Gerrit Cole, Somehow Underrated

David Richard-USA TODAY Sports

I don’t like this title any more than you do. It just sounds so wrong. The guy with the largest contract signed by a pitcher in the history of the game is underrated? The New York Yankees ace isn’t being given his due? Preposterous! I might as well say no one watched the Super Bowl, or that we aren’t paying enough attention to weather balloons these days.

But uh… it’s true. I don’t have to like it and you don’t have to like it, but Cole is still one of the best pitchers in baseball, despite falling somewhat out of that conversation of late. He wasn’t even the most talked-about Yankee starter last year – that’d rightfully be Nestor Cortes. So consider this a Cole puff piece.

To begin, let’s consider our Depth Charts projections. These projections blend ZiPS and Steamer to produce rate statistic forecasts for every player. From there, Jason Martinez projects playing time, and those playing time projections cross with the rate statistics to produce overall projections. Cole sits in a tie for third place in projected WAR for 2023:

Top Pitching Projections, 2023
Pitcher IP ERA FIP WAR
Jacob deGrom 172 2.62 2.34 5.6
Corbin Burnes 196 3.08 2.90 5.2
Carlos Rodón 178 3.09 2.90 4.6
Aaron Nola 202 3.52 3.18 4.6
Gerrit Cole 199 3.15 3.02 4.6
Shohei Ohtani 171 3.08 3.06 4.3
Zack Wheeler 190 3.41 3.23 4.3
Max Scherzer 186 3.20 3.17 4.2
Justin Verlander 179 3.10 3.32 3.9
Shane Bieber 204 3.36 3.29 3.9
Sandy Alcantara 216 3.44 3.48 3.9

This shouldn’t be particularly surprising. He’s produced the ninth-most WAR among pitchers in the past two years, the ninth-most in the past three years, the third-most in the past four years, the third-most in the past five years… the point is, he’s consistently been one of the best in the game. While 2022 represented a down year, his overall body of work remains excellent.

What’s more, his 2022 swoon seems exaggerated to me. It represented his worst ERA since his Pittsburgh days, but luckily we have multiple statistics to describe pitching performance. I like to take a mosaic approach, looking at as many as I can and taking a rough average, and if you think of it that way, Cole’s 2022 looks pretty dang good.

Let’s start with his ability to generate strikes, the coin of the realm when it comes to pitching. He’ll likely never match his ludicrous 2019 peak, but he’s still squarely within his career norms across the board, and that’s leaving out the five blah years he spent in Pittsburgh:

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Gerrit Cole, Strike Generation
Year Chase% Contact% SwStr% CSW%
2018 32.1% 71.5% 14.1% 31.8%
2019 35.0% 66.3% 16.8% 33.9%
2020 35.2% 69.1% 15.3% 31.5%
2021 35.4% 70.3% 14.5% 32.1%
2022 34.9% 70.2% 14.3% 31.9%

Those are just numbers, but here’s some context. He was 10th in baseball in swinging strike rate among pitchers who threw 100 or more innings and fifth in CSW%, the percentage of pitches that result in either a called or swinging strike. He had the eighth-lowest contact rate in baseball to boot. Sure, these are all correlated statistics, but the point remains: pitching is about missing bats, and Cole missed bats at an elite level last year.

Limiting walks? He did that too. In his career, he’s walked 6.4% of opposing batters, an excellent number for a pitcher who works deep counts and hunts strikeouts. In 2022, he walked 6.3% of opposing batters. From 2018 through 2021, that number stood at 6.5%. In other words, Cole isn’t giving up mountains of free baserunners in pursuit of his strikeouts. He’s annually near the top of the K-BB% leaderboard, and wouldn’t you know it, he was fourth there in 2022, behind only Spencer Strider, Shohei Ohtani, and Max Scherzer.

All kinds of ERA estimators agree. His SIERA was a sterling 2.77. His xFIP, which regresses home run rate, was an identical 2.77. His xERA was in the 71st percentile, a low but still excellent mark given his contact management issues last year. His expected ERA per Cameron Grove’s Pitching Bot app was a sterling 3.06, a top-10 mark in the game. All of these have different inputs, but they tell a similar story: Cole racks up piles of strikeouts without surrendering many baserunners.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can hear you Yankees fans grumbling already. We know Cole is good when no one puts the ball in play. His issue in 2022 was what happened when hitters made contact, not how frequently they did so. So let’s investigate those batted balls and see if we can learn anything from them.

To be more specific, I looked at home runs. Cole allowed 33 of them, the most in baseball. Some of that is because he pitched 200 innings (Oh yeah! He’s durable too!), but it’s an unavoidable fact that 33 is a lot of homers.

Eleven of those home runs came on pitches right down the middle. Is Cole just winging the ball down the pipe and hoping batters miss? That could definitely explain the lack of walks coupled with the surfeit of homers. There’s just one problem with this narrative: data. In 2022, 473 pitchers threw at least 500 pitches. Of those, 329 ventured over the middle of the plate more frequently than Cole. He finished in a virtual tie with Zac Gallen (career-low 9.1% HR/FB mark) and Jeffrey Springs (9.6%). Those two rates barely combine to Cole’s 16.8% mark.

Fine then – maybe he’s waiting until he’s down in the count to lob in meatballs, pairing bad location with hitters looking to drive a fastball. That would explain Cole’s problems – except, again, he didn’t do that. Of the 285 pitchers who threw at least 250 pitches while down in the count, 169 threw over the heart of the plate more frequently than he did. Here, he’s in line with Rich Hill, who allowed a 10.1% HR/FB rate despite throwing a fastball nearly 10 mph slower. Or how about former cross-town neighbor Taijuan Walker, who allowed a 9.6% HR/FB mark? The point is, Cole’s home run luck doesn’t seem to be caused by some inability to locate.

Is some pitch type getting victimized in particular? Not exactly. Roughly half of the home runs he allowed came on his fastball, which is right in line with the league as a whole. Now, he did allow a shocking number of homers on four-seamers thrown 96 mph or faster; when opponents put them into play, they turned into homers 50% more frequently than the league as a whole. It wasn’t even just a case of fat pitches, either. Sometimes you have to tip your cap:

As an aside, why have an eight-foot-tall center fielder if they can’t jump and catch that one? Aaron Judge, I demand more home run robberies from you.

Some pitchers are homer-prone. But no one is this homer-prone. Pitcher home run per fly ball rates mean-revert heavily; I investigated this exact question in 2020 and found that hitters exert far more control than pitchers over what happens after the ball is in play. You probably know that – lots of FanGraphs articles drive home that observation in one form or another – but I’d be remiss not to mention it here again.

Consider it this way – our projection systems still think that Cole will be homer-prone in 2023. They think he’ll allow 25 homers, a top-20 mark in baseball. That’s almost as many as he allowed in 2019 – in Houston, in the homer-happiest year in baseball history. That’s a strikingly large projection, only one homer short of what we expect from Germán Márquez, who famously pitches in Denver. And again, those projections think he’ll be among the best five pitchers in the game.

At the risk of beating a dead horse, Cole is a great pitcher. He’s great because he’s hard to hit, and because he doesn’t walk many batters anyway. He can do that because he has great stuff. You know that, I know that, I’m not breaking any ground here – but now we can say that with a bit more precision. For instance, Cole’s fastball was the nastiest in baseball in 2022 per Pitching Bot’s stuff grade (on a 20-80 scale), and top-five after incorporating command:

Best Fastballs, 2022
Pitcher FF Overall FF Stuff FF Command
Kevin Gausman 68 52 71
Carlos Rodón 66 63 59
Aaron Nola 66 51 68
Gerrit Cole 65 69 55
Shane McClanahan 65 65 57
Robbie Ray 64 60 59
Julio Urías 64 61 61
Logan Gilbert 61 53 57
Pablo López 61 42 62
Zac Gallen 60 60 57

To give you a sense of what these metrics are, they use pitch-level data such as speed, movement, spin rate, and release point to construct an algorithmic stuff grade, and location data by count to come up with a location grade. For the most part, they’re telling us what we already know about who has the best pitches. Cole has the nastiest fastball. Ohtani has the best slider (the best stuff and elite command — does that sound like something you might be interested in?). Framber Valdez’s curve almost breaks the scale, checking in at a 78 out of 80. Oh yeah – Ohtani has the best sinker, at least by stuff grade. That guy is pretty good.

But hey, maybe you’re not into 20-80 scales, or simply want another robot’s opinion. How about Eno Sarris and Max Bay’s Stuff+? Cole finished tied with Ohtani for the best Stuff+ in baseball last year, and tied with Kevin Gausman for best overall Pitching+, which combines stuff and location. Per that metric, he had the best fastball and slider in the game last year, and a comfortably plus curveball as well.

How many different models do you need to tell you that Gerrit Cole is great? The answer isn’t particularly relevant, because however many you’re hoping for, you’ll probably be able to find them. People who quantify baseball for a living look at what Cole did last year and see one of the best pitchers in the game.

As Michael Ajeto noted, Cole’s fastball wasn’t as deceptive as his previous high standards, but he seemed to take a step in the right direction at the end of last year, and it scored highly on all these measures anyway. Per yet another wonderful pitching resource, Alex Chamberlain’s pitch similarity tool, the fastballs Cole’s most resembled in 2022 were 2021 Zack Wheeler and 2019 Jacob deGrom. That’s pretty good company!

Perhaps I’m rambling at this point. Perhaps Cole isn’t actually underrated; maybe I’m reading too much into sports talk radio and the exasperated mood of Yankees fans. Maybe I just like pitch modeling. If nothing else, Cole is an object lesson. Great pitchers? They’re great in a ton of different ways. The more analysis you do, the more ways you can quantify pitching, but the key point is clear. Cole is excellent for a whole truckload of reasons. Focusing on just one or two of them risks missing what’s right in front of our eyes.





Ben is a writer at FanGraphs. He can be found on Bluesky @benclemens.

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steveo
3 years ago

Also Gerrit Cole gave up a bunch of runs after errors that weren’t scored errors for whatever reason. I distinctly remember one instance where IKF booted an easy grounder and it was ruled a hit. A batter or two later he gives up a three run homer. I think it was against KC. Some guy on Twitter posted all of them and it was something like 8 earned runs that shouldn’t have been earned and like .5 ERA difference.

Thank you for writing this, this is a hill I’ve been on for a while. He’s elite.

Mac QuinnMember since 2022
3 years ago
Reply to  steveo

I think that was against the Angels because it was Ohtani who hit the home run. It easily could’ve happened twice though.

mgwalker
3 years ago
Reply to  steveo

I watched him closely during the Pirate years, and Cole was the type to lose his composure when a teammate made an error behind him (Pedro Alvarez). Anecdotal, but also the reason your scenario sounds about right.

SyndergaardengnomesMember since 2020
3 years ago

He is elite.

He’s also not the best pitcher in New York City, by any metric.

If you want to just look at last year, Verlander was miles better. Prefer a longer time frame, 2 years, 3, 4? Scherzer is better.

Cole very well might be better than those two in 2023. Without a crystal ball, nobody can know for certain.

But nothing about the past year, or several years, would entitle Cole to being called the best pitcher in NYC. Sorry.

Tel
3 years ago

The first chart in the article (projected 2023 WAR) shows him comfortably ahead of both – 4.6 WAR for Cole to 4.2 for Scherzer and 3.9 for Verlander. And the article finishes with his Stuff+ and Pitching+ last year being tied for the best in baseball (and not with Scherzer or Verlander)
While I’d agree his results are mildly disappointing since he came to New York, that comes from the expectation that goes with a record setting contract. He has been excellent, but not best pitcher ever great.

SyndergaardengnomesMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Tel

I don’t think you call someone “the best” at something, if you’re projecting them to be “the best” in the future, despite the fact that they’ve clearly not been “the best” at any point in the past.

But that’s just me, and it’s semantics I suppose. Even with the ages, there’s nothing in the past two years of Cole’s performance that would motivate me to put money on him being the best pitcher in NY in 2023 either. Not in a world where he needs to beat out Verlander and Scherzer, but Carlos Rodon as well. Plus there’s always the chance Cortes takes another step forward, or Senga is suddenly amazing from day one.

IOW, if it’s Cole vs. the field, I’ll take the field for certain.

Tel
3 years ago

I actually don’t disagree that they’ve been better over the past few years – since Cole has been in New York for sure.
I was mainly replying to the “he’s not the best pitcher in New York, by any metric” statement by pointing out a couple from the article.
We could probably also argue about whether “is the best pitcher in New York” is based on history or the upcoming season. But I suppose Ben is the one who gets to say what he meant on that.

dl80Member since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  Tel

He wasn’t better than DeGrom last year.

Tel
3 years ago
Reply to  dl80

1 – Degrom is no longer in New York so he doesn’t count for best pitcher in New York any more.
2 – Last year, certainly Cole’s worst in some time, he still had 3.3 WAR vs. 2.2 for Degrom. Health is worth a lot.
I wonder if the Stuff+ and Pitching+ stats noted in the article include Degrom since he only had 64 innings.

CC AFCMember since 2016
3 years ago

Ok, I’m one of the exasperated Yankees fans who was yelling “just pull him already!” at the TV when he was giving up 4 homers to the twins. They did not pull him and he gave up a fifth.

But I will bet on cole over those two in 2023 every day and twice on Sunday. Verlander’s 2022 numbers might be the most obvious regression candidate in all of baseball. He was not miles better in 2022. He was miles luckier. He’s not posting a .240 babip and 6.2% hr/fb rate again. And Scherzer would actually have to throw innings to jump cole. That’s not even saying anything about the likelihood of age related decline with those two. Cole is the best pitcher in NY right now.

carterMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

I get that with age both their number scream regression. But if you look at what they did on a per inning basis both Scherzer and Verlander were nearly indistinguishable from their peak war per ip. Like a rounding error. Cole was not. A lot of this is variance.

However Cole had 0.0165 war per IP last year. His peak was 0.353.
Scherzer was at 0.030, his best was 0.34.
Verlander was at 0.034 last year, his best was 0.035.

So clearly those guys are not throwing as many innings as Cole likely this year. Both of their strikeouts trended down a bit too, not good signs. They both got a little lucky, and Cole got a bit unlucky, but on a per inning basis I do not think either is worse than Cole, and both likely better.

SyndergaardengnomesMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Using baseball reference’s WAR, this is the entire number of seasons Cole has been the best out of the Scherzer/Verlander/Cole trio in his career: Zero.

So to take Cole over Scherzer and Verlander “twice on Sunday”, means you’re betting on him doing something he’s literally never done in his 10 year ML career.

I’m not saying it can’t happen, of course it can. Especially when you take ages into account. But to act as if it’s some foregone conclusion, when he’s literally never done it before? That’s a sucker’s bet.

CC AFCMember since 2016
3 years ago

Absolutely did not say it was a foregone conclusion. Certainly could happen that they’re better than cole just given general pitcher volatility. But yeah, I’ll take the 32 year old over the 39 and 38 year olds who were monumentally lucky last year and got hurt plus lost velocity, respectively.

Last edited 3 years ago by CC AFC
SyndergaardengnomesMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Saying “you’ll take something every day, and twice on Sunday”, is at least saying you’re supremely confident, if not a forgone conclusion.

FWIW, Scherzer hasn’t lost velocity. Per baseball savant, 94 MPH on his four seamer last year. Same as it was 5 years before. It’s been between 94.0-94.9 for 5 years running. Velocity has never been his game. In fact, his four seamer was faster in 2022 compared to where it was 10 years prior, when he sat in the mid 93’s.

As for Verlander, you can regress an awful lot from a 1.75 ERA and still be elite. He walks nobody, has a high spin rate, and has allowed low BABIP’s for most of his career. Yes, he allowed a .240 BABIP last year. He also allowed a .219 in 2019.

idliaminMember since 2024
3 years ago

I’m a Mets fan. Verlander’s gaudy surface stats mask some potential trouble under the surface. You know whose fastball had a better swinging strike rate, hard contact rate, and xStats than Verlander’s in 2022? José Quintana’s. I’m not dumb enough to claim Quintana has a better fastball, but it helps illustrate that Verlander simply didn’t get whiffs or limit hard contact with his fastball (or his slider) like he did pre-surgery. JV didn’t really lose velo, but he definitely lost some ride. I also remember the Mets having a star pitcher named Harvey Batman or something who threw a ton of innings (including a World Series Game 5) post-TJS. Things didn’t go so well after that. In all seriousness, I don’t believe Verlander is going to completely crash and burn like that, but if you watch his outings from last year, you’ll see a lot more pitches in the middle of the zone, far fewer swings and misses, and quite a few hard-hit balls finding gloves. This year, he won’t have the benefit of overshifts, and although the Mets’ middle infield defense is excellent, their corner infield defense is pretty bad. (FWIW, Sports Info Solutions also ID’d JV as benefiting more from his defense than any pitcher in MLB last year. ) As for Scherzer, his average velo has only declined slightly (though he no longer can reach back for 98mph), but the SwStr% on his four-seamer dropped from its usual 15-16% range down to 12% (still good, but a half-skosh lower than Quintana’s), and it was below-average at limiting hard contact. Max’s slider and cutter are still elite, but his changeup was downright bad, and he seems to have entered the late-stage Kershaw phase of his career, in which he’ll still be really good, but can’t give you more than 20-25 starts a year. And both Scherzer and Verlander had HR/FB rates that were way below their career norms (Quintana too, but I digress). Citi Field will help, but I’d still expect some regression.

carterMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  idliamin

I realize all pitchers decline, but Verlander has been good for so long I would have very little to no concern about him still being an elite pitcher. And just because Scherzer didn’t reach back for 98 doesn’t mean he cannot reach back for 98. I think there is a difference there.

I also do no think Scherzer had any serious injuries last year, more nagging aches and pains that there was no reason for him to pitch through.

sbf21
3 years ago

I admit to being a bit surprised by this column after seeing that line about being the best pitcher in NYC. I was expecting an article comparing him to Scherzer and Verlander.

This was interesting, however. I’m a fan and thought Boone was insane for pulling him in the playoffs to bring in Trivino.

Joseph RuthMember since 2022
3 years ago

I don’t think those home runs are from mistakes. Watched him during his PIttsburgh days and one thing he would do here is get impatient and during long ABs just kind of seem to think ‘the hell with this (nonsense) – see if you can get THIS’. If his movement isn’t as good, that tactic might not work out as much as it used to.

The thing to do is see if these HRs are late in the count and centered. Shouldn’t be too hard. All that stuff is in mlb.com or statcast and it’s not 1000 home runs, just 30 or so.

Mac QuinnMember since 2022
3 years ago
Reply to  Joseph Ruth

So I was curious about this, because I agree that that’s what it felt like subjectively and I wasn’t sure if it was backed up by numbers. Initially I looked and thought no, because of the 33 HR he gave up in 2022 regular season:

  • Ahead: 6
  • Behind: 12
  • Even: 15

So that doesn’t seem like any signal there. There’s nothing in particular about a 1-1 count that feels homer-prone to me. But of course, he doesn’t throw the same number of pitches behind in the count as he does in even counts. He throws an 0-0 pitch every AB. So looking closer, the number of HR vs. the number of total pitches he threw by count:

  • Ahead: 6 out of 1,029 (0.58%)
  • Behind: 12 out of 793 (1.51%)
  • Even: 15 out of 1,452 (1.03%)

So there’s something there. Most pitches he threw ahead in the count didn’t land in the seats. But that should be compared to the rest of the league too, so here’s HRs per total pitches by count for the whole league:

  • Ahead: 1,216 out of 209,394 (0.58%)
  • Behind: 1,943 out of 187,214 (1.04%)
  • Even: 2,056 out of 311,929 (0.66%)

And then here’s Cole’s, let’s call it, league-adjusted HR+ (I know + stats are supposed to be park-adjusted but I’ve already spent too much time on this):

  • Ahead: HR+ of 100
  • Behind: HR+ of 146
  • Even: HR+ of 157*

*He’s actually slightly better than league-average in 0-0 counts. 4 HR out of 796 pitches (0.50%) for Cole vs 948 HR out of 182,070 (0.52%) for the league. So his problems there are all in 1-1 and 2-2 counts.

I’m really hesitant to draw any strong conclusions from all this, because it’s still not a huge sample for one pitcher in one season, and if I start breaking it down by zone and count then the data is way too thin. But I think there’s something there broadly. On the first pitch or when he’s ahead in the count, he’s no worse than the rest of the league in giving up HRs. Behind in the count or maybe too aggressive in an even count, he runs into problems.

Joseph RuthMember since 2022
3 years ago
Reply to  Mac Quinn

In Pirate-land we got to watch him for a number of years and, especially toward the end, his outings were very similar. He’s start out the game doing well then slowly lose his breaking stuff and then at some point with a high pitch count in the middle innings just start challenging hitters. His FB was so good, he would get away with it but he’d be done by the 5th inning after throwing a billion pitches that would be continuously fouled off. Then at the end of some of those longer ABs, he’s just wind up the spin and throw it into the middle of the zone as opposed for going for a corner. Mostly it would work but sometimes not.

The Astros really helped him how (however you want to characterize the ‘help’) and he seemed to grow up there. Very passionate competitor who really really really doesn’t ‘t like to lose and has a lot of talent.

Good-o for him. One of the many Pirates who got away.

Mac QuinnMember since 2022
3 years ago
Reply to  Joseph Ruth

That’s funny, I think in his bad starts with the Yankees, the trend has been him getting ambushed in the first inning, then just wearing it and hopefully you at least get 6 innings keeping the damage to that.

And I’m sure you’re tired of hearing this, but I do wish Bob Nutting felt any shame for your sake. That’s a historic franchise with iconic players and a great stadium, and it’s run like a mafia bust-out.

LMOTFOTEMember since 2017
3 years ago
Reply to  Joseph Ruth

There does seem to be something with Cole himself, or maybe how batters approach him (“Not going to string walks & singles vs this guy, might as well swing for the fences”)? . He’s been running pretty high HR% on fly balls since his final year in Pitt. Last year was not some statistical fluke for him.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago

I’ve written this comment before but it does seem like we’re entering a new phase with respect to “league aces”, where the old guard is…well, old…and the new guard we’re still not sure about yet. Guys like Verlander, Scherzer, and deGrom have age or injury-related questions, and guys like Alcantara, Strider, Cease, and Rodon we’re not sure about yet for various reasons. Sale is not even really in the conversation anymore after the injuries. Nola, Ohtani, and Burnes are probably the closest to what we might call a “league ace”, but Ohtani’s workload has been weird and Burnes wasn’t nearly as dominant last year.

Cole and Bieber fall under the category of “it just looks like they’re not as dominant as before”, and to some extent the numbers bear that out. Bieber’s K rate and velocity has crashed, and while Cole’s K rate is fine it’s hard to look at both his ERA and FIP–which are basically the same–and not come to the conclusion that he’s a good but not great pitcher these days.

It’s hard to know how much of this is a changing of the guard and how much of this is nostalgia for a very, very specific 3-year period where the “old guard” seemed like a lock to churn out 5+ win seasons, Cole and Bieber had established themselves as elite pitchers, etc. I do know that if Cole cranks out another 5-win season, all of this is going to be forgotten, but it seems like we’re in “wait and see” mode on him.

FrancoeursteinMember since 2025
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Max Fried is an ace!!!!

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I do think that we need to appreciate how bonkers the Big Four and DeGrom were, haha.

I did some research on it a few years ago, and that “Ace” cutoff in the Integration Era has generally been at 4.5 WAR/200 IP.

From 2015-19, SEVEN guys were averaging roughly 5.5 RA9-WAR/200, and another 3 were over 4.8 WAR/200.

johansantana17Member since 2026
3 years ago

Which guys?

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  johansantana17

MS, JV, Kershaw, JG, ZG, Kluber, Sale.

dl80Member since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Manoah?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  dl80

I don’t know man, Manoah is going to be a good pitcher but his peripherals do not scream “ace”, especially after just one good year. I think he could get there, but he could also not.

carterMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Bieber sure feels like a guy where the wheels are going to fall off, especially with a balanced schedule. But I thought that last year, as well….sooo

johansantana17Member since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Kershaw belongs in the same category as Verlander, Scherzer, and deGrom. Put some respec on his name.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  johansantana17

I mean, Kershaw–as far as I’m concerned–was the best pitcher of the 2010s. But I don’t think anyone has counted on him being a 5-win, league ace type of pitcher in a couple of seasons now. The stage we are at with Jacob deGrom now is roughly where we were with Kershaw in 2019 or 2020.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Crazily, DeGrom and Kershaw are the same age…and have the same RA9WAR over the last three seasons.

johansantana17Member since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Do you watch Cole pitch regularly? I do and he is extremely impressive. I would bet the over on this guy any day

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
3 years ago

I wasn’t aware that anyone didn’t view Cole as an ace. He’d probably get a similar contract now, with fewer years

steveo
3 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Honestly I think he’d get more AAV and similar if not an extra year or two or more favorable opt out terms. I realize he’s getting 36M/yr, but solid relievers are getting 16M/yr. The market has changed since he signed his deal. Xander Bogaerts signed a deal through age 41, etc. I think he’s getting at least that.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  steveo

Doesn’t sound underrated

steveo
3 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

He’s underrated by media and fans. I think front offices are smart enough to evaluate him properly.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  steveo

In fairness, teams pay 1-1.5 win relievers like 2-3 win starters, and they pay 2-3 win relievers like 4-5 win starters.

steveo
3 years ago

Eh. Edwin Diaz got 3-4M per year more than Jameson Taillon and Taijuan Walker with one extra year and he had a historic year. He’s getting basically 4th starter money, 2 win starter money.

4-5 win starters are getting closer to 150M.

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Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  steveo

Oh, I was specifically thinking of Taillon and Walker and Eovaldi, who are making Kenley Jansen money.

Diaz’s got roughly the same deal as Luis Castillo, who’s averaged 4.7 WAR/200 over the last 4 years.

steveo
3 years ago

Can’t compare the two. Luis Castillo’s wasn’t a free agent deal. If Luis Castillo were a FA, he’d have at least gotten the Rodon deal.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  steveo

Over the last two seasons, Rodon has 3.5 more WAR than Castillo…in 30 fewer innings.

In that timeframe, Castillo has put up 3.2 and 3.6 more WAR than Taillon and Walker, respectively.

So…no. No, Castillo would not have gotten a deal remotely in the same range as Rodon’s, even if he were a free agent.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  steveo

Fun tidbit!

If you split the difference between Taillon and Rodon’s deals, you get 5/$107.5M.

With Walker, it’s 5/$110M.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  steveo

Ach, input the wrong AAV for Rodon’s deal – it’s 5/$110M and 5/$112.5M, respectively.

So he did take a bit of a discount!

Pepper Martin
3 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

MLB Network did a Twitter post last week of the top 10 starters in baseball and Cole wasn’t on it and it generated a bunch of discourse.

BurnesVerlanderRodonScherzerAlcantaraOhtaniFriedWheelerdeGromUrias

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NATS FanMember since 2018
3 years ago
Reply to  Pepper Martin

Cole is waay better than Urias! The rest are debatable though.

tung_twista
3 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

>Cole is waay better than Urias! 

Huh?

Cole vs. Urias

2020 fwar 1.4 vs 1.3 / ra9-war 2.1 vs. 1.6
2021 fwar 5.2 vs 5.0 / ra9-war 4.8 vs. 5.2
2022 fwar 3.3 vs 3.2 / ra9-war 3.6 vs. 6.0

Cole is 32 while Urias is 26 and
Cole’s best two seasons were his age 27-28 season.

Travis LMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  tung_twista

Agreed Cole isn’t waay better, but he seems pretty clearly to be better. 2023 fWAR projections for Cole are in the 4.1-4.9W range. Urias is 2.8-4.0. Projections aren’t the end-all, be-all, but they take into account a whole lot more information than our brains.

tung_twista
3 years ago
Reply to  Travis L

Projections can be helpful, but when Steamer expects a 26 year old with career ERA 2.82/FIP 3.44 to post ERA 4.05/FIP 4.02, (the only season where Urias did worse was six years ago as a 20 year old in just 23 innings) I feel comfortable saying it reflects poorly on Steamer much more than it does on Urias.

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Pepper Martin

I remember seeing that and going “Urías? Really?” He is fine and all, but…

I was a little surprised at Cole’s absence but I was mostly shocked at Nola not being on there. Dude is out there getting outs in front of that terrible Philly defense and just gets no respect.

SenorGato
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I remember once getting into an argument in which a pretty passionate baseball fan referred to CC Sabathia as “just” a “workhorse” but definitely not an ace. I imagine that mentality is common, stems from the efficiency obsession, and Nola falls into this category. A “better” pitcher may not throw as many innings because they’ve got more Ks or whatever. Throwing tons of innings and staying healthy fell out of favor since some of those bulk innings could be more efficient and definitely cheaper

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  SenorGato

The thing is, Nola is pretty good on a rate basis too! He has averaged 10.4 Ks per 9 innings since 2018 while posting the most innings over that time. But he’s found another gear since 2020: Since that time to the present, Nola’s SIERA has landed him 3rd and his FIP- has landed in him 4th while pitching the third most innings over that timeframe.

But he plays in a homer-friendly stadium in front of a terrible defense and somehow he lost more games than he won and it’s not his fault at all; the Phillies have been super committed to doing things like playing Rhys Hoskins and Alec Bohm and Kyle Schwarber in the field for years now. It reached its peak with the games where they managed to play 4 DHs in the field at the same time, but Didi Gregorius playing shortstop and Rhys Hoskins playing left field and Nick Williams playing anywhere all happened during Nola’s time out there.

SenorGato
3 years ago

Guy’s a freak among freaks, never seent anything like him. A command first guy who lives in the upper 90s with a full slate of offspeeds, has all his health too

Unfortunately today’s version of baseball and sports fanhood is about managing the payroll for maximum efficiency and Future so like…no one gives a poop. Our cue for celebration and appreciation will come from the MLB or some Future generation using hindsight, right now the focus is da rent is high! Alls I, the most up to date sports fan, see is the Yankees having two players *over 30* with top of the sport deals. Ineffizient! Ineffizient!

mariodegenzgz
3 years ago

Cole was throwing a lot of low fastballs last season for whatever reason, and it goes without saying that his heater doesn’t play well there. He better reverse that trend this season. If he does, expect a sub 3 ERA season.

I think Cole’s best and most overlooked attribute is his stamina and durability. He’s one of only three pitchers (Germán Márquez and Aaron Nola are the other two) to qualify for the ERA title in every single one of the last six seasons. He also has the stamina and arm talent to throw hardest when he requires it, and if you happen to have your bullpen wrecked entering one of his starts, he’ll throw 115+ pitches without breaking a sweat and save the pen for you. That has immense value right now. Cole is in the very short list of pitchers for whom my personal gameplan if I were his manager in a crucial game would be to tell him: “you have 130 pitches. Go get em”.

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
3 years ago

18 of his 33 HR allowed last year were solo shots. I can live with that.

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
3 years ago

I think this narrative blew up based on that game against the Twins in late June where he gave up 5 HR (while far from ideal, I will point out the Yankees won that game).

You look at who he gave up dingers to, and it’s a pretty solid list of names…and Jeter Downs is also there.

JustinPBGMember since 2018
3 years ago

And then we won that game because twins

baubo
3 years ago

I personally think whether or not a person considers Cole to be “best in NY” is splitting hairs. Argument can be made either way. But I do find it funny that I see Rodon ahead of him in all these charts when he is also a Yankee this upcoming season in such a discussion. Cole isn’t even projected to be the best pitcher in his own clubhouse!

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  baubo

Certainly if you’re looking at results over the last two seasons you’d go with Rodon. The projection systems are rightfully very skeptical of a pitcher who was a 1-2 win guy, loses almost two full years to injury, and then comes back and is one of the top 3 starters in major league baseball for two consecutive years.

baubo
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

On the contrary, id argue that the projections are extremely high on Rodon and that he is being projected like an Ace who should be making AAV in the Cole to Scherzer range.

But that people are downgrading him due to his long term medical history.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  baubo

He’s been pitching at a 7 WAR/200 pace since coming back.

baubo
3 years ago

Not even prime Pedro would get projected for 7WAR/200. The fact that projection thinking of Rodon as a top 5 pitcher is already essentially ignoring his past and way higher than teams. Because the Yankees made the highest bid for him this offseason by paying him money more along the lines of a good #2.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  baubo

Entering 2016, Kershaw was projected for 7.8 WAR in 215 innings!

Man, that guy was something else.

Anyway, the going rate for a “Good #2” is 20-24 a year, these days.

The people getting 32+ were all signed as “Super-Aces,” (for lack of a better term).

Rodon’s (correctly) getting paid like a guy with super-ace talent, discounted for a short track record and durability concerns.

What I’ll say is that I’ll be surprised if Rodon cracks 150 innings and not 5.0 WAR.

baubo
3 years ago

Rodon’s AAV is $27mil. Cole was $36mil. Scherzer and Verlander $45mil. deGrom $37 despite having arguably worst medical history or at least similar medical concerns.

No matter how you look at it Rodon isn’t thought of by teams as anywhere near an Ace. This in a year in which salary has overall inflated compared to past seasons.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  baubo

…you just listed four guys with longer track records, haha!

Each of them had at least 23 WAR in the five years prior to their contracts…with DeGrom somehow putting up the most, despite pitching the fewest innings!

Rodon has put up 18 WAR in his career to date, and yet he came out a lot closer to Sale (28.6 WAR in the previous 5 years) than to guys like Stroman and Wheeler.

Which is why it’s interesting!

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  baubo

I would like to see a ZiPS projection on Pedro after one of his monster seasons now. Like, after 1999.

Tel
3 years ago

I’d agree that he has become underrated – he’s not even in the top 10 starting pitchers from mlb.com.
I think he’ll be considered a disappointment unless he wins World Series MVP

krusty
3 years ago

This is an awesome deep dive but I think there’s a major, elephant-sized sticky spider in the room as to why Cole doesn’t get the plaudits his stats over the last several years might otherwise lead to: he hasn’t been the same guy since he stopped using the sticky stuff.

Since the Spider Tack scandal exploded on June 3, 2021, Cole has put up:
52 GS, 311.1 IP, with a 3.73 ERA, 3.53 FIP, and and a 2.96 xFIP for a 93 ERA- and a 86 FIP-. His HR/9 since then is 1.5, while his BABIP is .284.

From 6/3/2021 through end of season: 110.2 IP, 4.15 ERA, 3.66 FIP, 3.31 xFIP, 1.55 HR/9, .309 BABIP.

In 2022: 200.2 IP of a 3.50 ERA, 3.31 FIP, 2.77 xFIP. 1.48 HR/9.

Essentially, Gerrit Cole been more or less this guy since Spider Tack enforcement began, homeritis and bad run sequencing and all. Some of it is, I’m sure, psychological (as anyone who has watched his many meltdowns can’t help but notice) but I think some of it also comes from the somewhat reduced spin rates of his post-sticky stuff life.

Consequently, I’m not sure how apposite Cole’s pre-sticky stuff ban stats are given how it appears that Cole’s change in performance is less a 2022 thing and more a post-sticky stuff thing. Obviously, he’s still got best-in-class stuff and he’s an absolute workhorse, and it would be awesome if he sorts himself out, but this I think this data is crucial to understanding Cole’s outlook.

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steveo
3 years ago
Reply to  krusty

He’s been the same guy post tack ban. He was elite in 2021 but pitched through a hamstring injury his last 8 starts or so with disastrous results that tanked his numbers. Take those out and he’s been elite.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
3 years ago
Reply to  krusty

Yup. He’s still great but there is a very obvious sticky reason that the media/fan discourse is “underrating” him relative to past performance.

Left of Centerfield
3 years ago
Reply to  krusty

To put a little more context around this, since the sticky stuff ban went into place, there are 83 pitchers who have thrown at least 200 innings. Here’s where Cole ranks on various measures since the ban:

ERA: 20th
FIP: 25th
xFIP: 4th
WAR: 19th (tied)

xFIP still sees him as elite. The other measures place him a notch below that.

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Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago

Of course…that is a 1.5 season sample size, during which he appeared to have inordinately bad HR luck.

This season will be very interesting!

Joe Joe
3 years ago

But is it that inordinately bad…
2019-stick checks HR/FB 16.1%
Sticky check to present 16.1%

(I was expecting this to be somewhat close, not that as I thought most of Cole’s problems were getting hit harder when he was in tge zone)

Ben glosses over the fact that while Cole’s K%-BB% is still 2nd, it dropped from 31.9% to 25.7% over the time period listed above.

Cole has seen a huge drop in K’s, a big increase in barrels (despite already giving up hard contact a lot), and more walks since the sticky stuff checks happened.

Don’t get me wrong that a 25.7% K%-BB% isn’t great, it just isn’t as dominant as he was by a long shot and it opens up more opportunities to show that when he gives up contact, he gives up great contact.

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Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Joe Joe

The league-wide HR/FB in 2019/2020 was ~15%, haha!

It’s been ~12% since sticky checks started.

If Cole regresses to his 19/20 “HR/FB+” going forward, he’ll be in the 1.2 HR/19 range, even with his diminished K%.

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krusty
3 years ago

Thank you for this! It aligns just about perfectly with how I’d describe Cole by “feel” since then: he’s very, very good, but he’s not quite elite.

That said, hopefully he rights the ship and gets back to dominating. He’s certainly more than capable of getting back to it.

explenture
3 years ago

Poor underrated Garret Cole, no no I don’t think so.

SenorGato
3 years ago
Reply to  explenture

Right, bro? The guy’s playing a child’s game! The contract! We paid him!

Joe Joe
3 years ago

He was the best pitcher in the game in 2019. Now he looks like fringe top 10 to me. The baseball for most pitchers caused a drop in home run rate last year. I’m not convinced the drop in spin on his pitches isn’t part of the reason his home run rate jumped up while everyone else’s dropped.

I’d guess Yankee fans are under-rating him, but this article reads like Cole is better than he looks to me. Cole’s still great, but looks to be drop from what he was.

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ackbar7Member since 2020
3 years ago

I feel like the fact that the Yankees appear to have been playing with a more homer friendly ball than the rest of the league (at least for home games) is relevant to this discussion.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  ackbar7

I suppose, but his HR/9 was 40% higher on the road than at home last year. In 2021, it was a whole lot closer (1.11 vs 1.26), although he had a similar percentage-wise difference in 2020.

Of course, this kind of makes sense, since a lot of players play worse on the road than at home. So let’s look at this a different way. With a minimum of 100 innings pitched as a starter at home between 2020 and 2022, Cole’s HR/9 at home is 47th out of 135, which is better than average (since it’s ordered from most to least homers). He’s 30th out of 135 for the same stat at home–so, worse, but not that much worse.

Fast-forward to 2022, which excludes the (relatively even) 2021. Out of 129 starters who had at least 50 innings as starters in 2022, Cole is 16th in HR/9 for home runs. That’s bad! Pretty much everyone near him on that list had somewhere between a mediocre and bad year–much worse than Cole. At home, Cole was 43rd out of 129–pretty similar to what he’s done in the past.

All of this is particularly striking because the current iteration of NYY’s home stadium is pretty homer friendly overall, and the rest of the AL East is not particularly homer friendly now that the Orioles moved the walls out. A lot of players play better at home, but for whatever reason Cole seems particularly vulnerable to long balls on the road. If there’s one piece of good news, it seems to be that he wasn’t like that in 2021, so maybe this was just a one year blip.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago

I don’t think Cole is underrated by anyone serious about baseball. Who knows or cares what the NY talking heads have to say about anything?

I guess you could say that when he signed with the Yankees he was in a tier by himself as the clear best SP in baseball, and now he’s only in the top 5. Is that a disappointment?

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Mike NMN
3 years ago

It’s not particularly relevant whether Cole is the best in New York much less in baseball. The only question is what he does when on the field, and that’s pretty darn good. Any team would like to have him (putting aside the question of salary, of course). If he stays healthy, he’s going to put up very strong numbers for seasons to come. The problem with Cole (and others) is that they get paid so much money that we expect them to be supermen.

Roman AjzenMember since 2020
3 years ago

This is not reflective of his skill, but his WPA last year was merely 0.49 and he was way in the red on Clutch. Those stats are probably more linked to the talk radio angst than his CSW%. There are no obvious drivers of this other than bad luck, but those moments stick out and color his overall performance

GFE
3 years ago

I would’ve liked to have checked Cole’s numbers from his debut with Houston in 2018 through June 20, 2021, the last day before the official crackdown on foreign substances, but, alas, that span exceeds the three-year limit on the Custom Date Range. So, I checked from April 1, 2019 through June 20, 2021.

During that time span, Cole ranked 1st in SIERA, K%, K-BB%, LOB% and K/9; 2nd in AVG, WHIP, WAR, ERA, ERA- and xFIP; 3rd in FIP and FIP-; in the 23rd tier in HR/9; and 26th in HR/FB.

Since June 21, 2021, he ranks 1st in K/9 and K%; 2nd in K/BB%; 3rd in xFIP and SIERA; 11th in WHIP; in the 11th tier in FIP-; in the 12th tier in FIP; in the 12th tier in AVG; in the 13th tier in WAR; 15th in LOB%; in the 22nd tier in ERA; in the 24th tier in ERA-; in the 33rd tier in HR/9; and 35th in HR/FB.

In the case of both time spans, the pool is limited to qualified starters.

mattMember since 2023
3 years ago

Rodon is better imo