Is This the End for Joey Votto?

“If something cannot go forever, it will stop.” Credited to economist Herb Stein, this tautology, sometimes known as Stein’s law, has broad application past the field of economics: the Earth will end, the sun will end, the ability of the universe to sustain life will end, all the non-Top Chef shows on Bravo will end (hopefully), and we’ll end. Joey Votto does not exist outside of the space-time universe, and his 2022 season so far makes it look like his career will end before all of these things. Or will it?
Votto’s career has looked shaky at times before, but he has made comebacks before: from a leg injury that cost him half a season, a mid-career power outage, and a huge dropoff in play at age 35. He’s had enough successful comebacks to become a rarity in baseball: a highly paid star first baseman who doesn’t make his team regret a very large contract covering his 30s. But while he’s gotten off to slow starts before, a .122/.278/.135 line is something else.
Perhaps even worse is that so many of his non-baseball card stats look abysmal as well. Votto is striking out at nearly triple the rate of his 2017 peak. His soft-hit and hard-hit percentages of 22% and 20%, respectively, are closer to Ben Revere than a slugger, and those numbers are twice and half his career rates, respectively. Votto’s average exit velocity of 86.4 mph is six ticks off last year’s 92.9 mark, and his 70% contact rate is the lowest of his career.
Unsurprisingly for someone with a well-deserved reputation as one of baseball’s deepest thinkers about batting, Votto had an explanation — one he shared with The Athletic’s C. Trent Rosecrans, who talked with him last week about his change in bats:
More than that, it just didn’t feel right. Votto wasn’t hitting the fastball — and he didn’t all spring, either. Votto said he was identifying pitches quickly, and he’d start his swing. The feeling at the point of contact was just off, failing to find the barrel of the bat.
“(I) just not getting to the spot I was expecting to with the barrel,” Votto said. “The ball just kept getting rolled over, fouled off my leg, swing through. A combination of recognition and swinging didn’t lead to the results that I was used to.”
Votto is certainly right about one thing here: He’s been one of the best hitters over the last decade against fastballs.
| Name | wFB | wFB/C |
|---|---|---|
| Barry Bonds | 223.9 | 3.66 |
| Juan Soto | 111.7 | 2.68 |
| Aaron Judge | 111.1 | 2.10 |
| Larry Walker | 83.2 | 2.02 |
| Joey Votto | 378.7 | 2.01 |
| Bryce Harper | 219.2 | 1.91 |
| Jim Thome | 231.7 | 1.90 |
| Fernando Tatis Jr. | 43.1 | 1.90 |
| Mike Trout | 277.2 | 1.89 |
| Manny Ramirez | 233.1 | 1.88 |
| Alex Rodriguez | 337.3 | 1.87 |
| Josh Hamilton | 138.8 | 1.82 |
| Chipper Jones | 232.4 | 1.81 |
| David Ortiz | 346.6 | 1.80 |
| Vladimir Guerrero Jr. | 50.2 | 1.79 |
| Alfonso Soriano | 245.9 | 1.71 |
| Max Muncy | 79.5 | 1.69 |
| Kris Bryant | 133.0 | 1.68 |
| Freddie Freeman | 221.1 | 1.67 |
| Moises Alou | 82.7 | 1.64 |
| Albert Pujols | 399.7 | 1.63 |
| Ryan Howard | 211.8 | 1.63 |
| Carlos Delgado | 161.4 | 1.63 |
| Corey Seager | 80.6 | 1.63 |
Votto switched back to his old bats last week, but the (extremely) early returns haven’t been much better, as he’s 1-for-18 with six strikeouts and an 83.5 mph exit velocity on 12 batted balls since. While I’m hoping that it turns out that it was the bats, and there’s some classic Votto just waiting to break out, I’m pessimistic for a few other reasons.
One of the factors behind Votto’s big power season in 2021 was that he was swung at far more good pitches and walloped them. This year, he’s been even more aggressive, but almost entirely against out-of-zone pitches, unlike last year, when he bumped his zone swing percentage from 60.0% to 71.5%. Early-career Votto was equally aggressive, but early-career Votto also made better contact, and 70.3% is a career-low and about five percentage points worse than the league average. In other words, it’s not just his exit velocity being down; he’s making worse decisions at the plate.
As Votto’s whiff rate has increased, he’s actually missing less often on fastballs. Instead, it’s his swing-and-miss rate against breaking balls that’s soared, and given that he’s also at career-highs in pulling breaking pitches with little change on fastballs, I suspect that he’s trying to cheat on Father Time and compensating for slowing bat speed by going dead-red fastball more often. Both ability and decision-making are fueling his slump as much as his bats may be, and one of those is very hard to remedy.
Another reason that I’m skeptical that changing bats will fix the problem is that Votto did hit very well in Cactus League play, going .282/.317/.590 with only five strikeouts in 39 at-bats. Now, spring training is a small sample of exhibition play against mixed quality pitching, but if the effect of a bat change is so significant that it can turn a slugger into a pitcher, I expect that we’d be able to see much more substantial evidence of it here.
Does Votto have one last comeback in him? That’s what most baseball fans, including myself, want to see, but history hasn’t been kind to aging players starting this poorly. Only 25 players in history age 37 or older have had an OPS under .550 in April (in at least 50 plate appearances); Votto’s performance ranks third worst.
| Player | Year | OPS | Rest of Season OPS |
|---|---|---|---|
| Magglio Ordonez | 2011 | .401 | .696 |
| Brian Giles | 2009 | .420 | .626 |
| Joey Votto | 2022 | .434 | ? |
| Ian Kinsler | 2019 | .450 | .739 |
| Jim Edmonds | 2008 | .457 | .918 |
| Marlon Byrd | 2015 | .460 | .793 |
| Raul Ibanez | 2011 | .466 | .755 |
| Otis Nixon | 1999 | .468 | .594 |
| Fred Lynn | 1989 | .478 | .753 |
| Nelson Cruz | 2022 | .479 | ? |
| Frank White | 1988 | .495 | .613 |
| Otis Nixon | 1998 | .509 | .755 |
| Barry Larkin | 2002 | .510 | .705 |
| Maury Wills | 1971 | .522 | .675 |
| Justin Turner | 2022 | .525 | ? |
| Ken Singleton | 1984 | .527 | .590 |
| Tommy Corcoran | 1906 | .531 | .482 |
| Rickey Henderson | 2000 | .536 | .700 |
| Willie Horton | 1980 | .536 | .661 |
| Dave Parker | 1989 | .536 | .781 |
| Eddie Murray | 1996 | .539 | .782 |
| George Brett | 1990 | .541 | .955 |
| Raul Ibanez | 2014 | .544 | .550 |
| Otis Nixon | 1997 | .547 | .673 |
| Steve Finley | 2005 | .549 | .672 |
Most of those players did play significantly better after April; the median bump the rest of the season was about 200 points of OPS. But with the exception of one final big run for Edmonds and Brett, they were all pretty much done as good hitters, let alone stars. About half retired after the season, and most of the rest followed suit quickly.
Looking at more robust ways of predicting Votto’s fate, projection systems generally give him a bounce — ZiPS to a 106 wRC+ the rest of the way, Steamer a 97, and THE BAT a 103. But when using full-fat ZiPS with plate discipline data and the like rather than the 2%-fat model that can run every morning, it drops off considerably to equal Steamer’s 97 wRC+ prediction. While certainly more respectable than his season so far, that would be one of the worst performances of Votto’s career, on the level of the 2019 season that made people worry that he was reaching the end.
The good news is that with the Reds completely out of the race and almost certainly beyond the point of salvageability, there’s no particular urgency for them to search for solutions at first base other than their long-time franchise player. Nor is there a hotshot first base prospect in Triple-A who could push for Votto’s job; Jake Bauers and Allen Córdoba can no more threaten Votto than I can threaten a Rottweiler with a steak sandwich. If anyone can recover from this tailspin, it’s Votto, who has come back before and is an inveterate tinkerer who is always willing to change his approach at the plate. I’m not hopeful, but I’d be very happy for Betteridge’s law of headlines to score another win here.
Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.
How dare you?
“ I can threaten a Rottweiler with a steak sandwich”
Legit considering starting a mockFanGraphs Twitter account that just tweets the best one liners from this site.
It’s an interesting choice of dog for the metaphor. Rottweilers are famous for pulling the old-timey butcher’s cart to market, which requires a pretty high level of discipline. Threatening a rottweiler with a steak sandwich is a cracked-mirror reflection of its own history.
Hey, I *did* say threatening, not tempting!
You know that scene in The Neverending Story where the horse gets to the sadness place and just gives up? Anyway the Reds were in Coors and Joey went 1-12 with 6 Ks. I didn’t cry, but the deep well of sadness was similar.
I still believe Joey Votto will get out of the swamp
You know that Artrax didn’t get out of the swamp, right?
No spoilers
Spoiler: There is, in fact, an ending to The Neverending Story.
This has bothered me for well over 30 years.
Also, it gets better. There is a Neverending Story II. How can you have a second one when the first one clearly isn’t supposed to end?
And the author of the Neverending Story is named Ende!
The story of the universe still goes on; there’s just nobody to convey to us what happens as it continues.
I just don’t buy it. Technically, the story of every universe goes on after the books / movies are over. The fact that they try to kick it up a meta-level to justify doesn’t make it different. They’re trying to break the 4th wall multiple times and in increasingly complicated ways instead they create a multi-layered Deux Ex Machina. It’s like the exposition scene at the end of the second Matrix movie, except that’s the whole movie.
(No spoilers, see)
What? This is the most blatant case of false advertising since my lawsuit against The Frying Dutchman’s “all you can eat” buffet!
Tis not a man, but a remorseless eating machine…
Yar.
I hearby demand a retraction of this slander of a great Canadian. Joey Votto is a national hero and beacon for all citizens of countries experiencing 24 hour darkness in the winter. He continues a tradition of greatness established by such luminaries as John Candy and Alanis Morissette. Retract or we’re going on strike.
I’m not your fwiend, buddy,
The WGA (World Canadian Bureau)
He belongs to the US now.
I hereby demand a retraction of this slander of a great American.
See, this is why everyone thinks Americans are uneducated.
Hey! Who are you calling buddy, guy?
Alanis Morrisette is a treasure to the entire English speaking world, not just Canadians. She is the emotional voice of a generation. If you don’t believe me, just go see her in concert.
I will not stand for any slander (or libel, as it were) against this great woman.
Votto always felt like somebody who was going to fade out instead of crash and burn. It’s really surprising to see him struggle so much, hopefully he can pull it together a little bit and finish on his own terms.
He kinda did that, though. He’s been a solidly above league average hitter by wRC+ through his age 37 season. I’d call that pretty graceful aging.
Weird bit of selection bias here where Votto’s decline looks worse when compared with HoF talents of the same age, which overlooks all the great players who were either retired or long since done as everyday players by the time they were 38.
Miggy’s six months older than Votto and hasn’t been an impactful hitter since 2016. Adrian Gonzales is a year older and has been retired since 2018. Votto’s aged wonderfully compared to his peers.
Fair enough. The contrast with last season makes it feel like an abrupt decline but I suppose last season was more of an outlier than a trend.
Maybe last year was a dead cat bounce.
Tbf he was pretty shit last spring as well before getting hot
“Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.”
I don’t think Votto is going to hit .122/.278/.135 going forward, if that’s what you mean. But I strongly suspect his future is going to be very similar to 2019-2020 Votto and not very much like 2021 Votto.
I wonder if the humidors have lessened older hitters’ ability to trade off contact for power, or maybe it’s just harder than ever to be an old hitter. Donaldson and Pujols are the only hitters 36+ with above-average wRCs right now, and several guys (Votto, Nelson Cruz, Turner, Cain) have been downright awful.
Maybe pitcher velocity? If decreasing reaction time is a major component of aging, then maybe adding increasing pitcher velocity to the equation exacerbates the issue
It’s definitely a young man’s sport, now more than ever.
Was curious how many of the Age 37/Bad April hitters were already on the decline before their bad April season. Probably a number of ways to do it but I decided to just look up their wRC+ the year before their bad April (I’ll put in PA as well to get a feel for how many were part-time players or platoon partners)
So actually better than I was thinking. Throw out the 4 guys who were pretty crappy hitters already and yes, there are a few that were pretty clearly already not the same guy they were in their peak (or even shoulder) years, but most of the rest were some level of good the year before their bad April.
This is a very good addition to the analysis. You would think, though, that there really aren’t going to be that many 37+ year olds that had already declined badly the year (or years) before but still got the regular playing time necessary to make this list.
Would be interesting to see how many 37+ players with poor OPS the year before that still got regular time the following April. Unless you had other skills (or were perceived to have other skills), you’d likely be lucky to even get a bench roll.
I’m guessing it’s the huge contracts of today (Pujols, Cabrera, Votto, etc.) that keeps these guys in, which didn’t exist more than 20 years ago.
If it were more than 20 years ago, would Pujols, who averaged 27 homers and 96 RBI from age 34-39, really have been jettisoned?
Votto is also the first mega-contract player to make this list. And he wasn’t the Reds plan for first base this season because of his contract. He was a stud last year.
20 years ago they would have pumped these guys full of steroids to keep them going.
Pujols would have been jettisoned after 2017, when he went .241/.286/.386.
No he wouldn’t. Joe Carter had a remarkably similar age 37 season in 1997 and was rewarded with a contract befitting an veteran, everyday player. You either are too young to remember or have memory-holed just how important RBI used to be as a measure of ability.
Man, you know Votto is letting the poison out the rest of the season when he finds this article and literally tweets it to his fans saying “5 months to go. Enjoy the show.” LOL
I thought this was a joke but apparently not! Hoo boy.
The guy is coming up on 39 years old, and he’s on a team that was just stripped by ownership – the sh***iest offense imaginable. WTH is he supposed to be able to do, essentially by himself?
Ownership didn’t make it the shittiest offense imaginable. Ownership made it extremely shallow and with sizeable holes, but not the shittiest imaginable. Ownership and injury made this the eyesore that it is. India is on his 2nd trip to the DL. Neither Solano nor Barrero has played. Moustakas, Stephenson, Naquin, and Senzel have all hit the IL. Those 7, plus Votto and Pham, would actually be OK. Not spectacular, not even league-average, but not quite as embarrassing.
I am not meaning to let ownership off the hook. They are an embarrassment, for sure. I just want to make sure that injury gets its fair share of credit.
Kind of interesting that 3 guys are on the list from 2022. after 22 in the prior 121 seasons.
You wanna know what?! You gotta problem with Canada Joey Votto, you gotta problem with me, and I suggest you let that one marinate!
There’s a special place in heaven for Votto lovers, that’s what I always say.
Joey Votto is majestic. Barrel chested. The envy of all athletes.
He’s had a great career no matter what happens next. I suspect stripping the lineup around him of useful helpers has had more impact than we can imagine. Jake Fraley is not a interchangeable replacement part for Jesse Winker, to name just one.
Winker’s been almost as bad as Votto.
Another dope thing about Herbert Stein is that his son is Ben Stein. A man who’s managed to craft an image as a smart guy but who’s been wrong about nearly everything he’s taken a public position on, sometimes comically so.
In 1930, the Republican-controlled House of Representatives, in an effort to alleviate the effects of the… Anyone? Anyone?… the Great Depression, passed the… Anyone? Anyone? The tariff bill? The Hawley-Smoot Tariff Act? Which, anyone? Raised or lowered?… raised tariffs, in an effort to collect more revenue for the federal government. Did it work? Anyone? Anyone know the effects? It did not work, and the United States sank deeper into the Great Depression.
Today we have a similar debate over this. Anyone know what this is? Class? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone seen this before? The Laffer Curve. Anyone know what this says? It says that at this point on the revenue curve, you will get exactly the same amount of revenue as at this point. This is very controversial. Does anyone know what Vice President Bush called this in 1980? Anyone? Something-d-o-o economics. “Voodoo” economics.
Wow. Totally non-partisan rant
Bueller…Bueller…
Whoosh…
Would love to see him retire with a better than .300/.400/.500 slash line, but that seems threatened now.
I think he would have to leave the game today to keep his BA over .300, but the other two seem easy for him to achieve.
A week or so ago, I looked at Votto’s stats and reviewed the types of pitches he was seeing. He was seeing a lot of breaking stuff and not as many fast balls. I saw this and wondered whether this is a product of no, absolutely none, lineup protection.
Yes, Votto has been bad. But the whole team sucks and there is no help in sight (sorry, I don’t think Matt McClain is being brought up soon). Votto is pressing, swinging at anything close. Pitchers aren’t worried about getting ahead on him with fast balls when they are up by 6 and no one is on base.
It can’t all be that Joey got old this year. I will accept that the first month with this team aged him 10 years.
Joey says hi Dan, https://twitter.com/JoeyVotto/status/1521317954926878720?s=20&t=bdWqR0-isk0NiThVOtwMuw
I told Joey Votto he should buy an ad free membership on FanGraphs. I should have told Joey Votto to *buy* FanGraphs.
The next Elon Musk…
“The (Stop Ash) Boring Company”
No. Boyz to men have not started singing. He will end the year 260/380/510
Are you trying to tell me that having one good season supported by “the science” doesn’t really tell us a whole lot? Last year was a fluke and Votto is only around because of his contract at this point. Luck is luck and metrics do nothing to help identify that. There is a lesson to be learned here for those interested in getting better at analysis.