Has Ozzie Guillen Officially Gone Mad?
Over the course of his reign as White Sox Manager, Ozzie Guillen has made headlines by saying outrageous things to the media. This week may have been no different, as Guillen told the media Paul Konerko was a future Hall of Fame candidate. Since joining the White Sox in 1999, Konerko has been a force in the middle of the lineup on the South Side. Even though Konerko has churned out some strong seasons over that period, it seems laughable (if not insane) that he would one day be considered for the Hall of Fame. With that said, do Guillen’s comments actually hold weight or is this another example of Ozzie making headlines with his mouth?
Before we take a look a Guillen’s comments, let’s take a look at how Konerko stacks up with his colleagues over his career. Since 1999, the first year Konerko received significant playing time, Konerko rates eleventh among first basemen in WAR, a number that seems somewhat surprising since Konerko is rarely mentioned with some of the players ranked ahead of him, but it hardly screams Hall of Famer. Over his career, Konerko has been worth only 26.7 WAR. Again, a far cry from Hall of Fame level. Just a quick glance at his stats reveals a good, but not exceptional, player. If that’s the case, why is Ozzie so convinced Konerko will make it into the Hall?
One of Guillen’s main arguments is that players aren’t going to reach the round numbers that Hall of Fame voters seem to require for induction. According to Guillen, “you’re not going to see the 3,000 hits, the 500 home runs and 300 wins.” Guillen is only 33% right here. Because the philosophy of pitching has changed so much over the past 50 years, we probably won’t see many 300 game winners (5 man rotations, pitch counts, etc.). Hitting, however, has remained unchanged over that period- meaning we should see similar milestones reached by the game’s most talented players. The notion that there’s less talent today seems like something a former player might say to imply that things were better in the old days. It’s a lazy argument.
Guillen’s second point is that Konerko has accumulated his stats without the use of steroids or PEDs. That’s great and all, but the stats Konerko has accumulated in his career just aren’t close to Hall-worthy. Konerko, already 35, has managed to club only 381 home runs over his career. An impressive total, but nowhere near the 500 benchmark created by the voters. In order for Konerko to reach 500 home runs (or even come close), he would need 3-4 more spectacular seasons. Even though Konerko is currently posting some of the best numbers of his career, it’s insane to think he will be anywhere near this good next season- let alone in 3-4 years.
What we have here appears to be the case of a manager sticking up for one of his players. Konerko has been an above average option at the most demanding offensive position for over a decade, and that’s certainly something that should be recognized. Few players are able to achieve that level of success for so long. Unless he produces like Barry Bonds over the next 3-4 seasons, Konerko has absolutely no shot at the Hall of Fame. His loyalty to the White Sox and demeanor might win him a vote or two (hell, someone thought John Kruk was worthy of the Hall), but that’s about it. While Guillen was likely just trying to be supportive of one of his best players, these comments just reinforce the belief that Guillen will say anything for attention.
Chris is a blogger for CBSSports.com. He has also contributed to Sports on Earth, the 2013 Hard Ball Times Baseball Annual, ESPN, FanGraphs and RotoGraphs. He tries to be funny on twitter @Chris_Cwik.
He’s not Hall-worthy bc he’ll come “nowhere near the 500 [HR] benchmark created by the voters”? Wow.
That wasn’t his only argument for why he isn’t a hall of famer, and it’s the baseball writers that do the voting so it is a valid thing to say.
Valid, even if it is completely WRONG?
Um, it’s NOT completely wrong?
It’s a valid OBSERVATION about how Hall voting ACTUALLY works, even if it’s not a great measure of value.
Look at what Konerko is supposed to do – he’s a power hitter. That’s really his main job and if he doesn’t sniff 500 HR’s, voters will never vote him in. Why the hell is this so surprising to people?
I agree with SKob. If Konerko was a speedy SS with little power but a high OBP then we could talk about his lack of total HRs. But fans associate him with power (decent that it is) and most Hall voters are going to see the sub 500 number and pass him over. Not saying its right or wrong, but thats the reality.
Considering that he’s a 1B whose main contribution to an offense is his power, it’s not a ridiculous argument.
McGriff very nearly got 500 HRs and is still not even close to induction. Go ahead and compare their careers:
http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs/293_242___ograph_%20_6_14_2011.png
The crime dog deserves a spot in the hall.
Actually, the Crime Dog should need a ticket to get into the Hall like the rest of us. HUGELY overrated in his heyday. Led the league in HRs twice and OPS once. One top 5 MVP finish, despite playing on several good teams. A consistent player for a long time, but 500 HRs from a fairly one-dimensional first baseman who racked 6 WAR twice… that doesn’t cut it anymore.
If you wanna put McGriff in, you’ll have to put in Olerud first, with 2 8 WAR seasons and 4 more 5 WAR seasons. Not that think that Olerud should be in, just to put things in perspective.
“What we have here appears to be the case of a manager sticking up for one of his players.”
You could have saved a lot of time by just writing that sentence and being done with it.
You could save even more time by not bothering to login and respond to the post. Even more by not bothering to even get on the internet; I mean, what’s out there? A whole buncha crap that you just have to read.
What a dumb reply this is. Matt didn’t say that nobody should ever write anything. He implied quite correctly that Guillen’s comments were unremarkable and didn’t really require elaborate scrutiny. No light has been shed here.
Of the many examples of Guillen’s stupidity, Konerko as a HOF candidate ranks towards the bottom. Do you really think he poured over a stat sheet to determine Konerko’s WAR before making these comments?
No, he probably didn’t pour over spreadsheets. That’s what the writers do here. Point is, Ozzie said that he’s a Hall of Famer like it was fact. Chris is proving that it isn’t fact. He looked into it, and came to the conclusion that he’s not HOF worthy as of right now.
You people need to relax…
It’s the writer that need to relax. No one, including Ozzie, is claiming that he’s HOF worthy right now. This is hardly a reason for asking if “Ozzie has officially gone mad”.
Also, an article of this sort should discuss Konerko’s candidacy in the context of a few more seasons at his current level of production – an assumption that Ozzie impliedly makes when offering his comments. A statement such as “Unless he produces like Barry Bonds over the next 3-4 seasons, Konerko has absolutely no shot at the Hall of Fame” is just plain lazy analysis.
The article title is a reflection on the perception that ‘right now’ the thought is laughable, but the title is a question meant to later provide some insight on the subject of how crazy is the thought in reality. If the article title was ‘Ozzie Guillen is Officially Mad’ that would be more troubling.
This site is stat analysis. Claiming a player is way better than his stats show is certainly going to cause an article like this. Why read this site is you don’t want stat analysis.
And what makes anybody think a 35 year old Konerko has 120 HR’s left in him… really? he
This article does a fantastic job confusing “Hall-worthy” with “Hall-likelihood” and acts as if they’re synonyms.
Konerko’s WAR is lower than someone like Ozzie would expect (if he understood the concept of WAR at all), I think, primarily for two reasons: Konerko’s had park-inflated numbers and his defense has always been overrated because he’s sure-handed but not much else. Konerko looks a lot better than he is.
Here’s the catch: Those guys usually do pretty well in HOF voting. If Konerko can continue to avoid any PED smoking guns and continue to perform like last year and this year (not completely unreasonable, though not likely either), he’ll finish out his current contract with 450+ home runs AND he’ll still be playing at a level that will earn him one last contract if he wants it.
If Don Mattingly (or Dave Parker, for that matter) can hang around on the ballot forever, I don’t see why Konerko won’t, especially if Konerko can perform at a high level for the next couple years and finishes with numbers that come close (but not quite) to Fred McGriff.
Is he a Hall of Famer? No. Is he a guy who gets 1 vote and drops off? Not based on what other guys do when they make the ballot. This is just a lazy attempt to call Ozzie Guillen crazy when it’s not at all crazy for the manager of a Hall of Very Good player to say what he said, even if it is wrong.
Understand that Don Mattingly, or “Donnie Baseball,” was a mythical figure during his time, and that he was a New York Yankee. Every baseball card collector of my generation either possessed or wanted to possess a Don Mattingly rookie card. Mattingly also had a two- or three-year run where he was insanely good. And, even with all of these irrational/emotional reasons to give Mattingly HOF support, he has still received very little HOF support.
Paul Konerko has none of these intangibles going for him. I do expect Konerko to receive very, very few votes and to be off the ballot very quickly. Konerko will receive close to zero consideration by HOF voters and he should receive close to zero consideration. Solid player but not even close to HOF material. Konerko will receive far, far less support than either Mattingly or another 1B mentioned, Fred McGriff.
I like the point about “Hall-worthy” and “Hall-likelihood”. That is an important distinction to make, though the overall point of the article remains true- minus the statement that he will only get one or two votes. Voters do not always vote rationally and objectively, but from a sabremetric standpoint, Ozzie was more than a lot off from the facts.
If Konerko puts up a few more good seasons, he’s Kent Hrbek: a guy with a very good, long career for one team who’s absolutely revered by the home team, but doesn’t belong in any hall of fame that doesn’t have that team’s name in front of it.
Don’t agree one bit. Not only with the take that Konerko has virtually no chance to make the Hall, but also with your conclusion that Guillen was just making wild claims for attention.
Konerko is one of the most underrated players in the game and few people realize just how good his numbers really are. While I do not think he will be a Hall of Famer, I’m not as convinced as you are that any suggestion that he is a candidate is simply pandering.
Also, that 500 HR benchmark is in your mind.
And in the mind of the voters.
You seriously think that Konerko has a shot at the Hall of Fame?
And you don’t believe that the 500 HR plateau has any significance to Hall of Fame voters when we’re talking about one dimensional power hitters?
Maybe if Ozzie and Hawk Harrelson were the only HOF voters, Konerko would have a chance.
Could this article have been any more negative toward Ozzie? “Just reinforces the belief that he will say anything for attention.” Really? You think that’s why he said that, for attention. Ozzie has said some stupid stuff in his tenure, but saying one of your damn good players is HOF worthy, even if he is a bit short of the arbitrary milestones, is not begging for attention. He’s just supporting his team captain. It’d be nice if this article was written from a slightly less bias perspective.
Where’s the bias? I swear, people just run to articles to be the first to comment on bias…
The following quotes are evidence of bias: “Has Ozzie Guillen officially gone mad?” and “these comments just reinforce the belief that Guillen will say anything for attention.”
Like I said before, stating that a Hall of Very Good player is a HOF player when he’s been your team captain for almost a decade is hardly madness. Worse players are in the Hall of Fame (NOT justification for Konerko getting in, just for the lack of insanity on Ozzie’s part to suggest the idea).
Plus, in 3-4 years, Konerko might go from a John Olerud “Nice career, but no” to people making “He’s borderline” cases.
The bias is pretty clear in this article even if you don’t think Konerko is a HOF candidate (and I don’t).
Exactly, see what JD said above. I’m not saying PK should be in the HOF, I’m just saying Ozzie is portrayed very negatively here.
I agree with Stone Pony and JD. It’s not like Ozzie said Brent Lillibridge is HOF-worthy. This was one of the stupider articles on Fangraphs, ever. After all, how much weight should this site be giving to comments from any manager?
When you see the headline you think that Guillen has said something truly outrageous. Turns out he was just exaggerating the accomplishments of one of his players. Come on, managers say stuff like that all the time. To write up an article dedicated to “debunking” the manager’s praise is silly in the same way it would be silly to write a long post explaining how in a certain episode of Gilligan’s Island the plot had a significant flaw. “According to reams of empirical research, large primates like gorillas do NOT in fact live on tropical islands.. That show is INSANE!”
Why did Ozzie have to throw the HOF into his comments? There is no reason you have to do this when you are talking about how good and how important your best hitter is. Using the term HOF is pandering to the media and your local fans.
Apparently there are a lot of Chicago fans commenting on this site, or maybe Konerko helped you win a fantasy title in recent years, but citing him as HOF worthy is a joke. You can assume he hits 30 HR’s for the next 4 years all you want, but it’s joke right now! What the hell are you people looking at?
How is it that entirely far feched? When he retires, it’s going to be a discussion. The smart money says he won’t get in, and I’d be very surprised if he did, but he’s going to be on the ballot, and probably get a couple votes. The “media” blows up what Ozzie says, he’s not just pandering for attention. Again, Ozzie has said some ridiculous things in the past, but this headline does not match the story.
The reporter brought up the HOF not Ozzie.
I hate to say it… but if he has another 3 seasons like the last two he’s had (which would be insane) Ozzie may not be so crazy. His last two seasons came completely out of the blue, and after Joey Bats’ reinvention… I don’t doubt anyone’s ability to find a new version of themselves.
.288/.365/.520
+127 wRC
480HR, 1550 RBI, 1250 R
Again, this isn’t the most likely scenario, but I don’t fault a manager for imagining the best outcomes and seeing the best in his players. But it makes Ozzie looks way less… Ozzie.
Well, considering McGriff was an all around better player and isn’t deemed a realistic candidate by voters, what chance does Konerko have if it takes another three unlikely seasons to still come up of short of McGriff. Crime Dog’s career line:
.303/.385/.532
+137 wRC
493HR, 1550RBI, 1349R
See below. It makes Ozzie not insane for saying it, not that he’s going to realistically have a shot at the Hall.
See Dwight Evans and Jim Rice for why these types of “if guy A didn’t get in, guy B won’t get in” comparisons don’t always work. I seriously doubt Paul Konerko will get more than a handful of HOF votes, but I’ve given up trying to predict these things.
And this still isn’t even close to being over the HoF threshold as we look at it, but the HRs puts his name in non-sabr water cooler discussions.
In Chicago, they just say “it’s Ozzie being Ozzie”
Konerko has been a great player for that franchise, and if Ozzie says he’s a HOF-er, it’s not because of stupidity. It’s just Ozzie being Ozzie.
Doesn’t an article like this belong in notgraphs?
Just go to the “All Blogs” tab – then you’ll see them all, and one misfiled article out of 25 won’t make your head explode.
I wonder who will be the first “clean” 500 HR player to not reach the hall. Dunn and Konerko are certainly pretty good candidates.
Thome?
If the voters think Thome is clean, he’s probably in on the first ballot. Great hitter + a guy everybody loves.
If evidence ever turned up that Thome had juiced, I would lose faith in everyone in baseball. It would be the most depressing day ever. That guy is awesome, class act.
Thome is a lock. He’s going to have 600HR and everyone loves him.
“Guillen’s second point is that Konerko has accumulated his stats without the use of steroids or PEDs.”
We’re sure of this because Guillen says so? I could care less if Konerko used steroids/PEDs, but just because his manager says he hasn’t doesn’t make it so.
Well said. Which is why I think the HOF voters being the “steroid police” is just a laughable exercise in futility. Like they haev any inkling who used.
“Gee, he never failed a test! Must be clean!”
“Well, I heard whispers…”
“Hey, look at his body!”
Hall of Fame players of this type, almost by definition, have strong finishes to their careers. Is Konerko a reasonable inductee if he retired now? Of course not. But his path to becoming one is clear – be good and healthy from ages 35-40. It does happen, although rarely, that a player manages this, and Konerko has been his best, by a significant margin, the last 900 PAs or so. Let’s say he is a true 5 win player right now (extremely generous, but he has been this level for a year and a half now). ~Regular aging curve – 5 this year, 4, 3.5, 3, 2 – another 17.5 WAR, and almost certainly more than 500HRs…throw in decent BAs, 1600 RBI, and he becomes a fringy guy who could be one of the random players who get a push for the hall.
Now, if Konerko does remain very good in his late 30s, I submit there is no chance there aren’t whispers about his career trajectory and PEDs. He had a peak at 28-30, another one even better at 34-36 is the stuff rumour campaigns are made of.
None of this is to say that even with a strong finish, he would be a good choice for the hall, but since we’re chekcing if Guillen is crazy, I’d have to say yes (but not because of this).
He is one of 3 remaining Captains in baseball, won 3 division titles, 1 Ring and an ALCS MVP. Also- HR might start getting some MVP talk if the Sox get back in it. He’s top 5 AL AVG, HRS, and RBI right now. Does an MVP make the argument a little stronger or a whole lot stronger? Only one in his way his probably Cabrera or Bautista, but if WS get the ALC crown, it goes to the captain right?
No, it goes to Bautista. No matter what. Unless he tears his ACL, and, even then, he would probably be able to play over it because he’s so good.
in a shocking turn of events, fangraphs readers stand up for ozzie guillen in the face of his many detractors
This is why Konerko won’t make it:
http://www.fangraphs.com/graphsw.aspx?playerid2=242&playerid3=547&playerid4=&playerid5=
Konerko’s best season was barely as good as Bagwell’s worst full-time season
Except Bagwell is getting punished because his body morphed into something barely recognizable over the course of his career, right or wrong. No such suspicions currently exist for Konerko.
The voters will not compare Konerko to a player they have deemed to be a likely PED user. This article confuses HOF-worthy and HOF-likelihood by acting as if they’re congruent. Apparently those leaving comments are doing the same thing.
The more popular this site gets the more annoying the comments get.
To be fair, an article like this panders to that expanding popularity and spawns this brand of commenting…
It’s amazing how quickly commenters on this site lose their shit when someone disagrees with them. It’s also amazing how often they (i.e. commenters) miss the author’s humor. I mean, I understand that there’s no “sarcasm” or “humor” font, but it’s still not hard to tell that Mr. Cwik doesn’t actually think Ozzie is batshit out-of-his-mind.
HOLD ON EVERYBODY, SOMEONE IS WRONG ON THE INTERNET. HERE COMES THE PAIN TRAIN!
HOLD ON EVERYBODY, MLB MANAGER MAKES FAVORABLE COMMENT ABOUT HIS OWN PLAYER. BREAK OUT THE STAT SHEETS AND PROVE HIM WRONG TO SHOW THAT HE “WILL SAY ANYTHING FOR ATTENTION”!
Ozzie may be insane and Konerko has had a very good career with the White Sox- HOF though? I doubt it.
Konerko has averaged 35 home runs a year from 2004-2010, not including 2008 where he was hurt. ZiPS projects him to stay in that range this year (34).
If he finishes with 34 this year, he will have 399.
Even taking into account the fact that he is getting older, it would be unrealistic not to expect 500 home runs with 4 more seasons (barring injury, of course). He doesn’t need 3-4 more spectacular seasons; he needs 4 more average/below average seasons of 25 home runs a year (or 3 if he stays on his normal level, which is probably unlikely).
Whether 500 home runs is enough for the Hall of Fame is certainly an open question. But it is hardly out of the question for Konerko to reach that benchmark, and it wouldn’t take a spectacular or stunning turn of events.
Exactly. I was going to post something very similar, but wanted to make sure it wasn’t a repeat of what someone else posted.
And even if he doesn’t get there in the next four years (Seasons 36-39), if he’s healthy enough to keep playing, he’ll be very close, and someone will give him a chance to make a run at 500. So let’s say after this season, he has maybe six seasons left (not necessarily as a full-time player). If he hits his ZiPS projections this year, and then hits 30, 25, 20, 10, 10, 5, that’s 500 HRs. Not impossible to imagine. Not even all that far-fetched.
“it would be unrealistic not to expect 500 home runs with 4 more seasons”
I dunno, I think late-career, slow and steady declines (like 35, 32, 28, 23 HR) happen less often than the off-the-cliff collapses (think 32, 18, 8, 3 HR trend), particularly in this generally post-PED environment. It’s not at all unusual to go from pretty decent numbers to out of baseball in 2-3 short years now.
Yeah, that was a bit exaggerrated on my part. But you get the point.
Career .282/.357/.501 for a poor defensive, base-running challenged first baseman with 26.7 WAR at age 35. HoF sounds crazy to me.
Lou Brock got in (mainly) on the strength of one milestone counting number. I’m sure hes not the only one. And even though the voters are becoming more informed, there’s still a lot of idiocy and laziness in there, so 500 HR wouldn’t make it completely crazy.
In a non-UZR world I don’t think Konerko is known for having poor defense. Also, many will make arguements against using UZR for 1st basemen.
Even if you give him the benefit of the doubt (Fans Scouting Report has him at 1 and 0 in 2009 and 2010 respectively), and say that he was an average fielder in his time, does that make up enough of the difference? He was still a career .282/.357/.501 1B with no real peak and a few real good season scattered in amongst a 13 year (full time) career. Don’t misunderstand me, I think he is a good player, a really good player at times, but I can’t see how you can make an argument (even with good defense) that he should be in the hall of fame.
I wish Ozzie would say something about Billy Pierce, a Sox snub that has a much stronger Hall of Fame case that needs to be in.
Ah, where would this country be without sensationalist headlines? “Does Al Gore eat kittens for breakfast? Tune in to FoxNews at 11:30 and find out!”
Or the always insightful MSNBC headline “Is the GOP deliberately sabotaging the economy?”
Ozzie Guillen is a man who had all 12 members of his pitching staff simultaneously have career years, and gave Scott Posednik all the credit for being the catalyst for this team when they won the WS. He’s simply an idiot.
I saw ol’ Scotty play in a AAA game recently. He was a shell of his former (one great year) MLB career. Not pertinent to this article but still interesting to note.
Its been 4 hours and this article has 66 responses, I expected most of them to be along the lines of: what do you mean finally?
Let’s use Bill James’ HOF Monitor to gauge the likelihood of Konerko’s Hall consideration. Konerko came into 2010 with 56 points (around 100 points is likely to make the Hall).
The real career numbers Konerko has to reach to have a shot are 2,500 hits (15 points) and 500 HR (20 points). Both seem feasible if Konerko stays healthy. Based on Konerko’s career averages, he would hit both milestones by his age 38 season. Even with regression, Konerko should be able to reach these marks considering the past 1.5 years have been the best of his career offensively.
In regards to this season, Konerko is on pace for a .300 AVG (2.5 points), 100 RBIs (3 points), and 30 HR (2 points). Konerko is currently 6th in the AL for batting RAR, so if he happened to make the All-Star team, he’d earn another 3 points (he has a shot at 40 HR too which would bump him up 2 points). Even without that, Konerko is set to earn 7.5 points for 2011 based on current paces. This would put him at 64 points at the end of 2011. If he could get the 2,500 hit and 500 HR career feats in the future, that’s 99 total points.
Being conservative and just estimating Konerko averages 3 HOF points per each future season (he’s averaged over 4 so far per each full season), he could end his career around the 110 HOF Monitor point level. Which would suggest significant HOF votes aren’t out of the question. For those with the McGriff comparison, he ended his career with exactly 100 HOF Monitor points.
Systems that try to predict what the HOF voters are likely to do, regarding Paul Konerko. If he retired today, he would be unlikely to get in.
Gray Ink
Batting – 69 (360), Average HOFer ? 144
Hall of Fame Monitor
Batting – 56 (351), Likely HOFer ? 100
Hall of Fame Standards
Batting – 31 (281), Average HOFer ? 50
Throwing my hat in the ring as a White Sox fan:
Going by WAR, Konerko shouldn’t make it to the Hall (I don’t think he’s a Hall of Famer either, as much as I love the guy), but it’s really not that crazy to say that he has a decent shot. If he declines gracefully, 500 home runs is not at all a stretch as he most likely will be at 400 at the end of this season. 3 to 4 okay to good seasons (which would take him through his age 38 season) would probably be enough to get him to 500. His WAR total by then would probably only be around 35 to 45 which doesn’t cut it, but his counting stats (homers, RBIs, runs scored, hits) and good reputation might generate more support from the voters than one would expect.
As a White Sox fan, I’d say I love Konerko but he doesn’t belong in the HoF. Career just wasn’t quite at that great level and he never reached the big milestones that voters love. Maybe if he gets 500 he can make it, I don’t likely see that happening; his counting stats might make a borderline case but career WAR-wise he’ll be well short. Konerko’s the type of guy I’d like to see teams, in this case the White Sox of course, set up their own HoF for guys who had good careers for the team but never made the cut for the real hall.
Before I clicked on it, I thought this article was going to be about Pierre blocking Viciedo’s ascent to the big club. Ozzie loves him some speed at the top of the lineup, no matter what the cost.
How many Hall of Famers have hit a Grand Slam in the late innings of a World Series game? That’s gotta be worth a few HoF votes.
Hey, don’t knock it – one shining moment keeps the Jack Morris candidacy alive for years and years…
>see article title “Has Ozzie Guillen Officially Gone Mad?”
>its just Ozzie thinking Konerko could get in the HOF after being asked by reporters
I still liked the article, but man was I actually something demonstrative and totally “out there” said by Guillen . . .
I think a few people have posted good support to suggest that Konerko has at least an outside shot at 500 HR. Anywhere from 450 – 500 HR will get you HOF support from at least the locals. With that said it’s not crazy (or insane) for him to be a candidate even if he doesn’t get in.
Ozzie has said A LOT of stupid things as a manager but this really isn’t one of them. It may not come true but it’s not ridiculous either. Honesely, of all the things that Ozzie Guillen has said, this ranks about 342 on his all-time crazy scale. He probably has 3 things crazier than this on his twitter page at this very moment.
I don’t see why Konerko would stay on the ballot longer than Baines did..