Jacob deGrom Isn’t Like Other Pitchers

Kevin Jairaj-USA TODAY Sports

I’m writing this article because I’m worried that one of my favorite baseball things is going away. It’s not Shohei doing Shohei stuff, or Mookie Betts nonchalantly doing something that seems impossible when you watch it in slow motion. It’s not even a hipstery, less-popular-but-still-cool thing, like watching Ke’Bryan Hayes charge a tricky grounder. I like all those things, but nothing has given me more joy over the past half-decade than watching Jacob deGrom calmly dissect opposing lineups.

Maybe I’m too hasty to treat this like it’s in the past. The Rangers expect deGrom back in July or August this year – perhaps he’ll hit the mound and pick up right where he left off. Maybe he’ll be even better, though I’m not exactly sure how that would work. But I’m worried, because nothing lasts forever, and deGrom’s impossible peak has already gone on longer than I expected. At some point, he’ll fall back to the pack, and “right after returning from a major surgery” seems like a fairly likely candidate for when that might occur.

I’m afraid that I’ll forget what it was like to see deGrom at his domineering best. So I started looking at some of the stats that he put up during that run, and watching videos of it, and before I knew it, a few hours had passed. It’s just that fun to look at what he’s been doing and marvel. Maybe the fun will continue when he’s back. Maybe his run will extend for years. But just in case, I’m going to take a preemptive look back so that I can show you some GIFs and graphs and tables that drive home just how spectacular deGrom has been.

Here’s one of my favorite graphs to start us out: deGrom’s unique position among the league’s best swing-and-miss artists. When it comes to missing bats when opposing hitters swing, the best starter in baseball is Blake Snell (at least from 2018 to 2023, the range I’ll be looking at for this article). A lot of pitchers with similar skill sets dot the top 10 of that list: Dylan Cease, Shohei Ohtani, and Robbie Ray all make the cut. When batters swing at their offerings, they miss a lot, because plenty of those offerings are ludicrous breaking balls that finish outside the zone by a mile.

There’s another group at the top of the list: the elite swing-and-miss pitchers who do it in the strike zone. Corbin Burnes, Shane McClanahan, Chris Sale, Max Scherzer, and Gerrit Cole all join deGrom in the top 10, and they don’t issue many walks despite their mountain of whiffs. But deGrom stands alone – he’s nearly as good as Snell at missing bats, but walks fewer than half as many batters, fewer than almost anyone in baseball in fact:

That’s just outrageous. His 5.1% walk rate is sixth in baseball over this stretch, behind a top five of guys you’d expect: Miles Mikolas, Zack Greinke, Hyun Jin Ryu, Ross Stripling, and Kyle Hendricks. Those guys flat out refuse to walk anybody, and they’ll throw hittable pitches in the zone to accomplish their goal: they generate whiffs on 20.4% of swings in aggregate. That’s how you limit walks. There are really no other dots near deGrom; the closest is either Scherzer, with a 29.9% whiff rate and 5.7% walk rate, or Burnes, who checks in at 31.1% and 7%, respectively. In both directions, deGrom is an outlier.

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If you separate individual seasons, the chart gets even funnier:

That bottom right cluster is just all deGrom! His last four seasons are the four highest whiff rates in the sample, and he has a 4.3% walk rate over that span. It’s not even clear whether his peers are the low-walk group of the high-whiff group; he’s just more or less the best at both of them.

That’s the key craziness of deGrom’s success: he’s a control artist who just so happens to throw 100 mph. But he’s not just throwing it straight down the middle to avoid issuing walks. Out of the 401 pitchers who threw at least 1,000 pitches from 2018 through 2023, deGrom ranks 319th in the rate at which he throws over the heart of the plate. In other words, 80% of pitchers in baseball throw more middle-middle offerings than deGrom does. That’s not a normal thing for a low-walk pitcher; they mostly attack the zone, naturally enough.

On the other hand, deGrom is adept at dotting the corners of the zone. In that same 401-pitcher group, he ranks 132nd in pitches that are on the borders of the zone, but still in the zone. It’s really hard to do both of those things at once; generally speaking, the easiest way to hit the edges of the zone is if you’re aiming at the center. George Kirby hits the edges of the strike zone more than any other pitcher in baseball. He also hits the heart of the strike zone more than all but six pitchers in baseball. He’s just aiming in the zone, is the point.

For the most part, pitchers who do what deGrom does – fill up the zone without disproportionately attacking the middle – are soft-tossers with impeccable placement. Here are some everyday starters who are better than deGrom at it: Martín Pérez, Ryu, Hendricks, Marco Gonzales, Zach Davies, Tyler Mahle, Zac Gallen, and Zach Eflin. In addition to having a lot of Zac(h)’s, that’s a widely varying group. One thing they all have in common is that their fastballs play up because of that elite command.

Out of that entire group, only Eflin throws his primary fastball harder than league average. Gallen and Mahle are right around the median. Per Stuff+, only Gallen and Mahle have above-average fastballs. Despite that, they have solid fastball results, because they’re locating the pitch where they want it. Then there’s deGrom, who throws an elite closer’s fastball with that kind of command:

Fastball Command Artists
Pitcher vFA Stuff+ Fastball RV/100 Fastball
Zach Davies 89.3 72 -0.05
Zac Gallen 93.5 109 1.31
Zach Eflin 94.1 98 0.49
Tyler Mahle 93.5 110 0.36
Hyun Jin Ryu 90.1 85 0.52
Kyle Hendricks 87.4 82 0.14
Martín Pérez 93.1 80 0.48
Marco Gonzales 88.9 96 0.52
Jacob deGrom 97.4 139 1.63

I’m flattering some of the guys in this group by picking the better of their two fastballs. Gonzales, for instance, throws both a sinker and a four-seamer, but his sinker has produced better results, so it’s featured here. Ditto for Pérez. Eflin’s four-seamer has outproduced his sinker, so it’s the one in the table. But deGrom still stands alone, throwing laser beams with the kind of command normally reserved for a completely different type of pitcher.

In fact, deGrom’s fastball is a unicorn of a pitch. He throws it harder than everyone else, of course. Since 2018, his fastball velocity is the fifth-fastest among starters. Since 2020, it’s the fastest, at a gobsmacking 98.9 mph. That’s a great skill for obvious enough reasons – throwing hard is good – but he’s also releasing those laser beams from a shockingly low point:

This isn’t a novel observation. Mario Delgado Genzor highlighted Luis Castillo’s ability to do roughly the same thing, firing a four-seamer with plus velocity and movement from a low slot that creates a shockingly flat approach angle. Even that falls short of what deGrom does, though, because Castillo’s fastball doesn’t have the kind of freakish movement profile. On its path home, Castillo’s fastball falls 5.3 inches more than deGrom’s and moves 3.3 more inches sideways.

In action, that means that deGrom’s pitch looks like it defies gravity:

That’s just a straight line from his hand to the catcher, more or less; no wonder Tyler Wade swung under it. In fact, on fastballs at the top of the zone or just above, batters come up empty on 39.9% of their swings against the fastball. That’s an elite rate, sixth in baseball.

Only sixth? That’s disappointing to me, because I thought it might be first, but I’ll have to settle for this: When deGrom absolutely misses his target and throws over the heart of the plate, he still garners a whiff on 25% of swings. That’s the best mark in the game, ahead of Castillo in second. Justin Verlander draws whiffs on 24.8% of swings against his fastballs period, regardless of location. When deGrom misses, he’s basically Verlander – or Tarik Skubal, Pablo López, Carlos Rodón, or any of a number of elite bat missers. That 25% mark would be 27th in baseball for fastball whiff rate overall.

That’s a lot of digital drooling over deGrom’s fastball – but it’s not even his best pitch. That would be his truly unfair slider, which he throws at a heart-stopping 92 mph. It’s an absolutely devastating breaking ball that leaves hitters spinning in circles:

Despite throwing so hard, deGrom commands that slider like he has it on a string – sensing a pattern? The best place to put a breaking pitch is right around the periphery of the plate, in the so-called shadow zone. The best pitcher at this from 2018-2023 was Masahiro Tanaka, who located his slider near the border 46.8% of the time. That’s elite command, and deGrom isn’t far behind at 43.1%, 15th among starters. But of course, Tanaka was doing it at 82-84, not 91-93. Combine devastating speed and movement with elite command, and you yet again have deGrom.

It’s gotten so ridiculous that he doesn’t even use the rest of his arsenal very much – the last time he threw a third pitch even 10% of the time was 2020 (16.9% changeup usage). Naturally, that changeup is devastating, as it, too, comes in over 90 mph, and has some stomach-churning fade:

In fact, per Stuff+, it’s the second-best changeup that any starter throws, fractionally behind Yu Darvish’s version of the pitch. Again, this is his third option, one he’s more or less abandoned in recent years out of a lack of necessity. For what it’s worth, Stuff+ thinks that deGrom has the best four-seamer in the game (Cole’s is second) and the best slider in the game (miles ahead of Lance McCullers Jr., with Cole in third). Just for good measure, the pitch-level model thinks that he has the 10th-best curveball, too, and that’s a pitch he throws less than 5% of the time.

All told, deGrom is unlike pretty much anyone else when it comes to both the quality of his best pitches and the breadth of good options he brings to the table. Here’s a fun chart. This is every starter’s average Stuff+ across all their pitches, as well as the Stuff+ of their weakest offering. Just, what a joke:

Stuff+ thinks that deGrom’s worst pitch is better, at least in terms of raw stuff, than any other pitcher’s whole arsenal. His curve checks in at 130 – and Tyler Glasnow’s entire pitch mix is second among starters at 127. He’s just operating on a different level. Again, this is only the raw quality of his stuff, not how he commands it, and he’s spectacular on that front as well.

Perhaps, then, we should compare deGrom to relievers. I haven’t even addressed his gaudy strikeout rate yet, but he’s punched out 35.6% of opposing batters starting in 2018, behind only Spencer Strider among starters and Josh Hader among relievers. He’s at 42% – 42%! – starting in 2020. Only Edwin Díaz has been better.

So let’s compare him to relievers, then. I took every pitcher’s WAR from 2018-2023 and converted it into WAR per 100 innings pitched. That puts everyone on a similar scale, so that deGrom’s innings load doesn’t give him an unfair edge over relievers (sure, he’s missed a ton of time with injury, but Adam Ottavino leads all relievers over the span with 351 innings pitched, half deGrom’s tally). Here’s the top 10 by that metric:

Best Inning-for-Inning Pitchers, 2018-2023
Pitcher WAR/100IP IP
Jacob deGrom 4.0 675.2
Liam Hendriks 3.6 268
Edwin Díaz 3.3 281.2
Spencer Strider 3.2 320.2
Devin Williams 3.2 214
Josh Hader 3.0 341
Max Scherzer 3.0 937.2
Justin Verlander 2.9 780.1
Chris Sale 2.8 456.1
Zack Wheeler 2.8 1007

If you’re looking for the very best of the best on a per-inning basis, you should mostly look at relievers. Of note, I didn’t strip out the leverage bonus that our WAR system gives relief pitchers who enter in big spots, so they’re being credited even a little more than you might expect. But regardless, deGrom is the best, better than both all the high-octane bullpen types and the other great starters.

That’s basically the whole idea of this article: Come up with whatever weird criteria you want, and deGrom is probably the best at it. He has elite command. He has elite velocity. All of his pitches are great. He even throws those great pitches from an excellent arm slot to further the effect.

Here’s my last chart of deGrom being better at everything else than everyone else. It’s a boring one, all told: strikeouts and walks. I set the minimums very low: 30 innings pitched as a starter per season. That leaves all kinds of room for fluky, one-off performances. And yet:

All the good outliers are deGrom. That’s just who he is. No one’s like him. He’s in a completely different stratosphere from the rest of this era’s starters, at least on a per-inning basis. There’s really no comparison; an inning pitched by deGrom is just better than an inning pitched by anyone else. He has a 2.08 ERA in that span. The next-best starter is Verlander at 2.51. His 2.11 FIP is comfortably the best as well. He’s not outperforming his peripherals or anything of the sort; this is just who he is.

Sadly, we haven’t gotten to see that dominance on the mound nearly as often as I’d like. Over that same span, deGrom is fourth among starters in WAR with 27.2, though he’s pitched 400 fewer innings than Cole, who is in first place with 28.5. Availability really matters, and deGrom’s has been poor, to be charitable. He’s burned twice as bright — but for half as long — as many of his contemporaries.

When we look back at him with a bit more remove than we have right now, I think that his availability or lack thereof will be one of the first things people remember. He was a great pitcher, but one who was only intermittently on the mound. That’s true! I wouldn’t argue it for a minute. But I think it’s worth remembering that he isn’t just a garden variety great pitcher. When he pitches, he’s the best pitcher, and it’s by so much that it’s actually laughable. There’s no one else like him. Enjoy the show while you can.





Ben is a writer at FanGraphs. He can be found on Bluesky @benclemens.

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago

They need to stick deGrom in bubble wrap until August. That’s easy to do this year but he’s under contract for another three years after this one. They should probably just do it every year and assume that they need another 5 quality starters to last through the trade deadline.

Unfortunately this year they’re relying on not-exactly-models-of-health Eovaldi and Heaney to be those guys at the beginning of the year, and Gray had a serious health scare in the playoffs last year too. The Dane Dunning, Cody Bradford, Dane Acker, Owen White, Zak Kent rotation could be fun.

FrancoeursteinMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Having Cole Ragans would really help

RobertMember since 2017
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Given the quality of his unused secondaries I wonder if he could recraft himself and not put quite so much strain by backing off a bit and using the other pitches

ccoeurMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Robert

He was one of the league’s best starters before he started throwing 99, so…yes?

Anon21Member since 2018
2 years ago

Honestly, some of his statlines are just so pretty. 4/23/21, he shut out the Nationals on 15 Ks, 0 BB, throwing 84 strikes in 109 pitches. To me, that’s near the Platonic ideal of dominant pitching, although I wouldn’t begrudge anyone who prefers a Madduxian line with fewer total pitches and fewer Ks.

Dmjn53
2 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

who would prefer less Ks from your pitcher?

Anon21Member since 2018
2 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

I just said: someone who likes to see a complete game shutout on fewer pitches. For example, Tom Glavine shut out the Giants on June 23, 1992 on only 84 pitches.

Dmjn53
2 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

right but in terms of a discussion about dominance, outs on ground outs require a certain amount of BABIP luck. There’s no luck in a K

formerly matt wMember since 2025
2 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

As a guy who used to comment at SBNation sites as “WHYG Zane Smith,” there is something beautiful about a pitcher cruising along throwing strikes and getting groundouts.

(Per start, Zane had more complete game shutouts with under 100 pitches than even Greg Maddux. I want you to know that.)

Dmjn53
2 years ago

We’re not talking about beauty though, we’re talking about dominance. Beauty is subjective, a batter not being able to make contact against you is objectively dominant

And High Ks and a high strike% are not mutually exclusive, as deGrom’s most dominant starts suggest.

ab
2 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

Someone who wants availability & longevity from their pitcher. (Doesn’t always work out that way, of course.)

Last edited 2 years ago by ab
lilleff512
2 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

He also went 2-4 at the plate with an RBI double and 2 runs scored.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
2 years ago

deGrom is going to have an interesting HoF case. By the time he’s eligible (hopefully at least a few years past five from now) voters may have had to accept that pitchers don’t put up 60 WAR anymore,* and if he’s able to get on the field at all he should be close to 50 WAR, plus the x-factors of being a dominant pitcher who lost time to injury and whose major league career got a late start.

*in my fantasy universe where voters look at WAR

Dmjn53
2 years ago

your asterisk is key, because he’s not going to be anywhere near the universe of traditional counting stats. I do get a kick though on how he only needs to make ~15 starts in a season to reach 4-5 WAR

diamonddores
2 years ago

looking forward to the 12 articles we’ll get on here about his HOF chances….

MikeSMember since 2020
2 years ago

It’s possible that he finishes with fewer pitching wins than Babe Ruth – deGrom is 10 behind him right now, only has 18 wins the last 4 years combined, and has only won 10 or more in a year 4 times in his career.

I don’t really know what that means for his HoF chances, I just find it very amusing.

Jason BMember since 2017
2 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

only has 18 wins the last 4 years combined”

This is true, and alarming, and sad. Just 254 innings over that 4-year period, a number that Nolan Ryan comfortably topped in five single seasons between 1972 and 1977.

Or, deGrom’s 254 innings from 2020-2023 is just 886 innings behind Ryan’s total from 1972-75. (Or hell, 78 innings below Ryan’s 1974 alone)

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
2 years ago

I think Tom Tango has made this point on twitter, but he’s a modern Koufax in this way. If he can pick up additional, traditional hardware (esp a CYA or MVP), I think it’d be easier for the BBWWA to put him in, but if he’s part of another WS and then retires? The narrative will be there for the voters if they want it.

MikeD
2 years ago

One can make that argument about Johan Santana too. Didn’t help him on the HOF ballot.

Jason BMember since 2017
2 years ago
Reply to  MikeD

I like Johan Santana a lot!

Johan Santana is no Jacob deGrom.

Pepper Martin
2 years ago

The standard bearers for “short career, high peak” Hall of Famers are Sandy Koufax and Dizzy Dean (the latter of whom is probably in the Hall as much for being the most “famous” pitcher of all time as for his on-field record). The top six fWAR seasons for them, and for DeGrom:
Koufax: 10.0, 9.2, 9.1, 6.3, 6.2, 5.7 (retired when younger than DeGrom)
Dean: 6.8, 6.6, 6.5, 6.5, 5.2, 4.7 (started 1 game while older than DeGrom)
DeGrom: 9.0, 6.9, 4.9, 4.9, 4.1, 3.6

carterMember since 2020
2 years ago

I feel like deGrom is a guy who will get in regardless of war. People like guys who are the best at something, even if they get trying to do it

JustinPBGMember since 2018
2 years ago

To me he’s the perfect example of why the max effort guys sadly don’t last as long. I would much have preferred if he were 10% worse and hadn’t fallen to pieces.

I remember everyone saying, “wow he’s throwing SO hard and SO well it’s amazing his body can do this.” It can’t!

Anon21Member since 2018
2 years ago
Reply to  JustinPBG

The thing is, he’s an N of 1 and we don’t really know if his constant injuries are bad luck, some inherent feature of his anatomy that is not the same as the one that gives him the ability to throw so hard for so long, or directly linked to the things that make him great. We see some examples of pitchers who throw much harder than league average at a high volume but are also quite durable–Verlander, Scherzer, Cole, and Nolan Ryan all come to mind, although of course none of them ever threw as hard as deGrom. We also see plenty of examples of pitchers with average or below-average velocity whose careers are interrupted or ended by similar injuries. (Of course, they could also be “max-effort guys” whose velocity ceiling is just lower.)

Pitcher health is the $1 billion question for MLB teams, but the publicly available information is just very thin! There’s seemingly been no advance over a century of organized baseball in the prevention of pitcher injuries, even though treatment and recovery has made big strides.

RobertMember since 2017
2 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

Nolan might have thrown this hard on a regular basis (although without as much control).

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

Yet again the unanswerable question of why some arms fall off and some don’t raises its ugly head. I will argue that Ryan was probably faster than deGrom but that isn’t the point. Of course there have been thousands of pitchers over the history of baseball who couldn’t reach 90 mph despite 100% effort. It is called talent. I watched the greats from the 50’s, 60’s and 70’s and when somebody tries to say they didn’t throw with max effort I wonder if they saw Bob Gibson spin around from the force of his body rotation. Is it sad that the game no longer allows teams to find out if their pitchers are Nolan Ryan or Anderson Espinosa or Alex Reyes. I an of the belief that a great pitcher who is cruising can go all the way and come back five days later. I miss watching pitchers throw complete games and, in a very cynical way, I get pleasure when a starter is yanked while continuing to get everybody out then the bullpen blows it and nobody saw more leads blown after he left than Jacob deGrom.

carterMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

I agree with you. Like everyone just has this assumption that somehow no one was giving max effort years ago? Or has an assumption about what someones “max” effort is.

To me I think that pitchers might have gotten hurt a less earlier, but I do not think it is to the extent we see or assume. No one ever had TJ pre TJ’s existence. Some people probably lost effectiveness. Most people likely pitched through it/lost effectiveness. I imagine tons of people would of gotten TJ if TJ was available who never got it and still had long careers. It isn’t like a pitcher needing TJ or he doesn’t. There are varying degrees of injury, and sometimes people “rehab” or attempt to work through it. I think of my brother who played the field in college. His arm always hurt, since age of like 12 on. He only pitched in high school in situations where he was needed, like the state playoffs his last two years of high school. Clearly he needed TJ, but he could still hit low to mid 90s. I think that is likely what went on a long time ago, it isn’t just like a guy stopped pitching when they were hurt for a surgery that hadn’t been invented yet. Like even Tommy John said he had that issue for years prior. I’m sure they all did.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  JustinPBG

It’s amazing how many stories fit this mold:

March: “Eric Pitcherman’s stuff now has huge movement without sacrificing velocity! He’s going to be a star!”
April: “Eric Pitcherman is striking out everyone!”
May: “Eric Pitcherman underwent Tommy John surgery on Tuesday. Dr. James Andrews said that the surgery was a success.”

Throwing hard is most of the story, but there is also something going on here where whatever they’re teaching pitchers to do improve movement is blowing up their bodies. At least, it’s blowing up their bodies at the crazy velocity that they’re throwing at. It’s at the point now whenever we see someone have a big leap in “stuff”–either in terms of velocity or movement I start holding my breath. This year it’s Cole Ragans I’m worried about.

synco
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I remember Jack McKeon gushing about how A.J. Burnett could throw so many pitches and “doesn’t even have to ice!!!” right before Burnett blew up.

JustinPBGMember since 2018
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yep

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

We can’t discount this. OTOH, we’re talking about the 1% of 1% of 1% of human bodies, most of whom are freakish in some way and have been training since birth, and with pitching especially, finding non-idiosyncratic sample sizes is extremely difficult. And who knows how they were trained when they were younger, and what effect that has later? There are SO many variables.

And in this case, it’s entirely possible–maybe even likely–that deGrom is a “freak” (meant nicely and admiringly!) in such a way that he “has” to throw like this. Maybe there was some point in time in his development where it could have been altered, but who knows how that works out? *Maybe* his pitching style leads to inevitable injury, but it’s *more* likely that his pitching style is unchangeable without a meaningful degradation in quality (and messing with this mechanics at this point in this career might just Joba him to death).

Some guys are Satchel Paige, and some guys are Bobby Thigpen. Rather than messing with him, perhaps we should Let deGrom be deGrom for as long as he can be.

Pepper Martin
2 years ago
Reply to  JustinPBG

At his peak, Pedro Martinez was known for having the best fastball, best curveball, and best changeup in baseball (non-Randy Johnson division on the fastball). He was also considered to be a fragile pitcher, he was only averaging about 7 1/3 innings per start; he pitched at least 186 innings in 10 of 11 straight years.

The standard bearers for “short career, high peak” Hall of Famers are Sandy Koufax and Dizzy Dean (the latter of whom is probably in the Hall as much for being the most “famous” pitcher of all time as for his on-field record). The top six fWAR seasons for them, and for DeGrom:
Koufax: 10.0, 9.2, 9.1, 6.3, 6.2, 5.7 (retired when younger than DeGrom)
Dean: 6.8, 6.6, 6.5, 6.5, 5.2, 4.7 (started 1 game while older than DeGrom)
DeGrom: 9.0, 6.9, 4.9, 4.9, 4.1, 3.6

Great while he was on the mound, but… never on the mound.

tung_twista
2 years ago
Reply to  JustinPBG

From 2014 to 2020 (deGrom’s age 26-32 season), deGrom was 7th by innings pitched.
And he started getting hurt after turning 33 which is… lasting reasonably long for pitchers.
The main difference with deGrom and other pitchers with elite peaks is that he got a very late start in the majors so he did not get to accumulate as much counting stats before his body started breaking down.
It is easy to forget deGrom is the same age as Kershaw and by the time deGrom won Rookie of the Year, Kershaw collected three Cy Youngs and an MVP.

samhortonMember
2 years ago

Thanks for the article, Ben. As a Mets fan I was crushed to see him leave, but not watching him pitch at all sucks even more. Hoping he just picks up where he left off.

Jeff in JerseyMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  samhorton

I often debate whether it was better, long-term, to sign Verlander instead of DeGrom. The Mets got two excellent prospects for Verlander and won’t pay him to be on the injured list. But if–and it’s the biggest IF ever–DeGrom gives you three plus great years, it’s almost certainly more valuable that Drew Gilbert and Ryan Clifford.

johndarc
2 years ago
Reply to  Jeff in Jersey

You also don’t get the hearts and minds thing of keeping deGrom on your team for his entire career or at least most of it. Now you just have “Oh yeah remember when Verlander was a Met” trivia.

Travis LMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  Jeff in Jersey

Aren’t the Mets paying Verlander to play for the Astros? That seems strictly worse than paying him to be on the DL…

Honestly, if deGrom has a couple of great postseasons and puts up 10 regular season WAR in the 5 years, it’s probably more valuable than the prospects.

justregularMember since 2023
2 years ago

My favorite stat fact this winter is Jacob deGrom career IP is exactly half Clayton Kershaw career IP all the way to the fraction of the inning.

Travis LMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  justregular

Kershaw has 2x the IP and 1.78x the WAR. That’s actually kind of incredible – twice the volume and only 10% worse on a per IP basis.

Dmjn53
2 years ago

wouldn’t be a complete Fangraphs article without a Ke’Bryan Hayes reference!

SertoriusMember since 2023
2 years ago

As a Rangers fan, I was sad to see deGrom be injured last year. But I was more sad as a baseball fan. Similar to Trout, deGrom is not only unique among pitchers currently; he’s unique among pitchers ever. It’s sad but true that we might have seen the last of peak deGrom. I hope not though

synco
2 years ago

What I want to know about deGrom is why is his name capitalized that way, and how in the world was he never a pitcher until his junior year of college.

Dmjn53
2 years ago
Reply to  synco

I’d also like to know how little Stetson University produced Jacob deGrom, Corey Kluber, and Logan Gilbert in the same decade

top1214
2 years ago

Shouldn’t Felix Bautista be in the inning rate table? 4.1 fWAR in 126 IP is about 3.3/100, if I’m mathing correctly.

Jeff in JerseyMember since 2020
2 years ago

I don’t think anyone has forgotten how awesome DeGrom is, Ben, or is in any danger of doing so in the near future, but this article was a great summary of his amazing abilities.

OneearMember since 2018
2 years ago

“deGrom has pitched circles around the league for the last half decade.” – are you sure it wasn’t a twentieth of a century, or maybe a quarter of a score?

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
2 years ago
Reply to  Oneear

Pitcher of the quinquennium!

Travis LMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  Oneear

Nit, but I read this sentence to mean deGrom has pitched in the last half decade at that level to run circles around the league.

Also, there were those 4 guys in the 90s/00s who were pretty dang good.

CousinNicky
2 years ago

Seems a little weird to do a Degrom article about his uniqueness/dominance in the sport and not compare him to his most obvious heir apparent in Spencer Strider. Strider is also doing it at age 23-24 (degrom was in A ball/not pitching at this age) and even better than degrom did until his age 30 season (2018) when he went from a very good pitcher to best in baseball.

Anon21Member since 2018
2 years ago
Reply to  CousinNicky

Is it that weird? This article is just about a longer time horizon. Strider’s great, but he hasn’t been doing it for very long. Also, he’s not closely comparable to deGrom in terms of walk rate.

CousinNicky
2 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

Overall i agree the comparison is between his peers for the past 6 seasons(Verlander, Scherzer, Sale, Kershaw, etc.) and how dominant DeGrom is on a rate basis compared to the other HoF over this time.

But your second point seems wrong, they are very comparable in some key areas that are mentioned above (its very early yes) The leaders in K-BB% for starters (min 300IP) since 2018 is Degrom in first and Strider 2nd.

Also, DeGrom in his first 4 seasons averaged just under 7% walk rate and Strider is at 8% so far in his career at a much younger age. Elite Degrom didnt come to form until age 30(which is 2029 for Strider lol)

Travis LMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  CousinNicky

Unfortunately all I read from your comment about Strider is there is nowhere to go but down (to the Tommy John store…)

SertoriusMember since 2023
2 years ago
Reply to  CousinNicky

Age 23 Strider is definitely better than age 23 deGrom. However, Strider isn’t very close (yet) to peak deGrom. Strider might be the frontrunner for next elite pitcher, but that’s a different article. A simple way of putting it is looking at WAR/IP over even the last three years(where both pitched). Strider is a very impressive 2nd in MLB over that span. But the difference between 1st (deGrom) and 2nd is the difference between 2nd and 41st.

KobraCola
2 years ago
Reply to  CousinNicky

Strider was mentioned multiple times in this article, so they quite literally were compared.

Daniel SiegalMember since 2021
2 years ago

as a Mets fan that ‘best pitchers inning-per-inning’ chart is a real bummer. they’ve had half the list on the team at some point in that time frame!! and yet… 🙁

OTMHeartBBCMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  Daniel Siegal

you ever think thats WHY they havent won shiz? too many unreliable max effort guys that always get hurt and tank the rotation

OTMHeartBBCMember since 2019
2 years ago

hasnt topped 100innings season in half a decade at this point

mookie28Member since 2016
2 years ago

I love deGrom and as a Mets fan watched like every start he made since his debut but he’s pitched 254 combined innings the last 4 seasons. The lack of availability really dampens his accomplishments.

jacksonv123
2 years ago

Probably my favorite player to watch of all time. I really hope he has another good stretch in him. Truly amazing to watch an athlete so great he is pushing the limits of human anatomy.

Jason BMember since 2017
2 years ago

(A) Who is the sad dot in the opposite (bottom-left) corner of the worst Stuff+ / average Stuff+ chart?

(B) I miss his 80-grade hair

markakis21
2 years ago

“I’m not like the OTHER girls pitchers”

-Jacob DeGrom, probably

johndarc
2 years ago

I just remember Cole saying that he never missed a deGrom start, and that he modeled his mechanics after his because he thought they were “perfect”.

sterling62Member since 2020
2 years ago

Jacob deGrom has been amazing in his career.
His primary stats of 84-57, with 2.53 ERA, 0.993 WHIP in 1356 innings are fantastic.
The article names dozens of pitchers that are not comparable to deGrom, but surprisingly does not mention Clayton Kershaw.
For comparison, he is 211-92, with 2.48 ERA, 1.004 WHIP in 2712 innings.
And for those who think Kershaw is so much older than deGrom, he is only 3 months older. Both turn 36 this season, but Kershaw has 127 more wins.
The fascination with velocity and strikeouts can skew one’s view of great pitching, but Kershaw has had a better peak than deGrom and more longevity. Yes, truly like no other.