How Are the Mets and Giants Supposed To Live Without Carlos Correa?

Carlos Correa is a Minnesota Twin. There’s a contract, there was a press conference, he joked about his son growing up Minnesota Nice — after almost a month of bizarre uncertainty, Correa’s future is locked down. Which probably means you’ll start trusting this in your gut somewhere around mid-August.
Spare a thought for the Mets and Giants, both of which were thought to have signed Correa last month, before those deals fell through. Neither club deserves that much sympathy, because both reneged on $300 million-plus contract offers on the basis of troubling medical reports. The Twins seem convinced that Correa’s fibulas are not made of marzipan, after all. And don’t be a coastal snob, they have good doctors in Minnesota — the Mayo Clinic, and so on.
But while it was the Mets and Giants who left Correa at the altar, and not the other way around, both teams were ostensibly making plans to build a lineup around one of the best infielders in baseball. And while there was never any official announcement, the public was in a frenzy. Unlicensed swag was sold, tickets purchased, blogs posted on the premise that Correa would be a Met and/or a Giant.
Now, both clubs are bereft of their erstwhile top free agent signing. And both teams are left to contemplate Bolton’s First Interrogative: How am I supposed to live without you?
For the Mets, that’s a relatively simple proposition. When I was under the impression (mistaken, it turns out) that Correa would be a Met, I explored that club’s options on the infield and came away positively gobsmacked by New York’s infield depth. Correa would’ve been an upgrade at third base, as he would for most teams, but what made that signing so audacious (again, while it lasted) was how little the Mets actually needed him.
Eduardo Escobar isn’t as flashy a name as Correa, but dating back to about 2014 or so, he’s been an extremely reliable average-to-above-average infielder. Escobar was godawful in 2016, and again in the shortened ’20 season. But apart from those two outliers, you know what you’re going to get: not a lot of walks or stolen bases, but decent strikeout numbers and 50-60 extra-base hits per year, which usually comes out to a wRC+ a couple ticks above average. He’s been even more consistent if you start counting using his first big power season, 2017:
| AVG | OBP | SLG | BB% | K% | HR | XBH | wRC+ | WAR | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| High* | .272 | .334 | .511 | 8.2 | 18.5 | 35 | 74 | 117 | 3.5 |
| Average | .255 | .312 | .464 | 7.5 | 20.3 | 22 | 52 | 104 | 2.1 |
| Low* | .240 | .295 | .406 | 6.6 | 23.8 | 20 | 42 | 97 | 1.7 |
Now, Escobar is 34 years old. He posted troubling OBP and batting average numbers in 2022, and struck out at a career-high rate. ZiPS has him at about the same level for 2023, maybe a little worse. The Mets ought to be able to live with that, considering the rest of their infield is Francisco Lindor, Jeff McNeil, and Pete Alonso. But if not, there are alternatives. Luis Guillorme doesn’t have much power to speak of, but he does have a career .354 OBP and 101 wRC+.
The best outcome for the Mets probably involves Brett Baty, their 2019 first-round pick, jumping up and grabbing the third base job full-time. Baty got a couple weeks’ worth of major league playing time in 2022 before a torn ligament in his thumb sidelined him from the end of August on, and he’ll be back to compete for at-bats this spring.
Escobar’s defensive numbers took a dive in 2022 — perhaps the result of aging, perhaps a one-year fluke — and neither Guillorme nor Baty profiles as Brooks Robinson. But apart from that, they have three players who can fill different situational niches. Escobar hits for power, Guillorme gets on base. Guillorme and Baty are lefties, Escobar is a switch hitter who hits lefties much better than righties. I don’t know exactly how the Mets are going to dole out playing time at the hot corner in 2023, but whatever happens they’ll probably be fine.
The Giants, on the other hand, have few suitable options. Certainly, not having Correa allows them to pretend they never had to have the awkward conversation with Brandon Crawford about moving off shortstop. Crawford has, at times, been one of the best defensive shortstops in baseball, and in 2020 and ’21 he also rebuked the traditional aging curve to put up two of the best offensive seasons of his career. The latter, a .298/.373/.522 campaign with a 138 wRC+, 6.3 WAR, 24 homers, and 11 steals (all career highs), got him legitimate attention in the MVP race. But Crawford is about to turn 36. Last season he slid back down to .231/.308/.344 (which still plays, given his defense) and he’s in the last year of his contract. And unlike the Mets, the Giants don’t have an incumbent starter to lean on; Evan Longoria is now a Diamondback.
In the days after the Correa deal fell apart, the Giants spent the money allocated to that deal elsewhere. Having already inked Mitch Haniger to a contract, they brought in Michael Conforto; both are signed to multi-year pacts that will cost a combined $32.5 million against the tax in 2023. Signing not one but two corner outfielders is an odd choice for a team that already had Mike Yastrzemski and Austin Slater in hybrid center field-corner outfield roles and LaMonte Wade Jr. under team control. Not only that, the Giants made the one truly puzzling qualifying offer decision of the winter by tendering Joc Pederson. I’d even argue that J.D. Davis, who’ll become important in a minute, would be best suited to an outfield corner at this point in his career.
Correa-to-the-Giants was so exciting because of how the balance of power is shifting in the NL West, and the Giants are at risk of falling behind. The Dodgers have been the class of the division basically forever. (Do you remember anything that happened before 2014? I don’t. That was, like, 100 years ago.) The Padres are not only loaded for bear, they can’t seem to stop loading for bear. Plus, they finally got past L.A. in a playoff series last fall. And Diamondbacks in the mirror are closer than they appear.
So while the Giants have been fairly active this offseason, they failed to land an absolute superstar free agent, though they finished on the podium for both Correa and Aaron Judge. Well done.
What they have done is spend liberally in areas where you get a lot of bang for your buck in this class: mid-rotation starters (Sean Manaea, Ross Stripling), and corner outfield. I’ve argued that there wasn’t a real difference-making corner bat in this class apart from Judge, but if all you need is a 20-homer guy who can draw a walk and play left field without maiming himself, Haniger and Conforto are great options. Both of those positions — mid-rotation starter and corner outfield — were already positions of great depth for the Giants, but there’s something to be said for just getting the best players available and figuring it out later, particularly when the infield market fell off so sharply after the top few shortstops. If I had about $15 million to spend on a free agent, I’d choose Haniger or Conforto over…Elvis Andrus? Jeimer Candelario? Even if I needed a third baseman specifically.
Where that leaves the Giants is with basically three of the same guy at third base. Longoria’s gone, as is Jason Vosler, who started 25 games at third last year. The incumbents include Davis (13 starts with the Giants, five more with the Mets), Wilmer Flores (28 starts), and David Villar (25 starts).
All three of those guys can hit. Davis hits like a DH — he’s batted at least 200 times in each of the past four seasons, including 2020, and never posted a wRC+ under 119. He also fields like a DH. And you can tell because if he were able to play even bad defense at third, the Mets would’ve kept him instead of signing Escobar in December 2021. Flores hits for power without striking out quite so much as Davis. And if you want consistency, he’s posted a wRC+ between 102 and 120 in each of the past seven seasons. Unfortunately, he’s also a terrible defender whose WAR ended up between 0.7 and 1.5 in each of those seasons.
At 25, Villar is the youngest and least experienced of the trio. A late-blooming 11th round pick, Villar messed up Triple-A pitching in 2022: .275/.404/.617. He wasn’t half bad in the majors either: in 181 plate appearances, he hit .231/.331/.455, which adjusted for park effects comes to a wRC+ of 124. But like Davis, he struck out almost a third of the time.
The Giants have tried Villar at second in the minor leagues and even in the majors, in much the same way you might try to ride out a hurricane in a lawn chair on your porch with a 12-pack of beer: The experiment might not last long before the cops come and tell you to get back inside before you hurt yourself or someone else. But the bar for “best defensive third baseman on the Giants” is not high at all.
Ultimately, the Giants not only have less talent than the Mets at third base but less of a neat fit among their various hopefuls. All three are right-handed hitters, and all three are bat-first players at this point in their careers. Indeed, all three will likely spend time at first base, which has been left vacant by Brandon Belt. But while San Francisco’s huge collection of corner bats can fit together in many combinations, there is no obvious platoon partnership at third.
I don’t want to act like they’re all literally the same guy, but Steamer apparently does:
| Name | G | PA | HR | BB% | K% | AVG | OBP | SLG | wOBA | wRC+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| David Villar | 81 | 331 | 13 | 9.8 | 28.5 | .229 | .318 | .423 | .325 | 111 | 1.5 |
| J.D. Davis | 87 | 353 | 11 | 10.6 | 30.4 | .242 | .334 | .404 | .325 | 111 | 1.1 |
| Wilmer Flores | 118 | 502 | 16 | 8.7 | 16.4 | .250 | .322 | .414 | .322 | 109 | 1.8 |
This awkward fit is the result of a series of decisions that look smart in isolation, but will require some finesse to resolve into a coherent lineup. And there’s every possibility that at least one of these guys will hit enough to make up for the occasional error. But it’s less of a neat fit than just signing Correa. But that’s the difference between a $200 million team and a $350 million team — sometimes the former has to live with imperfect solutions.
Michael is a writer at FanGraphs. Previously, he was a staff writer at The Ringer and D1Baseball, and his work has appeared at Grantland, Baseball Prospectus, The Atlantic, ESPN.com, and various ill-remembered Phillies blogs. Follow him on Twitter, if you must, @MichaelBaumann.
I’m legitimately mad that you made me contemplate Bolton’s First Interrogative.
Now that I’ve been examining you so longgggggg……..
Saddest thing is I ALSO remember that song as a Laura Branigan song..which is only slightly less annoying then Bolton’s overwrought mess.
J.D Davis’ statcast numbers with the Giants are a sight to see
His statcast numbers have always been really strong he just needs to hit the ball in the air more.
He just needs to hit the ball more.
His z-contact% was second worst in all of baseball among players with 300+ PAs (71%, only above Christopher Morel–Morel being somewhat forgivable considering he basically skipped AAA entirely). And despite surface level improvements in wrc+ with the giants, his K% and z-contact only got worse with them. The man simply cannot make contact with a pitch in the upper half of the zone. When your z-contact is below Joey Gallo, there’s a bit of a problem. Every Mets fan who watched him knows exactly how he’ll be pitched and how he struggles to make contact.
This is why statcast sliders are a bit of a joke. People who just see bright red all over the place and think a player is good because of that are dumbing down baseball conversation.
Mets’ *ownership* gets exactly what it wants: no money spent, more worship of his wealth, free credibilities for trying…He’ll get his casino soon, real estate too, and then can gentrify the horsefeathers out of Queens
Tired act
Tell me you’ve never been to Willets Point without telling me you’ve never been to Willets Point
Did the Wilpons get the team back and I missed the memo?
The Giants infield (as it stands) brings back memories of recent vintage Philly teams.
It’s not too late to bring in a walking glove…
Not an Escobar fan at all, I hope they have a quick hook if he starts off slow again and Baty kills it in Syracuse.
Syracuse? Baty will be on the OD roster.
Both the Giants and the Mets have had the same goal for a while: Sign the best free agents without a qualifying offer attached. It’s what the Mets did with Verlander this offseason and Marte last offseason and what the Giants did last year with Rodon, and what they both wanted to do with Correa. It’s clearly an organizational preference, although the Giants did get more flexible on that because they were in on Judge.
Correa also had the nice benefit of being young, so in theory he would be good for a long time. That obviously doesn’t hold if the team is legitimately worried about his leg.
In terms of “what next”? I think the answer for the Mets is the same as “who are the top free agents next offseason without a QO”? Joc Pederson and Martin Perez and Josh Donaldson probably will be, but they’re probably not high-end free agents. And I don’t think Syndergaard or Stroman are going back to the Mets but they are possible in theory. The best answer is probably E-Rod (could opt out if he has a good season). I think the team is probably mostly set unless E-Rod has a good season and opts out or if Happ or Ohtani get traded midseason.
For the Giants, I think they continue to look for ways to make incremental improvements this year while keeping money available for a big, big splash next year for Ohtani and possibly also Machado or Nola. I think the Giants are the most likely team to pull a Rangers-style double-signing, because they have a huge amount of money and have been trying to spend it for a while.
Ohtani will be traded, so long as he’s healthy and the angels don’t contend. Teams don’t pay as much for rentals anymore, but for any team with a hole at DH (which tends to be a lot), you’re not only filling that hole but also getting a front line pitcher for the playoffs and likely a massive second half ticket sales bump.
The return for that blows QO compensation out of the water. Even the Rockies would doubtlessly pull the trigger.
Never doubt the Rockies’ ability to confound your expectations.
You may be underestimating Arte Moreno here.
MIN was willing to take the risk of Correa’s leg specifically BECAUSE it’s MIN. Absolutely no free agents want to sign and live there when compared to the options of NYC/LA/SF. MIN, by consequence of it being in the relative middle-of-nowhere, has to assume more risk than the coastal clubs in large markets.
I say this as a CLE fan. It is what it is.
Minneapolis is pretty dang nice, especially if you only live there April-October.
Minneapolis, as well as any midwest city not named Chicago, significantly affects potential earnings from non-baseball related activities. This is because it’s a Tier 3 city in the United States. Tier 1 being LA, NYC, Chicago and Tier 2 encompassing Miami, SF, Boston, etc. While this may not matter for the mid-tier FAs, it absolutely affects the top-tier, which Correa qualifies as.
MIN has to pay a premium in order to compensate for this fact. Note that MIN did protect themselves via the structuring of the contract which effectively shared the risk premium with Correa.
Disclaimer: Ceteris Paribus applies to the above. Just because the White Sox are in CHI doesn’t make them as attractive as the Cubs. Maybe this changes with a different owner and FO group.
While that is certainly true, the cost of living is also significantly lower then places like NY, SF, etc. I’d also imagine taxes are lower then places like NY & California, too.
I also wonder if the “Tier 1” market stuff is overrated some unless you want to get into music or movies where NY/LA really makes a difference. Business deals can be found anywhere. If you’re great & the team wins, the commercials seem to follow you.
Granted it’s a different sport, but, Aaron Rodgers & Patrick Mahomes seem to do OK despite playing in GB & KC. Brett Favre did pretty darn good, too..so did LeBron when he was in Cleveland.
Agree to disagree.
Football and baseball are much different media animals. Football is much more of a national sport these days given the general lack of regionality in the broadcasting, so the players are known on national stage.
Baseball remains extremely regional with regards to what games the average fan is able to watch and follow, and it shows with kinds of (largely regional) marketing opportunities its stars get.
Basketball is somewhere in between, and LeBron is LeBron. The dude was a national figure before he was drafted. Correa carries no where near such clout, nor separation from the rest of his peers.
Tax difference is pretty minor between Min and NY. If it was a state without income tax.
I don’t see any evidence of that. I see evidence of teams like the Guardians not paying enough to attract free agents. But the Twins paid up, and they got the man.
There are some players who have preferences for geography but they typically are for where they or their wives grew up, or proximity to their offseason home. So you see a lot of guys with interests in Atlanta, Phoenix, and various cities in California. And you would see it for Florida too, except those teams don’t spend much either. But Trea Turner’s wife is from New Jersey; and the Twins snagged a reliever for a similar reason a few offseason ago.
This statement somehow feels like a direct shot at the White Sox, “but if all you need is a 20-homer guy who can draw a walk and play left field without maiming himself”
If you need a guy who is an expert in maiming himself in left field but somehow manages to get you 15 home runs despite that, the White Sox have the best man for the job.
Ironically, despite the author’s statement about Haniger not maiming himself, he very well might be the second best guy for the job.
The title is hilarious
Surely the Giants can find someone willing to trade them a glove-first IF in exchange for one of their all-bat guys. I could be way off base here, but what about IKF? He doesn’t seem necessary in NY, whereas they could absolutely find a role for a slugging 1B/ COF/DH like Davis.
The Cardinals would likely take a lefty corner bat for Paul DeJong.
The Cardinals would probably take any single player who is owed less money than Paul deJong for Paul deJong.
“Not only that, the Giants made the one truly puzzling qualifying offer decision of the winter by tendering Joc Pederson.”
It’s not puzzling at all. It is surprising, but if you dig just a little past the surface, it’s easy to understand. He’s a good guy, he hits bombs, and he’s getting better against lefties. He was the best hitters on the Giants last year, and it wasn’t even particularly close.
The Giants knew that Joc would have a good market for his services for 2023. They made a calculated decision to give him the QO. If Joc accepts, it’s maybe a small overpay on a one-year deal, and they get their best hitter back. If Joc doesn’t, they get a compensatory draft pick.
If the Giants were in a easier division… That said the last time everyone wrote them off they won 107 wins.