How to Make $750 Million, Cash Free

With most every other professional sport moving forward with a plan to resume play, baseball’s unsettled future sticks out like a sore thumb. Inevitably, battle lines have been drawn; the owners claim poverty and hardship, the players toe their pro-rata line while dangling various season lengths and inducements, and each side claims the other is intransigent and negotiating in bad faith (one side’s argument is much stronger than the other’s as far as that’s concerned).

One of the key arguments the owners have made is that their teams aren’t profit centers. It’s never couched in exactly those words, but that’s the primary gist of the argument. When Tom Ricketts spoke about the Cubs’ finances, he focused on a specific point: that the team isn’t hoarding cash.

“Most baseball owners don’t take money out of their team. They raise all the revenue they can from tickets and media rights, and they take out their expenses, and they give all the money left to their GM to spend,” he said, in regards to earlier comments by Scott Boras. Cardinals owner Bill DeWitt approached it from a different angle in discussing the team’s real estate expansion, saying “we don’t view (Ballpark Village) as a great profit opportunity.”

I find both of these quotes quite interesting, not for what they reveal, but rather for how precisely they are formulated. Ricketts focused on cash — dollars that flow from team coffers to owners’ bank accounts. DeWitt focused on the profitability of real estate ventures, profit being a notoriously nebulous concept.

Before going any further, I’ll note that both Ricketts and DeWitt are within their rights to posture heavily, or even lie in substance, with these statements. How productive that approach is (eh) and how well it sits with us (not very!) are questions worth considering, but they’re allowed. They’re not under oath, and they’re in no way required to open their books. Parties bluff and lie in negotiations all the time, and both of these statements are, at their core, negotiations with the players using the public as intermediary.

But let’s take them at their word. This seems to be the core issue the owners are asserting: they aren’t taking home any money from their teams, even in good times, so they can’t be expected to take a loss when times get tough. No cash when times are good, cash loss when there’s a recession; the math doesn’t add up. In almost every public statement, owners mention this exact sentiment.

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Rather than scoff and declare shenanigans, I decided to abide by the exact letter of Ricketts’ and DeWitt’s statements and see how much non-cash profit I could make while running a theoretical team. Imagine this: I run a business that makes $1 billion in revenue and pays $550 million in total operating costs. Off the top, you might say that I’m running a business that makes $450 million in cash. Now, imagine instead that I bought the Salvator Mundi in an auction and displayed it in my boardroom. I now have zero cash remaining. You would be justified in saying, however, that I’m richer than if I had simply given that $550 million to charity, or spent it on increased operating costs.

Of course, that’s not the reality of the owners’ situation. They aren’t buying expensive art and stashing it in the home clubhouse. It’s simply an extreme example of why cash out is a poor measure of profitability. Rather than simply mention a fancy painting, let’s walk through a hypothetical example of what this could look like for a team, and why cash, or even the “profitability” of a specific venture, isn’t a great metric for financial gain.

In this hypothetical, I’m going to take over a generic team and run it for 10 years. The costs and revenues associated with baseball are all invented — this isn’t an attempt to work out the books of any particular team. Instead, I’ll abstract them, so that we can instead focus on the overall pattern rather than year-to-year weirdness. Let’s further stipulate that the team would, with no interference, clear a healthy pile of cash every year — after all, the point of this exercise is to transform a positive cash flow business into a flat cash flow business. Here are those initial inputs:

FanGraphs Fiddlers Year 1 Revenues
Year TV Revenue Gate Revenue League Revenue Player Outlay Other Costs Net
1 $50M $80M $50M -$90M -$40M $50M

Right away, we have a problem. The team needs to have no net cash at the end of the year to fulfill Ricketts’ statement. We can’t simply sweep it into a bank account held in the team name either; we’ll need to spend it on “expenses.” Let’s buy some real estate in the area around the stadium, considering that part of the team’s infrastructure, which Ricketts explicitly mentioned as part of expenses. That will allow us to generate future revenue by renting out that real estate (in practice, teams also own and operate commercial ventures on stadium-adjacent land, but we’ll leave it to rentals in this hypothetical).

While we’re at it, let’s take out some debt. $50 million only buys so much real estate, after all, and we’d like to go big. We’ll issue $500 million in bonds and use the proceeds, in conjunction with our profit, to buy $550 million worth of real estate. I’m going to use numerous simplifications here, so if you’re in the market for some financial minutiae, you’re in luck. The debt is perpetual, callable at par in any year, and pays a coupon of 3.5%. In practice, this means that every year we’ll pay interest equal to 3.5% of our debt burden, and we’ll also be able to pay down the debt with any cash on hand. This doesn’t mirror real-life bonds, but it’s close enough for our purposes; adding a debt stack, a yield curve, and a complicated waterfall of bond repayments and new issuance to cover old debts isn’t worth the extra complexity it costs.

Next, we need some assumptions for our real estate. We need to follow DeWitt’s rule; our real estate ventures can’t be a great opportunity for profit. To accomplish this, I’m assuming an arbitrary rental yield of 4%. That means that on our $550 million purchase, we can expect annual income of $22 million. Given that we’ll be paying 3.5% of $500 million, or $17.5 million, in debt servicing costs, we’re only clearing $4.5 million a year, or a 0.8% return on our $550 million in gross assets. That certainly qualifies as “not great” in my book.

Alright, with that first purchase down, let’s look at year two. Of note, the proceeds from a bond show as a positive (we took in $500 million) and buying real estate shows up as a negative (we paid $550 million):

FanGraphs Fiddlers Years 1-2 Revenue
Year TV Revenue Gate Revenue League Revenue Player Outlay Other Costs Debt Service Bond Proceeds Real Estate Rent Net
1 $50M $80M $50M -$90M -$40M $0 $500M -$550M $0 $0
2 $52.5M $84M $52.5M -$94.5M -$42M -$17.5M $0 $0 $22M $57M

All of our team-related costs and revenues increased by 5%, to approximate the appreciation in the value of live sports viewing over the past 10 years, as well as player and front office salary increases. Our debt costs and rental revenue are also in there. And dangit! We have $57 million in profit to put to work again to get back to our zero cash balance.

This time, I’m introducing a new investment. Real estate is all well and good, but I like having pretty things. This time, we’re putting that $57 million towards stadium improvements; a scoreboard, perhaps, or some new luxury boxes. I’m not here to come up with the specifics, just create a sketch. These improvements will create revenue, but we need to stick with DeWitt’s directive; they can’t be worth much. Let’s assume they generate the same 4% return as rental yield — not through rent, but rather through increased ticket prices, better concessions sales, or whatnot.

Next, it’s time to add a new table, net asset value. Thinking back to the painting example again, if my only asset was the Salvator Mundi, I’d have an asset worth $450 million, so my net asset value would be $450 million. If instead I had taken out a $450 million loan to buy it, I’d have a $450 million liability offsetting my asset, and a net $0 asset value. Here’s how that looks in Year 2 (these tables scroll):

FanGraphs Fiddlers Years 1-2 Revenue with Stadium Improvements
Year TV Revs Gate Revs League Revs Player Outlay Other Costs Debt Service Income From Bonds Real Estate Purchases Rent Stadium Improvements Improvement Income Net
1 $50M $80M $50M -$90M -$40M $0 $500M -$550M $0 $0 $0 $0
2 $52.5M $84M $52.5M -$94.5M -$42M -$17.5M $0 $0 $22M -$57M $0 $0

FanGraphs Fiddlers Asset Values
Year Real Estate Stadium Improvements Debt Balance Net Asset Value
1 $550M $0 -$500M $50M
2 $550M $57M -$500M $107M

You might notice, if you’re a financial nitpicker, that I’ve left out terms for depreciation and appreciation, not to mention amortization. A scoreboard that costs $100 million today won’t be worth $100 million in 20 years; most likely, it will be antiquated and worthless. On the other hand, $100 million of real estate today will likely be worth significantly more in the same 20 year span. I’m just treating both as zero rather than, again, adding complexity to the model without greatly improving its usefulness.

From there, I’m going to start going faster. In Year 3, our team starts making money on its stadium improvements and doubles down on improving the stadium. I put our entire net revenue, as well as the proceeds of a new $100 million bond sale, into stadium improvements. Now we’re cooking with gas:

FanGraphs Fiddlers Years 1-3 Revenues
Year TV Revs Gate Revs League Revs Player Outlay Other Costs Debt Service Income From Bonds Real Estate Purchases Rent Stadium Improvements Improvement Income Net
1 $50M $80M $50M -$90M -$40M $0 $500M -$550M $0 $0 $0 $0
2 $52.5M $84M $52.5M -$94.5M -$42M -$17.5M $0 $0 $22M -$57M $0 $0
3 $55.1M $88.2M $55.1M -$99.2M -$44.1M -$17.5M $100M $0 $22M -$161.9M $2.3M $0

FanGraphs Fiddlers Asset Values
Year Real Estate Stadium Improvements Debt Balance Net Asset Value
1 $550M $0 -$500M $50M
2 $550M $57M -$500M $107M
3 $550M $217.5M -$600M $167.5M

In Year 4, we’re still working on the stadium, though we’re also, just to show that it can be done in this stylized model, paying down some debt. Bond repayments, naturally, show up as a negative number — cash paid out. This will lower our debt burden for next year, freeing up money to plow back into improvements. We still have no net cash balance, but the net asset value of the club is starting to pile up:

FanGraphs Fiddlers Years 1-4 Revenues
Year TV Revs Gate Revs League Revs Player Outlay Other Costs Debt Service Income From Bonds Real Estate Purchases Rent Stadium Improvements Improvement Income Net
1 $50M $80M $50M -$90M -$40M $0 $500M -$550M $0 $0 $0 $0
2 $52.5M $84M $52.5M -$94.5M -$42M -$17.5M $0M $0 $22M -$57M $0 $0
3 $55.1M $88.2M $55.1M -$99.2M -$44.1M -$17.5M $100M $0 $22M -$161.9M $2.3M $0
4 $57.9M $92.6M $57.9M -$104.2M -$46.3M -$21M -$30M $0 $22M -$37.6M $8.7M $0

FanGraphs Fiddlers Asset Values
Year Real Estate Stadium Improvements Debt Balance Net Asset Value
1 $550M $0 -$500M $50M
2 $550M $57M -$500M $107M
3 $550M $217.5M -$600M $167.5M
4 $550M $255M -$570M $235M

In Year 5, it’s time for more real estate and more debt repayment. We have to keep doing something with our money — we can’t run a cash balance, after all. The asset value is increasing, always increasing:

FanGraphs Fiddlers Years 1-5 Revenues
Year TV Revs Gate Revs League Revs Player Outlay Other Costs Debt Service Income From Bonds Real Estate Purchases Rent Stadium Improvements Improvement Income Net
1 $50M $80M $50M -$90M -$40M $0 $500M -$550M $0 $0 $0 $0
2 $52.5M $84M $52.5M -$94.5M -$42M -$17.5M $0 $0 $22M -$57M $0 $0
3 $55.1M $88.2M $55.1M -$99.2M -$44.1M -$17.5M $100M $0 $22M -$161.9M $2.3M $0
4 $57.9M $92.6M $57.9M -$104.2M -$46.3M -$21M -$30M $0 $22M -$37.6M $8.7M $0
5 $60.8M $97.2M $60.8M -$109.4M -$48.6M -$20M -$20M -$53M $22M $0 $10.2M $0

FanGraphs Fiddlers Asset Values
Year Real Estate Stadium Improvements Debt Balance Net Asset Value
1 $550M $0 -$500M $50M
2 $550M $57M -$500M $107M
3 $550M $217.5M -$600M $167.5M
4 $550M $255M -$570M $235M
5 $603M $255M -$550M $308.1M

Years 6 through 10 are more of the same. I set an arbitrary goal of ending with as much money in stadium improvements as in real estate, which I accomplished by focusing heavily on stadium improvements over these years. You could achieve similar results by focusing more on real estate — I’m just a sucker for symmetry:

FanGraphs Fiddlers Years 1-10 Revenues
Year TV Revs Gate Revs League Revs Player Outlay Other Costs Debt Service Income From Bonds Real Estate Purchases Rent Stadium Improvements Improvement Income Net
1 $50M $80M $50M -$90M -$40M $0 $500M -$550M $0 $0 $0 $0
2 $52.5M $84M $52.5M -$94.5M -$42M -$17.5M $0 $0 $22M -$57M $0 $0
3 $55.1M $88.2M $55.1M -$99.2M -$44.1M -$17.5M $100M $0 $22M -$161.9M $2.3M $0
4 $57.9M $92.6M $57.9M -$104.2M -$46.3M -$21M -$30M $0 $22M -$37.6M $8.7M $0
5 $60.8M $97.2M $60.8M -$109.4M -$48.6M -$20M -$20M -$53M $22M $0 $10.2M $0
6 $63.8M $102.1M $63.8M -$114.9M -$51.1M -$19.3M $0 -$40M $24.1M -$38.9M $10.2M $0
7 $67M $107.2M $67M -$120.6M -$53.6M -$19.3M -$25M $0 $25.7M -$60.2M $11.8M $0
8 $70.4M $112.6M $70.4M -$126.6M -$56.3M -$18.4M $0 $0 $25.7M -$91.9M $14.2M $0
9 $73.9M $118.2M $73.9M -$133M -$59.1M -$18.4M $0 $0 $25.7M -$99.1M $17.8M $0
10 $77.6M $124.1M $77.6M -$139.6M -$62.1M -$18.4M $0 $0 $25.7M -$106.7M $21.8M $0

FanGraphs Fiddlers Asset Values
Year Real Estate Stadium Improvements Debt Balance Net Asset Value
1 $550M $0 -$500M $50M
2 $550M $57M -$500M $107M
3 $550M $217.5M -$600M $167.5M
4 $550M $255M -$570M $235M
5 $603M $255M -$550M $308.1M
6 $643M $293.9M -$550M $387M
7 $643M $354.2M -$525M $472.2M
8 $643M $446M -$525M $564.1M
9 $643M $545.1M -$525M $663.1M
10 $643M $651.8M -$525M $769.8M

After 10 years, the asset value of our team has increased by more than $750 million. This isn’t cash on hand; you couldn’t go down to the bank and withdraw that money. But it’s still economic gain; were we to sell the team, the value would go up because of these revenue-increasing improvements. In the case of the real estate, we could even sell it without selling the team — though that’s impossible for stadium improvements.

Imagine, if you will, that the team was worth $1 billion at the start of Year 1. Even if the underlying business (taking in TV rights and gate revenue and spending some of it to create entertainment) hasn’t changed at all, there’s an additional boatload of assets to sell to any prospective buyer — in my naive model, $762 million worth of extra assets. You can argue that this is an imperfect way of representing team sale price — and it is! But it’s fine for a sketch; no one would argue that putting $600 million into stadium improvements that increase local income and buying $600 million worth of real estate doesn’t increase the value of owning the team.

I’ve left aside all sorts of economic details. My treatment of depreciation and appreciation is ridiculous. My debt terms are silly. I’ve completely ignored stakes in RSN’s, which is one way many teams choose to receive compensation for their broadcast rights, but that work largely like real estate in this model. I’ve also left out tax subsidies teams might receive for real estate development. It’s an inexact science!

Still, we can say this much. At no point in these 10 years did this fictional team ever take in a cash profit. The bank account saying “FanGraphs Fiddlers” (it’s my team, I’ll name it what I want) has the exact same balance as always. Our real estate ventures weren’t “greatly profitable” — over 10 years, our $1.3 billion in accumulated real estate and stadium improvements have netted us only $142 million after the cost of debt. IRR isn’t a great way to look at this because we didn’t have $1.3 billion in assets for the entire 10 years, but no one would argue for that being a wildly profitable rate of return.

And yet — the team value has nearly doubled in the course of a decade. A new buyer would pay something like $1.75 billion for the team. That’s not money in our pocket, but it’s net worth — no different, aside from asset liquidity, than owning a stock that went up by 75%. Even if you don’t receive any dividends, you’re clearly making money on the deal.

Next, let’s COVID-19-adjust this situation. The season is cut to 82 games, gate revenue falls to zero, some renters can’t pay; you know the drill. Now we’re facing a cash shortfall:

FanGraphs Fiddlers Revenues (COVID-19)
Year TV Revs Gate Revs League Revs Player Outlay Other Costs Debt Service Income From Bonds Real Estate Purchases Rent Stadium Improvements Improvement Income Net
2020 $41.2M $0 $41.2M -$74.2M -$48.9m -$18.4M $0 $0 $12.9M $0 $0 -$46.1M

In this world, though, player contracts are absolute (on a pro-rata basis), and an 82-game season is unavoidable. We can’t run a negative cash balance — we’ll have to take out debt instead. Now our 11-year totals look like this:

FanGraphs Fiddlers Revenues (COVID-19 w/Debt)
Year TV Revs Gate Revs League Revs Player Outlay Other Costs Debt Service Income From Bonds Real Estate Purchases Rent Stadium Improvements Improvement Income Net
2020 $41.2M $0 $41.2M -$74.2M -$48.9m -$18.4M $46.1M $0 $12.9M $0 $0 $0

FanGraphs Fiddlers Asset Values (post-COVID)
Year Real Estate Stadium Improvements Debt Balance Net Asset Value
2020 $643M $651.8M -$571.1M $723.7M

There’s no denying it; the team lost money in 2020. From a rate of return perspective, though, and assuming the team was initially worth $1 billion dollars, all this means is that the rate of return on investment, over the entire span of 11 years, fell from 5.9% annualized to 5.1% annualized. The net accumulated asset value is still enormous.

If the owners are forced to honor player contracts, this is the likely outcome. It’s already happening, a little — Ricketts mentioned in his interview that every team has taken out debt this year. The owners are hoping to make that back in decreased salary costs, but even if they don’t, that doesn’t undo the last 10 years of accumulation, if my model roughly captures the reality of owning a team.

About that — I make no representation that this is an accurate picture of a team’s finances. I’ve purposefully left every detail vague and generic. I certainly don’t know any team whose finances match this exact picture. I’m not attempting to capture the inner workings of the Cubs or the Cardinals.

My point is merely this: when owners say things like “we don’t take any cash out” and “our investments aren’t a great profit source,” read those closely. Those statements sound like they mean, necessarily, that owners aren’t getting any richer. They’re not keeping anything for themselves! They’re making bad investments! That simply isn’t the case, however.

Maybe baseball teams are bad investments — though the rapidly increasing cost of one suggests that this isn’t the case. Maybe my model is goofy — it certainly has its fair share of blind spots. Maybe a look into a team’s complete books and records would show that the profit from ongoing operations is actually vanishingly small, though I’ve never seen any compelling evidence of that. Just remember — “making money” doesn’t just mean putting zeroes on your bank account or hundos under your pillow. There are plenty of ways for the rich to get richer without resorting to cold, hard cash.





Ben is a writer at FanGraphs. He can be found on Bluesky @benclemens.

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GoTigers!
6 years ago

Excellent analysis. There’s a reason no owner wants to open their books. An analog is how multi-national corporations use transfer pricing to show little/no profit in different geographies.

Chaise Kahlenbeck
6 years ago

This is great and needed to be done; thanks for taking up the charge!

A couple items of note from my end:

-I think the real estate portion could get even murkier, as I believe the areas surrounding Wrigley are owned by a separate LLC. In theory, the Cubs could funnel “rent” paid to this LLC for the use of the facilities, driving down income and reducing cash while simultaneously keeping the cash in the family, if you catch my drift. That assumes that the LLC is the one assuming the debt to purchase the real estate, of course, but can shift funds in an additional way.

-The income tax portion of this is VERY interesting to me. As you noted, depreciation could play a huge role in these calculation and it absolutely does. While GAAP depreciation is relatively steady, tax depreciation has really opened up with recent tax law changes; depending on the asset (and I’m not a stadium asset guru), most of these costs could be written off in Year 1, driving huge tax losses compared to relatively small book income/loss/breakeven. This likely flows through to the owners, who can use these losses to offset other income, like W-2 wages (if they have that).

Not only that, but if the entity owning the team is an S corporation and at least some of the owners are officers, the tax rules stipulate that officers must be reasonably compensated (ie receive wages through a W-2). This drives down income from the business but still enriches the owners, this time with actual cash through wages. As mentioned above, the tax losses can offset W-2 income. Any associated income tax withheld gets refunded if the loss from the business is bigger than the W-2 income (lots of variables, of course).

TLDR: There are lots of ways to get rich off this scheme.

docgooden85Member since 2018
6 years ago

I was definitely thinking about tax avoidance* the whole time I was reading this.

*We know “avoidance” and “evasion” mean the same thing but only one is illegal for taxes, which makes perfect sense of course. Legally it is safest to just say “planning” and try not to wink.

Mike NMN
6 years ago

Nice job. BTW, I know you don’t want to get into depreciation and amortization, but when these businesses are not the only business that the owner has stakes in, non-cash losses may be used to offset actual earnings. And when commercial real estate is sold, the gains can be deferred through like-kind exchanges (I know, also a simplification). This doesn’t mean to imply that owners can’t be lousy businessmen, do stupid contracts, or make terrible mistakes (Wilpons) but one of the advantages of being uber-wealthy is that you can reinvest your free cashflow instead of taking in out to live on.

D-WizMember since 2019
6 years ago

Awesome article – hopefully it makes a small dent in the armor of the owners and those disposed to blindly follow them and take their word as gospel.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago

The thing that drives me totally crazy about how this whole debate has been covered is that in the league’s calculations, they clearly showed that on the owners do make money collectively for every game played, although not much (Craig’s math finally nailed down the exact number). But there is this enormous black box for the team titled “local expenses” which totals $2 billion in expenditures. The owners are using that number to argue they’re going to lose money, which is obviously true–but not true on a per-game basis.

I’ve been sitting there wondering what could be sitting in that “local expenses” black box beyond executive and coach salaries, the relatively few other salaries that aren’t seasonal and dependent on game day, and stadium debt. I think this helps me understand much better what else goes into that black box–stuff that really has very little to do with the number of games played, and to the extent that it does, it helps the owners’ bottom line.

OddBall Herrera
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Maybe taxes?

jts19Member since 2020
6 years ago

Thanks Ben, this is really helpful for those of us without finance backgrounds. This is one of the clearest explanations I’ve read of concepts that I generally find quite opaque.

I have one question: in your COVID scenario, you say, “ We can’t run a negative cash balance — we’ll have to take out debt instead.” Do you have a sense for how feasible this actually is for teams? Presumably, they have to take out massive amounts of debt. What do you think the costs are to this in terms of interest rate (or other)?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  jts19

The problem is that at least half the teams, maybe more, are going to have to take out debt no matter what. This is the totally bizarre thing about this scenario–more than half of the teams are losing money no matter what happens, so the statement sort of implies a reality that is not happening and could, in theory, bolster the owners’ case.

cdarcyMember since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  jts19

This is a great comment. How many teams would have the capacity to service the additional debt taken out this year, in addition to 2021 and beyond?

Sarachim
6 years ago
Reply to  jts19

Not an economist, but it’s pretty easy to borrow money when you have an asset (like a baseball team) worth many times the amount you want to borrow, because that means that the lender has almost zero risk. And even if a team lost so much money on each empty-stadium game that they had to borrow 100% of player salaries, that’d still be only ~$50-100 million per team, versus a franchise valuation of ~$1-5 billion.

MikeSMember since 2020
6 years ago

I think this is one reason the players won’t agree to a cap. If the cap is set at some percentage of revenue, profit, or some other number, it becomes too difficult for MLBPA to anticipate all the ways the owners can manipulate that number and if they miss one it costs them maybe hundreds of millions of dollars collectively until they get to the next CBA, at which point they have to try to anticipate all the ways it can be done yet again.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
6 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

That’s why caps are based on revenues and not profits, further that the specific revenue sources are enumerated up front and accounted for at the end of the year. but it would all be absolutely league-related things: TV contracts,ticket sales, merchandising, etc… Secondary businesses run by the owners (the LLC that owns the land around Wrigley) probably wouldn’t weigh in at all.

MikeSMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

Ben didn’t get into it, but there are ways to disguise revenue as well. Just as a very simple example, the Ricketts are starting the Marqee Network as their own RSN for the Cubs. Marquee can pay the Cubs a pittance, in which case the RSN keeps all the revenue from carriage fees (eventually, when someone carries them) and advertising. The Cubs have no revenue, but the Ricketts have lots through Marquee!

It gets even more complicated 8 miles south where the White Sox own 25% of their RSN, NBCSN-C. The Blackhawks, Bulls, and Comcast each own 25%, but Comcast is the dominant cable company and roughly the same people who own the White Sox own the Bulls. So to a degree you can work those contracts however it comes out best for each team.

I’m sure the same can be done with revenues from concessions, parking lots, merchandise, surrounding real estate that rents out to bars and hotels that the team owners may have a stake in, et cetera.

There are just too many ways to move money around. It’s like the old saying about how a decent Hollywood accountant can make the most successful movie look like it took a loss. Ed Solomon, the writer of Men in Black, famously said that as the fourth one was being released he got his financial statement from the original which showed the movie still hadn’t made a profit which proved that Hollywood really was just in it for the art. Looking at gross (revenues) instead of net (profits) helps, but even that isn’t foolproof.

Shalesh
6 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

This isn’t difficult for MLBPA to normalize. Just look at the year before the team bought its own RSN/parking/concessions and use those revenues plus inflation or other revenue growth rate. That’s what MLBPA did for the 2016 CBA. Maybe it’s difficult for Fangraphs commenters, so they resort to conspiracy theories?

MikeSMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Shalesh

It’s not a conspiracy theory that the players are getting less money. According to ESPN, Payrolls doubled from 2002 – 2018 ($2.1B to $4.2B). According to MLB itself, revenues almost tripled during that time ($3.7B to $9.9B).

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25715085/mlb-payrolls-dropped-18-million-2018-first-decrease-2010

https://www.statista.com/statistics/193466/total-league-revenue-of-the-mlb-since-2005/#:~:text=In%202019%2C%20the%20combined%20revenue,at%20345.8%20million%20U.S.%20dollars.

Shalesh
6 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

By all means, make any argument you want using public data. Here it appears MLBPA agreed that their share of revenue going from 57% to a lower number was reasonable since they signed several CBA’s to that effect since 2002. They gave Owners credit for dramatically growing revenues through MLBAM and Stadium Improvements and allowed Owners to capture a greater share of these incremental revenues. They probably didn’t expect it to drop to 42% and they’ll fix that in the 2021 CBA.

Constantly alleging “hidden revenues” without proof sounds like a conspiracy theory and now doesn’t appear necessary for your argument since you’re now using public numbers. Keep doing that. It will quell your anger.

The GuruMember since 2026
6 years ago
Reply to  Shalesh

wow….owners credit for the growing revenues? Without the players they own nothing but a logo, hence the reason for a union and a 50/50 split. Tv revenue is to watch the players not the owners. Actually the owners need the players more than the players need them in this instance.

I’ve long been an advocate that the players should start their own league and an mlbpa channel….. cutting the owners out and keeping all the revenue but that’s another story.

Also the MLBAM deal will go down as the worst deal in history of any sport. Literally crushed the future of MLB. Soccer will pass it in the USA in my lifetime solely due to the MLBAM deal. But hey the owners made a few million each and commisioner got a piece so who cares right? That deal shouldve never happened and the commish shouldve stopped it for the best interest of MLB but greed got in the way. Weak leadership.

The hidden revenues is not some conspiracy theory. Its creative accounting and goes on in every single business including MLB. Its not illegal, but when it comes to a union and a 50/50 split of the revenue you can understand the need for transparency.

Owners need to open up their books during this CBA or they will again hurt the mlb brand as they are doing right now and have for the last several years. Owners don’t want to show the books because they don’t want a piece of their cash cow being taken away from them.

Zero leadership from the commissioners office. Kind of sad.

The Duke
6 years ago
Reply to  The Guru

“Creative accounting goes on in every business”. If we talk about public companies very little creative accounting goes on. They are audited endlessly. There are certainly a few that have run afoul. But 99.9% conform to the rules of Gaap. If by creative, you mean that a cfo can increase or decrease reserves to help smooth earnings, it can happen but it’s immaterial to the overall picture of the company and perfectly legal and acceptable within bounds.

Finally, the very hardest thing to fudge is “revenue”. It’s very difficult and auditors are all over revenue recognition issues.

This fixation in opening the books is humorous to me. Its a position that basically means the MLBPA leadership has failed its members. Marvin Miller would not need to have the owners “open their books” to cut a fair deal.

The GuruMember since 2026
6 years ago
Reply to  The Duke

good points duke…..should def be tied to revenue. an one could even argue that the revenue reported is even lower than true revenue due to all the ancillary companies including the ones surrounding the stadium that the owners own making bank off of the players. those nubmers are not included in the 10$B mlb rev numbers.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
6 years ago
Reply to  Shalesh

@shalesh How’s the weather in Naivestan?

Shalesh
6 years ago
Reply to  Shalesh

Addendum: Payroll at ~57% in 2002 of revenue meant League Operating Income was 0% (slightly negative actually). At ~50%, Operating Income grew to ~5% in 2004. Payroll at ~47% in 2005 (2002 CBA must have been interesting) drove OpIncome to ~9% and it stayed around there until MLBAM drove new revenues in 2016 and Teams started realizing how bad investing in 30yo 2.5-win FA’s was. In 2018, it was 13.4%, a far cry from the 27.7% Ben Clemens is using for his nonsensical example here.

While there’s still an occasional Mike Ilitch or Ron Fowler overriding his GM to sign an Eric Hosmer (Boras is legendary for negotiating with the Owner directly), MLB has professionalized greatly over even the last 20 years. If you invest $1B or more, maybe you don’t beat the S&P500 (or maybe you do), but this can’t be a hobby. Thus, we’ve seen this in having PrivateEquity ex-pats enter Front Offices, WAR and projection systems (like Zips and Steamer) guide most decisions, smart teams know every 14yo in the Dominican Republic, Trackman & AI is obviating scouting.

Businesses have to make money. Not sure why this is so controversial except that Fangraphs readers and writers don’t understand the economics of owning a baseball team. I’m not an expert either, but I do try to base my analyses on public data.

paul ehrlich
6 years ago
Reply to  Shalesh

@ Shalesh
you mention that owners have been convinced that it doesn’t make sense to spend so freely on veterans at, or beyond their peak production years, while conveniently neglecting the fact that owners get years of production from players for far beneath what their market value would early in the players’ careers. So you like only the parts of the old economic structure that benefit you?

“Businesses have to make money”. Oh, ok. Businesses, or so-called civic assets that require massive taxpayer support when it comes to stadium finance (under the threat of relocation)? The lack of transparency speaks volumes and most people outside the 1% get it.

Shalesh
6 years ago
Reply to  paul ehrlich

@paul: I and others have suggested how to solve this by making arbitration more generous and start after year 2 rather than year 3 for young stars.

You’re probably new here, since we’ve discussed this before too. If cities don’t want to issue bonds to build stadiums and lease them back to sports teams, they shouldn’t. Turns out, they do! Cities think sports teams are an important amenity. I haven’t checked out lease deals to see how close cities come to breaking even. Cities build museums, parks, all kinds of public goods, even do dumb things like host the Olympics or FIFA.

Maybe attaching condominiums to stadiums is the way to incentivize ownership groups to finance them. Otherwise, why would you as an owner want to pour money into an unsellable asset that depreciates. The city regulates the zoning, often even regulates construction wage rates. Might as well pay for it. NYC just spent $4B for a new subway station and 1 mile of track. (That would cost $1.5B in Paris which is not exactly a cheap labor haven.) Tell your mayor you don’t want any amenities or any infrastructure or any large businesses creating jobs in your city! That should do it.

martyvan90Member since 2026
6 years ago
Reply to  Shalesh

@ Happy Fun Ball & Shalesh. Thanks for taking the time to go through top line revenues, the opaque nature of the “books”, the RSN complication, and public financing of stadiums (IMO always a bad, anti capitalism, and unnecessary thing…). The best thread I’ve read anywhere! The only thing I’d reiterate is the “books” are 31 complicated sets of books on 31 COMPETITIVE businesses.
IMO both sides were imprudent to publically add profitability to the post March discussion. There was no way this riff would be solved in a short time and in public. They both damaged their golden goose (fans) and will both feel it going forward. It becomes evident in a pandemic that some form of revenue sharing, hard cap and floor are the only way to avoid the present challenge. Without it they will never be business partners. Look at how the NBA and NFL proactively work together to problem solve versus the MLB mess…
The challenges are: fairly valuing RSN revenue, owners aligning on revenue sharing, MLBPA coming off a no cap stance, and agents (whose value declines with a more fixed and capped scale) going along. MLB only getting 16% of revenue from National TV contracts versus over 50% for the NBA and NFL makes baseball very different.

The Duke
6 years ago
Reply to  martyvan90

A lot has changed since the Steinbrenner’s of the world were buying and selling teams. There are lucrative new revenue streams and the teams have gotten great at controlling costs and minimizing bad long term contracts. The run up in valuations is not some long term trend. Owners who bought before the streaming revolution have gained a mint but I doubt that trend continues. The new guys buying in for a couple of billion and all debt financed will need to work hard to recoup. The players allowed their percentage of revenue to drop materially and now a war will ensue to right that ship.

They need a better leader to get them there. The current one has poisoned the relationship

I had a bank rep me once that the worst situation is to be lending money to poor negotiators. Once they realize they’ve been had, all future deals are needlessly painful

The Duke
6 years ago
Reply to  Shalesh

Amen

paul ehrlich
6 years ago
Reply to  Shalesh

@ Shalesh: Again, you make it sounds like a baseball team is just a commodity subject to supply and demand, which is often false. In my (limited) experience, stadium deals get done in backroom meetings that involve business groups, city councils, and government agencies. Unless voted on by all taxpayers in a county-wide referendum, it’s more about having good lobbyists.

But I will fully concede that yes, hosting the Olympics is not a positive thing for most residents of a typical city in the US.

The Duke
6 years ago
Reply to  Shalesh

All your comments are directionally correct

The GuruMember since 2026
6 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

Already is a cap in MLB. Its a soft cap but its still a form of cap. Need to have a salary floor now to offset it, as more and more teams are trying to field the cheapest teams possible so they can pocket the rest.

Its destroying the brand and attendance. MLB revenues have skyrocketed last several years but players pay has stayed flat. That needs to change if MLB wants to stay healthy.

paul ehrlich
6 years ago

Craig was very careful not to name names, but I’ll throw this out there. According to Ozanian’s article in Forbes, between 2009 and 2109 Ricketts’ Cubs increased in value from $700m to $3.2 billion.

But yeah guys. Whatever you say. We can only hope the burden of doing the Lord’s work keeping these teams afloat for all us lucky fans doesn’t sink you. Maybe it’s time you act a little more selfishly when it comes to making a profit for yourselves.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  paul ehrlich

The Cubs’ debt is also the second highest in MLB and unlike the Rangers (who just built a new stadium) and the Dodgers (who had a ton of debt from buying the team and running enormous payrolls–the former of which is a bit suspect reasoning anyway) there’s no obvious reason for it.
Other teams with seemingly high debt are the Astros (stadium? recent sale?), Braves (stadium?), Twins (stadium?), Nationals (stadium? wasn’t that a long time ago?), Royals (recent sale?), Tampa Bay (could be anything), Mariners (????), D-Backs (????), Cardinals (????), and Mets (????).
Oh, and the Marlins are heavily, heavily in debt, but that’s because everything about the Marlins has been dysfunctional, including their prior sale.

It’s an interesting list because if you look at the teams who have been most vocal in the media about this, it’s the Cubs, D-Backs, Cardinals, and Mets–all teams that have weird debt that is extremely difficult to explain. (the Mariners are keeping their mouth shut, probably because they stand to make notable money per game in the regular season).

paul ehrlich
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Right. And each time a team is sold, the owners have to approve the sale. Are we supposed to believe they just continually cannot manage to choose other willing businessmen with initial capital and enough business acumen to keep a franchise (often middle or large market) out of the red? So many mysteries.

paul ehrlich
6 years ago
Reply to  paul ehrlich

Sorry. Meant to say Ben, not Craig.

RoyalsFan#14321Member since 2024
6 years ago

I really do love this article, and generally appreciate the hypothetical, but how about an in-depth look at the Braves, being public? It’s just one team…

Shalesh
6 years ago

Yes, using the Braves would be illustrative. Ben’s assuming $50M Net Income on $180M revenues each year or 27.7% profit. 2018 League-Wide total Operating Income (I don’t have Net Income, which I assume will be lower since it subtracts interest and depreciation) was $1.29B on $9.62B in revenues or “only” 13.4% profit (the highest profit margin according in Statista’s sample beginning in 2001, probably as the result of the creation of MLBAM). So, using a stylized example, Ben would have to cut Net Income in half (by increasing operating expenses) and that cuts the increase in Net Asset Value in half as well over the 10 year period. $375M is still a hefty gain, but 37.5% increase in asset value over 10 years is only about 3.5%/year, or about the return on real estate over long periods. The bigger drivers of MLB team resale values are near-zero interest rate policy by the Fed which makes all future cash flows more valuable and the exploding demand for live TV content. Ted Turner’s vision of putting every Braves game on TBS and then syndicating TBS around the South and eventually the whole country exploded Team Values and that’s still working today.

I’m not sure Stadium Improvements is the best example here. To the extent these improvements increase revenues, these revenues are shared with MLBPA since they are in-game. If the team is putting profits into condominium’s attached to the stadium, that likely means they paid for the stadium, which seems to be what most readers here want. (Renting from the city isn’t good enough apparently.) How many teams are doing this? Cubs, Braves, Cardinals (I guess since Ben mentioned them). Who else?

MLBPA may have a legitimate gripe in that owners have been clever in raising revenue through MLBAM and Stadium Improvements since the 2016 CBA but then simultaneously stopped giving 4/$64M deals to 2.5 fwar FA’s. This caused payroll’s to decrease as a % of revenue. We’ve already discussed that the way to solve this is by accelerating arb eligibility for star youngsters to possibly after 2 years instead of 3 and accelerating the arb payment schedule.

Even if everything Ben says here was correct, why does MLB have the most rancor with its players union? The other leagues have relative peace with their unions whom they pay on a salary cap at % of total revenue basis. Owners in other leagues can do all the same things. Are they not doing these things in those sports?

The GuruMember since 2026
6 years ago
Reply to  Shalesh

Its well known the other leagues are not as sophisticated as mlb….in anything really including analytics. Those Players unions in other leagues exist on paper but really they don’t exist at all as they are extremely weak unions. Thats changing rapidly on all fronts as they are catching up following MLBs lead.

Also MLB revenues have skyrocketed the last several years and as we all know the players pay has stayed flat. Large reason is their is a soft cap but there is no floor….and more and more owners are running wild trying to field cheapest teams possible and not pay the 2.5 fwar players but instead giver their jobs to mlb minimum labor rookies and to save face they say they are rebuilding. Huge problem when more than half of MLB teams are “rebuilding”. Some teams have been “rebuilding” for decades.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Shalesh

Baseball hasn’t had a lockout or a strike for over 20 years, something no other sports league can say. I would say baseball has especially good labor relations, comparatively.

WARrior
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The NFL has had only one player strike since 1987, and that didn’t affect the regular season. Neither, for that matter, did the two referee lockouts, in that all games were played.

JimMember since 2016
6 years ago

Great idea. Great execution, Ben.

calbear77
6 years ago

The owners are scam artists. The players should take a VERY hard line for the next CBA and make sure they get their share of that side of the asset growth.

shampain
6 years ago
Reply to  calbear77

Yeah, because that strategy worked so well this time they should definitely try it again.

BillClinton
6 years ago

Your team looks like the 2016ish Pittsburgh Pirates to me.

Josh
6 years ago

Ricketts and his fellow owners think everyone is too stupid to see that billionaires are making money from owning sports teams. That is completely baffling, yet here they are, swearing they don’t make any money, while also quite literally being billionaires. Anybody who falls for that needs to have their head examined. We don’t even need to dig into the claim to call it insane.

But by all means, someone needs to invite Ricketts and any other owner(s) to sell their teams. Since they’re such awful investments and all.

OddBall Herrera
6 years ago

This analysis beats the pants off the usual “Drrr, owners rich me no like rich” argument.

The only thing I would say is – what then? If true, and it certainly is plausible, it exposes the disingenuousness of claiming short term losses are the end of the world while having lined your pockets for years. But this doesn’t create cash to spend today, so we’re back to the argument that owners should spend money just because we want them to, not because it’s a good business decision.

martyvan90Member since 2026
6 years ago
Reply to  Ben Clemens

Thanks for doing this. I feel you educated people on what “opening the books” would look like as opposed to the equivalent of a political slogan. Do you see any way to avoid accounting for a revenue downturn without revenue sharing, salary cap and floor? This mess has changed my opinion, even with the regional revenue nature of baseball I don’t see another way. Tough problem.

redshift
6 years ago

this was a great read; entertaining and focused on the important stuff. thanks ben