Into the Schneider-Verse

Davis Schneider
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You already know the deal with the Blue Jays, so much so that I barely have to mention it. The good players on their team? They’re major league legacies. As kids, they were in major league clubhouses. There are cute pictures of them, chubby-cheeked, watching their famous parents win various accolades. Their major league success was hardly preordained, but let’s just say it didn’t come out of nowhere.

That lazy narrative had already sprung a few leaks, even before this year. Matt Chapman and George Springer don’t quite fit the bill. Kevin Gausman and Jordan Romano don’t either. Cavan Biggio isn’t even a starter. But there’s perhaps no better counter-example than Davis Schneider, the Jays’ newest star. Schneider flew so far under the radar that the metaphor doesn’t work; he was almost subterranean. He was a 28th-round draft pick in 2017, a round that doesn’t exist anymore. He didn’t reach Double-A until the end of the 2022 season. Now he’s the best hitter on the Jays, and in at least a few contrived ways that I’ll endeavor to show you in this article, he might be the best hitter of all time.

I know what you’re thinking. “Really, Ben? The best hitter of all time? He’s not even the best hitter on his own team right now.” To that I say, sure, you might think that. But that’s based on your perception of the future. If we limit our analysis to merely what has happened on the field, no Blue Jays hitter even approaches Schneider’s magnificence.

Are you a fan of batting average? Schneider’s .370 mark puts the rest of the Jays to shame (minimum 90 PA). Heck, it puts everyone else in the entirety of major league baseball to shame. You like Luis Arraez? I’m sure you do. He’s hitting .349 for the year. That’s an admirable number, and miles behind Schneider. He’s the undisputed batting average king of the majors this year — minimum 90 plate appearances.

Ah, but batting average is a notoriously misleading statistic. We all know that these days. What about useful statistics, like OBP or slugging percentage or wOBA? Heck, what about xwOBA, a fancy new-age statistic that will surely tell no lies about who’s good and who isn’t. Even Dan Szymborski, the zany dean of baseball projections, gave it a (partial) stamp of approval.

Well, guess what? Schneider leads Major League Baseball in on-base percentage. He’s nearly 100 points ahead of runner-up and noted good baseball player Ronald Acuña Jr. He leads the majors in slugging percentage, a whopping 150 points ahead of fellow phenom Shohei Ohtani. He’s first by more than 100 points of wOBA, and by roughly 75 points of wRC+. His xwOBA? Well, okay, it’s a piddling seventh (dead heat with Mookie Betts), but even the all-time greats have weaknesses sometimes.

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It’s fairly settled that Schneider is having the best season of any Blue Jay this year. Even if you want to use longer-term counting statistics, he’s fifth among their hitters in WAR, and fifth is pretty good for someone who has yet to eclipse 100 plate appearances. I think we should set our goals higher. Is Schneider the best baseball player in the history of the sport? The answer is not as cut and dried as you might think.

Obviously, there are some very good baseball players. Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, Ted Williams — I’ve heard of all of those guys, and you likely have, too. We can even do better than that with recent greats like Barry Bonds and Mike Trout; they, too, are excellent players. If nothing else, Schneider has less name recognition than those titans, so I assume I’ll have to bowl you over with evidence of his superiority.

My first argument is merely this: none of those exalted heroes has put together a batting line as good as Schneider’s. Heck, none has matched him in a single slash line statistic. No one would dispute that each is an excellent hitter, but it’s inarguably true that none have a career batting line as impressive as our valiant protagonist. Ruth has the second-best slugging percentage of all time, behind only Josh Gibson, and yet he’s more than one hundred points behind Schneider in that venerable statistic.

Ah, I can imagine you countering already. What a foolish conjecture I’m making. Those greats had to keep up their lofty hitting numbers through thick and thin, across many years in the majors. Schneider has only had to do it for 23 games. Surely, their feat is far more impressive than his. To that, I can’t offer much of a counter. But I can say this: how else are we supposed to compare him to them? He hasn’t yet played many years in the majors.

Fine, then. I suppose we’ll have to compare players based on their first 23 games, minimum 90 plate appearances. The future is unknowable. Schneider could do anything at all tomorrow or the next day. The earth could unexpectedly crash into the sun, making all of this pointless. Perhaps baseball will be outlawed by a misguided politician in pursuit of a bump in the polls. Rob Manfred could change the rules tomorrow such that an out can only be recorded after the first fielder to touch the ball does the macarena. None of these outcomes is particularly likely, but the point is that it’s unfair to judge someone based on what has not yet happened.

Instead, let’s just look at players based on the start of their careers. After all, Schneider has played in 23 games, so we can compare him to the universe of players 23 games into their career and at least see how he’s doing compared to them. And how he’s doing is first. No one has a better OPS than Schneider through 23 games, according to Stathead. And the list of people who came closest is a mixture of guys I’ve never heard of and actual factual great hitters:

Best 23-Game Starts, Live Ball Era
Player Season Team BA OBP SLG OPS
Davis Schneider 2023 Blue Jays .370 .511 .808 1.319
Mandy Brooks 1925 Cubs .385 .410 .833 1.243
George Scott 1966 Red Sox .352 .420 .795 1.215
Alvin Davis 1984 Mariners .345 .450 .762 1.212
Albert Pujols 2001 Cardinals .379 .443 .759 1.202
Yasiel Puig 푸이그 2013 Dodgers .427 .457 .708 1.165
Sam Horn 1987 Red Sox .346 .418 .741 1.158
Yordan Alvarez 2019 Astros .344 .422 .733 1.155
Austin Kearns 2002 Reds .375 .505 .639 1.144
Willie McCovey 1959 Giants .378 .429 .700 1.129

What’s that? You don’t remember Mandy Brooks? That might be because he only played a year and change in the majors. If you exclude his first 23 games of pure hot lava, he hit .233/.287/.373 for his career. On the other hand, you probably have heard of Albert Pujols. After his initial explosion onto the scene, he hit .327/.420/.615 in the remainder of his first go-around with the Cardinals, an 11-year stretch wherein he accumulated 81.3 WAR.

What will happen next? Well, Depth Charts projects Schneider to be a slightly above-average hitter the rest of the way. He’s not exactly a scouting darling. Over at Baseball Prospectus, Patrick Dubuque dug into his start to see what their predictive hitting metrics think. If you listen to any of a menagerie of baseball experts, they’ll tell you to expect an average hitter going forward.

To that I say, have a little sense of adventure. I have a substantially less specific prediction for Schneider’s future. I think that his career will land somewhere between Mandy Brooks and Albert Pujols. That’s backed up by the data; 100% of hitters who started off as hot as Schneider have ended up with careers between those two. Every unlikely hero has to have an origin story. No one thought Pujols was going to be an all-time great, and then he was. But plenty of stories that look like they’re too good to be true turn out to be just that. That’s what’s great about baseball, though: we can just wait and see. The future is going to happen, at which point we can put it into context.

You might say that my projection is worthless. I’d reply that not everything needs a useful projection. How much fun is it to go through life never caring about what’s currently happening, only focusing on what is most likely to happen in the future? That sounds like a boring existence. Right now, Davis Schneider has the best hitting resume of all time through 23 games. That is incontrovertibly true. The rest? We’ll just have to wait and see.

Statistics in this article are current through games of Sunday, September 10.





Ben is a writer at FanGraphs. He can be found on Bluesky @benclemens.

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g4Member since 2020
2 years ago

Until seeing this chart, I had forgotten just how much Puig set the baseball world atitter upon his arrival. A supergiant star that burned out as quickly as it shone brightly.

PC1970Member since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  g4

& going back a little bit, I remember when Sam Horn & Alvin Davis started out like gangbusters. At least Davis had a solid 6-7 year run, Horn was a flash in the pan.

As a Tigers fan, I looked for the immortal Brennan Boesch..but, he “only’ put up a .969 OPS in his 1st 23 games.

Pat ListachioMember since 2020
2 years ago

lovely title.

dodgerbleu
2 years ago
Reply to  Pat Listachio

Absolutely the best title I ever recall seeing for a Clemens article. A+

dodgerbleu
2 years ago
Reply to  Pat Listachio

Also, stellar username. A++

Brian ReinhartMember since 2016
2 years ago

#NotGraphsLives

Mario MendozaMember since 2017
2 years ago

Ben Clemens, you’ve outdone yourself. And that says a lot!

Mahoney
2 years ago

Fun factoid: Pujols had more WAR in his first 23 major-league games than he did in his last 7 1/2 seasons with the Angels combined.

dodgerbleu
2 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

Fun for who?!

Matt
2 years ago
Reply to  dodgerbleu

People that enjoy chaos and hilarity. Which isn’t Angels fans of the last 2 decades, because they know only the crushing reality of inevitable failure and disappointment

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago

I think it might be a bit much to expect him to continue with a 242 wRC+ since he was putting up a 141 in AAA before the promotion.

It’s hard to be a bad player if you are capable of a .416 ISO over 100 PAs. However, it might be a bit much to expect that to continue since the only players who have topped that mark since 1951 are Mark McGwire and Barry Bonds and they all roided out.

The xwOBA mark gets us a little closer to something sane–a .411 xwOBA isn’t the best in the league this year. It would be something like the 5th best in the league this year, 3rd best in 2022, and 6th best in 2021. Players with wOBAs near .411 in 2023 include Matt Olson and Freddie Freeman. This is probably his 95th percentile outcome over the long haul. Maybe 99th.

But I’ll tell you what, ZiPS projects him to be a 115 wRC+ guy and he’s shown he is defensively adept at second base. That’s a 4 win player right there. I think there’s a very, very good chance he is that good.

votto eroticaMember since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Schneider has been a good litmus test for prospect pundits, who are dismissing him mostly out of hand. He’s a good candidate to show up on future “players I was wrong about” lists.

Nothing about Schneider’s approach or swing leads me to believe he can’t be a productive, mlb regular for at least the near future.

Ben Rice is the next guy I’m following in this vein, though he’s the same age as Schneider, only in Double-A and has more fog around future position.

DDMember since 2020
2 years ago

Statistics in this article are current through ….”

This statement has never been as integral to the article.

jacksonv123
2 years ago

I am disgusted at no mention of the Yerminator

MikeSMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  jacksonv123

OPS was only 1.063 through 23 games.

Jamessssssss
2 years ago

I remember Brett Lawrie

Oh, Beepy.Member since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  Jamessssssss

What possible relevance could a highly-touted top prospect with well-scouted tools have here?

kojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Oh, Beepy.

The hot start to his career.

Brett Lawrie’s stats through his first 23 MLB games:

87 PA / 27 H / 4 2B / 4 3B / 5 HR / 12 R / 14 RBI / 3 SB / 0 CS
.333 ISO / .333 AVG / .379 OBP / .667 SLG / 1.046 OPS / .443 wOBA / 181 wRC+

Lawrie had 2.6 WAR in 43 games when he was 21-years-old. He never hit better than 103 wRC+ nor had another 2+ WAR season again and was out of baseball by the time he was 27.

I hope Davis Schneider has a better career than Brett Lawrie did.

AnonMember since 2025
2 years ago

I thought I remembered Austin Riley and Rhys Hoskins starting out red-hot when they were 1st called up. Riley was a bit off this list with a .940 OPS over his 1st 23 games but Hoskins is just barely off this list at 1.116

BarryZitoBarChords
2 years ago
Reply to  Anon

I was going to say the same thing about Trevor Story.

BarryZitoBarChords
2 years ago

Story was hitting .247 / .308 / .660 (.412 ISO, .968 OPS or 132 wRC+) after 23 games. Eleven at Coors and 12 on the road, BUT 9/12 road games were in Arizona (pre-humidor) or Great American Small Park! Sheesh!
My memory was obviously skewed by those 7 HRs in the first six games. After those 7 games he was slashing .333 / .357 /1.111 (.778 ISO, 1.468 OPS, 264 wRC+)

MentholMember since 2014
2 years ago

We should never forget how lucky we were to be baseball fans when The Greatest Ever made his debut.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Menthol

He’s 24 years old, so he probably has a good 8 or so years barring injury. Assuming 600 PAs a season, he’ll have 12 WAR seasons for about 8 years, plus what he’s done already. So, 98 WAR 8 years from now, and probably more after he starts his decline phase. I leave open the possibility that I underestimate his playing time, and thus these estimates are conservative.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

In case you are wondering where he would stand in this hypothetical scenario: Through age 32, the leaders in WAR for position players from 1951 to the present are:
Mickey Mantle (99.9)
****DAVIS SCHNEIDERS FUTURE HOF TRAJECTORY ABOUT HERE****
A-Rod (96.9), but steroids
Willie Mays (93.7)
Barry Bonds (90.6), I can’t remember if he was roiding at this point or not
Hank Aaron (90.2)
Eddie Mathews (86.1)
Mike Trout (85.1), but he’s not done yet

This really underscores the importance of starting early for the Hall of Fame. If you have your first full season at age 25, even if you put up 12 WAR years for 8 years you are still behind Mantle, and not more than 10 WAR ahead of guys like Mays and Hank Aaron. I would be curious to see a list of Hall of Famers who debuted at, say, 24 or 25. Goldschmidt had his first full season at 24, I can’t think of anyone else off the top of my head (I am sure they are out there).

formerly matt wMember since 2025
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Phil Niekro debuted at 25 but pitchers are probably on a different scale here, and knuckleballers definitely are.

Edgar Martinez is the guy here, he didn’t debut till age 24 and 253 days. Mike Piazza debuted three days short of his 24th birthday. Wade Boggs debuted age 23 and 299 days, so he had his first full season his age 24-25 season. Luke Appling only played 6 games age 23. Johnny Mize played most of a season at 23 but 24 was his first full season. David Ortiz debuted at 21 but didn’t play 100 games till his age 24 season and only had 1.2 bWAR through age 25. Carlton Fisk debuted age 21 but didn’t really have a full season till he was 24 (kind of a Red Sox theme here). Barry Larkin sort of didn’t have his first full season till his age 24 season but that’s pushing it.

For a future HoFer, Joey Votto debuted a week short of his 24th birthday, and you could make a push for Graig Nettles, who didn’t settle in till 24 or 25.

That’s what I got for the AL/NL leaderboards, though I didn’t try to be systematic. (And excluding players who started in the Negro Leagues or Japan.) Not a ton and sometimes I had to really push the “full season” thing!

goatMember since 2026
2 years ago

Looks like a true talent 900 OPS guy to me

airforce21oneMember since 2026
2 years ago

Which Blue Jay is the biggest disappointment this year?

  1. Vlad (1.3 WAR)
  2. Springer (2.0 WAR)
  3. Varsho (.219/.286/.371)
  4. Kirk (6 HR)
  5. Jansen (.228/.312/.474)
  6. Biggio (0.3 WAR)
adrock75Member since 2018
2 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

It’s incredible the team is where it is this year with so many hitters being so deeply mediocre.

South DetroitMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  adrock75

And Manoah on top of all of that regression on the hit side

Greg SimonsMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Wow, airforce21one dropping a wet blanket on all this fun.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  Greg Simons

Like another poster mentioned above, I’m actually really impressed by the Blue Jays. So many players seem to be underachieving and yet they are still on track for the playoffs.

Dmjn53
2 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Not sure Jansen belongs there. He’s played at a roughly 4 win pace, and a 114 wRC+ plays for a catcher all day

Oh, Beepy.Member since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Uh not Jansen or Biggio, that’s for sure.

noah2112Member since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Using fWAR (0.4) instead of bWAR (1.3) Vlad looks even worse. Remember when everyone was projecting 6-7 WAR for him?

kojo
2 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Alek Manoah has been the biggest disappointment.

5.87 ERA / 6.19 xERA / 6.02 FIP / 5.86 xFIP / -0.4 WAR

Vlad might be next because of expectations, but at least his 0.4 WAR doesn’t come with a negative symbol on the front of it.

Danny Jansen shouldn’t be on the list. He’s had a good season. He has achieved career highs in homeruns, runs, and runs batted in, and has the second best WRC+ and WAR totals of his career.

South DetroitMember since 2020
2 years ago

A+ I’m convinced! I am waiting for Jay Jaffe’s hall of fame write up!

ColonelMustard
2 years ago

I remember Yordan Alvarez debuting in 2019(the year of juiced balls). It was damn near a religious experience.

Learning that we had traded for him from the Dodgers in exchange for reliever Josh Fields only furthered Astros fans belief that some sort of divine intervention had occurred

BarryZitoBarChords
2 years ago

Oh to so casually type, “fellow phenom Shohei Ohtani”!

🤣

JayTeamMember since 2019
2 years ago

Double off Scherzer, HR off Aroldis last night. The legend can’t be stopped.

SgtSchmidt11
2 years ago

Why isn’t Jeff Francouer on this list? 432/439/827/1.266 through 23 games according to BRef.

SgtSchmidt11
2 years ago
Reply to  SgtSchmidt11

Ah, he only had 82 PA’s through 23 games.

Still, give the Kid some love.

kojo
2 years ago
Reply to  SgtSchmidt11

The last video game I had was MLB The Show 2011. Although Francoeur hadn’t had an above replacement level season since 2007 and wasn’t an above average hitter since his rookie campaign in 2005, that video game version of him was impossible to get out at the plate. He constantly clubbed homeruns and other extra base hits off me. I don’t think I hated any other player in that game with such passion as I hated video game Jeff Francoeur.

musclepharm52
2 years ago

“Pure hot lava”? I think you meant “liquid hot magma.”

eastmanMember since 2022
2 years ago

Here to report that right now it is yesterday’s tomorrow and the earth has not crashed into the sun. Yet.