ZiPS-ifying the Free Agent Market

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We’re all looking for an end to the winter doldrums, but whatever meteorological fortunes Punxsutawney Phil might indicate in a few days, the real start of spring doesn’t come until pitchers and catchers report. The vernal equinox ain’t the boss of me! But before camp opens, some unfinished offseason business remains, with scads of free agents still unsigned. And while many of the biggest names — Shohei Ohtani, Yoshinobu Yamamoto, Aaron Nola — have long been off the board, there are still players out there who could have a real effect on their next team’s fate.

Of course, we could just wait and see what happens, but I’m impatient. Since I just finished the ZiPS team-by-team rundowns, let’s use them… for evil. Rather than sit around checking our watches, I asked ZiPS to estimate which team will get the biggest championship boost from each free agent. Now, these suggestions don’t have the force of law or extortion — I’d need to be about 700% smarter and at least 7% more villainous to properly construct a doomsday machine — but let’s just imagine. Just to be clear, these aren’t predictions about what will happen, but rather an indication of which team the projections say has the greatest 2024 incentive to sign each player. And if teams aren’t considering these signings, well, maybe they should? We’ll use our 2024 free agent rankings and forcibly sign some of the players remaining. For each player, I’ll include their percentile projections with their new, possibly unwilling employers.

Cody Bellinger: San Diego Padres

Given the riskiness of his profile, especially in the power department, I’m definitely uneasy with some of the contract numbers that have been thrown around for Bellinger. But he’s the best center fielder practically available and he’s not just an acceptable fill-in at the position; he’s a legitimately excellent defensive player whose glove helped mitigate the damage in his brutal offensive seasons. The hole left by trading Juan Soto is San Diego’s biggest unaddressed problem for 2024, but Trent Grisham being included in the swap also created some roster headaches. Grisham isn’t a star, he fought with the Mendoza line last year, and he’s prone to bunting at inopportune times, but he’s projected as a 2-3 WAR player at a position where the Padres don’t have obvious answers. Whatever combination of José Azocar, Jakob Marsee, Óscar Mercado, and others ends up manning the position, the Friars are likely to be towards the bottom of the league here. Bellinger would do a lot to remedy that.

A return to the Cubs may feel more natural, but Pete Crow-Armstrong projects as being more than capable, and with some serious upside to boot, two things that can’t be said of most of San Diego’s options.

ZiPS Projection Percentiles – Cody Bellinger (544 PA)
Percentile 2B HR BA OBP SLG OPS+ WAR
95% 33 30 .309 .374 .543 146 5.0
90% 31 28 .296 .361 .517 136 4.3
80% 28 25 .285 .348 .495 127 3.7
70% 27 23 .275 .339 .475 121 3.2
60% 25 22 .268 .331 .460 114 2.8
50% 24 20 .261 .322 .437 108 2.4
40% 23 18 .251 .315 .422 102 2.0
30% 22 17 .245 .309 .411 96 1.6
20% 20 15 .235 .300 .394 89 1.2
10% 18 13 .224 .286 .370 80 0.5
5% 16 12 .216 .279 .352 73 0.0

Blake Snell: Baltimore Orioles

Bellinger signing with the Padres is extremely unlikely without a shove, and the odds that Snell goes to the Orioles are even more remote. Acting Orioles team owner John Angelos appears to want to pay next to nothing to players, and Snell is going to cost a good chunk of change no matter how you feel about the specifics of the ERA vs. FIP fights that accompanied the Cy Young discourse last fall. But the Orioles’ need for another starter has been obvious for more than a year, with little movement by the team. As you might expect, righties tend to have greater success hitting fly balls off Snell, so if you want him to sustain his low home run rate from the last two seasons, why not put him in Camden Yards, a park that recently made it more difficult for righties to hit homers? Stick Snell at the top of the O’s rotation and suddenly Kyle BradishDean KremerGrayson Rodriguez looks like a pretty enticing no. 2/3/4. What’s more, an injury doesn’t make the team overly reliant on Cole Irvin or Cade Povich.

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ZiPS Projection Percentiles – Blake Snell (159 IP)
Percentile ERA+ ERA WAR
95% 169.3 2.42 5.7
90% 149.1 2.75 4.9
80% 136.3 3.01 4.3
70% 127.4 3.22 3.8
60% 119.7 3.42 3.5
50% 113.1 3.62 3.0
40% 108.2 3.79 2.7
30% 100.4 4.08 2.2
20% 90.5 4.53 1.4
10% 81.3 5.04 0.7
5% 74.4 5.51 0.1

Jordan Montgomery: New York Mets

Since we already gave Snell to the O’s, they would no longer get the biggest boost from adding Montgomery. While ZiPS sees starting pitching as a need for the Rangers, once you factor in possible summer innings from Jacob deGrom, Max Scherzer, and Tyler Mahle, the need becomes less pressing. But the Mets still need rotation help — they didn’t sign Scherzer and Justin Verlander before the 2023 season because they wanted to film a remake of Grumpy Old Men — and Luis Severino comes with some big question marks. Severino, Sean Manaea, and Adrian Houser serve to keep the floor from getting too bleak, but the team needs more upside if they’re going to have a nice bounce-back season. And unlike the first two proposed signings, there’s actually a reasonable chance the Mets might do this willingly.

ZiPS Projection Percentiles – Jordan Montgomery (170 IP)
Percentile ERA+ ERA WAR
95% 156.3 2.66 5.4
90% 143.8 2.89 4.9
80% 130.3 3.19 4.3
70% 122.4 3.39 3.8
60% 116.8 3.56 3.5
50% 112.1 3.71 3.1
40% 107.0 3.88 2.8
30% 101.5 4.09 2.4
20% 93.9 4.42 1.8
10% 88.4 4.70 1.3
5% 83.9 4.95 0.9

Matt Chapman: Toronto Blue Jays

At least from my perusal of social media, Toronto fans seem to have rather mixed feelings about Chapman. I think after three months of full-time starts from Cavan Biggio and Isiah Kiner-Falefa, however, regrets may start to accumulate. The Blue Jays need better third base options than they currently have, and they project to be right in the middle of the AL East division race, meaning that each additional fractional win squeezed out of the roster may be the one that gets them into the postseason. Chapman’s glove came back strong in 2023, so a gentle decline may be in order. And ZiPS doesn’t even know that my colleague Michael Baumann just wrote about Chapman’s defense at third and its value to the Jays.

ZiPS Projection Percentiles – Matt Chapman (579 PA)
Percentile 2B HR BA OBP SLG OPS+ WAR
95% 40 39 .293 .376 .568 156 6.1
90% 37 35 .277 .367 .543 149 5.7
80% 34 31 .265 .356 .506 136 4.8
70% 32 29 .256 .345 .486 129 4.3
60% 30 27 .248 .339 .468 123 3.9
50% 28 25 .240 .333 .453 117 3.6
40% 27 24 .234 .326 .434 111 3.1
30% 25 22 .225 .319 .417 104 2.6
20% 23 20 .216 .309 .399 97 2.2
10% 20 17 .202 .291 .370 86 1.4
5% 18 15 .190 .281 .344 77 0.9

Jorge Soler: New York Mets

Giving Montgomery to the Mets improved the team’s projections enough that Soler’s wins are even more high-impact than they previously would have been. Sure, DJ Stewart was surprisingly adequate during his stint with the Mets, but given that his 116 wRC+ in the minors in 2023 only translates to a high-90s wRC+ in the majors, none of the projections are that enthused by him. Stewart can still find a use on the roster — in this case, as a spare outfielder and a fallback option for Starling Marte in right field — but Soler is the safer bet as an offensive player. And at DH, you don’t have to watch him play defense! With Joc Pederson signed in Arizona, ZiPS still projects Soler as fitting best with the Mets, even if you go by Steamer’s more optimistic Stewart projection.

ZiPS Projection Percentiles – Jorge Soler (530 PA)
Percentile 2B HR BA OBP SLG OPS+ WAR
95% 29 39 .271 .374 .565 158 4.3
90% 26 37 .262 .364 .537 147 3.7
80% 24 33 .248 .351 .504 135 2.9
70% 23 31 .241 .341 .485 129 2.5
60% 21 29 .233 .332 .467 121 2.0
50% 20 27 .226 .326 .448 114 1.6
40% 19 25 .218 .318 .428 109 1.3
30% 18 23 .210 .308 .415 105 1.1
20% 16 21 .201 .298 .394 97 0.5
10% 14 19 .186 .281 .359 82 -0.5
5% 13 16 .176 .272 .340 74 -1.0

J.D. Martinez: Miami Marlins

The Marlins snuck into the playoffs in 2023, but it had very little to do with the state of their offense, which was last in the NL in runs scored. Losing Soler — first to free agency, and then to the Mets in our scenario — makes an awful situation even worse. The plan for the DH spot in Miami appears to be giving Josh Bell days off and pretending Avisaíl García should be starting in the majors in 2024. Bringing in Martinez for a year could at least give the Fish some additional (very) short-term upside. Yes, the Marlins are spending money; remember, they have to do what the computer says! It’s not a great projection, but the outlook for the DH spot is absolutely brutal otherwise.

ZiPS Projection Percentiles – J.D. Martinez (494 PA)
Percentile 2B HR BA OBP SLG OPS+ WAR
95% 42 29 .308 .372 .567 152 3.6
90% 38 26 .292 .359 .531 141 3.0
80% 35 23 .279 .344 .507 130 2.4
70% 32 22 .269 .334 .488 123 1.9
60% 30 20 .261 .327 .469 117 1.5
50% 28 19 .252 .318 .453 109 1.1
40% 26 17 .245 .309 .431 104 0.8
30% 24 16 .238 .301 .417 97 0.4
20% 22 14 .224 .294 .396 89 -0.1
10% 19 12 .211 .279 .370 78 -0.7
5% 17 10 .196 .268 .338 71 -1.2





Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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Ronson
2 years ago

I would honestly be shocked if the O’s get off their wallet for Snell. I would add that while Bellinger would be a huge boost for the Cubs short term, PCA is their long term answering CF. Barring some creative opt outs, a long term deal probably doesn’t make sense to Hoyer.

Pepper Martin
2 years ago
Reply to  Ronson

Snell rejected $150 million from the Yankees and is holding out for $200 million… I cannot imagine the Orioles being the team to blink there.

montrealMember since 2022
2 years ago
Reply to  Pepper Martin

No way Snell gets 200. Who is going to pay him that ? This crap about Boras holding out would only result in Snell and Montgomery sitting at home waiting for money that will never come. Boras is going to lose this time.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  Pepper Martin

Hard to imagine the O’s going over 20m, frankly.

montrealMember since 2022
2 years ago
Reply to  Ronson

Yes when you think about it the Cubs have Crow Armstrong ready and Bellinger would want a long term deal. Michael Busch is slated for 1B. It can be argued the Cubs are not a fit for Bellinger.

catmanwayne
2 years ago
Reply to  montreal

I was almost about to ask “well what about RF/LF?,” and then just remembered Seiya Suzuki and Ian Happ are pretty good players.

I really think Bellinger to either SD (unlikely given their financial situation), or to COL (unlikely if Bellinger wants to win, but they probably would meet his contract demands) are the two best fits since he’ll be able to play every day CF for those teams. Most contenders/nealry-there teams have full outfields, and most teams who aren’t contending want to save money and build from within.

jacksonv123
2 years ago
Reply to  montreal

If anything Chapman is the better fit

peachiroMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Ronson

From the article: “Just to be clear, these aren’t predictions about what will happen, but rather an indication of which team the projections say has the greatest 2024 incentive to sign each player.”

synco
2 years ago
Reply to  Ronson

Well, now we know why Angelos didn’t want to spend any money.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago

Aside from JD Martinez to the Marlins I don’t think any of these are likely. In fact, pretty much all of them except for Martinez to the Marlins seems actively unlikely.

But I will say that if Snell doesn’t get the huge contract he is looking for and needs a pillow deal–which I would not recommend for him since Snell is streaky–Baltimore should be very assertive in that scenario. As should a lot of other teams (Rangers, Yankees, and Blue Jays come to mind) but no one is quite as desperate for a starter with playoff-worthy stuff as the Orioles are. And they seem to think that they have a great pitching development team there, and if they believe that they should also believe they can keep him from backsliding.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago

Now, here’s how it’s actually going to turn out…

Cody Bellinger to Los Angeles Angels. Arte Moreno doesn’t care about winning in-season, he just wants to win the offseason, and most of his owner-driven splashes have been on the position player side. Which makes sense, because position players play every day, right?
They will plan to play Bellinger in RF except when Trout gets a breather at DH. But the reality is that Bellinger and Trout will spend half of their time hurt, meaning that it will be a more straightforward timeshare than anyone expects.
As a bonus, this will totally screw over Aaron Hicks, who probably only signed with the Angels because he figured there was a chance to play. Or maybe they trade Taylor Ward to a team that needs a corner outfielder because they believe that Moniak can keep hitting well with a 11-to-1 strikeout to walk ratio. The only thing we know for sure is that the worst possible scenario will occur, something beyond our own imaginations.

Dmjn53
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

agree with the premise, but not team loves to ignore bright red flags on big money free agents than the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim. While this applies to Bellinger, to me there is no more perfect Angel acquisition than Blake Snell

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

I said earlier this offseason that I expected them to either sign Bellinger or Snell, but I think that if Snell was going to get a $200M deal from the Angels (or anyone) it probably (emphasis on probably) would have happened already.

If Snell is willing to take a deal more like Carlos Rodon did last year then there will be other teams available for him to sign with that are more attractive. Like the Yankees, who apparently offered him $150M.

I still think the Angels might sign him anyway, but I think it’s probably more like 20% than 45%.

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The Angels just picked up Hicks, which now gives them too many OFs (and Adell/Moniak are out of options) and they’ve publicly stated Trout is their CF, so there’s no position change. I think they’re more likely to sign Snell than they are Bellinger.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago

I don’t think rationality applies here. I think the only thing that applies is Arte Moreno’s desire to win the offseason. And Cody Bellinger is an especially appealing target because he was a star for the Dodgers, and you know who Moreno really dislikes? He really dislikes the Dodgers.

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I certainly won’t argue for Arte Moreno to act rationally in the way, say, Friedman does, but dropping $190m on Snell over X years isn’t hard to imagine, and I just don’t see the positional fit in Anaheim for Bellinger (though I suppose the cynical side says he plays a corner spot until Trout gets hurt).

tbh, I’d love to see the Marlins sign Bellinger and let Jazz play the IF. That could be a lot of fun and lord knows the Marlins could use offense

montrealMember since 2022
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The Angels basically get the left overs. No one wants to play there since they will never make the playoffs. Arte Moreno is one horrible owner who thinks he knows baseball but certainly does not. I have lost some respect for Mike Trout who is either stupid or just does not care about playing in the playoffs. If he demands a trade they will trade him. They have Houston, Texas and Seattle in their division. Take a look at the Angels roster especially their pitching staff. What a dysfunctional team. Arte ‘the Moron’.

catmanwayne
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I could also see the Rockies doing something like this with Bellinger. They never have a coherent plan, so of course signing the best position player available for way too much money and doing absolutely nothing else after the fact is the way to go when they really ought to focus on rebuilding.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  catmanwayne

That was my first guess for Bellinger. I know they were interested in him last offseason, and in general were looking for left-handed hitting outfielders who were center-field capable. But I think last season shocked them enough that they don’t want to hand out a $200M deal.

The counterpoint to this is that you can never completely rule out the possibility that they’re going to sign him to a massive contract and play him at first base, because they have a history of that. Last I heard they were going to play Kris Bryant at first base to try and keep him healthy (no, seriously). That feels a bit like they were two years late on this one, but maybe they’d play him at DH if they really are worried about him staying healthy.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago

Matt Chapman to the San Francisco Giants. The Blue Jays (and their fans) seem to have moved on from Matt Chapman, which is silly because he’s the guy who makes it viable to play Bo Bichette at shortstop. The Isiah Kiner-Falefa deal shows that the Blue Jays seem to have lost touch with reality, so the obvious move is not the one they are going to make.
Meanwhile, the Giants are throwing money around, trying to get basically anyone to take their cash. Rumor has it they are in on Snell. But they seem committed to letting Luciano take a shot at shortstop, and there’s not a better way to let him ease into the role than having Chapman cover third.
Personally, I’d rather let Luciano sink or swim, and if it doesn’t work out I’d spend some money on Ha-Seong Kim next offseason. They have a perfectly fine third baseman in JD Davis (who they just rehabilitated as a third baseman), so this seems like not a great use of resources. But the front office is under pressure to win, and Chapman is likely to be better than Davis, so they’ll do it and figure that Davis will handle some mix of 3B / 1B/ / DH depending on who is hurt or needs a day off.

South DetroitMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

“The Blue Jays (and their fans) seem to have moved on from Matt Chapman, which is silly because he’s the guy who makes it viable to play Bo Bichette at shortstop”…no sooner written than the Jays further demonstrate their poor grasp of reality by signing another RH hitter who isn’t going to provide cover for Bichetter in the IF

montrealMember since 2022
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yup Makes sense. I’m betting on Chapman to San Fran. I’m not sure what the problem is in San Fran but they do indeed have a problem attracting players.

Original Greaser Bob
2 years ago
Reply to  montreal

Death spiral man, death spiral.

EonADSMember since 2024
2 years ago

*pokes Guardians with a stick*

C’mon. Do something. Even if it’s not this. Do something.

Left of Centerfield
2 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

Build a time machine and undo the Nolan Jones, Junior Caminero, and Yanier Diaz trades.
Done, Done, and Done!

EonADSMember since 2024
2 years ago

I’m okay with Bo Naylor at Catcher now that we have him. But yeah, Jones, Caminero, even Will Benson. Please come back.

farther back would be Yandy Diaz, but that’s too long ago

Last edited 2 years ago by EonADS
Left of Centerfield
2 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

I left Benson off cause I’m not convinced he’s going to last. And Yanier can also play 1st and DH which gives some flexibility vis a vis Josh Naylor and Manzardo (plus saves the Hedges money).

And Yandy would probably have been traded away by now for being “too expensive”/approaching FA.

But yeah, having a few of those players back would help a LOT.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
2 years ago

OK, but did you know Punxsutawney Phil’s antics are scripted in advance by the Inner Circle? I was shook to learn this.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago

Wild Kratts* says that groundhog behavior in February is largely to scout out possible mates. Not even the Inner Circle could break them of their evolutionarily selected behavior.

—-
*my source for all of the recent breakthroughs in research on animals

davelambMember since 2017
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Wild Kratts. Now that’s a name I’ve not heard in a long time. A long time.

* kids now 18,15

ackbar7Member since 2020
2 years ago

The Mets have been weirdly cheap this year only meeting the market rather than beating it for players they wanted and now they seem to think their roster is largely complete despite needing a DH, half a bullpen and ideally a #2 starter. When your owners is worth as much as the 2nd, 3rd and 4th richest owners combined there is no reason for this.
What I am saying is that I doubt they sign either player mentioned here, though they should get both.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  ackbar7

I don’t think you can say the Mets are “cheap” in any sense. They were in until the end (or close to it) on Yamamoto. Their luxury tax number is over the highest threshold, at least partially because they paid down something like $65M to get prospects for guys they traded.

If they aren’t in on Corbin Burnes next offseason (or Zac Gallen the year after that) you can complain.

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

My understanding was that the Mets had the high bid on Yamamoto and the Dodgers met it to get him to sign. At very least, most of the reporting was that the Mets had the exact same (or very very similar) offer out on Yamamoto.

The variable that seemed to push Yamamoto to the Dodgers was Ohtani.

Jeff in JerseyMember since 2020
2 years ago

The other variable being that the Dodgers are consistently awesome.

rosen380
2 years ago

My understanding was that the Mets had the high bid on Yamamoto and the Dodgers met it to get him to sign”

And my understanding was that Yamamoto gave the Dodgers the opportunity to match, but then didn’t give the Mets the opportunity to sweeten their offer.

Definitely feels like a situation where the player/agent lead the Mets to believe they had a shot just to wring a few extra dollars out of the Dodgers, while having no intention of accepting virtually any Mets offer.

lacslyer
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Cheap may not be the right word, but it does fit in a way. If they were so willing to go after Ohtani and Yamamoto, why are they choosing to be stingy now? Especially if they can’t reset the luxury tax this year wouldn’t acquiring a Bellinger or Montgomery make going after FAs next year more realistic?

I don’t just mean in terms of competing next year, but also to actually sign those FAs it would help to have a little more than what they’ve got now, no?

It feels too much like they’re currently punting on the rest of this off season when acquiring a “long term” DH and/or starter certainly would go a long ways.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
2 years ago
Reply to  lacslyer

I won’t say this offseason has exactly left me overjoyed to cheer for the 2024 Mets either, but in general, fans should want their teams to be “cheap” on mid-tier free agents who won’t make a big difference, even (or especially!) if they strike out on the “splurge” guys at the top of the market. This kind of ill-judged spending that ties up too much long-term money in exchange for the second- or third-best option is the exact way the Mets have screwed up their long-term plans for approximately the last 20 years.

lacslyer
2 years ago

I think you’d have a point if they didn’t need as much as they do while the exact players available could fill those positions. This isn’t a team that will suddenly become a contender in one off season, hence why they shouldn’t balk at the remaining free agents.

Is it ill judged spending when it’s positions they’re a bit desperate for? Just because someone better may be available next off season doesn’t mean you can’t acquire a few pieces now.

Mean Mr. Mustard
2 years ago
Reply to  lacslyer

Doing things for the sake of doing things is how GMs become former GMs.

lacslyer
2 years ago

How about doing anything relevant that would move the needle for not just ’24 but beyond that? Acquiring just one of these guys could be that kind of difference.

Jason BMember since 2017
2 years ago
Reply to  lacslyer

The Mets adding Bellinger or Snell or Montgomery or any remaining FA =/= catching them up with the Braves

Which is not to say, “We should just stop trying altogether!” but rather “does this move really help us achieve our long-term goals?”

I’m not sure the answer with any of those guys is “yes, it does.”

Last edited 2 years ago by Jason B
lacslyer
2 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

You’re missing the point. They’re not going to acquire enough players in one off season to compete with the Braves or Phillies. Hence why they should try to acquire players this off season and next, and not just focus on next year. A player like Bellinger or Snell or Montgomery absolutely moves that needle closer to being competitive, and not acquiring them moves it back the other way. Hell, acquiring two of those guys would go a long ways to making the team competitive, and making other FAs more interested in playing with them.

Case in point, you can’t always count on upcoming FAs to be available. Burnes was a highly regarded ’25 FA that just got traded which increases the likelihood of him not even hitting the FA market. You have to acquire players that are available now and not wait until next year when the ones you want may not even be there.

CousinNicky
2 years ago
Reply to  ackbar7

The mets are in a tough spot, they blew the budget(they can and should with their money), but even unlimited payroll doesn’t guarantee a playoff team. Next years class is better and was he really going to try and outbit the dodgers this year (he wasnt getting those players for near equal money, they wanted west coast unless they got probably 1.5x what dodgers were offering).

Jeff in JerseyMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  CousinNicky

I agree that it’s a good offseason to reset. But if you can get Soler for one year and maybe trade Vientos (who knows what his value is, but he’s less valuable if blocked), the offense looks pretty solid. And the pitching would look a lot better with a good #2/#3. Maybe if the prices/years drop Uncle Steve jumps in.
My guess is that the Mets don’t sign anyone exciting the rest of the way and contend for the 2nd or 3rd wildcard.

idliaminMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  Jeff in Jersey

They simply don’t have the pitching to contend, and while I understand the need to get the payroll down, see what they have in the kids, etc., it’s not like Lindor, Nimmo, and McNeil are getting any younger, and they might not have Alonso by August, much less next year, so I don’t get why they wouldn’t at least toss a couple more chips in to make themselves more competitive.

catmanwayne
2 years ago
Reply to  ackbar7

They spent big money in the last few years, and it only netted them one playoff appearance and a quick exit. They tried that again last year and it blew up in their faces because they went after old veterans. Even Verlander and Scherzer aren’t immune to father time. Cohen has near infinite money compared to most other team owners but he also has the smarts to back off when the spend all of the money plan fails. The focus now is to retool and build from within, while still maintaining a good-enough-to-hang-in-there team.

mrdog61Member since 2017
2 years ago

Reading this as a cubs fan and knowing they have the ability to get any 2 of chapman and bellinger and snell and montgomery, and doing so would make them top 5 in team war in the NL, but also believing they probably roll with this rotation AND only get one of the bats *maybe* gives me the off-season sads

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
2 years ago
Reply to  mrdog61

And then read this as a fan of the O’s, Marlins, Giants, Twins, Guardians…the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was getting fans to hate the Dodgers for doing the thing they all wish their own team would do

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Original Greaser Bob
2 years ago
Reply to  mrdog61

When’s the last time a team had a credible rotation with four lefties?

JohnThackerMember since 2025
2 years ago

1981 Yankees?

Dave Righetti
Ron Guidry
Tommy John
Rudy May

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rosen380
2 years ago

2017 Dodgers?
Clayton Kershaw
Hyun Ryu
Rich Hill
Alex Wood

They combined for 10.1 fWAR with a 3.01 ERA and a .676 w%

rosen380
2 years ago
Reply to  rosen380

The 1981 Yankees SPs listed below had a near identical 9.9 combined fWAR and an actual identical 3.01 ERA… but ‘only’ a .557 w%

rosen380
2 years ago
Reply to  rosen380

2015 White Sox with Sale, Rodon, Quintana and Danks tops both of these with 13.0 fWAR, though only a 3.78 ERA and .475 w%

The 2013 White Sox (swap in Hector Santiago for Rodon) also do well by fWAR at 9.6… 3.62 ERA and a .400 w%

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago

The Red Sox tried this under Dombrowski. It didn’t work out because guys got hurt but they were rolling with a rotation including Sale, Price, E-Rod, and Pomeranz. I think they tried it for two years in a row. The second time they won a World Series, but not exactly with that quartet.

Of course it does seem like you get the most bang for your buck when you have two or three lefties, right?

montrealMember since 2022
2 years ago
Reply to  mrdog61

I think the Cubs getting Busch for 1st base and knowing Crow Armstrong is taking over soon signals the Cubs are out on Bellinger. But the Cubs could sign Snell or Montgomery and improve their chances big time. Caveat though….not at those prices that Boras thinks he can get.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago

Blake Snell to the Toronto Blue Jays. There are a lot of rational reasons why you can point to this not happening. I think you could make an argument that Jordan Montgomery is a better choice because he’s more consistent and because he doesn’t have draft pick compensation (not a big deal for most players, but more serious for luxury tax payers). You could also make an argument for Cody Bellinger. They have a ton of money tied up in pitching already, a lot of which hasn’t worked out the way they hoped, and they need a left-handed bat. They also really should get an infielder, although at this point a reunion with Whit Merrifield seems more likely than with Matt Chapman.
But here’s the score: The Blue Jays have signed a huge wild card with Yariel Rodriguez. He’s not a lock to start, or even to clear immigration. Alek Manoah looked broken last year. Kikuchi and Berrios are only one year removed from being useless. And the Blue Jays haven’t had much luck with getting top tier players to take their money, just like the Giants. And the Blue Jays are in a position where even small additions will add up to a much better shot of winning the division. I think this is his most likely landing spot, either on a pillow deal (a two year deal with an opt-out) or on a longer term deal.

Jason BMember since 2017
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

As a Jays fan – gimme a bat or two please. Unless they want to meekly bow out with some more 2-0 losses in the wild card round

lostatlimboMember since 2017
2 years ago

Does Amed Rosario have a home somewhere?

dangledangleMember since 2024
2 years ago

I wouldn’t touch Cody Bellinger with a ten foot pole unless it gets to the point where it’s a pillow contract or the new modified pillow contract we have been seeing alot of this off-season. The other option that is palatial would be something that is extremely heavy on performance bonuses. He needs to show that the rebound is sustainable before a team should sign him to a large long term contract. He over performed his batted ball profile last season. His defense provides some sense of a floor but on a long term contract it should be expected for his defensive abilities to decline. His base running provided some value as well he stole more bases but his success rate was basically at the break even point and his speed can be expected to decline as over time. His floor is under the bad version of Jason Heyward, his 2021 season was a disaster.

Don’t get me wrong there is definitely upside and the position flexible is useful. It’s also really unfortunate that his shoulder injury really impacted his bat because after his first three to four years he was looking at a massive contract. He is best served by going somewhere with a stadium conclusive to his game with a shorter fence.