In Defense of the Hall of Very Good

Eric Hartline-USA TODAY Sports

Like most of you, I’ve spent all winter with one eye on the Hall of Fame ballot tracker run by Ryan Thibodaux, Anthony Calamis, and Adam Dore.

As an aside: I love the tracker, partly because it’s in the best traditions of citizen journalism/archivism, and has been made essential within its niche by the enthusiasm and thoroughness of the people who run it. It reminds me of The Himalayan Database, which is considered the definitive list of all the climbers who have summited the highest mountains in the world. The Database was founded and run not by a sponsor or NGO, but by a single journalist, Elizabeth Hawley, who tracked, verified, and published ascents from the 1960s until her death in 2018. In this age of corporatization, conglomeration, and misinformation, it’s invigorating to see a single trusted list of Things That Happened published online somewhere by people who care about the historical record.

Anyway, last week, I noticed a fresh shipment of ballots from voters representing the Philadelphia BBWAA chapter, which included a swell of support for Jimmy Rollins’ candidacy. By Sunday, as I was looking over Inquirer columnist Marcus Hayes’ ballot, I found myself experiencing an unexpected combination of emotions.

For those of you who don’t know, Jimmy Rollins is my favorite baseball player of all time. He was one of the best players on my favorite team during a period I’d describe as “formative” if the better word for it weren’t “long.” I was 13 when Rollins made his major league debut, and by the time the Phillies traded him away, I was 27 years old and working as a professional baseball writer.

In the intervening 14 years, Rollins made three All-Star teams, won four Gold Gloves, and was named NL MVP in 2007. He was a leadership figure on a team that dominated the National League East from 2007 to 2011, winning a World Series in 2008, another NL pennant in 2009, and posting the best record in baseball in both 2010 and 2011. In the spring of 2007, he declared the Phillies — a team that hadn’t made the playoffs in 14 years — “the team to beat” in the NL East. In my highly biased eyes, that should go up there among the all-time great called shots in American sports history, and it set the tone for the next five years.

Rollins was great when I was doing what most people do in their teens and early 20s: figuring out who I was as a person. I latched onto him immediately as a callow, sheltered, and practically innumerate middle schooler, and remained his biggest fan through the end of his tenure, by which point almost everything else about me — and the outside world — had changed.

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What I loved about Rollins was his dynamism. He played exceptional defense and stole bucketloads of bases at a historically efficient clip. At 5-foot-7, he had a monster throwing arm from the hole. Despite his size, he retired with 857 career extra-base hits, and while his bat produced more punch than power, he was a rare pure switch-hitter. Especially now, small middle infielders who switch hit often have a limited, punch-and-Judy swing from their weaker side. Not Rollins, who produced almost identical slash lines from each side of the plate.

He was athletic, aggressive, unafraid of conflict or controversy — a nearly ideal position player from an aesthetic perspective. I don’t think there will ever be a player who means as much to me personally as Rollins. At the ballpark, I try to comport myself with a quiet, unobtrusive sense of professionalism, but the most egregious breach of etiquette I’ve ever seriously considered was when I came across Rollins in the Giants’ clubhouse late in his career, and I had to stop myself from walking up to him and asking for a hug.

As I write, Rollins is in his fourth year on the BBWAA Hall of Fame ballot, and he’s trending upward, having gained 11 votes from last year. It brings me great satisfaction to see 42 voters (and counting) extend the ultimate honor to my favorite player.

I’ll get a Hall of Fame ballot a few years from now, and I can already tell which are going to be the toughest questions. Félix Hernández is the tip of the spear in what I expect to be a near-total revamping of established statistical standards for starting pitchers. Then there’s the character clause, ignored by voters for almost a century, then dusted off to wield against suspected PED users. How, then, to weight players’ on-field achievements against off-field transgressions? I don’t know yet.

I don’t anticipate spending much time agonizing over Rollins. As it stands, I won’t be voting for him.

Every voter has a unique outlook on the Hall of Fame — its role, its standards, the relative importance of numbers and celebrity and “you had to be there”-type intangibles. For me, it’s a club whose membership ought to be determined on merit. While the statistical record isn’t the only consideration, the numbers, within context, tell most of the story for me.

And Rollins just isn’t there. I tend to use 60 career WAR as the first guideline for whether a player had a Hall of Fame career; Rollins is at 49.7. His career wRC+ is 95. His peak WAR and JAWS are both short of average, for a Hall of Fame shortstop, by double digits.

Hall of Fame writer Jayson Stark wrote about Rollins and his longtime double play partner, Chase Utley, as a package deal in his ballot explainer column at The Athletic. Stark voted for both, calling them a modern-day Lou Whitaker and Alan Trammell.

[Rollins] was The Energizer on those teams — but also a force for positivity with a whole different aura from his double-play partner… What Rollins doesn’t have is a collection of data points that connect with today’s voters. His total wins above replacement (47.6) are fewer than Utley rolled up just in his seven-year peak (49.3). So it’s hard to explain to voters who didn’t watch them that Rollins’ defensive impact, in particular, was so much greater than the public metrics of his time would lead you to believe.

I agree with all of that. Rollins was special. There was something intangibly great about him. The list of players who did more for the Phillies than Rollins is vanishingly short — and most of those guys are in the Hall of Fame. But the statistical gap is too great for me to feel comfortable fudging the difference on gut feeling.

Which is fine with me. Because while I consider the Hall of Fame to be the ultimate validator of general greatness, it’s borderline irrelevant when it comes to personal or even regional significance. And we don’t have to treat it as such, or to act like it’s a slap in the face if your favorite player, or a franchise legend, gets left out.

Thanks to the aforementioned ballot tracker, the BBWAA is set to induct a large class: Ichiro Suzuki and CC Sabathia definitely, Billy Wagner probably, and Carlos Beltrán possibly. Either three or four would be a bumper crop for the writers. And yet this ballot features an even larger group of players I’d describe as Hall of Very Good who are just as revered in their home markets as Rollins, if not more so.

In addition to Rollins and King Félix, there’s David Wright, Torii Hunter, Mark Buehrle, Adam Jones, Brian McCann, Dustin Pedroia, and the Colorado duo of Troy Tulowitzki and Carlos González. These are long-tenured players with closets full of individual hardware and hours-long highlight reels. In their time, their jerseys were on the backs of every kid in the local schools, and local talking heads talked about them with awe and reverence.

These players — who will never have to buy a meal in their home cities, but fall short of Hall of Fame standards — present a problem to which there is a specific solution: Teams should honor their legendary players more freely.

There are limits. When I mused about the Rollins Hall of Fame issue on Bluesky on Sunday, Jacob Pomrenke — a walking encyclopedia of baseball history knowledge — sent me pictures of the 71 plaques hanging on the Brewers’ Wall of Fame. The Phillies will certainly add Rollins to their Wall of Fame someday soon, but with 46 names up there, it’s not the most exclusive honor. There must be a middle ground Rollins occupies that’s under Mike Schmidt, but above Willie “Puddin’ Head” Jones.

For players like Rollins, or Wright, or Pedroia, it might be appropriate to name a stadium feature after a franchise legend, or, let’s keep things simple: Retire their number.

The Phillies are one of several teams that has no official policy for number retirement, but in practice only retires the numbers of players who are in the Hall of Fame. I said earlier that enshrinement in the Hall of Fame should be as objective as possible and based on universal values. Retiring a number should be the opposite: Subjective, and based mostly on the connection between player and team.

I know this is the case because the Phillies overrode that policy to honor Dick Allen in 2020. After Allen had been passed over repeatedly by the Hall of Fame, the Phillies said, “Enough is enough,” and put his no. 15 on the wall, even though he wouldn’t be inducted into Cooperstown for another five years.

The Dodgers, who have a similar policy on retiring numbers, did the same for Fernando Valenzuela in 2023. Valenzuela fell short of Hall of Fame standards, but how many players have meant more to the Dodgers, especially in a Los Angeles-specific context, and even more especially considering Valenzuela’s contributions as a broadcaster? After years of limbo in which no. 34 was kept out of circulation, the Dodgers finally cut the charade and retired it for real.

Most of our favorite ballplayers won’t make the Hall of Fame. That’s as it should be. Only a tiny fraction of players make a lasting impact on their club, and an even tinier fraction wind up with a plaque in Cooperstown. But the Hall of Fame isn’t the sole method for validating a local legend. Not when there’s so much space available on the outfield wall.





Michael is a writer at FanGraphs. Previously, he was a staff writer at The Ringer and D1Baseball, and his work has appeared at Grantland, Baseball Prospectus, The Atlantic, ESPN.com, and various ill-remembered Phillies blogs. Follow him on Twitter, if you must, @MichaelBaumann.

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tunglashrMember since 2016
1 year ago

As a kid my favorite player was Dale Murphy, and I feel the same way about him. He was great, but not HOF worthy. I dont know if I would say they are comparable per se, but I think they are both exemplars of the Hall of Very Good.

Jason BMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  tunglashr

My beloved Jays shine in this regard; there’s scarcely room on the float these days with Delgado, Stieb, Olerud, David Cone, Jose Bautista, and others, although it did my heart good to see McGriff hop off the float at the Cooperstown stop.

CheeseballMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  Jason B

Tony Fernandez was my Rollins. 43.5fWAR, but a transcendent player for Toronto.

Robbie314Member since 2018
1 year ago

All true.

I suspect that the exact same is true for Andrew McCutchen, who has played the same role in my son’s life. Not quite a HOFer, but no Pirate should ever wear 22 again.

But I will say: if we can use the character clause to knock points off for players who abused PEDs, or have been charged with domestic violence, or have issued death threats against writers, why can’t we also use it to give bonus points to players who are universally agreed to be great role models?

I know that there’s no Character+ statistic, but that doesn’t mean we should ignore it.

dl80Member since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Robbie314

I agree in theory, but the problem is when guys thought of as great character players turn out to be horrible ones (Puckett, Vizquel).

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Robbie314

McCutchen is definitely going to get (and deserve!) the Wright/Pedey treatment…and I’ll bet he has enough friends around the league to get in via committee.

Runaway ToasterMember since 2016🏆 MVP
1 year ago
Reply to  Robbie314

If my kids turn out to be the *person* that Curtis Granderson is and has been, I’ll be ecstatic. 95th+ Percentile outcomes for “life ZiPS”.

He’s my vote for HOF/HOVG if we are giving out Character+ points.

SpaceMember since 2024
1 year ago

Jimmy Rollins, Oakland native, is the foremost graduate of the School of Rickey and though I agree with Michael that his stats fall just a bit too far short for serious consideration, I would certainly never have a problem with his getting HOF-inducted. Love the idea about teams loosening up their number retiring to honor the Very Good.

upwithscootsMember since 2020
1 year ago

Celebrating past players has been one of the things that the White Sox have done well. Outside fans think we’re a bit obsessed with our less than glamourous history, but there’s been some super fun fan favorites on a lot of teams that didn’t make much of a blip on the national stage. I was at the game where Buehrle’s number was retired and it was fun to see a packed house celebrate one of the best and most consistent pitchers to put on a Sox uniform.

KyleMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  upwithscoots

I was going to mention Buehrle as well. I feel about him similarly to Baumann with Rollins. He was on the Sox through me ages 16-27. Not always great, never terrible, never injured (weirdly). A world series, the perfect game, the no-no, and a bunch of stories. In my head he’s still throwing those cutters, slidin’ on the tarp in the rain…

Should Mark be in the hall? I don’t know, maybe not. But I don’t care either. #56 certainly belongs up on the South Side.

steex
1 year ago
Reply to  Kyle

If anything, players like Buehrle and Konerko underscore that the White Sox should really establish a team HOF that could commemorate plenty of players with notable team contributions that don’t rise to the level of being in Cooperstown or maybe even having a number retired.

Last edited 1 year ago by steex
SportszillaMember since 2017
1 year ago

Absolutely, and I think it’s high time that teams (the ones you mentioned, and others) change their standards regarding retired jersey numbers, because players can and often do mean so much more to their fanbases, particularly when they spend most/all of their career with one team, than they do when stacked up against everyone else who has ever played the sport. I haven’t given up hope on King Felix getting into the Hall (I’m actually reasonably encouraged by his current results), but it would be an absolute travesty if the Mariners don’t retire his number at some point – he meant (and gave) as much to the franchise and the fans as anyone in the team’s history.

motown odenMember since 2024
1 year ago

Tigers also eschewed standard practice when they retired Lou’s #1, as HOF inexplicably keeps him waiting.

Jim HMember since 2016🏆 MVP
1 year ago
Reply to  motown oden

With the exclusion of Lou, I found I lost all interest in the HOF and the opinions of mainstream baseball writers.

My favorite player who also isn’t a HOFer is fellow Tiger Chet Lemon and his 52 WAR.

HOF tired, HOVG wired.

South DetroitMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim H

Whitaker out, Baines in…just a couple of examples why I agree teams need to celebrate their greats and keep their history alive. The Hall gets it wrong too often. With that said, I think the Tigers do a pretty good job. They retire numbers not in the hall and they heavily celebrate the greats and team history in their stadium concourse.

JPinPhilly
1 year ago

My problem isn’t that guys like Rollins won’t get in (not entirely, anyway). My problem is the number of voters who think that guys like Rollins shouldn’t be in but are voting for the Brian McCanns and Russell Martins of the world.

Can’t have it both ways.

jillingsMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  JPinPhilly

The data on the hall of fame tracker suggests the opposite

PhilMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  JPinPhilly

I don’t see it as having it both ways.

Catching is such a physically hard position that I think the WAR bar for HoF discussion does need to be lower than for other position players. Buster Posey was one of the best players in baseball when he was on the field for most of his career – very good hitter, great defence, terrific player. I’d vote for him in the HoF in an instant – and he had less than 60 fWAR. He put up less than 45bWAR (as they don’t include framing).

Catchers influence the game far more than other position players – as they are involved so much more. If you buy into framing being important (even as making sure strikes are called as strikes), then they have an impact on a huge number of pitchers, every game they play.

Rollins had 49.7 fWAR/ 47.6 bWAR in 2275 games played.
Martin had 54.5 fWAR/ 38.8 bWAR in 1693 games played.
McCann had 52.1 fWAR/ 32.0 bWAR in 1755 games played.

I do think it really matters which version of WAR you prefer. Rollins is a HoVG SS when compared to his fellow shortstop peers, by either flavour of WAR. Martin and McCann don’t look out of place among HoF catchers if you use fWAR – they fall short if you use bWAR. Obviously, we only measured framing recently (and Martin and McCann may have benefitted from other catchers of their era not realising the value of it, while catchers know now that this is an important part of their job), and so previous HoF catchers may have had higher career WARs if their framing had been measured (or lower).

One other thing, by wRC+, McCann and Martin were above average hitters – Rollins was below average. So I think that is another point in their favour. (After saying all of this, if I had a HoF vote, I’m not sure I’d vote for either McCann or Martin)

jb1205Member since 2022
1 year ago
Reply to  Phil

I never realized how mediocre Rollins’ hitting was until I read your comment- it’s shockingly low for a guy with a career fWAR/bWAR close to 50!

Ostensibly RidiculousMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  jb1205

Check out his hitting with RISP.
Hint: Not Mediocre.

(weirdly, he actually kind of sucked as a leadoff hitter)

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago

Holy shit!

+5 wRAA+wSB

+103 RE24!

THAT’S what the Rollins diehards should be keying in on!

Basically takes him to 60 fWAR!

hahigginsMember since 2018
1 year ago

Tim Hudson fan here. Yep. Also 49 fWAR! Although that leads me to my inevitable Hall of Fame pitch for Tim, which is that his career RA-9 WAR is 64.9 — 36th post-WWII… and almost everyone ahead of him is in the Hall…

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  hahiggins

And his rWAR is 58 – smokes Felix in JAWS (plus 50 more wins *and* fewer losses).

The man got jobbed.

cubsker
1 year ago

There’s something to be said for guys who are just fun to watch and are around for awhile. As a Cubs fan, I know Alfonso Soriano, Aramis Ramirez, Javy Baez, and hell, even Shawon Dunston, aren’t HoF caliber players, but they were fun as hell to watch.

hahigginsMember since 2018
1 year ago
Reply to  cubsker

Aramis was so solid

grandbranyanMember since 2017
1 year ago

Rollins is 10th is WAR among SS post-integration on the FG leaderboards just ahead of HOFers Luis Aparicio in 11th and Pee Wee Reese in 12th.

Lindor at 9th is the only surefire HOF SS in the next decade. Guys like Turner, Xander, Correa, and Seager are still a good eight to twelve WAR short of Jimmy.

I think Rollins looks better than Vizquel on the numbers (not to mention lapping him on character) so his support should easily surpass what Omar got in a world paying any attention.

Is that enough for HOF? I think his case is better than most realize and I’d have no problem with him getting the call eventually.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago

I’m glad Bernie’s number is retired.

I definitely think that’s something the Yankees do a good job with: 14 non-HoF players are in Monument Park, 10 of whom have their number retired.

Which is a good distinction – Tino Martinez is beloved for good reason, but he doesn’t need the same distinction as Mattingly.

Last edited 1 year ago by Cool Lester Smooth
mercyMember since 2017
1 year ago

Bernie Williams was my favorite player from the Yankees dynasty and he doesn’t get talked about enough.

“Core Five”

NATS FanMember since 2018
1 year ago
Reply to  mercy

Williams was a great hitter for a while.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

47 fWAR and 50 rWAR through age-34…and his .390 wOBA was only good for a 135 wRC+.

The fact that he completely tanked in his mid-30s, before 2006, puts him high on my list of folks whose league-adjustment numbers took an unfair hit from PEDs.

LdboyleMember since 2018
1 year ago

One of my favorite things about this article is that essentially every baseball fan has at least one of these guys. Some will make the HOF, while others won’t. I expect that mine (Joey Votto) will, but whether or not it’s the case for any of these guys, the impressions they leave on adolescent/young-adult fans who are simultaneously finding themselves and their love of the game are indelible. Even found myself on the fringes of getting misty-eyed while reading. These guys should be commemorated to the fullest extent locally, regardless of where their resume shakes out on the national scale.

AlbyMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  Ldboyle

I’m so old that Dick Allen was a rookie my first year of fandom, and I stuck with him through all his tribulations. And truth be told, he’s a borderliner, and that’s possibly one of the reasons I’m a large-Hall fan.

KyleMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  Ldboyle

Right on. I’m actually just enjoying scrolling this thread to see who people’s “guy” is.

frugalscottMember since 2025
1 year ago

The annual HoF discussions are always quite interesting. There is always a player who we kind of know doesn’t belong, but then someone will bring up that he’s as good as Player X, who is in the Hall (but likely also doesn’t belong) and things go sideways. It all leads to a Hall that delights the ‘big hall’ folks and frustrates those ‘small hallers’.

I am unapologetically a small hall believer, but i also have been of the opinion, like Mr. Baumann, that our childhood (or even adulthood) heroes should have a place somewhere. I’ve contended that that place is in our own personal halls and every January I raise a glass to my childhood hero, Johnny Callison.

I’m not sure that retiring numbers is the answer. There are way too many players in each franchise worth celebrating, for one reason or another. Avoiding the need for triple digit numbers for young players seems like a worthy goal. We don’t have to go any further than the Phillies to see the solution here. Their Wall of Fame is a perfect tribute to all of the players who were franchise favorites through the years (yes, Mr. Callison is in there).

I’m sure other teams do something similar, but in the newer stadiums of today it is certainly possible to find a place to recognize those players who have made the local team what it is today and to honor those players appropriately. Whether it is a Wall of Fame or a Monument Park or some other approach, the Jimmy Rollins’ and King Felixes of the baseball world can have their due even when they are not Cooperstown worthy.

AlbyMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  frugalscott

From my large-Hall perspective, it’s a museum. I don’t know of many museums that say, “We have works by too many artists in here.”

frugalscottMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  Alby

Clever, but i think you misunderstand/misrepresent Cooperstown here. I agree with you that the definitive baseball museum should acknowledge as many of the ‘artists’ as possible who impacted the game in some meaningful way. Cooperstown does exactly that. Pete Rose, Barry Bonds, Lou Whitaker and many more are acknowledged there. Eddie Gaedel is acknowledged there. Oscar Gamble’s hair is acknowledged there.

This particular museum goes a step further, though. They have created a special wing to celebrate the best of the best…the Plaque Gallery.

I agree with you that as many artists as possible should be ‘in the Hall’ and they are. I don’t agree that so many should be ‘on the Wall’.

olethrosMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  frugalscott

My problem with the “small hall” philosophy is that it’s ahistorical. There’s a now-well out of date article on here examining percentage of inductees grouped by birth decade, and the gist is that ~2% of all players born prior to about 1960 (or ~25% of those who meet the 10 year requirement) eventually were inducted. For players born after 1960, that number is cut in half. Or at least it was at the time the article was written. While I have no doubt that the past decade of voting has somewhat corrected that, I’m equally certain that those post-1960 players are still wildly underrepresented compared to their predecessors.

Take a guy like Jim Edmonds – had he retired in say, 1979 with his numbers, he’d probably have been elected by the writers somewhere around year 7. Instead he went one and done on a ballot that featured a whopping 13 eventual inductees plus another half-dozen who would have sailed in if not for off-field transgressions (steroids/Schilling).

hopbittersMember since 2020
1 year ago

I’d like to see a Hall of Guys Who Did Pretty OK Despite Being Shaped Like Me.

KyleMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  hopbitters

LOL. So… hate to ask but what’s that mean? Bartolo Colon? Matt Stairs? Eddie Gaedel?

hopbittersMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Kyle

I think Bartolo would be the man in the logo for my Hall. Rich Garces. Luis Sojo. But, hey, it doesn’t have to be my shape. You can take your pick. Not too many of us look like those guys in that other hall.

KyleMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  hopbitters

El Guapo!

captainjameshookMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  hopbitters

Panda!

NATS FanMember since 2018
1 year ago
Reply to  Kyle

David Wells

NumptyMember since 2020
1 year ago

Great article. This is only marginally related, but when it comes to bands I love. I often find that my favorite album is different from the one I think is the best album. And it’s because when judging ‘best’ I take an objective viewpoint, but when something’s my favorite, it might be my favorite for any number of reasons, including simply how it makes me feel or because some set of memories is associated with it.

therealryan1Member since 2017
1 year ago

We are nearly the same age and I grew up in the Philly region as well. This hits home, even if I was a bigger fan of the other guy in the middle of that infield. I feel the sentiment and emotion behind this can be said for how I feel about Chase Utley.

NATS FanMember since 2018
1 year ago
Reply to  therealryan1

Utley should make it.

LouisMember since 2024
1 year ago

A little surprised by this. I am not from Philly and did not watch those Philly teams closely. But looking at the numbers recently, and taking a somewhat deper dive, I’ve come to the view that Utley is a Hall of Famer. Fascinating to me that, watching them both, someone comes out for Rollins and not Utley.

MCC1701Member since 2019
1 year ago
Reply to  Louis

An NL MVP, 4 Gold Gloves, 500 more hits, and 300 more steals. Rollins is also top 10 in fWAR among SS over the last 60 years. While Utley was, by far, the better player, it’s much easier to make the case for Rollins if you are a voter that values accolades and counting stats.

JimMember since 2018
1 year ago

The Giants do a nice “Wall of Fame” at their ballpark, to honor the Very Good of their franchise.

jtsnowdayMember since 2022
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim

The Giants also recently broke the seal on their unofficial tradition of only retiring numbers of HoFers, for Barry Bonds and Will Clark. Bonds is a special case obviously, but Clark certainly fits the mold of a HoVG member (JAWS of 46) that meant something more to the fanbase.

It’ll be interesting to see what they do with the fan favorites of the more recent era. Certainly no one will wear 28 again, as Buster is a likely future Hall of Famer anyway (and he’ll certainly be available for an on-field ceremony lol). But what of Madison Bumgarner, Brandon Crawford, Brandon Belt, or Tim Lincecum? No one has worn their numbers since their departures, but none of them seem especially likely to get even a handful of HoF votes (indeed, Lincecum only got 9 and dropped off the ballot). They’ve already reissued Pablo Sandoval and Matt Cain’s numbers, so perhaps none of these players rise to the retired number level. In fact, Justin Verlander is apparently currently deliberating whether he should wear his typical 35, despite it being Crawford’s old number.

basically baseballMember since 2024
1 year ago

Rollins was definitely the most fun player to watch on the Phillies during his great career there. The all time Phillies hits leader should without doubt have his number retired and I suspect it will happen once he is off the ballot or possibly in the year Utley is retired after his election.

g4Member since 2020
1 year ago

The Brewers do have a Walk of Fame in addition to a Wall of Fame. The latter is rightfully the butt of jokes and a great example of the slippery slope created when standards for any accolade are inched downward. However, the Walk of Fame pretty squarely hits that middle ground between the Wall and Statue/Retired Number. On the Walk are Fielder, Braun, Sheets, Cooper, Adcock, Burdette, etc.

Geoff Jenkins is one of the bigger reaches though, sadly, he was the franchise’s best player over an abysmal 7-year stretch.

Anyhoo, I agree every team should find public means of commemorating their “local-only” legends.

NATS FanMember since 2018
1 year ago
Reply to  g4

Geoff was pretty good!

airforce21oneMember since 2026
1 year ago

Harold Baines is in the Hall.

NATS FanMember since 2018
1 year ago
Reply to  airforce21one

In and around Baltimore he is an extremely popular player to this day.

NATS FanMember since 2018
1 year ago

When Rollins played stolen bases were considered better by most fans than they are based on math. So he was definitely over rated a bit in his time. hall of very good is still darn good though!

ichiro262Member since 2024
1 year ago

I love walking through the Mariners’ Hall of Fame at least once a season. I think they’ve done a great job of celebrating the most special/beloved players without diluting the honor.

That said, I need the M’s to retire #34 for King Felix whether he makes the hall or not. Just being in the M’s Hall of Fame doesn’t feel like enough for such a legend.

Even if Cool Lester Smooth always seems to be hiding in a bush somewhere nearby to remind me that he’s worse than Roy Oswalt and Tim Hudson hahaha

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  ichiro262

Sneak attack!

Just want to say that Felix was every bit as good as Ron Guidry, who correctly has his number retired!

King Felix was a legend.

68FCMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  ichiro262

#34 and #51 need to be retired. I feel like the only reason #51 hasn’t been retired yet is just because they are trying to figure out how to balance Ichiro and Randy.

Ostensibly RidiculousMember since 2020
1 year ago

Anyone else look at JRoll’s production with RISP?

116 wRC+ with RISP.
Statistical fluke?
From 2002 to 2013 (11 consecutive years) he never had less than 106wRC+ with RISP.
And for 8 of those years he was over 120wRC+ with RISP.

Jimmy could absolutely RAKE.
There is good reason that fans felt good when he came up with runners on.

Also notice how his RE24 is substantially higher than his (generic context) Off runs above average.

In short, he was definitely better more valuable than his 50 WAR.

(and weirdly probably should not have been batting leadoff, especially for an NL team)

Last edited 1 year ago by Ostensibly Ridiculous
Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago

Should have scrolled down!

A lot of those Chollie Phillies outkicked their wRAA+wSB coverage in terms of actual run production over their careers – Utley gains 90 runs, Howard gains 80, Rauuuul adds 55, Polanco adds 45, even Werth and Victorino add ~15!