How Did Javier Baez Strike Out?
Javier Baez strikes out. I wouldn’t go so far as to say it’s his whole thing, but it’s kind of a big part of his whole thing. Picture Javier Baez. Picture him hitting, not running or slapping a tag down on some poor, unsuspecting opponent. You see that swing? We’re all picturing the same swing. Sometimes that swing connects and it hits the ball a very far distance. Many more times, that swing whiffs. It finds nothing but the disappointing freedom of air. I don’t need to further explain Baez to you; his reputation is well established. He just homered 23 times, and twice more in the playoffs. He just struck out 144 times, and 11 times more in the playoffs. He wound up with a contact rate of 66%.
So Baez strikes out. I’m here to ask you about one strikeout in particular. Really, it’s two strikeouts, I guess, but they’re virtually identical, and one is from Game 5 of the recent NLCS. I didn’t write about this immediately because it didn’t seem relevant, not within the greater, ongoing postseason context. The postseason is dead now. Now we’re in a very different kind of postseason. So I’d like to shine the light on unusual Javier Baez strikeouts. Specifically, I want to know what you think about them.
Most of the time, when Baez strikes out, he strikes out swinging. That’s a part of being aggressive. We all know what it looks like when Baez strikes out swinging. It looks like this.
More rarely, when Baez strikes out, he strikes out looking. No one’s immune to being caught by surprise. This is what it looks like when Baez strikes out looking.
Right, nothing too weird. It’s weird to have Baez striking out looking in the first place, but there’s nothing weird about the actual process. Ball goes by. Umpire punches Baez out. Baez leaves the box. This is how all called strikeouts look, save for those questionable ones that cause a batter to flip his lid.
So what in the blue hell is this?
Don’t ask me how I tracked this down, but — Baez had done this before. Here’s Baez striking out in August of 2016.
That’s two, which is enough. Maybe there are more, but I don’t care. There are two, and one is from the Cubs’ final game of the year. It’s clear that we see Javier Baez striking out. But do we see Javier Baez striking out looking, or do we see Javier Baez striking out swinging? That’s why this post has been written — I’m calling on the audience to help out, in another poll. This is going to be in your hands. Well, actually, it’s not, because it’s already been decided, and your vote is irrelevant. But I don’t care what’s in the books. I care what you think, right now, today. How would you want this to be ruled? In your opinion, how did Javier Baez strike out? Before the poll, some brief arguments.
He struck out looking
Don’t be stupid. You’re being stupid. It’s stupid to even entertain this as a concept. There is no question, not in any reasonable sense. He struck out looking. He took the pitch and it was called a strike. That’s what striking out looking *is*. Just — I mean, just look at Baez as the pitch is crossing the plate.
Or, if you prefer, look at when the barrel is somewhere over the plate.
The pitcher is already celebrating. He’s leaving the mound. The catcher is leaving the catcher’s box. The umpire is already in full-on punch-out mode. As the pitch crossed the plate, Baez stood still. We know from baseball precedent — both in general and specific to Baez — that this isn’t how it looks when a hitter is trying to swing at the ball and make contact. It’s just way…too…late. It doesn’t feel like a legitimate swing, you know? So, deep down, your gut should tell you Baez struck out looking. Something less deep down should also be telling you that. How is this even a conversation? According to the books, and so, therefore, according to the scorers, Baez struck out looking. Duh.
He struck out swinging
But what if he didn’t strike out looking? Hold on, stay with me here. Why isn’t this a swing? So what if the swing is late? A swing is a swing, right? Baez’s actual swing itself is unambiguous. And if you’re super caught up in how late it took place, well, consider Baez’s front-foot trigger.
That’s not so late, right? And the trigger is the first part of any swing. Sure, Baez’s bat started moving awfully late. But the rest of his body had already started. Since when do we care about how a swing looks? Since when do we care about how a swing’s timed? We’ve all seen pretty swings, and we’ve all seen ugly ones. We’ve all seen early swings, and we’ve all seen late ones. Especially with two strikes in particular. Baez swung the bat. He did so while he was standing in the box. Baez struck out, and he was swinging.
There is no actual rule-book definition of a swing. There is a rule-book definition of a strike, and a strike can be called when a pitch “is struck at by the batter and is missed.” Is Baez seen attempting to strike at the ball? You might want to say the answer is no, but then, how comfortable are you trying to read intent? Shouldn’t we, if anything, be trying to eliminate intent as a factor? If you care about intent, then there would have to be some kind of 50/50 line, where a swing attempt goes from being late to being too late to be considered a swing at all. Why even try to get into that? Why open the door to that kind of in-the-weeds thinking if it’s unnecessary? This can be as black and white as it gets. Javier Baez is seen standing in the box. He’s seen swinging. Therefore, he’s seen striking out swinging. Easy. It only gets complicated if he checks his swing, but that’s a whole other problem.
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Thank you, friends, for your participation.
Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.



Gonna need this Hot Stove to heat up from a simmer ASAP
If loading your front foot is the “beginning” of a swing then batters “swing” on almost every pitch….
But since the bat doesn’t cross the plate, it’s a checked swing. And those aren’t swings.
This one saw the bat clearly cross the plate. It’s a swing.
The foot has nothing to do with a checked swing. A checked swing is based 100% on the hands.
Is it Spring Training yet?
Should have just stopped here – “Don’t be stupid. You’re being stupid. It’s stupid to even entertain this as a concept. There is no question, not in any reasonable sense. He struck out looking. ”
I love these detail articles, but this one in a swing and a miss, get it, I’ll show myself out.
Agreed. Loooooove me some Jeff Sullivan flights of fancy, but this one…well, is VERY fanciful indeed.
A fancy feast, if you will.
If the umpire has already started his strikeout motion before the bat crosses the plate, the swing is just a practice swing.
This brings up a rules question I’ve wondered about. Imagine it’s an 0-2 count with nobody on, and the pitcher tries to get a swing at a curveball in the dirt, but it’s too low and it bounces away from the catcher. At this point the catcher will usually ignore the ball that is rolling away and ask the umpire for a new ball.
What would happen if after the ball gets away from the catcher, the hitter swings at the air and runs to first base? Given how far the ball gets in these cases, they would make it easily. And if it doesn’t matter how late one swings, they could declare that they’ve struck out and reached on a dropped third strike.
Should that be allowed as a way to reach base? Or do we need some (implicit) rule about how late a swing can be and still be a swinging strike?
Umpires have the discretion to determine if the batter attempted to swing at the pitch. This is actually the same rule around check swings, not that “did he go half-way, let’s look at the overhead camera” nonsense.
So if the ump felt he didn’t offer at the pitch, he wouldn’t call it a swing.
I think many people have though of this scenario. It is the kind of situation that someone watching the game thinks about, not the players. As a player, you would never know if the ball got away from the catcher until it was too late unless the catcher is sitting there doing nothing (yeah, I am talking about Weiters). A 50 foot CB can still get caught or blocked. There are also plenty of ridiculous pitches that bounce off the backstop and come right back to the catcher for an easy out.
Oh man. Even as a Cubs fan, I had no idea this was a thing he did.
Honestly, it kind of makes me love Javy even more. All aspects of his game, even the awful parts, are just so flat-out ridiculous, that even when he fails terribly he’s still fun and interesting to watch.
Right. When a player’s failures are still entertaining, you got yourselves a fan-favorite. Recommended reading: Pence, Hunter
What’s really going on is Javy is thinking “Damn, I should have swung at that!”
I second this comment. I think we all know Javy well enough to know that after virtually every pitch he takes he thinks he should have swung at it – that’s just doubly so when he takes a called strike.
Yes, it’s a function of anger.
Javy is only ever caught looking at fastballs. Did not ever, I don’t think, take an offspeed pitch for strike three in 2017.
HITS ALL THE BOXES FOR ME
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Javier Baez struck out looking. After he struck out, he swung the bat. After a player walks, they often move the bat through the strike zone as part of their motion to throw the bat towards the bat boy. I’ve never seen a walk reversed because of this.
You’re the best, Jeff
Ok, it’s pretty obvious this is a strike out looking. It’s clearly Baez reacting to a called strike that he regretted looking at, and it’s just his way of occasionally showing his frustration with himself.
To me, that argument isn’t interesting, because the ump was already punching him out when he started to swing.
Here’s a better question – if the ump calls it a ball, and Baez does this, does the ump reverse his call?
I’d say no, but I’m not an ump.
Baez is “swinging” out of frustration, like a frustrated little kid would. He seems to lose concentration and other times he seems to make up his mind whether he will swing or not before the pitch is thrown. I think one of these two things happened on those pitches, although it looks more like he was in predetermined “take” mode in the example against Maeda.
The should be a 3rd option that is just: “ha ha ha”
Or, “check that hot stove, is the water boiling yet?”
Lol, I like most Jeff articles but this one might be a bridge too far. There’s literally 1 gif of actually relevant content in the entire thing. Nothing else is anything besides just random words that seem to be there just to waste space
If that’s a strikeout swinging, then all those guys who take a pitch for a ball, and then unconsciously sort of swing (more just moving the bat to their front hand) as they are backing out of the box are actually swinging, and those pitches should be called strikes.
What the heck are 11.34% of you (as of this moment) thinking?
I think the crux of this one is “what if that pitch was a ball?”
I actually voted for swinging because I think umps would call him out.
This is NotGraphs. This is Jeff making the ontological point that even though this is not NotGraphs, this is NotGraphs.
This is clearly just a swing out of frustration. Like me after hitting a 40 yard worm-burner off the tee, taking a dry swing to say, “THIS is actually what I meant to do.”
If that’s not the silliest poll I’ve ever seen, it’s definitely the silliest I’ve ever voted in.
But if a poll was what Jeff needed to feel justified in showing those two strikeouts, then it’s well worth it.
See this in cricket all the time. Batter makes a poor choice of shot, or a poor choice of shot vs no shot, and then reminds themselves what they should have done by actually doing it.
There is a audio of a playstation ad playing max volume on this article, but the ads on the page are for american express and some camera thing called light. It almost sounds like I am watching Star Wars in the theater while trying to read this. I have not even tried to watch the video yet.
How many times does a batter take a ball, then releases the tension in his arms with the bat falling harmlessly across homeplate (usually very close to the body, sometimes one-handed). They never account for swings. Baez’ version is more violent, but registers just the same.
This is the epitome of an off-season article and I hate to see it. Great site just looking for content. Baez K’d looking and he knows it, it was an obvious strike. He realizes that and is just messing around, he swings that late in fun knowing he’s already out. It’s a swag thing.
The dress is white and gold
I still can’t decide to this day…