Gen-Z Is Killing the Curveball

Friends, I come to you today to relieve my soul of a burden I’ve been carrying. I’ve been harboring a cranky, irrational, old man opinion, and worse still, I’ve been lying to you about it.
Time and again, while evaluating pitchers, I’ve praised the slider. Dylan Cease’s slider? Incredible. Andrés Muñoz, Chris Sale, whoever. In the kayfabe my position demands, I must praise a slider that gets outs. But my heart isn’t in it. I am awed by the slider’s effectiveness the same way I’m awed by the voraciousness of a swarm of locusts.
Deep down, I detest the slider. It is a crude instrument, with none of the curveball’s grace or the changeup’s playfulness. The curveball is a calligraphy brush, all swooping lines and fine control. The changeup is a Blackwing pencil, rich and precise, its marks here one moment and gone the next.
The slider is a crayon.
It is a blunt, imprecise tool, the perfect pitch for this moment in history, an age of postliterate maximalism in all areas of life, baseball included. There’s a (probably apocryphal) story about the Red Army at Stalingrad, depicted memorably in Enemy at the Gates: Soldiers would arrive at the front to find that there weren’t enough rifles to go around. So the Red Army officers would send unarmed men to the front and tell them to take a gun from a dead comrade.
The modern major league team must be restrained by statute to an eight-man bullpen, and the path to the playoffs frequently leaves that many exhausted arms on the injured list. If the GM is Marshal Zhukhov, the slider is the Mosin-Nagant. Do not be alarmed. A bullpen spot will become available soon.
Perhaps I might not find the slider so objectionable, so noisome, if it were not eating its more beautiful, venerable sibling: the curveball.

This season, just 8.12% of total pitches thrown have been curveballs, which is the lowest mark of the pitch tracking era. The league-wide curveball rate is down almost exactly a third from its all-time high, which was as recent as 2020. (These figures include all pitches in the curveball group, so true curves, knuckle curves, and “slow curves,” according to Baseball Savant, while the slider group includes sliders, sweepers, and slurves.)
Now, I called my hatred of the slider and love of the curveball an “old man opinion” because having a fierce normative opinion based on absolutely no empirical evidence at all has long been the province of the old man. (While writing this sentence, I ever so briefly imagined a version of Archie Bunker who lived during the age of 24-hour cable news and became so frightened I had to get up and go for a walk.)
But this is also an old man opinion because, more and more, the curveball is an old man’s pitch. Not only is the curveball decreasing in popularity, older pitchers are accounting for a greater percentage of those few curveballs that do get thrown. I took the population of pitchers and sorted it into five buckets by age: 23 and under, 24 to 27, 28 to 31, 32 to 35, and 36 and up.
Over the past 17 seasons, the average age of the major league pitcher, sorted by workload, has shifted slightly older. For the first 16 seasons, the most populous bucket in every season was the 24-to-27 age group; in the late 2000s, that group threw about 300,000 pitches a year, while the 28-to-31s threw less than 200,000 pitches a year. But that gap narrowed gradually throughout the 2010s and into the 2020s:

This season, we finally saw convergence. The 28-to-31s have thrown about 4,600 more pitches so far this season than the 24-to-27s. And while the percentage of pitches thrown by the 32-and-up group held steady at around 20% from 2008 to 2022, the past two seasons, these graybeards have thrown about a quarter of the league’s total pitches.
So cancel that botox appointment: 31 is the new 24.
Originally, I was looking at a pretty appalling shift in age profile for curveball users. In 2008, 52.6% of curveballs were thrown by pitchers 27 and younger; this year, that’s down to 37.7%. But those raw numbers exaggerate the trend, because the league as a whole is getting more work from older pitchers.
To get a more realistic appraisal of the age profile of curveball users, we have to compare the percentage of the league’s curveballs thrown by each age group to the percentage of total pitches thrown by each age group.
At this point, I realized that I was looking for something that could be expressed the same way as a plus statistic, like wRC+ or OPS+. So for each year, I took each age group’s curveball usage rate and compared it to the league-wide curveball usage rate, using 100 as a baseline. In 2013, 32- to 35-year-olds threw 13.52% of the league’s curveballs and 13.51% of its total pitches. So for that season, that age group gets a Curveball+ score (for lack of a better name, it’s not like anyone’s ever going to use this nomenclature again) of an even 100. Cohorts that throw more curveballs than average get a higher score; those that throw less than the league average get a lower score.
To make the outliers more obvious, I’ve marked scores under 90 in blue, scores between 111 and 120 in orange, and scores over 120 in red:
| Curveball+ by Age Group | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Year | 23U | 24-27 | 28-31 | 32-35 | 36+ |
| 2008 | 96 | 101 | 117 | 81 | 66 |
| 2009 | 103 | 98 | 112 | 102 | 58 |
| 2010 | 95 | 95 | 106 | 115 | 68 |
| 2011 | 94 | 94 | 105 | 119 | 77 |
| 2012 | 102 | 94 | 106 | 117 | 67 |
| 2013 | 117 | 101 | 96 | 100 | 90 |
| 2014 | 99 | 101 | 100 | 99 | 97 |
| 2015 | 113 | 99 | 101 | 97 | 90 |
| 2016 | 105 | 99 | 102 | 101 | 76 |
| 2017 | 92 | 96 | 103 | 108 | 90 |
| 2018 | 82 | 100 | 101 | 104 | 118 |
| 2019 | 96 | 95 | 107 | 96 | 123 |
| 2020 | 73 | 100 | 102 | 100 | 141 |
| 2021 | 111 | 90 | 100 | 102 | 161 |
| 2022 | 92 | 95 | 94 | 106 | 178 |
| 2023 | 88 | 96 | 93 | 103 | 177 |
| 2024 | 83 | 98 | 99 | 102 | 129 |
Old guys have thrown a disproportionate share of curveballs over the past six or seven years, and a hugely disproportionate share since the pandemic.
And here’s where things get really scary. Once we’re splitting hairs this fine — with 36-and-over pitchers in a single season, throwing a single pitch type — we’re not talking about that many pitches. That 178 in 2022 is just 5,823 curveballs, out of a total of 717,945 pitches thrown league-wide over the entire season.
So what made the curveball take off so much among old pitchers in the early 2010s?
I can actually pinpoint the specific date everything changed: November 12, 2019. That’s the day Charlie Morton turned 36, and aged into that last bucket. Even though Morton only started nine regular-season games in 2020 and went very light on the hook by his standards, he accounted for 16.4% of all curveballs thrown by pitchers 36 and over in 2020.
And what accounts for the sharp decline from 2023 to 2024? Rich Hill hasn’t pitched this season. Since 2020, Hill and Morton have accounted for about a third of the Old Guy Curveballs in the league every year:
| Year | Morton and Hill | All 36+ Pitchers | Percentage |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2020 | 503 | 1,316 | 38.22% |
| 2021 | 2,039 | 5,660 | 36.02% |
| 2022 | 1,830 | 5,823 | 31.43% |
| 2023 | 2,141 | 5,872 | 36.46% |
| 2024 | 882 | 2,658 | 33.18% |
These two are stemming the tide. And they’re not going to keep going forever. A one percentage point drop in the league-wide curveball rate is about 7,000 pitches a year. If Hill and Morton are good for 2,000 curveballs a year, replacing them with slider jockeys is going to have a measurable impact on this endangered species.
And the population is only getting older. Here are the 10 highest curveball rates (combined curve and knuckle-curve) among pitchers with at least 70 innings this year:
| Name | Team | Age | CU% |
|---|---|---|---|
| Charlie Morton | ATL | 40 | 41.60% |
| Jake Irvin | WSN | 27 | 33.40% |
| Aaron Nola | PHI | 31 | 32.15% |
| Framber Valdez | HOU | 30 | 31.09% |
| James Paxton | LAD/BOS | 35 | 30.27% |
| Jordan Montgomery | ARI | 31 | 29.57% |
| Ryan Yarbrough | LAD/TBR | 32 | 28.92% |
| Jose Quintana | NYM | 35 | 28.76% |
| José Berríos | TOR | 30 | 28.74% |
| Zac Gallen | ARI | 28 | 27.56% |
Lowering the innings threshold doesn’t make things much better; the league leader with a 50-inning minimum is 35-year-old Drew Smyly, who’s thrown his curveball 47.3% of the time this season.
Curveballs, then, are like ankle socks and reaction GIFs: They’re going to die out with the Geriatric Millennials, leaving us to suffer through a dystopia where one-inning fastball-slider guys are grown in vats by the thousand, then used up and discarded. The artists, the technicians, the Mortons and Hills, are not long for this league. I pity the generations to come.
Michael is a writer at FanGraphs. Previously, he was a staff writer at The Ringer and D1Baseball, and his work has appeared at Grantland, Baseball Prospectus, The Atlantic, ESPN.com, and various ill-remembered Phillies blogs. Follow him on Twitter, if you must, @MichaelBaumann.
One of my favorite fangraphs articles of the year. Thanks
Agreed, but also one of the saddest articles of the year! I’ve been tuning into Kershaw’s middling comeback starts this month because there’s nothing as pretty and oooh-inducing as a big wide curve.
I’m imagining Nolan Ryan, Bert Blyleven, Barry Zito and Adam Wainwright throw curves.
Bob Gibson and Max Scherzer were certainly great but their pitches were less memorable
Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson did have awesome sliders though
Someone needs to tell these zoomers that curveballs are bussin, no cap.
You’re rizzing up the hammer!
That actually helps me pinpoint why I like Gavin Williams and Tanner Bibee so much, both of them have very pleasant and effective curveballs!
As opposed to, say, Zach Eflin, whose curve has been…less-than-effective this year.
Maybe the reason curveballs are thrown by old people is that they survive into old age with elbows intact. The guys in that last table seem pretty healthy.
Another top of the line pitcher with a good health history and who does throw curveballs, although not as much as the slider, is Gerrit Cole. It’s not a huge part of his arsenal but does help play off everything else
“The modern major league team must be restrained by statute to an eight-man bullpen, and the path to the playoffs frequently leaves that many exhausted arms on the injured list. If the GM is Marshal Zhukhov, the slider is the Mosin-Nagant. Do not be alarmed. A bullpen spot will become available soon.”
I have to admit, I typically find your writing overwrought and eye roll-worthy, but this is literature. Arguably one of the the best paragraphs ever written on this site, and easily the best article I’ve read on Fangraphs this season.
Literature so bleak it made me laugh nervously. Loved it.
I find Baumann annoying too but didn’t share your rapture over that commie glorifying paragraph.
“Commie glorifying” *eye roll* good lord touch some grass
I appreciate commitment to the bit, but sometimes you have to acknowledge that bright sparks outside your matchbox exist.
Just balancing the chorus to say that Michael (and Davy) produce my favourite writing on this site. This was a great paragraph but I was not surprised by its greatness.
I wonder if there are “generational” cycles with pitch types, where certain pitches are seen as better/worse and so then pitching coaches focus on the “better” ones. Then over time hitters become more successful against those pitches, so the next generation of pitchers re-discover an old pitch that had fallen out of vogue.
Maybe we’ll see hitter effectiveness against sliders eventually go up since that’s all they see. And in 10 years there will be a group of rookies attacking the slider-sluggers with their new-fangled curveballs.
Yes, it seemed like there were always a couple knuckleballers to keep that pitch alive. Until there weren’t, and baseball is worse off.
A knuckleballer who was having an ok season just got sent down
There should have been a mention of the potential curveball bastions of the current generation:
Mitchell Parker
Hayden Birdsong
Ben Brown
Gavin Williams
Will Klein
All five of these guys are in their age-24 or younger season, have thrown at least 100 curves, and throw it at least 20% of the time. Hope shines eternal.
While not quite that often, River Ryan threw a really good one, which is another reason I’m sad to see him go down.
As a Nats fan, I had been waiting to get home and start pulling pitch usage data for Irvin and Parker, expecting them to be high on the list of curveball pitchers.
Man, this captured so many feelings I have that I could never articulate this well. Surely some asshole(s) is out there trying to get AI to design the ideal breaking ball. Can’t wait for that…
So, what’s driving this trend? Are sliders easier to learn than curveballs? Easier to command? More effective on a per-pitch basis? More effective when paired with modern fastballs? Or what?
And will the trend be sustained? I mean, fewer than 10 years ago, as the Astros emerged from their tank with a reputation as the smartest org in baseball, it looked like the future of pitching was what the Astros were drafting and developing: 4-seamers at the top of the zone paired with 12-6 curveballs at the bottom of the zone. Whatever happened to that approach to pitching, and will it ever come back?
Curves seem to be harder to throw for strikes and therefore easier to take if it’s not a really good one that can be thrown for strikes or in the dirt depending on what the pitcher wants
I assume velocity and the many easily associated benefits. It’s easier to throw a very hard slider than a very hard “true” curveball, maybe. Maybe a pitch shape thing too since teams don’t like a hump even in the low minors (is the impression I got from one unofficial comment at an A ball game 3 years ago)
I pitched in the Mexican league for a little over a year. But I wasn’t a pitcher, I was more or less a lifelong catcher.
For me, as someone that didn’t focus on pitching or hone anything until the year they rode me, a slider was a lot easier to throw, and a lot more forgiving because a slider that backs up on someone is an unintentional good pitch, whereas a curve doesn’t back up, it hangs, and is an unintentional terrible pitch.
I think part of it too is I always felt that a curve is easier for someone with really big hands, like if Johnny Bench ever pitched, I always imagined that he’d be able to spin it.
Anyway, IMO a curve and especially a change need more feel. A slider is a bit more of a crude tool. For context, I started over 40 games, and I had ONE mound visit from the manager*. That one visit, the ONLY thing he EVER said to me on the mound was “Matt. Throw fucking harder.” And then he gave kinda a Kirk Gibson type pump and walked away.
You don’t want that pitcher throwing a curve ball, not even as a show me pitch. Weirdly, as a kid which was the last time I pitched before the Mexican league, I threw a curve – my dad wouldn’t let me throw a slider – and the first two games I ever pitched I came on in relief and I was a fastball/curveball only. I can’t even remember how we scrapped my curve, but I know it happened pretty quick and it had a lot of problems, e.g. I’d slow my arm action to telegraph it then not break my wrist enough and leave it hanging so really my curve was just a way to change baseballs.
*we had a pitching coach that would come out now and then. Incidentally, our manager was gosh, mid 40s, maybe pushing 50, and he was a part-time player, VERY part-time, he’d put himself on the mound in blowouts maybe a half dozen games a year when he was trying to save an arm. He couldn’t thrown more than 70MPH, if that, but ironically he had this awesome HUGE looping curveball that everyone on opposing teams would joke about. He was no professional pitcher. And dammit if his curve wasn’t legit. And his hands weren’t bigger than mine. Whatever that means for my theory above.
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The emergence of different pitches has a lot to do with the prevailing hitting style/strategy of the time.
Witness the strategy changes that led to the favored pitches of the current era. In the mid-10s the teams all realized that the HR was where it was at, and that it was worth it for everyone to swing for the fences in lieu of the short game.
As such everyone changed their swing to an uppercut, and HRs went way up.
Pitchers noticed this, and came up with a strategy that would defeat uppercut swings. That strategy was to utilize a four-seam fastball high in the zone, a pitch that was completely out of vogue in the 90s and 00s. Nobody was throwing a high four-seamer in that era – the only pitcher I can think of who threw one consistently was Barry Zito, who threw it off his curveball. Then suddenly in the late 10s everybody was throwing high four-seamers, almost overnight.
A high four-seam fastball, especially with modern velocity, couldn’t be uppercutted effectively. Batters would swing under it, or be too slow for it (the other issue with uppercut swings is that your bat spends less time on the same plane as the ball than it does with a level swing, so it’s a lot easier to swing and miss entirely with an uppercut than it is if you’re swinging levelly). Hence the massive rise in strikeouts we saw in the second half of the 10s.
The other half of this equation was deemphasizing pitches that favor an uppercut swing, i.e. the curveball. You still need a breaking pitch, but you want it to be on more of a level plane than a curveball, which drops down toward a hitter’s bat. Hence, sliders/cutters.
As an aside, sliders are also easier to teach and require less feel/ability to impart spin than a curveball. I wouldn’t call throwing a slider “natural”, but it’s a lot more natural than throwing a curveball, which is extremely unnatural and much harder for pitchers to pick up when they’re young.
This will all change when batters create a strategic counter to the high fastball, and a new meta will emerge.
Yeah, it used to be that a 4-seamer high in the zone was a good pitch on which to hit a home run. (Meanwhile, 2-seamers are better pitched low to get ground balls, both then and now.) Back then, if you were going to throw a high fastball, you needed to get the batter to chase it either ABOVE the strike zone or outside it (or both).
There were always high fastball pitchers even ones who didn’t throw exceptionally hard – Jim Palmer, Sid Fernandez, Barry Zito, Tall Chris Young. It was just a matter of what the pitcher was good at. Nobody had an organization wide system with a Director of Pitching
And you’ll notice that all of those guys (Palmer, S. Fernandez, and Zito at least, I don’t remember enough about Tall Chris Young) were famous over the top curveball guys. High fastballs and a big curve have been a classic pairing for a long time for the obvious reasons.
Bailey Ober has a mediocre 4 seamer that he throws at the top of the zone.
Yeah a straight fastball in the top half of the zone was the no-no pitch for decades. Guys with a great curveball (Zito for example) would throw high fastballs to tie guys up. But it was almost always up and out of the zone – you weren’t trying to get a called strike out of it, you were trying to get a swing and a miss.
Umpires would rarely give you that call anyway. The zone in the 90s and 00s was shins to belly button and four extra inches on the outside corner. Not only were you risking an XBH on a high fastball, you probably weren’t getting a called strike regardless.
My beautiful sweet prince Kyle Bradish threw a beautiful curveball and then his elbow exploded into a million pieces
Truly well written!
The thing about pitching is that rare pitch types automatically perform better since batters are less accustomed to them, thus providing a short-term incentive for people to throw them more often again. These things are cyclical
Don’t forget that Adam Wainwright also retired after last season.
“If I could change one thing I’d skip right over slavery and abolish the slider.”-Preston Wilson(Black former ballplayer)
“I’m not touching that one.”-Jeff Bagwell(White former ballplayer)
This joking exchange happened a few years back on an Astros broadcast and it was hilarious because it was so unexpected. It was briefly like a Dave Chappelle skit
I think that baseball evolves cyclically. Pitches become fashionable everyone throws them, batters see so many of them that they become ineffective, then they go out of fashion when someone starts exposing batters to stuff they haven’t seem for ages. But, being from the Blyleven era, I have always thought curveball guys are such fun to watch.
Curveball conneseiurs, I present to you, the Legendary Zach Grienke eephus!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FArzehK7N8Y&pp=ygUTemFjayBncmVpbmtlIGVlcGh1cw%3D%3D
Whoever down-voted Grienke’s curveball montage deserves an old fashioned Nolan Ryan “bow tie”
Kershaw has one of the best uncle charlies, but it confuses me how it’s deceptive to a hitter. Because it looks to my eyes like he releases the ball on a much less downward plane than his other pitches, so it almost seems to leave his hand going up before the spin breaks it downward. I just seems like that should be easy for major league hitters and advance scouts to notice. But apparently not!
edited to add: I’m trying to say it has a hump in it. Which should not be optimal.
Well it’s still unexpected and he can get called strikes or pitches in the dirt with it. It breaks so much and is so slow that it’s hard to hit.
I would’ve thought Max Fried had a high curveball rate but he also started throwing more sliders in the last few years.
It’s because horizontal movement is more effective vs same-handed hitetrs than vertical movement. Why would I teach a 16 year old RHP a curveball when it is proven the slider will be a more effective weapon for him. No data in the article to say why it is happening, just data on usage rates. No one in pro ball cares how “pretty” the pitch is, they care about whiffs and outs.
A similar story is told in The Killer Angels, regarding the mutineers from the 2nd Maine who Col. Chamberlain convinces to serve with the 20th Maine. “There will be muskets available presently.”
On the one hand, Enemy at the Gates was published a year before The Killer Angels, but on the other hand, Gettysburg happened 79 years before Stalingrad, so I don’t know who gets credit for telling the story first.
James Paxton is 35?!
Very fun article. This doesn’t actually make a difference, since nobody throws one, but I think we have to include the slurve in both columns—it’s right there in the name!
Maybe the posterchild for the movement: Bowden Francis, who arrived in the big leagues with the curve as his standout pitch, but is now in the process of almost shelving it entirely in favor of, not a slider (thank god), but a splitter. In his no-hit bid tonight, he threw just six curveballs compared to 40 splitters and 11 sliders.