Good Scouting Was Behind the Hand/Mejia Trade

The Indians traded blocked top prospect Francisco Mejia to the Padres for relievers Brad Hand and Adam Cimber today. It’s worth noting that the Dodgers, Indians, and Padres have all swung important deals within the past 24 hours and all have one thing in common: each has created depth by turning low-risk investments into real trade assets, via multiple avenues.

The Dodgers filled out the Machado deal with four prospects who weren’t touted until the last year or so. The Padres got Brad Hand on a waiver claim, while Cimber was completely off the radar until this year. The Indians, for their part, could afford to trade Mejia with Yan Gomes and Roberto Perez representing superior options behind the plate. These aren’t the only instances of these clubs turning nothing into something, but a couple instances ended up driving these big deals.

The Orioles have announced they will create better infrastructure to do this sort of thing more often going forward. There’s also been buzz in scouting circles today that at least one of the clubs that attempted to land Machado believes their package ultimately fell short because of substandard scouting and/or development.

Moving on to the lone prospect in the Padres/Indians trade, Mejia isn’t as slam-dunk despite the consistently high rankings he earns in industry lists. Following a slow start, he was highest-ranked prospect to be downgraded in our midseason list, but he has hit .378/.416/.573 since the start of June. While he has recovered performance-wise, the distinguishing feature for him amongst other highly rated hitting prospects is below-average pitch selection. We point out that specific skill because it’s often the one that keeps a hitter from reaching his offensive potential and also often leads to a longer break-in period at the big-league level.

Mejia has an aggressive approach with a funky, high-effort swing from both sides of the plate that is sustainable due to elite hand-eye coordination and bat control. If you wanted to grade those abilities on the 20-80 scale, it would be something like 35 or 40 pitch selection and 65 or 70 bat control. For reference, if Mejia can improve that pitch selection to something close to a 50, his offensive upside could be something like Daniel Murphy, or a 110- to 135-wRC+ type hitter. As a close to average defender, that would make Mejia something like Gary Sanchez. That said, the pitch-recognition skill often doesn’t make huge shifts after a couple thousand pro at-bats, so that isn’t likely.

The double-edged sword of below-average pitch selection is both fewer walks and more frequent swings at less drivable pitches, which becomes more evident in statistics at higher levels. The upside of elite bat control is that there isn’t the swing-and-miss or strikeout rate you’d associate with free swingers. The downside of elite bat control is it often declines with athleticism, sometimes starting as early as the mid-20s, and often keeps hitters from making meaningful strides in pitch selection because the bat control is the security blanket that bails them out. That’s not to say this is what happens to every player of this type, but these are the sorts of outcomes not really on the table for hitters like Juan Soto, Vladimir Guerrero Jr., etc.

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The whole-body nature of Mejia’s swing leads to above-average raw power, but the approach and propensity to swing at stuff that is difficult to drive means that Mejia can be attacked in ways that limit the kind of damage he does. He’s going to crush mistakes, however, and make a lot of contact.

Defensively speaking, Mejia has the rare top-of-the-scale 80 arm but is a below-average receiver currently, despite his above-average athleticism for the position. A source with the Padres tells us they are going to use him at catcher, which was an open question since Cleveland had tried him at third base and the outfield corners. It’s possible that was the product of an effort to get him major-league at-bats for a club that already features two strong defensive catchers, but Mejia’s own defensive shortcomings were likely part of it, too.

Tying this all together, Mejia is one of the more physically talented hitting prospects in baseball, is performing well now in Triple-A, has considerable upside, and may very well also stay at a premium defensive position. It will likely come at some defensive cost, but that’s roughly what’s going on with Gary Sanchez and any club would take him.





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dvmin98
8 years ago

Nice write up. Makes me feel better about the trade. Turning someone’s previous garbage into a possible future star is awesome. Just wish he could play 3B

libreMember since 2016
8 years ago

>>> There’s also been buzz in scouting circles today that at least one of the clubs that attempted to land Machado believes their package ultimately fell short because of substandard scouting and/or development.

Does this mean that the offer fell through because of the Orioles’ substandard scouting and the other clubs’ development?

johansantana17Member since 2026
8 years ago

I’m guessing this was Arizona.

Dominikk85Member since 2020
8 years ago

Imo the Indians don’t think he is a catcher and thus value him lower. If they saw him as a catcher they wouldn’t have experimented at third and the of and let the crappy hitters Perez and gomes continue to play.

If not a catcher he has still some value but clearly less. I think the Indians would loved him at C but didn’t thought he could do it.

fjtorres
8 years ago
Reply to  Dominikk85

The problem is Gomes. Superior glove and game-calling the pitchers love.
And the bat has been mostly back at last.
Breaking in 22 year old catcher with a veteran staff worried them. Since the bat is ready they looked for ways to add the offense at a different position like they did with Santana. (Bryce Harper style. Not that he’s Harper.)
That way he could’ve phased in from OF/backup to eventual starter and get the ABs to finish developing.
SD will most likely be very happy to give him the ABs at catcher so he and their younger pitchers mature together.

Uncle SpikeMember since 2020
8 years ago

Have the Padres given any indication as to how soon he will be called up?

California Baseball
8 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Spike

According to AJ Cassavell on MLB.com:
“San Diego isn’t going to rush Mejia. In two separate Major League stints, he’s notched two hits in 15 at-bats, but he’s going to get further seasoning in the Minors before he dons a Padres uniform.

“We’ll take the next few weeks at the Triple-A level to evaluate, see where things are with him, see where things are with our big league club,” Preller said. “We’ll make a call from there. … He’s a guy that’s right there on the doorstep of the big leagues.”

OldSaltUSN
8 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Spike

The Padres currently have four catchers on the 40 man roster that they like a lot. Mejia may have a higher ceiling than at least three of them (maybe all of them), but he’s not MLB ready now, and there’s no reason for either Mejia’s future or the Padres current needs to force a roster decision now.

If the Padres trade one of the four, Ellis providing the most “half season rental” value for a competing team, this situation would change. However, the Padres still face a 40 man roster crunch at the end of this year, and again, there’s no reason to push Mejia to the majors only to force a DFA of another MLB player/prospect on the 40 man later.

I don’t see Mejia being promoted this year, not even in September. They’ll start him with a roster invitation to the big club next Spring, and go from there. Meanwhile, that gives the Padres months to assess Mejia, introduce him to Padres pitching and their philosophy, and help him focus on what he needs to accomplish to be successful on the Padres next year (e.g. defensive catching skills).

There’s no rush for the Padres, certainly not in 2018.

ThomServo
8 years ago
Reply to  OldSaltUSN

He projects for 0.4 WAR ROS (130 PAs), he’s ready now. There is no fact-based assessment that he is not ready. The Pads may delay his promotion, but if so, he is extremely likely to post MLB-eq stats at AAA above MLB replacement level.

jpftribe
8 years ago
Reply to  ThomServo

Having followed him the last couple of years and seeing him play in AA, AAA and MLB ST camp, there is no reason for SD to sit on this guy. He has elite bat skills, elite arm and good speed. He needs game management and framing development. Better to do that at the MLB level learning the leagues hitters than at AAA. He’s not going to hurt them behind the plate.

Tondo
8 years ago

Nah, he’s not performing well, as he’s gone back to struggling in July.

Mejia has a cartoonish profile 70 hit, 80 arm, but both are meaningless because of the substandard approach/discipline and lack of blocking/game calling. And that’s before all the character, work ethic, makeup concerns that keep circulating.

The kind of flashy someone like Preller and “industry scouts” fall for.

As an Indians fan, I wish Mejia the best of luck in the NL, the spacious home park should be a fit for his contact heavy profile, but I won’t lose sleep over losing him.

Also, has it ever happened that the buying contender not only gets more ML players than prospects given up but also more years of control too? Seems lopsided to me.

Meanwhile, Hand and Cimber are a dominant platoon reliever combo made for October baseball

TD
8 years ago
Reply to  Tondo

As a Padre fan, I’m of course the complete opposite. Hand was cut by the Marlins a few years ago and Cimber wasn’t even a prospect. I think people are over thinking it. You need 2 catchers anyways. Start Mejia 2-3 games a week behind the plate, 1-3 in the outfield and let him rest. Hedges starts in favorable matchups and comes in as a defensive replacement.

abelincoln
8 years ago
Reply to  TD

Andrew Miller was a failed starter, like Hand, then became one of the most dominant RP. This year, no, but he was also cut bait. Who was the last hitter the Padres developed? Tatis is not quite there yet. Manny Margot?

ThomServo
8 years ago
Reply to  Tondo

Mejia is a data favorite, not scout favorite. Thus this tepid article, which tends to track with eye test industry consensus. Data departments are higher on him. Mejia is a line-drive, avoid-k, high BABIP with good but not great power and good but not great tools (save the arm strength). The doubts are nearly all from eye tests, other than that his walk rate needs to tick up to average.

docgooden85Member since 2018
8 years ago
Reply to  ThomServo

Scouting the stats exclusively without what you seem to casually dismiss as the “eye test” is something zero MLB front offices do. But it does happen on the internet…

Zack
8 years ago

Mejia increasingly looked like a league average big league hitter that wasn’t ready to catch, frame, or call a game at MLB level. He was never going to play ahead of a healthy Gomes or Perez, so a trade had made sense for quite a while. Very happy with what the Indians received for him.

ThomServo
8 years ago
Reply to  Zack

Perez is quite poor. Mejia is easily better.

If you mean how he ‘looked,’ i.e the eye test, ok perhaps you didn’t think he looked a certain way. There is no question that empirically he projects better than Perez, and similarly (0.5 WAR per 150 PAs rest of season) as Gomes. Certain data sets suggest his framing is roughly average as well.

Very poor value trade.

jpftribe
8 years ago
Reply to  Zack

“ready to do it” depends on the standards you set. Can he do it to the level of proficiency of Gomes who is in his fifth year of managing the staff? Perez in his 4th year? Probably not. So do you take that chance anyway in the middle of a run at the pennant? Probably not.

Will he hurt the Padres behind the plate in a meaningless season? Probably not at all. In fact, his bat will probably offset any inexperience stumbles.

Also keep in mind, this guy is 22. You just don’t see 22 yo MLB catchers.

Tim JacksonMember since 2020
8 years ago

“A source with the Padres…” hhmmmmm

Dominikk85Member since 2020
8 years ago

Btw I don’t think the Indians love perez and gomes. They are great framers but perez cant hit at all and gomes hits like average for a catcher. They definitely would have liked meija there but they don’t think he can play there.

I mean it is not like gomes and Perez are great gomes had one great year but last years it was 0.6, -0.7, 1.8 and 1.3 war, Perez was even worse.

Does anyone think those guys should keep a top prospect down? If they thought meija was a 2.5 win catcher perez would be traded and gomes would back up meija…

Zack
8 years ago
Reply to  Dominikk85

The Indians don’t care much about catcher fWAR, and neither should you.

ThomServo
8 years ago
Reply to  Zack

That’s not true.

Framing metrics are not yet developed to a predictive level, nor do they test regularly with sufficient explanatory levels for most club purposes.

Clubs have internal metrics they rely on moreso than fangraphs, but it is not true that framing metrics have sufficiently high adj r-sq values for use at many clubs. In that sense, catcher fWAR tracks closely with what many clubs use.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  Dominikk85

I think they really like Gomes, and now that he’s back after being MIA last year, I think they’re right.

emh1969
8 years ago
Reply to  Dominikk85

Using Baseball Prospectus’ WARP (which includes framing), they were worth a combined 4.4 WARP last year and 1.7 so far this year. Those figures are probably in the top-10 for team catcher WARP.

Granted Perez has declined this year both with the bat and his framing but the Indians weren’t going to call Mejia up and use him as a backup catcher. Plus, Trevor Bauer has tapped Perez as his personal catcher (51 of his past 52 starts have come with Perez catching). Given the breakout year Bauer is having, the Indians aren’t about to get rid of his personal catcher.

coldbagel12Member since 2018
8 years ago
Reply to  Dominikk85

Perez being Bauer’s personal catcher is a good point. If you assign some of Bauer’s newfound value to Perez, that makes him less of a garbage pile and more of a backup catcher, which is all he needs to be.

abelincoln
8 years ago

Anecdotally speaking, my arm action was ruined post position change. Catcher, pitcher, shortstop, and outfield all require different arm actions to fit their various molds. If he has a 70 arm at catcher, how can we be sure that translates to outfield?

LenFuegoMember since 2025
8 years ago
Reply to  abelincoln

Are there subtle differences throwing at different positions? Yeah, sure, I guess, e.g., in the outfield you get to take a step or two and throw with momentum and have to sometimes make 250+ feet throws, and behind the plate you have to throw while emerging from a crouch. But ultimately, the ability to throw hard translates almost completely into throwing hard at any other position.

abelincoln
8 years ago
Reply to  LenFuego

Definitely. I think Chuck Knoblauch is still practicing in LF somewhere. How would you rate Vlad Sr. at SS? Completely different arm actions, release points, and carry depending on the goal. Name a plus arm catcher that floats in the OF and their POs.

LHPSU
8 years ago
Reply to  abelincoln

Bryce Harper.

abelincoln
8 years ago
Reply to  LHPSU

Immediately after posting I recalled Harper, and thought, yup, I could be wrong on this one. I then remembered Myers and Conteras. I don’t believe their arms translated as well.

docgooden85Member since 2018
8 years ago
Reply to  abelincoln

You’re right about the throwing mechanics being different but I think most big leaguers can handle the variation because they’re extremely good at playing baseball.
For accuracy and distance, outfield throws need to be gripped like 4-seamers and thrown with full extension straight overhand (remember Steve Avery?) — otherwise the ball will run all over the place. The lower body is involved a lot too.
Infielders need to quickly set their feet and have a quick release (sometimes any grip will do in a pinch) so you see a lot of 2-seam movement and 3/4 or shortened arm action. Jose Reyes just sticks it behind his ear and flips it, and even the guys who throw LASERs like Simmons & Dunston have abbreviated, quick releases. Which makes them a little bit like catchers, but catchers are even further on the spectrum of grip-it-and-rip-it and strive for efficiency/speed with no wasted motion. Note: I got to watch Salvy Perez up close catching Yordano Ventura (RIP) in Spring Training a few years back…he can make throws from his knees that would make some catchers jealous from their feet. (And pitching is a dark magical art that no one truly understands.)

ThomServo
8 years ago
Reply to  abelincoln

It’s unfortunate that a switch messed with your arm action, I agree it’s certainly different enough to cause some promising athletes to derail due to injury, sympathies if that’s the case.

But arm strength metrics correlate extremely well with each other across positions in the aggregate, above 0.80. For the majority of ball players, who avoid bad luck with injury, arm strength translates.

RoyalsFan#14321
8 years ago

Mejia’s since-start-of-June numbers feel sorta BABIP inflated, don’t they?

madmanjay
8 years ago

“As a close to average defender………..”
Which position is he “CLOSE TO AN AVERAGE” defender @?

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
8 years ago

The Indians have to be dancing after this trade. Small market teams that find themselves in the thick of it usually only have a short window and there was no way that they could hope to compete with the three powerhouses in the AL with the unexpected dumpster fire that their bullpen has been. Allen has been shaky and Miller hasn’t been Miller even when he has been able to get on the mound, and the rest have been, to be polite, less than stellar. Hand has proven to be very good and Cimber has outperformed his minor league profile by a wide margin. The Padres were holding out for a big return for Hand and there has to be some doubt if they got it. Mejia keeps jumping around on every prospect list out there. Everything from raves about his arm and bat to doubts if he can fulfill the expectations of a couple of years ago.

johansantana17Member since 2026
8 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

I find it very odd that San Diego was supposedly holding out for a massive return on Hand but ended up trading away more years of team control than they got back. It would make some sense if the prospect was more of a high-floor/high-ceiling guy than Mejia, like a Guerrero Jr. level prospect, but that’s not what Mejia is.

buckb-2Member since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  johansantana17

Mejia has been ranked high on all the midseason prospect lists I’ve seen, including #5 on Keith Laws list just this morning. Potential impact player who is almost ready for a full time job in the majors, and at a position where a guy with his kind of bat is hard to find.

ThomServo
8 years ago
Reply to  johansantana17

Hand for Vlad Jr would make sense?

pedeysRSox
8 years ago

Although, Mejia could improve his pitch selection to 40+ to 45 and that could be useful at catcher

tnt9357Member since 2020
8 years ago

Loved the section on pitch selection. Wondering a couple of things related to it:

– Does Fernando Tatis, Jr. have a similar issue? Could he Brandon Wood himself out of the league?
– With all the advances in player development, have any teams shown the ability to train their players in this area? Could Judge be an example of this? Trevor Story cut his strikeout rate down by about 7% this season (though that seems driven by Z-contact%; my guess is we’d want to look at O-Swing%)

ThomServo
8 years ago

This article is just another dumbed-down, regressive fangraphs article.

There is no empiricism. There is no actual evidence in this article that good scouting had anything to do with these deals. It’s just pro-scout advocacy, no different than typical ESPN and Fox content.

The article claims- contrary to when fangraphs used to have smarter content- that the Indians could afford to trade Francisco Meijia for Brad Hand. In reality they could not, and it was a poor deal. Hand is projected for a 3.30 FIP going forward. He had two great years, but is not projected to have anymore. His current price level is an overpay, due to the 2.16 ERA last year, and the Padres were smart enough to jump on it. But the new dumber fangraphs never critiques trading future for now anymore, so it views the Indians as having done well. Just the same as ESPN and Fox never critique trades that aim to win now.

The article claims that Cleveland could afford to trade Mejia because it has “superior options” in “Yan Gomes and Roberto Perez.” They’ve combined for 0.5 WAR this season. Superior option Perez is at -0.7. Some sources have Gomes as framing well this year, but the numbers are too noisy to have high predictive value.

The eye test grades are unserious, a comprehensive review of these two particular graders shows that the assessments are fairly meaningless. They’ve missed nearly all recent power outbreaks, and simply pass along the industry consensus- which tracks extremely conservative and tool oriented. There is no serious reason to rate mejia as’35’ for pitch selection, it’s eye test witch-doctory, in the age where such analysis is still popular for broad dumbed-down appeal, but is largely being run out of the industry.

None of the anecdotal observations are particularly on point- Mejia is not a player who gets a disproportionate amount of his value from ‘crushing mistakes.’ Eye testers are really lost at sea trying to assess catcher defensive value, and again are off the mark on Mejia who rates average defensively empirically. These assessments are about as unserious as all the ‘Chatwood breakout’ articles we saw this offseason, or about Sean Rodriguez’s power breakout the year before, etc.- numerous unachored, uncontextualized, eye-test + micro-trend analysis, none of it predictive. Any serious review of recent fangraphs writing shows that insight levels have dropped to the industry standard fluff- and the eye-test, ‘industry consensus’ scouting is truly the lowest common denominator, done purely to dumb down the content for broader audiences.

In reality, Mejia’s pitch selection tests above average for the major league level now. He projects better than an average regular right now, and his pitch selection metrics are a strength not a weakness. Mejia has been young for nearly every level, and his age curve for a catcher develops even slower, making his eye discipline performance quite strong. His walk rate is a bit under average, but paired with comfortably above average power and contact rate. He is very likely to outperform Perez this year, and is also likely to perform similarly (0.5 WAR per 150 PAs) to Gomes rest-of-season. Far from ‘good scouting’ putting the Indians in a good position to make this move, it was poor assessment and valuation that led to this move.

The authors only downgraded Mejia midseason by tracking the regressives within the industry who overreacted to his slump.

This is basically Tim Kurkjian level content, but with a bit more self-advertising and regressive advocacy. These sort of takes are outdated, such that fangraphs is no longer offering non-Jeffs, non-Cistulli content that is even near the cutting edge of the industry. Instead, it’s anti-empirical hype for every trade and every FA, with one or two eye test tidbits or industry sources, same as Olney etc.

docgooden85Member since 2018
8 years ago
Reply to  ThomServo

Keep scouting those spreadsheets and you’ll end up with a team full of Wily Mo Penas. Your outlook reminds me of the overconfident late ‘90s. If you want to know about a player’s ability you need to watch the player AND check the stats. This is not controversial anymore — you’re fighting a battle long since lost.