How Quickly Can the Mets Retool?

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For the New York Mets, the 2026 season has been an almost unmitigated disaster. Widely expected to compete for the NL East crown, the Mets got off to a brief hot start. And by brief, I mean brief, as the season’s high point was knocking out Paul Skenes in the first inning on Opening Day against the Pirates. From there, the season unraveled like the finances of Mike Campbell from Ernest Hemingway’s The Sun Also Rises: Gradually and then suddenly.

The Mets ambled around the .500 mark for another week or so, until a 12-game losing streak knocked them firmly into the league basement, where they have mostly stayed. By the time the calendar flipped to August, they had long come to terms with the idea that they would be sellers at the deadline. Recently, though, the Mets have gone on a tear, winning 11 of their 15 games since their deadline fire sale, giving some fans an excuse to dream on a miracle wild card run. That almost recently won’t happen, but their abysmal season doesn’t have to signify the start of a long rebuild. In fact, New York teams with massive payrolls aren’t generally extended much rope, with the hope being that the club will find its way back to contention quickly. Can the Mets do that in 2027?

Whether you call it a bounceback or a rebound or a dead-cat bounce or, as Bill James dubbed it, the Plexiglass principle, baseball has a rich history of teams having dreadful seasons despite lofty expectations, and then coming back to right the ship the following year.

Since I have a couple decades of preseason projections to stand in for expectations, courtesy of ZiPS, I whipped up a quick table on how these underperforming teams did the following season. The pool here is all teams that were projected to win at least 85 games in a season (or 32 games in 2020), but underperformed by at least 10 wins (four for the 2020 teams). Going back to 2005, there are 37 such teams.

Biggest ZiPS Underperformers, 85+ Win Projections, 2005-2024
Year Team Proj. WPct WPct Miss Following Season Change from Year 1
2017 San Francisco Giants .543 .395 -.148 .451 .056
2005 Los Angeles Dodgers .580 .438 -.142 .543 .105
2009 New York Mets .562 .432 -.130 .488 .056
2012 Colorado Rockies .525 .395 -.130 .457 .062
2014 Texas Rangers .543 .414 -.130 .543 .130
2013 Toronto Blue Jays .580 .457 -.123 .512 .056
2023 St. Louis Cardinals .562 .438 -.123 .512 .074
2009 Cleveland Indians .525 .401 -.123 .426 .025
2012 Boston Red Sox .549 .426 -.123 .599 .173
2006 Chicago Cubs .525 .407 -.117 .525 .117
2021 San Diego Padres .605 .488 -.117 .549 .062
2012 Miami Marlins .543 .426 -.117 .383 -.043
2020 Washington Nationals .550 .433 -.117 .401 -.032
2021 Minnesota Twins .562 .451 -.111 .481 .031
2023 New York Mets .574 .463 -.111 .549 .086
2008 Detroit Tigers .562 .457 -.105 .528 .071
2015 Oakland A’s .525 .420 -.105 .426 .006
2014 Boston Red Sox .543 .438 -.105 .481 .043
2020 Houston Astros .583 .483 -.100 .586 .103
2008 Atlanta Braves .537 .444 -.093 .531 .086
2009 Arizona Diamondbacks .525 .432 -.093 .401 -.031
2013 Los Angeles Angels .574 .481 -.093 .605 .123
2017 New York Mets .525 .432 -.093 .475 .043
2021 New York Mets .562 .475 -.086 .623 .148
2024 Toronto Blue Jays .537 .457 -.080 .580 .123
2007 Minnesota Twins .568 .488 -.080 .540 .052
2011 Colorado Rockies .525 .451 -.074 .395 -.056
2015 Detroit Tigers .531 .460 -.071 .534 .075
2009 Chicago Cubs .586 .516 -.071 .463 -.053
2013 San Francisco Giants .537 .469 -.068 .543 .074
2017 Toronto Blue Jays .537 .469 -.068 .451 -.019
2006 St. Louis Cardinals .580 .516 -.065 .481 -.034
2005 Philadelphia Phillies .605 .543 -.062 .525 -.019
2014 Tampa Bay Rays .537 .475 -.062 .494 .019
2015 Seattle Mariners .531 .469 -.062 .531 .062
2019 Boston Red Sox .580 .519 -.062 .400 -.119
2006 San Francisco Giants .531 .472 -.059 .438 -.034

As in most situations in life, there’s good news and bad news. The good news is that the teams that underperformed generally played better the following season, with 27 of the 37 teams getting some kind of positive bounce. The bad news is that after being projected collectively as 90-win teams and only winning an average of 74 games, the typical comeback season only got the teams back to a .500 record (.499, technically). On average, only a little less than half the typical underperformance was recovered the next year. If the Mets had a typical bounceback season compared to the group, they’d only gain back seven wins in 2027, which would be rather unsatisfying given that they’re playing at a 73-win pace right now.

Projections let us do better than generalities, though, and the Mets do have a lot of things going in their favor. In 2027, they’ll likely get a better season from Francisco Lindor and a healthier one from Juan Soto. After a rough start, Carson Benge has been quite solid, and now has a better seasonal wRC+ (112) than even the most optimistic preseason projection (ZiPS at 108). No horrible injuries have befallen the team’s ace, Nolan McLean, either. The Mets also compensated for disappointing minor league seasons from Jonah Tong and Jacob Reimer by acquiring their now top prospect, shortstop Jefferson Rojas (50 FV), along with right-hander Gary Gill Hill (45 FV) and the man who forced me to learn how to put an accent on a capital E (alt-0201), second baseman Émilien Pitre (40 FV).

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So, where do the Mets stand? Let’s start by getting some projections for plausible roster additions in 2027. The Mets cleared out most of their free-agent eligibles, and with Bo Bichette very likely to pick up his two-year, $84 million option, Luis Robert Jr. is their only pending a free agent, after they presumably turn down their $20 million club option.

2027 ZiPS Projections, New York Mets Hitters
Player BA OBP SLG PA R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SB wRC+ WAR
Juan Soto .280 .414 .543 633 99 142 22 2 36 100 118 15 159 5.6
Francisco Lindor .253 .333 .438 564 82 126 25 2 21 72 53 15 109 4.0
Bo Bichette .277 .324 .415 618 70 158 29 1 16 78 39 3 103 2.8
Francisco Alvarez .237 .323 .438 440 48 92 16 1 20 61 44 1 112 2.4
Carson Benge .259 .331 .408 596 78 139 22 5 16 70 50 18 110 2.3
A.J. Ewing .260 .332 .383 622 81 143 29 6 9 62 59 34 103 2.2
Luis Torrens .232 .292 .358 278 28 59 14 0 6 31 19 1 83 1.5
Brett Baty .235 .304 .392 473 56 100 17 1 16 56 41 5 91 1.4
Marcus Semien .224 .294 .365 531 65 107 17 1 16 61 46 8 78 1.4
Ronny Mauricio .240 .285 .404 383 45 86 15 1 14 49 19 11 90 1.4
Jacob Reimer .219 .308 .384 442 61 85 24 2 12 57 40 8 99 1.4
Jefferson Rojas .221 .282 .366 554 68 112 22 3 15 66 39 10 85 1.2
Mark Vientos .241 .297 .428 462 48 102 20 1 19 67 30 0 100 1.0
Jorge Polanco .230 .305 .405 385 40 79 15 0 15 49 36 3 90 1.0
Jared Young .245 .329 .420 377 47 81 15 2 13 50 35 4 106 0.9
Shawn Ross .164 .258 .321 300 30 43 11 0 10 35 31 3 64 0.5
Nick Morabito .227 .305 .322 557 65 113 17 3 8 56 47 28 79 0.4
Eric Wagaman .246 .305 .393 419 48 94 19 2 11 48 32 5 87 0.3
Hayden Senger .188 .249 .301 264 26 45 7 1 6 26 15 1 52 0.3
Cristian Pache .203 .266 .301 385 39 71 15 2 5 34 26 9 59 0.0
Christopher Morel .220 .293 .410 416 49 82 15 1 18 53 36 5 92 0.0
Mitch Voit .202 .279 .255 104 14 19 2 0 1 8 9 9 60 -0.1

Though ZiPS no longer considers Brett Baty or Mark Vientos as viable starting options after 2026, it does see A.J. Ewing as a better one than it did in the preseason. That gives the Mets a decent six-man offensive core, with Soto and Lindor at its center. Not included in that core is Jorge Polanco. Even as ZiPS expects Polanco to bounce back some next season, attributing some of his woes this year to his various injuries, it views him as being in contract-eating territory. A Soto-Ewing-Benge outfield is solid, as is Francisco Alvarez behind the plate and the Lindor-Bichette left side of the infield. That leaves some unanswered questions at first base, second base, and DH. With the Mets almost certainly too far back to make a playoff run, there are worse ideas than to continue playing Marcus Semien and Baty to see if they can salvage enough of their individual 2026 campaigns to make them decent options for the 2027 Mets. My guess would be “maybe” on Baty, and no on Semien.

There are alternatives at these positions in free agency. Yandy Díaz projects as far better than any in-house option at first base, and there are several strong upgrades available at second base, including Brandon Lowe, Gleyber Torres, and Luis Arraez, among others. [Oops, I thought the Díaz option was a player one, not a club one. I need to get the hang of trusting my 48-year-old brain a lot less -DS]

2027 ZiPS Projections, New York Mets Pitchers
Player W L ERA G GS IP H HR BB SO ERA+ FIP WAR
Nolan McLean 10 9 3.77 29 28 157.7 132 18 57 169 111 3.85 2.8
Christian Scott 4 4 4.08 21 21 99.3 88 13 34 106 102 3.97 1.4
Zac Thornton 6 7 4.29 24 23 115.3 110 13 40 90 97 4.21 1.3
Tylor Megill 5 6 4.19 18 18 88.0 81 10 38 92 99 4.02 1.1
Jonah Tong 7 7 4.49 27 24 118.3 107 16 57 124 93 4.37 1.0
Gary Gill Hill 6 6 4.65 22 22 124.0 125 17 30 96 90 4.39 0.9
Sean Manaea 4 5 4.50 24 14 108.0 99 16 36 106 93 4.38 0.9
Tobias Myers 4 5 4.57 36 16 102.3 104 15 31 82 91 4.49 0.7
Kodai Senga 5 6 4.72 21 16 89.7 80 13 45 89 88 4.70 0.6
Devin Williams 4 3 3.53 53 0 51.0 39 5 24 66 118 3.38 0.5
Nate Lavender 3 2 3.68 42 2 51.3 40 6 22 66 113 3.63 0.5
Jonathan Pintaro 3 3 4.28 34 7 69.3 63 8 32 69 97 4.32 0.5
Justin Hagenman 3 3 4.58 25 11 72.7 73 12 17 64 91 4.37 0.5
Daniel Duarte 3 3 3.93 45 5 50.3 44 5 17 35 106 4.32 0.5
Robert Stock 2 2 4.85 15 11 52.0 51 7 22 49 86 4.76 0.3
Chayce McDermott 4 5 4.74 33 10 68.3 61 10 37 76 88 4.64 0.3
Xzavion Curry 3 3 4.86 24 11 79.7 84 12 27 51 86 4.93 0.2
Will Watson 4 6 5.03 19 17 73.3 73 10 35 58 83 4.95 0.2
Reed Garrett 3 4 4.19 33 0 34.3 32 4 18 38 99 4.12 0.2
Zach Franklin 3 3 4.42 43 1 55.0 49 8 21 57 94 4.35 0.1
Austin Warren 4 6 4.61 42 3 54.7 51 8 23 54 90 4.57 0.1
Dedniel Núñez 1 1 4.35 25 1 31.0 30 4 12 31 96 4.00 0.1
Cionel Pérez 3 3 4.68 47 1 50.0 47 5 26 47 89 4.32 -0.1
Jefry Yan 2 3 4.53 41 0 45.7 37 5 32 59 92 4.37 -0.1
Dylan Ross 2 2 4.84 48 2 48.3 42 6 30 51 86 4.65 -0.1
Ryan Lambert 2 2 5.06 38 0 37.3 31 5 27 43 82 5.01 -0.2

There’s more work to do on the pitching side of things. McLean is obviously somewhere at the top of the rotation, with Christian Scott plopped down in the middle. ZiPS is a quick believer in Zac Thornton, and he has another six weeks or so to continue to make the case for 2027. After that, it becomes problematic, especially if the Mets intend to contend. They certainly hope for a better Tong season next year (and he’s been better lately), and for Tylor Megill to be back from Tommy John surgery, but they can’t count on either. ZiPS is really worried about Senga as a 2027 option, which particularly displeases me as I’m a forkball connoisseur.

Fortunately for the Mets, there are plenty of great frontline starters available in free agency that a big-spending team could afford, most notably Tarik Skubal, but also Kevin Gausman, Robbie Ray, Casey Mize, Trevor Rogers, and Clay Holmes, the last of whom they just traded to the Cubs for Rojas at the deadline. Other top starting pitchers who could be available, depending on their respective player or mutual options, include Sonny Gray, Michael King, and Dustin May.

As it stands, the Mets’ bullpen also looks rather thin, though ZiPS thinks Daniel Duarte and Nathan Lavender are solid options for 2027 leading up to closer Devin Williams. Unlike with starting pitchers, the pickings are thin at top of the market for relievers, with the exception of Adrian Morejon. The Mets may have to go for quantity more than quality here.

So, where do the Mets stand entering the offseason? Short of any major changes to the current projections over the rest of the season, ZiPS puts the Mets at 82-80 in a league in which everyone can only use their signed players. That’s a good starting point for a team that always has the willingness to spend.

The all-but-guaranteed lockout, unfortunately, complicates matters somewhat. If the brawl between MLB and the MLBPA ends with some flavor of salary cap, soft or otherwise, or additional luxury tax penalties, the Mets already have a lot of money committed to this 82-80 team, with our estimate of their 2027 luxury tax payroll landing right around $217 million. There’s at least a possibility that the Mets simply don’t have the option to spend heavily in free agency to fill these holes. In that case, president of baseball operations David Stearns, should he survive any postseason organizational purge, might have to be as creative at adding inexpensive talent to the Mets as he was with the Brewers. But the new CBA and its ramifications are issues for Future FanGraphs to worry about!

There’s not much for the Mets to take away from 2026, but their problems aren’t so significant that they’re fated to wander the wilderness next year. The Mets do still have the foundational pieces to quickly build a winning team, especially given the ample financial resources from which they can draw. But, as the historical record demonstrates, a comeback season won’t take care of itself, and the Mets will have to be active to write a better story in 2027. The team still needs another impact bat, some oomph in the rotation, and quite a bit of bullpen help. If the new CBA leaves team owner Steve Cohen free to attack the problem by splashing cash, meaningful October baseball should be within reach for the Amazin’s. If not, Stearns may have to prove that the Mets can get back there by taking the considerably harder way.





Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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David Klein
23 days ago

This season has been tortuous besides for the last month, but as this article points out out it isn’t as gloomy as it seems. Benge, Scott, Ewing(even with his ugly slump the last five weeks), and McLean look like they all can be stars and core guys in addition to a hopefully healthy Lindor and Soto. . You then have Thorton, who looks like a good back end guy like Jon Niese was and Jared Young is a solid role player. You also have two really good catchers. They do have sinkholes in a cooked Semien and a broken Polanco, but you do have good alternatives to Semien bubbling up in Voit, Pitre and Rojas. The mostly no name bullpen led by Duarte (what a find!), and Lavander look great and Senga as a one inning guy fits like a glove.

I really do wish Andy Green would stay in the managerial position as he’s a huge upgrade over Mendoza and really every Mets manager after Bobby V. I respect his want to return to the front office and hope they hire someone as good as him and not an overrated Alex Cora.

mattMember since 2023
23 days ago
Reply to  David Klein

Benge and McLean definitely yes, Ewing/Scott are big leaguers but whether they are impact big leaguers are a real question. Lot of the stickier stats are not huge fans of Scott and Ewing has had a pretty rough season overall. As a Padres fan you definitely don’t want Andy Green long term.

David Klein
23 days ago
Reply to  matt

There have been numerous managers that were much better in their second stops as a manager Terry Francona most famously. It doesn’t matter anyway Green doesn’t want the job beyond the end of the season.

Michael ConteMember since 2020
23 days ago
Reply to  matt

In what world is league average hitting and good defense in CF “a pretty rough season overall?”

dl80Member since 2020
21 days ago
Reply to  Michael Conte

He’s been a below average hitter (not by a lot).

ihatehatazMember since 2018
19 days ago
Reply to  David Klein

Andy Green is the first decent tactical manager they’ve had since Valentine and makes Mets fans feel like he’s a genius. He’s not, he’s pretty average tactically. But that’s a big jump from bottom 5 every year!

BillyBeaneisnotmyloverMember since 2025
23 days ago

Doesn’t Tampa Bay have a player option on Diaz?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
23 days ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

Nope, he is locked in for next season.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
23 days ago

It’s moot because Tampa Bay wasn’t going to decline it, but Diaz’s option vested when he reached 500 PA, so he’s just under contract for next year as long as he passes a postseason physical.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
23 days ago

there are worse ideas than to continue playing Marcus Semien and Baty to see if they can salvage enough of their individual 2026 campaigns to make them decent options for the 2027 Mets

I don’t understand what this means. How is their 2027 performance contingent on what happens in September?

ZiPS is really worried about Senga as a 2027 [rotation] option

So are the Mets, which is why they’ve moved him to the bullpen?

The 2027 team is definitely in a bit of a tough place at this point, with a lot of gaps to fill, albeit alongside a lot of money to spend. They probably have what, $100-150M of budget space, but they need to find two starting pitchers, half a bullpen, and a right side of the infield that can hit. Wild-card contention at the 87-win level is probably within reach if they just go on a shopping spree and get the expected bounce-backs, but even if they continue to play musical chairs with the roster as aggressively as Stearns did this past year, it looks like a long way from here to a really good team.

SaltyMember since 2017
23 days ago

Had some of their pitching prospects had better seasons, they could have conceivably filled some of the pitching holes you mentioned, allowing the budget space to be more focused on 1B/2B plus more pitching depth. Instead, they have collectively had difficult years, and thus more holes to fill from players outside the organization next year.

Maybe they can stick with some sort of 2B mess with Semien/Baty/Mauricio and hope that Jef Rojas plays his way up by midseason if the MLB production remains underwhelming and save some money by not bringing in a FA 2B.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
23 days ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

I don’t see it. The talent level of both is a known commodity at this point. Brett Baty isn’t turning into Barry Bonds and Marcus Semien isn’t turning into himself from 5 years ago. If either one goes on the kind of tear he realistically might — say 25-30% better wRC+ for a meaningless month of wasted baseball — the Mets would be no less foolish to rely on him next year.

mookie28Member since 2016
23 days ago

Upvote 50x

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
23 days ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

I’m not sure they see this as a “for good” measure yet

They haven’t come out and said it, but I think the writing on the wall is pretty clear at this point. They feel his performance will be consistently better if he can just air it out for an inning at a time. They’ve dropped some off-the-record hints that it’s as much about the mental side as it’s about his arm.

David Klein
23 days ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

I don’t see any way he gets another kick at the can as a starter here. They’ve even started to use him as a one inning high leverage guy and so far so good.

David Klein
23 days ago

Baty has gotten 1500 at bats here he’s busted and needs to go imo.

Last edited 23 days ago by David Klein
Michael ConteMember since 2020
23 days ago
Reply to  David Klein

This x2 with Vientos

radivel
23 days ago

The Mets have so far mastered the art of retooling from one version of a mediocre overpriced team to another version of a mediocre overpriced team. Changing the tools doesn’t guarantee good results; perhaps it’s time to change the carpenter.

BranchRickey11937Member since 2016
23 days ago

I criticized it then and still do. The Mets have a gaping hole at 1B and in the middle of their order that somebody like Pete Alonso would be ideal to fill. Yes, his contract may be under water by 2030. Big deal. A huge mistake that most Mets’ fans knew was a mistake at the time.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
23 days ago

I am old enough to remember when the Mets thought that Polanco was going to play first base for them. I am also old enough to remember that for the couple years before that Polanco inevitably got injured whenever he was asked to be a full time hitter and defender. It was the single least defensible deal of their offseason. They would have been better off giving that money to Ryan O’Hearn, Miguel Andujar, Nate Lowe, really almost anyone other than Polanco himself. Even Dominic Smith.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
23 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

When I saw that the Mets had given Polanco a 2 year deal at $20 I simply couldn’t believe it. Nothing comes close to the way the Mets mishandled the 1st base situation in explaining the utter fiasco that 2026 has been.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
22 days ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

It was just such an obvious failure to consider the past. The guy got so hurt the previous year that he had to stop playing the field *and* had to stop switch hitting for a while. That he had his most plate appearances since 2021 *while hurting himself like that* should have made it obvious—the more you ask him to do, the less of him you get.

If they had just installed him as the DH and given him a lot of days off he might have been a cost-inefficient source of offense there. But the theory of him being an everyday first baseman had a ton of holes in it.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
22 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

It’s not even that it was necessarily a bad idea to take a gamble on Polanco in itself, it’s that it was insane to do it without a backup plan beyond Jared Young. The real problem is that the front office somehow convinced themselves that they had adequate depth to manage the risk, when what they actually had was just a large portfolio of long-shot gambles on guys to bounce back, or not get hurt, or be any good for the first time in their careers. It was a Wall Street Bets YOLO roster — they were totally missing the bond portion of the portfolio, the “low-risk, adequate performance” guys that set the floor.

slz
21 days ago

Alonso has been doubted because of his player type since he was literally called up. I remember a FG article (I think it might have even been a Zips one?) from his rookie year stating that losing the year of arb by having him up from the start wasnt going to matter because he was a R/R college 1B so he wasnt going to be a good player by the end of his salary control anyway

…At some point, you just have to admit that his power has staying power. Every comp that gets thrown up as the foreboding disaster to come isnt actually a comp. Theyre guys with very different bodies or who were much more inconsistent production wise (Alonso does not have one or two massive seasons surrounded by mediocrity…he throws up high 30s to low 40 HRs every year with ok but not otherwise great surrounding tools)

Yes, I get it. That could be pretty bad if the HRs ever stop. The 30s are bad for baseball players. But this applies to all of them.

The crime of Stearns’ offseason is he traded the future decline of players who were on the roster currently for the current decline of guys like…Jorge Polanco? and Marcus Semien. Just totally nonsensical

mattMember since 2023
23 days ago

The biggest question is what happened to the so called “pitching lab”. Lot of the pitching prospects took step backs (Tong especially) and Peralta had a really disappointing year.

Michael ConteMember since 2020
23 days ago
Reply to  matt

They somehow managed to make Tong’s whack but fun delivery into a whack and terrible one

I Like Big BuxtonMember since 2024
20 days ago
Reply to  Michael Conte

*Wack

metamorphicmetsMember since 2026
23 days ago
Reply to  matt

McLean
Scott
Thornton
Duarte
Lavender
Senga as a reliever

Traded:
Holmes as a starter
Brazoban
Weaver

wingedbeater
20 days ago
Reply to  matt

One reason might be Desi Druschel, whom they hired from the Yankees in 2024 and fired after about a year.

jpersamMember since 2024
23 days ago

NYM is in trouble if Gary Gill Hill finishes 2nd on the team in innings among returning Mets for 2027, as the ZiPS projections allude to.

If the players who are responsible for the team being clear sellers at the all star break get hot in Sept., that does nothing for me. Great that you figured it out when the games do not matter.

They can eat some of these bad contracts and still have money to improve the roster IF they trust their prospects to play in the show, something they historically have NOT done before this year with Benge. Even if they don’t win 90 games, at least having a team that isn’t an infuriating watch would be nice

metamorphicmetsMember since 2026
23 days ago

Hello. I am a committed Mets fan. You may laugh now. That aside, I study the Mets roster machinations as much as anyone. I rarely comment, but this article prompted me to leave this extended comment.

The Mets traded away 8 players from this year’s 26 man roster:
Peterson & Peralta (addition by subtraction)
Raley & Minter (older LH relievers)
Brazoban and Weaver (excellent RH relievers under team control for 2027)
Holmes & Taylor (2 productive players for a real good prospect).
Okay, we’re down 8 players from the June 2026 26 man roster.

Also currently missing from the 2026 26 man active roster: Soto, Vientos, Polanco, and Devin Williams are on the IL. That’s 12 men down, between the trades and the 4 IL players from 2026. The Mets are winning right now, looking good doing it, and playing unburdened by much of anything. Keep it up.

The next 12 games, all against first place teams, will tell us more about the current roster, and how they might be part of the 2027 roster, as well as any slim chances of making a late run at the 2026 playoffs. Ya gotta believe. How can you not root for this group of guys?

For 2027 and beyond, I don’t like the idea of more big years/$$,$$$,$$$ commitments, with an exception or two. Keep building the team like this and add a couple of pieces: Morejon for the bullpen and certainly a decent SP on a contract for 3 years. That’s it. I like the no-name bullpen. We have more no-names coming and we have Megill, Reed Garrett back in 2027. Stop spending for the sake of spending on expensive players. Just Morejon and a good SP, please.

Can we trade the right combination of players and prospects for Javier Sanoja, who is a much more capable defender, all-around player than Brett Baty? The current roster may not and should not change much for 2027. I for one, am tired of burdensome contracts and implied commitments to playing time that go with those contracts.

After 2027, Senga, Manaea, Polanco, are off the payroll.
After 2028, Williams, Semien, and Bichette are off the payroll.
The 2029 Mets could be something to see without burdensome contracts.

We can be younger and more athletic, and not be burdened by roster commitments to older, broken, and declining players. Stop spending so much. Let the kids percolate through the system and contribute, like we are seeing this year. We have a lot of excellent minor league talent for the future infield. Let it percolate.

Oh, last thoughts. No more Mark Vientos. No more Ronny Mauricio. I am not as put off by Brett Baty – for the money he’s paid, he’s the least of our roster problems. Do the Marlins still have interest in Baty? Can all 3 of these guys go to Miami in a trade for my guy Sanoja, even if we have to add a decent prospect?

This is my vision of the Mets team going forward. Feel free to fire back at me, though I may not immediately reply. Thanks for this space to leave my thoughts.

betobMember since 2025
23 days ago

I feel like Mike was always broke in the Sun Also Rises. Perennially ill-fortuned and irritating

sadtromboneMember since 2020
23 days ago

I think they’ll be fine in the end. I will take the over on McLean and Scott (pending health), and there are several second base options available. Or they could move Bichette there and put Baty back at third. They don’t really have a path to an elite starter unless they are willing to pay $400M for Skubal, but someone like Robbie Ray or Dustin May fits their parameters nicely. I don’t think they are real threats to win it all until they have another playoff caliber starter to pair with McLean…someone like Joe Ryan or Logan Gilbert. But I think they will be in the wild card race all year.

David Klein
23 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

How many chances do you want Baty to get? How many times can one player fail?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
22 days ago
Reply to  David Klein

The guy is underperforming his xwOBA by 25 points while playing six different positions, and he was fine last year. Park him at a position he knows how to play and he should be a solid platoon bat there, and perhaps better. Maybe that’s not the right fit for the Mets but I could see it easily work out for a whole bunch of average or good teams (e.g., Phillies, Brewers, Yankees, Pirates, Twins, Cardinals).

David Klein
22 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

He’s gotten nearly 1500 at bats and has exactly two productive months in that time. He has a career 84 wRC+. They handed him the third base job countless times and he handed it back. I swear I’ve never heard so many excuses for a terrible baseball player than for this guy.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
22 days ago
Reply to  David Klein

They have given him a lot of excuses! Maybe the Mets simply don’t know what to do with him and he’s a change of scenery candidate. But I think about half of MLB teams could unlock the version of him last year. Probably the Mets are going to continue to jerk him around without a consistent role until he’s arbitration eligible and then non-tender him, but I think the best scenario for everyone involved would be to swap him for some other position player where their team can’t figure out what to do with them either.

David Klein
22 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

If some team does God bless because he’s gotten a million chances here.

SharkyMember since 2024
21 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The Mets had Justin Turner, who blossomed after leaving the Mets. That was brutal to watch. But unlike with Turner, the Mets have given Baty a lot of opportunities. Maybe he just needs a steady role. Maybe. But I suspect the Mets simply can’t get any more from him. The question is whether the Mets can get anything useful by trading him — more useful than the mediocre utility player he is for the Mets today.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
22 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

It would be a very Mets outcome if they sent him to Milwaukee or St. Louis and he immediately became a decent, playable 2 WAR starter.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
22 days ago

It’s definitely an interesting thought experiment. In addition to the Rays, there are several teams run by Rays alums (Brewers, Dodgers, Cardinals, Marlins) and every time I think about Baty potentially being on one of those teams I conclude that he would be fine there. Not a star, just fine like he was in 2025. They would figure it out.

But the Mets see him more as a band aid than anything else. He’s played a ton of different positions this year and hit a decent amount in a ton of different lineup slots, and it looks like the Mets just slot him in wherever there is an injury.

I don’t know that he’s any better than that type of player, but because he can play adequate defense at 2B / 3B I would have a lot more hope for him than someone like Coby Mayo or Mark Vientos. And I think he’s very likely a better hitter than other young-ish second and third basemen who have gotten playing time this year like David Hamilton, Ben Williamson, and Nolan Gorman. Maybe I’m wrong about this but it sure feels like the Orioles, Brewers, Rays, or Cardinals would do more with Baty than the guys they actually played there.

David Klein
22 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

He has awRC+ of 75 this year and a career wRC+ of 84 and has been worth around two war in four years. His only useful stretch was when he put up a 109 ops+.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
21 days ago

That would also be a very Milwaukee outcome

slz
21 days ago

Baty’s upside is basically Alec Bohm so, like, sure. But that’s still not really a particularly useful player unless youre very short on useful players

SyndergaardengnomesMember since 2020
20 days ago

A 2 WAR starting 2B is not moving the needle for teams trying to make the playoffs.

If that’s what you’re “hoping” Baty could blossom into by moving to a random Central division team, that’s a pretty low bar to clear.

TKDCMember since 2016🏆 MVP
22 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

They’re definitely paying $400 million for Skubal.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
22 days ago
Reply to  TKDC

Yeah, if the Dodgers have decided they don’t want to go that high for Skubal he could wind up on the Mets. He would be a good fit for them, because a league ace is the one thing they don’t have and don’t have a reasonable hope of developing (although really no team can expect to develop a league ace). A Skubal – McLean – Scott playoff rotation would be pretty great. They do this and they’re title contenders again.

dl80Member since 2020
21 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The Dodgers are going to extend Skubal before the CBA ends so that his salary (along with all their others) can be grandfathered in. If a cap of, say, $200-250m is agreed upon, there will have to be exemptions for current contracts.

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I Like Big BuxtonMember since 2024
20 days ago
Reply to  dl80

It would really take an extraordinary offer from LA to get Skubal to sign an extension before he becomes a free agent in November.

branflakesMember since 2024
20 days ago
Reply to  TKDC

Stearns got alot of bad money off the books down the line, so I guess they could afford the gamble on Skubal.
Locking up a pitcher long term at that price seems really out of character for Stearns though.

John ChurchMember since 2020
22 days ago

You mentioned Bill James calling it the Plexiglass principle that teams rebound after bad years. But I’m reminded of another James aphorism (I think about the 1991 Giants); it’s a lot easier to fall off the horse than it is to get back on.

RMD4
22 days ago

Fun fact! The Mets are the only team to be on the ZiPS underachiever list four (!) times. (And they’ll make it five in a couple months). I imagine it’s big market pressure teamed with bad ownership that had been caught in a Ponzi scheme.

Also fun fact! The only seven teams who never made this underachiever list are almost all in the Central divisions – Cincy, Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, Kansas City, and the South Siders. It’s easy to not underachieve if you never really try.

While I’m pretty sure Cashman and co. will never win a World Series as long as they’re in charge due to being relatively risk averse, stubborn, and happy to point and repoint to modeled weighted averages, but I’ll earnestly give them high praise for never making this list once despite facing more pressure than everyone else.

JRMember since 2025
22 days ago

Soto has proven he can be a world-beater hitter. But world-beater hitters without decent support in the batting order are as rare as frogs in the soprano section. Missing Alonso’s 30 home runs is bad enough, but there is not much use having Soto if you can’t guarantee pitchers have to pitch to him when it counts. The Mets honchos apparently didn’t know that.

David Klein
22 days ago
Reply to  JR

Soto was walking less than he did last year when Alonso was here.

SharkyMember since 2024
21 days ago
Reply to  David Klein

Maybe he is chasing more now, knowing he has to be the entirety of the offense.

Amazins2410Member since 2024
21 days ago
Reply to  Sharky

He’s walking at basically the same rate as last year (17.5% in ‘26 vs 17.8%) and striking out considerably less (13.4% vs 19.2%). He is swinging more at pitches out of the zone (19.7% vs 15.7%), but also at pitches in the zone (61.9% vs 55.2%) he’s just swinging more in general (39.1% vs 35.3%). His contact rate is also up on pitches both out of the zone (63.0% vs 59.7%) and in the zone (88.2% vs 85.8%; 81.3% vs 79.9% overall). He is also seeing fewer pitches in the zone however (45.8% vs 49.5%). There definitely seems to be a more contact-oriented approach shift from his this season, and it’s resulting in a fairly typical overall Juan Soto performance (.402 wOBA vs .390, .422 xwOBA vs .429, 159 wRC+ vs 156).

dl80Member since 2020
21 days ago
Reply to  Amazins2410

His IBB% has gone from 1.8% to 2.5%. It’s not dramatic, but it is significant.

dl80Member since 2020
21 days ago

Why does ZIPS like Thornton so much? He doesn’t strike anyone out, has decent but not great control, has average groundball rates. He seems very much like smoke and mirrors to me.

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jb1205Member since 2022
20 days ago
Reply to  dl80

Does ZiPS really seem to like him that much? It seems to be factoring in significant regression from his performance so far this year. Looking at the ZiPS projections for ROS, they are pretty in line with the other projection systems. The ERA/FIP projections around 4.20 for next year aren’t exactly glazing him.

Thornton seems to be a “pitch to contact” guy; he gets a decent number of fly balls, but HR have not been a huge problem yet and we finally have a decent defense around him. He’s not likely to be a frontline guy, but a pitcher who can consistently give 5-7 innings with an ERA in the low 4s is pretty valuable, especially at pre-arb prices.

frankMember since 2016
20 days ago

Where can we find these ZIPS projections ourselves? Or are they not on the FG website?

LenFuegoMember since 2025
19 days ago

The Mets front office needs to stop selling out to win *this year* every year, and instead build a strong organization that is set up to compete *in the long term*. “Where will this put us three years from now?” should be the touchstone of every decision.