 0.433 .354
Emilio Pagán 0.433 .241 Josh Smith 0.433 .288
SOURCE: Baseball Savant

And the bottom 10:

Bottom 10 in Fouls per Swing, 2023-Present
Pitcher Fouls/Swing wOBA Hitter Fouls/Swing wOBA
Robert Stephenson 0.266 .243 Jazz Chisholm Jr. 0.287 .318
Alex Lange 0.275 .297 Eloy Jiménez 0.295 .321
Jovani Moran 0.282 .307 Mark Vientos 0.301 .267
Elvis Peguero 0.282 .270 Jose Siri 0.301 .320
Giovanny Gallegos 0.289 .322 Francisco Alvarez 0.306 .317
Josh Sborz 0.303 .270 Kevin Kiermaier 0.308 .315
Yency Almonte 0.307 .325 Christian Bethancourt 0.308 .266
Gregory Santos 0.308 .283 Harrison Bader 0.311 .269
Jordan Romano 0.313 .281 Javier Báez 0.312 .258
Alex Young 0.314 .324 Nick Castellanos 0.316 .333
SOURCE: Baseball Savant

We’re getting closer, but there are good and bad pitchers on both of these lists. The hitters with high foul-per-swing ratios tend to be aggressive hitters who do a lot of damage — you can see some of the holdovers from the swing plane revolution in there — while the ones who don’t foul off a lot of pitches are just free swingers, period. In fact, if there’s a unifying trend on the bottom 10 hitters list, it’s guys whose wRC+ ought to be about 20 points higher than it was last year: Báez, Jiménez, Chisholm, Castellanos.

Let’s try one last ratio: Fouls per whiff. Not only does this null out the aggressiveness factor, a higher foul-to-whiff ratio would mean that a hitter isn’t missing by much. Conversely, pitchers who allow relatively few foul balls per whiff are not only missing the barrel, they’re routinely missing the whole bat.

Correlation Between Fouls/Whiff and Various Statistics
Stat Pitchers Hitters
Barrel/BBE 0.113 0.578
HardHit% 0.167 -0.423
wOBA 0.403 0.053
xwOBA 0.460 0.040
SOURCE: Baseball Savant

Now we’re getting somewhere. This indicates a fairly strong linear relationship between pitchers’ foul/whiff ratios and their results. Specifically: When they allow more foul balls per whiff, they allow a higher opponent wOBA and xwOBA, and the opposite. Conversely, hitters who foul off a lot of pitches per whiff have a higher barrel rate per batted ball event, but a lower HardHit%. Both relationships are fairly strong, but they go in opposite directions.

That’s about to make more sense. Once again, let’s look at the top 10 and bottom 10 in this ratio.

Top 10 in Fouls per Whiff, 2023-Present
Pitcher Foul/Whiff wOBA Hitter Foul/Whiff wOBA
Ty Blach 2.691 .389 Luis Arraez 5.449 .363
Brusdar Graterol 2.623 .242 Nick Madrigal 3.978 .292
Adam Wainwright 2.615 .413 Steven Kwan 3.551 .314
Jake Woodford 2.517 .404 Nico Hoerner 3.172 .320
Miles Mikolas 2.446 .335 Alejandro Kirk 3.140 .304
Andrew Vasquez 2.375 .316 Jeff McNeil 3.019 .310
Jake Irvin 2.364 .338 Myles Straw 3.016 .268
Tyler Alexander 2.343 .324 Sal Frelick 2.935 .299
Johnny Cueto 2.322 .362 Jake Cronenworth 2.920 .305
Jason Foley 2.237 .271 Ildemaro Vargas 2.845 .295
SOURCE: Baseball Savant

The top 10 hitters in foul balls per whiff are either Punch-and-Judy hitters or the absolute S-tier bat control freaks. Of course there’s a negative correlation between foul balls per whiff and HardHit%; the hitters with the highest foul-to-whiff ratios are going up there playing a finesse tennis game and hitting .320 on a diet of soft line drives. Aim small, miss small.

Bottom 10 in Fouls per Whiff, 2023-Present
Pitcher Foul/Whiff wOBA Hitter Foul/Whiff wOBA
Robert Stephenson 0.574 .243 Trayce Thompson 0.761 .266
Alex Lange 0.697 .297 Jose Siri 0.762 .320
Jovani Moran 0.761 .307 Joey Gallo 0.789 .311
Giovanny Gallegos 0.775 .322 Jazz Chisholm Jr. 0.799 .318
Devin Williams 0.777 .223 Mark Vientos 0.818 .267
Andrés Muñoz 0.795 .278 Luke Raley 0.827 .348
Bryan Abreu 0.795 .271 Brent Rooker 0.830 .342
Félix Bautista 0.813 .218 Christian Bethancourt 0.842 .266
Aroldis Chapman 0.833 .264 Mickey Moniak 0.853 .337
Matt Brash 0.842 .292 Elehuris Montero 0.864 .304
SOURCE: Baseball Savant

Conversely, the list of pitchers with the lowest foul-to-whiff ratios is just a list of the nastiest relievers in baseball, and the accompanying list of hitters is a bunch of guys who swing from their heels. Perhaps that’s a little unkind; you can be a good hitter overall while not fouling many pitches off. Rooker was an All-Star last year, and Aaron Judge missed being on the end of this list by three spots. And again, when it comes to results for hitters, foul balls per whiff is pretty agnostic when it comes to performance.

As much fun as this was, measuring hitter or pitcher quality by tracking foul balls is a bit like determining the weight of land-based animals by measuring the width of their ears. You’ll end up pointing in the right direction, just because the top of your list will be dominated by elephants, but there are much simpler ways to get to the right answer.

Nevertheless, I still believe there’s a correlation between quality of contact and fouling the ball straight back. With more detailed data — and in the hands of a more capable statistician — there might be some valuable insight to be gained.





Michael is a writer at FanGraphs. Previously, he was a staff writer at The Ringer and D1Baseball, and his work has appeared at Grantland, Baseball Prospectus, The Atlantic, ESPN.com, and various ill-remembered Phillies blogs. Follow him on Twitter, if you must, @MichaelBaumann.

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Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago

This was awesomely written even though it was utterly inconclusive

TalinMember since 2021
2 years ago

Enjoyable read and a friendly presentation on a topic I’ve never considered. Well done!

NATS FanMember since 2018
2 years ago

Interesting to a point

EonADSMember since 2024
2 years ago

Luis Arraez having 5.45 fouls per whiff is both utterly expected and utterly insane.

Also, Tony Gwynn’s lifetime strikeout rate is 4.2%, even lower than Arraez’ season last year at 5.5%. How insane would his fouls per whiff have been? Cripes.

Barney Coolio
2 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

I am from San Diego and grew up witnessing the best day of Tony Gwynn’s hitting. It pains me when people say he was overrated, but I have come to terms with batting average being overrated.

Still, guys with consistently high batting averages are really fun, even if they lack power.

I liked guys like Gwynn, Ichiro, and Juan Pierre. I am glad that Luis Arraez exists. He is primarily a second baseman who also plays other positions. I wonder if teams would allow an outfielder to hit like Tony Gwynn now.

Tony Gwynn Jr. was talking about this on the radio a few days ago. He said that young prospects today are more likely to adjust their approach to hit more homers as that is what teams expect. I do not remember which Giants or Cardinals hitter he was referring to.

EonADSMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  Barney Coolio

Overrated when you’re talking about an indisputable Hall of Fame player is relative. Gwynn was a marvel. Maybe there were better ways to approach the game, but his way worked. And it’s not like he’s the only guy who has had success that way. It’s less common today, but guys like Bregman, J-Ram, Mookie, Altuve, Alejandro Kirk, and Yandy Diaz all take lessons from what Gwynn brought. Foul off pitches you can’t hit, don’t chase overmuch, and make quality contact over trying to hit everything for homers. They all have more power than Gwynn, but you can see his influence.

Steven Kwan is also pretty solidly in the Gwynn mold so far in his career.

Last edited 2 years ago by EonADS
Barney Coolio
2 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

More reflections on how baseball has changed since Tony Gwynn’s career.

When he got hit #3000 in 1999 at age 39, he said, “I am talking 4000.” Jerry Coleman, the SD radio guy said, “I think that would take at least 5 years.” Both are ridiculous comments, that I don’t think a player would even consider saying today.

Also, Tony had a brother named Chris Gwynn who played parts of 10 seasons in the majors mainly as a pinch hitter, only accumulating 1100 MLB PAs. Only the first three were split between the minors and majors.

Two brothers made the majors and both of their careers would have looked quite a bit different if they were 20 or even 10 years younger. Chris might not have even made the majors.

96mncMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Barney Coolio

Teams would absolutely allow (and want) a guy like Gywnn in their OF. Especially with his defense and speed.

Manco
2 years ago

Interesting. However, feels more like a whiff analysis using foul balls rates. I wonder if foul balls can be bucketed further by type. In particular some are crushed and others are defensive tips; even inside or outside the zone foul balls. There definitely is a rabbit hole if you have the necessary data.

BryzMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  Manco

I doubt the data exists, excluding “hard fouls” (near home runs) and all other foul balls as the two groups because that was something I tracked in a past baseball job. I think it would be useful though to see if there’s any info contained in the different types of batted balls that result from fouls.

dickfuldMember since 2016
2 years ago

If there is a way to tease out groundball fouls from flyballs there could be something there.

Browns0286Member since 2018
2 years ago

Awesome read! I loved the measuring-ear-width analogy in the conclusion.

TKDCMember since 2016
2 years ago

I believe there was a study a long time ago (10 plus years ago) that said there was little correlation of foul balls and good offensive players for 0-1 strike but better hitters had a much higher foul ball rate on 2 strikes.

There’s obviously a big difference between the two (one adds a strike, the other avoids an out), though it seems the idea of fouling off two strike pitches as a strategy has diminished.

laughingstockMember since 2025
2 years ago

Fouls per whiff having high correlation with outcomes doesn’t tell us much. We know whiffs are extremely predictive. If you correlate X/whiffs with something, and find a high correlation, you can’t assume it’s because of X; X could be random noise and you’d still find a correlation.

Captain Tenneal
2 years ago

When I looked at predicting strikeout and walk rates using plate discipline numbers and markov chains a few years ago, I had to briefly investigate some foul ball data. Since I needed to separate fouls from balls in play, my main metric was foul balls as a percentage of a batter’s total contacted balls. The league average was 50% (so for every foul ball there is 1 ball in play), and the range was roughly 40% to 60%. The 40% guys were like Michael Bourn and Ben Revere. The 60% guys were Mike Trout and other power hitters. I don’t have the list still, but I’m positive the highest 10 batters by that metric were a better group of hitters than the lowest 10.

I also didn’t notice much effect from the count. The most extreme count (0-2) had a 52/48 split instead of 50/50, and I don’t think the batters changed meaningfully from their overall rates. There was a small effect from pitch location; pitches in the zone were 47% foul and pitches out of the zone were 55% foul.

tmthjdbMember since 2016
2 years ago

This was fantastic. I grew up watching Wade Boggs, whose ability to foul off 2-strike pitches made him the most annoying hitter to opponents it seemed. Someone up thread raised the idea that 2-strike foulers were different from other foulers but that 2-strike foulers are probably less valuable now than previously. That makes me sad.

It’s intuitive that a pitcher that induces a lot of foul balls is probably not a high-K type pitcher (it’s not “hit and miss” stuff if it’s a foul), but then you see Bautista and Chapman there. I would have thought high foul rates would correlate to “weak contact” pitcher types rather than K?

Morris GreenbergMember since 2020
2 years ago

Is just whiff% higher correlated than fouls/whiff on the various measures? It might be that what you teased out is guys that whiff rarely are good, and the fouling just adds noise.

This article poses an interesting question, but it feels like to treat the problem properly, it may require moving to a statistical software over Excel to be able to explore more beyond just top 10/bottom 10 and correlation.

gabriel
2 years ago

I would be more interested in foul balls per ball in play. By measuring per whiff, you’re mostly measuring overall contact ability, not a proclivity to foul balls off per se.

MRDXolMember since 2021
2 years ago

The bottom 10 hitters in foul-per-swing are the most interesting group to me. It’s something along the lines of: these are talented, powerful hitters with bad swing decisions holding them back. Siri or Chisholm, for example, are just trying to destroy the ball every swing, and they don’t have great bat control when doing that.

Jimenez and Baez, however, are perhaps held back by their weak contact staying in play. Baez has never met a slider he didn’t want to hack at, but his bat speed and bat-to-ball ability is still really good– he times up pitches out of the zone so they stay fair, but that’s rarely contact quality that he WANTS to stay fair.

Jimenez is swing-wise the inverse of Chisholm or Baez, crazy rotational athletes hacking from their heels. He’s massively strong and swings with rather little effort, which means he does make contact often, but it means getting fooled on a pitch means he grounds out weakly instead of whiffing or fouling it off.

Last edited 2 years ago by MRDXol
chuck e
2 years ago

Would it be interesting to separate less than 2 strikes from with 2 strikes. A lot of really good hitters are more selective with 2 strikes, and most power guys are swinging for the fences early in the count. For the singles guys, (and Gallo) it probably doesn’t matter much.