Jeff Sullivan FanGraphs Chat — 9/30/16
9:08 |
: Hello friends
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9:08 |
: I guess I’m back to being late again
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9:08 |
: Welcome to Friday baseball chat!
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9:09 |
: Is there actually evidence that says mid range power guys hit more warning track fly balls than the bigger power guys or is this something that just seems correct?
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9:10 |
: I think to me and others it just *seems* correct. Now, this is something that would be possible to investigate with Statcast, so with good fortune someone will take it up in the coming weeks or months to confirm
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9:10 |
: I’d really like to know how evenly or unevenly fly balls end up being distributed
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9:11 |
: Do you feel there is any substantial difference in outcomes between managers who rest 1 guy at a time and play every game at 90% VS managers who put out “Sunday lineups” and basically punt 1 game per week?
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9:11 |
: I can’t imagine there would be any meaningful difference. I see advantages and disadvantages to both and a lot of it probably comes down to what the players in the clubhouse would prefer. The former gives you a fighting chance in every game; the latter is more predictable and could help various players relax
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9:12 |
: Jeff, why do the A’s do what they do? I get that they are a small market but the Indians, Rays and Pirates all have similar payrolls and they manage to hold onto their homegrown guys at least through their arb years and they can sometimes find money to extend them. The Marlins have a lower payroll than the A’s and they found the cash for Yelich and Stanton. Why do they blow up their entire roster every season?
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9:13 |
: I wouldn’t say they do it every season. To answer directly, they don’t have a Yelich, and they would probably disagree with the idea that extending Stanton was smart. I don’t think the A’s want to end up handcuffed by a contract like that long-term
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9:14 |
: Now, they are going to continue to try to work something out with Sonny Gray. They made a legitimate effort to try to re-sign Rich Hill. Josh Reddick, too. They’re not opposed to extensions or long-term contracts. They’re just wary of them
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9:15 |
: Jeff, do you think some of the difference homerun gains could be related to pitcher approach for individual hitters? Maybe everyone is getting the same boost from a more favorable ball, but the top power hitters and being approached differently, off-setting some of the gains?
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9:15 |
: I don’t think I buy this — the top power hitters would have always been approached differently. I’m more likely to buy a change in approach in the other direction, with more and more hitters just being willing to let it fly
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9:16 |
: Man, Jeff, your articles stick with me. No matter what I’ve read I’ll always end up thinking about something you wrote. Thanks for sharing your talent and hard work with us
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9:16 |
: I appreciate this although I have to say sometimes I don’t know what I’m doing.
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9:17 |
: Like the other day when I wrote about the Nationals and Wilson Ramos and so on. I get what I was going for but I don’t know what the point of that article was
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9:17 |
: Just looking at their roster, the Rangers look ever bit a legitimate 94-win team. But BaseRuns has them at basically .500. What am I missing?
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9:18 |
: For most of the season they didn’t have Lucroy or Beltran (or Jeffress). The offense hasn’t been dominant and the pitching staff has allowed a good number of runs outside of Hamels/Darvish
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9:18 |
: I think the Rangers made themselves a lot stronger at the deadline but just looking in hindsight, it’s amazing their record is what it is
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9:19 |
: As a Mets fan, last night’s Cardinals game makes me unbelievably stressed. Yadier Molina, a lead going into the final series, tons of injuries. Lots of bad Mets memories here. Talk me off the ledge, please?
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9:19 |
: While the Giants have to deal with the Dodgers and the Cardinals have to try to squeeze by the Pirates, the Mets have the opportunity to play three against the Phillies
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9:20 |
: I mean, if the Mets blow this, they don’t *deserve* to be in the playoffs
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9:20 |
: Why not have umpire discretion in placing runners after an automatic double? E.g. if a runner on first was already running, he’d probably score. Why send him back to third?
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9:21 |
: I was just reading about this a little while ago. I’m not sure. I’m going to guess it’s because baseball wants to minimize the amount of times calls are left up to the umpires’ judgment
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9:22 |
: In that way it’s protective. In the long run, a rule like this won’t play any favorites. And because it’s set in stone, there’s no arguing it
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9:22 |
: On time maybe for the 3rd week in a row?? If so, Boss Dave should’ve moved west years and chats ago.
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9:22 |
: I sure showed you!
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9:23 |
: I don’t know much about this Alec Asher guys the Phillies are throwing against the Mets tonight. What do you think about him?
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9:25 |
: As a general rule I like prospects who throw so many strikes. Location gets underrated relative to quality of stuff, and Asher is more of a control/command guy. Not likely to become a strikeout pitcher but a lineup that’s too patient will find itself behind in an awful lot of counts
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9:27 |
: Even though the Royals weren’t very good this year, they still managed to outperform their BaseRuns record by 8 games. Have they kept it up long enough that we ought to think it’s a repeatable skill yet?
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9:28 |
: I think there’s something to the idea that teams are maybe gradually figuring out ways to out-perform the numbers. And in the Royals’ case I’d guess a chunk of this is having that really topheavy, lopsided bullpen. So they’re equipped to keep their leads, even though in other games they might allow a bunch of late runs
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9:30 |
: I’m not doing a great job of putting this into words. But I think the Royals kind of have a “win-this-game” group of pitchers and a “get-them-tomorrow” group of pitchers. The greater the difference between the two groups, the more you can out-perform the overall indicators, I think
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9:30 |
: Best team of the decade thus far? ’11 Phillies? ’16 Cubs? ’15 Cardinals?
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9:31 |
: Right now I have to think 2016 Cubs but I’m probably going to try to write about this on Monday when the season’s complete
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9:31 |
: Some of this depends on how strong you think is the difference between leagues
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9:31 |
: Give it to me straight Jeff, how bad is it? First Stras, then Murphy, then Harper, now Ramos. My playoff chances ride on Danny Espinosa and Ryan Zimmerman
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9:31 |
: Rendon!
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9:31 |
: Rendon!!!
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9:32 |
: I suspect Murphy will be back, and I think Harper’s going to be okay, relative to what he’s been the last several months. The Nationals still have a good shot, especially if Joe Ross looks healthy
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9:34 |
: If you were the mets, would you rather face Bumgarner and the Giants pen (given the mets struggle vs. lefties typically) or the Cards in one-gamer?
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9:35 |
: Gotta think Martinez and the Cardinals. He’s good and they’re good, but Bumgarner is more likely to just totally take a game over
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9:37 |
: What was your take on the Bob Nightengale ‘story’ regarding Ventura? Whatever the intention, it was poorly conceived.
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9:37 |
: So, I actually missed this, because around this time in the year I’m never interested in reading about managers
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9:38 |
: Really, it doesn’t matter the time of year — I mostly skip articles about managers because I don’t know what to make of them. I don’t know who’s good or who’s bad so it doesn’t grab my attention when someone is on the hot seat
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9:38 |
: But! Now I’ve done some quick reading
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9:40 |
: Looks like Nightengale got used
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9:40 |
: That’s not altogether unusual
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9:41 |
: Did you see my homerun the other day? I hit the ball off a real professional baseball player.
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9:42 |
: There’s the potential for this to become an incredible story. The only problem I have for the moment is that it’s not yet anything like an incredible story. Right now it’s just a dude who did one thing trying to do another thing. If he actually climbs the ladder, then *that* would be fantastic
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9:42 |
: Now that Justin Upton’s got his hitting stats a little closer to his normal range, is there any consensus on what happened to him this spring and early summer? Ir was it just an extended blip from a high strikeout guy?
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9:44 |
: I think his swing just became a little long and it was easy to exploit him with fastballs that he used to demolish. Bad habits like that can develop over time and for all I know it’s possible Upton tried too hard at first to justify the contract he signed. It looks like he’s reduced his vulnerability to heat, having slightly shortened up, and while he’s always been a streaky player, 2017 should be a lot better than 2016 on balance
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9:44 |
: Is Zunino’s future one of alternating incredibly hot streaks and times that look like 2015? Basically, this year.
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9:45 |
: He’s always going to be strikeout-prone, and he’s always going to do the bulk of his damage with the longball. Kind of like Upton above, he’s going to be streaky. When a handful of balls go out in a week, he’ll be the team MVP. When those balls die or get fouled off instead, he’s going to go hitless
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9:46 |
: It’s important that Zunino keep walking like he is — at least that offers some relief from a constant stream of homers and whiffs
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9:46 |
: Has Kershaw done enough since coming off the DL to at least be a legitimate cy Young option?
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9:46 |
: Yes
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9:47 |
: To me, anyway. But I’m not a voter for that one
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9:47 |
: Awards picks?
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9:47 |
: Trout and Bryant
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9:48 |
: Sale and…Syndergaard?
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9:49 |
: And while I can’t reveal who I’m voting for in the AL for ROY, the NL is obviously Seager
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9:49 |
: the AL race pretty obviously comes down to Fulmer vs. Sanchez
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9:50 |
: How many teams still wouldn’t be contenders next year even if they bought every free agent they wanted this off-season?
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9:50 |
: Probably three or four. As you know, the market’s not good
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9:51 |
: There’s Cespedes at the top. Jansen and Chapman. Hill! There’s probably enough that even the worst team could pull itself up to .500
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9:51 |
: If the Red Sox and Rangers meet in the ALCS, the Sox would be heavily favored right? Rangers have the peripherals of a .500 team
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9:51 |
: The Rangers are also stronger now than ever before, and the Red Sox apparently won’t have Drew Pomeranz in the starting rotation
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9:52 |
: The Rangers added Lucroy, they added Beltran, they added Jeffress, they added Gomez, and now they’re getting Choo back
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9:52 |
: I’d still give the Red Sox the edge because of their lineup, but nothing about that series would be lopsided
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9:52 |
: Who would win in a game of one on one basketball, you or Dave Cameron?
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9:52 |
: Presumably Dave Cameron, on account of he has played more basketball in the last 15 years
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9:53 |
: But I would easily out-climb that basketball-playing son of a bitch
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9:53 |
: How many even years in a row would the Giants have to win the World Series before it became statistically significant, and you would start to expect them to win every other year? 20 times? Never?
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9:54 |
: I would never be able to talk myself into believing it’s a real thing, just because it wouldn’t make any sense, but if the Giants win again this year then I know come 2018 my perception is going to be colored, even against my better judgment
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9:54 |
: I think we all know it’s silly but it’s the kind of silly that just kind of sits there forever in the corner of your brainspace
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9:55 |
: I played baseball in college in Michigan and I’m from Chicago (huge Cubs fan). It was fall of 2015 and the Cubs picked up Quintin Berry for a couple pinch runs in September. My pitching coach told me he would start him over Dexter Fowler. During our discussion about this insane comment, he claimed that ‘WAR is a stat made up by scientists to try and quantify a game they don’t understand’. What is your response to people who try to take the Hawk Harrelson approach? Personally, you don’t need to be a certain type of fan to know that Dexter Fowler and Quintin Berry aren’t even in the same league. Thanks!
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9:57 |
: I try not to get into arguments — we’re all just sports fans, and I’m not going to criticize the way somebody else prefers to enjoy the game. In a case like that where someone is being openly stupid, I’d probably gently break WAR down and talk about Fowler’s superiority in various categories, but I’d never let myself get aggravated over it. It doesn’t make a difference. That guy isn’t calling any shots; he’s just crossing his fingers like everyone else
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9:58 |
: In baseball I’m a complete stat nerd. In hockey I try to *avoid* being a stat nerd because I want the release without having to overthink it. There’s a lot of fun to be had with either perspective. Can’t go wrong unless you choose to be an ass
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9:58 |
: Unless someone’s being an ass, live and let live
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9:59 |
: If someone is being an ass, tell them Quintin Berry sucks
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10:00 |
: Do you think Raisel Iglesias will be a starter or relief pitcher in 2017? How about long term?
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10:01 |
: At this point I think it’s 70/30 he stays in the bullpen. He’s been so good there, and everyone else has been so terrible
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10:01 |
: Are you worried about me?
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10:01 |
: I wouldn’t say “worried.” That implies some kind of emotional investment. But I do believe you’re mechanically not right
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10:02 |
: I think Arrieta knows it, too. They’ve been working on it for weeks. But it’s the toughest thing in the game to fold in mechanical adjustments on the fly
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10:02 |
: Who is more likely to end up in prison one day: AJ Preller, or Theo Epstein?
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10:03 |
: Epstein is more likely to end up in a prison of his own consciousness. Preller is more likely to end up in a prison of iron and concrete
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10:03 |
: Do you ever think about a 2001 Mariners team with Randy and A-Rod?
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10:04 |
: I don’t think about trying to make that team better, no. It was already the best team
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10:04 |
: Do you like the playoffs? Not “do you like the way they’re currently formatted” or whatever, but just as a thing or an experience?
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10:04 |
: Very much. I don’t even know how to explain it. I just get caught up in it. Like, watching the Blue Jays last October was phenomenal
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10:05 |
: I have a problem of overthinking, but when I can put that aside, the playoffs are the best
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10:05 |
: What is your Mount Rushmore of Volcanoes?
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10:05 |
: Well I could easily snark this on account of how Mount Rushmore sucks
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10:07 |
: But in terms of volcanoes that hold a special place in my heart, I’ll go with Hood, Vesuvius, Laki, and Erebus
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10:08 |
: What kind of prospect package could Brian Dozier command this off-season?
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10:09 |
: A little less than you might think — he’s going to be a 30-year-old middle infielder and I bet the market is going to hold off on investing too deeply into this weird home-run surge
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10:10 |
: But Dozier is locked up another two years for a combined $15 million. As a free agent he could probably get $45 – 50 million over the same seasons. So you’d be talking about two mid-level prospects, or maybe a young major leaguer
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10:11 |
: So seems like the Mets are gonna let thor pitch the las game of the season? I understand if they need to win it to make the playoffs, but other than that don’t they really really need him for the WC game? I love Bartolo and all but come on
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10:12 |
: I have to believe that if it gets to the point where the Sunday game is effectively irrelevant, they’ll push Syndergaard back. It wouldn’t make sense to do anything else
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10:12 |
: Which five non-playoff teams have the best chance of making the playoffs next year?
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10:13 |
: Well, that’s a lot of teams, but in some order: Rockies, Yankees, Cardinals, Astros, Rays
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10:13 |
: Can we just take a second to appreciate Britton’s FB% and LD%? Is that LD% even sustainable?
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10:14 |
: For the record: 9% and 12%
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10:14 |
: Britton has now done this three years in a row. Same shit over and over. He really is this good at avoiding the barrel
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10:15 |
: Do MLB pitchers do things to increase their spin rates on pitches the way they might do things to increase their velocity? Could pitchers even improve their spin rates if they tried? On a related note, things like height and arm speed make pitchers “projectable” for velocity. Does anything make them projectable for spin rates? Long fingers maybe?
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10:16 |
: I’m not really equipped to answer this — you’re going to need to talk to a scientist, someone who’s getting readings on players in more of a laboratory environment. I don’t know how easy it is to change your own spin, relative to how easy it is to improve velocity. But I can guarantee you that a bunch of teams are investigating this very thing, trying to boost spin on four-seamers within the minor-league system
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10:16 |
: Hello, friend!
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10:16 |
: Hello friend
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10:16 |
: Will statcast ever be turned into something that can show a players value?
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10:17 |
: At the very least, it’ll far better inform our own ideas of player value. Like, we already understand a lot about what makes players good, but if Statcast improves our understanding of player defense and pitcher batted-ball suppression, that is stuff that could conceivably change the public-facing WAR
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10:18 |
: Did the Orioles just make the playoffs based on dingers and an elite bullpen?
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10:18 |
: Pretty much
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10:18 |
: Very Royalsy, and also very non-Royalsy
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10:19 |
: I can’t figure out why DRA loves Pineda so much. Is it like xFIP that considers more?
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10:19 |
: That’s not a bad way to think of it. Pineda has an xFIP- of 76. That’s really fantastic. He’s obviously given up a bunch more runs than that, but in ways that we know aren’t very reliable
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10:20 |
: How does one break into the sports agency world?
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10:21 |
: Sell yourself to an agent, work with that agent for a little while, and then either murder said agent or branch out on your own once you feel sufficiently comfortable with your connections
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10:22 |
: Schedule wise, would you rather be BAL (@NYY) or TOR (@BOS) this weekend?
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10:23 |
: Baltimore. Neither opponent has a ton to play for and the Red Sox are better
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10:25 |
: thoughts on Ortiz’s farewell in New York last night?
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10:25 |
: The Yankees did well, although the Orioles made me laugh the most
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10:26 |
: I’m saddened that more writers aren’t talking about giving the Cy Young to Fernandez. The award is a bit of a triviality in light of everything else, but it would be nice anyway, and he’s clearly very deserving of it.
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10:28 |
: The situation right now remains a little raw and given what happened, to write about a damn seasonal award feels so insignificant. As insensitive as it might sound the accident should have no bearing on how the voting plays out. There’s no reason for it to, right? A case can be made for Fernandez, sure, and those cases will be made, but this conversation really shouldn’t take place until there’s more distance between the present day and the nightmare day
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10:28 |
: The problem *there* being ballots are due in just a few days. So, yeah
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10:30 |
: Giving the Cy Young to Fernandez isn’t going to ease the pain at all. Maybe he’ll win and maybe he won’t, but a million nice gestures won’t alleviate the suffering
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10:30 |
: With all the homers being hit, I was curious what the preseason projections said. As of now there are 107 players with 20+ HR (and 5 more sitting on 19). The fans projected 84 players to hit 20+ (from a player pool that only included players who 5 or more ballots were cast) and Depth Charts projected 69 with 20+.
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10:32 |
: Homers homers everywhere, nor any drop to drink
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10:32 |
: If you could choose to keep Dipoto or go with the unknown second choice candidate for when he was hired, what would you do?
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10:32 |
: Stick with what’s in place. Disrupting a whole organization is really…disruptive
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10:33 |
: Does a hot Mets team win the world series?
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10:33 |
: No
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10:33 |
: but, sure
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10:33 |
: They will have a small chance, but they will have a small chance
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10:34 |
: If Britton wins Cy Young, Kershaw doesn’t, and Betts wins MVP, have we really come very far at all? I thought Dave’s piece (comparing Mookie and Trout’s number of outs) made abundantly clear (in accessible terms) that Trout has had the better year. Is this an indictment of the advanced community’s ability to popularize their ideas or just evidence of how incredibly slowly the baseball community moves towards new ideas?
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10:35 |
: I think the conversation has very clearly advanced in the past several years. Sabermetrics at this point is practically mainstream. Even columns that argue *against* using WAR still cite WAR as a valid metric, which is so far from where we were a decade ago. Things take time and there’s always going to be room for disagreement but if you don’t think the general baseball dialogue has progress, you’re not paying attention
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10:35 |
: what do you see alex reyes’ floor/ceiling looking like?
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10:35 |
: Real estate agent / Hall of Fame
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10:36 |
: If Ben Zobrist declines really gradually and wins the next 3 WS with good postseason stats, does he have a shot at the Hall?
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10:36 |
: Pretty much zero realistic chance
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10:36 |
: Zobrist is criminally underrated even within his own era. He’s not even a blip across the whole of baseball history
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10:37 |
: How concerned are you on Sonny Gray’s arm health for 2017? Is it only a matter of time till the UCL snaps or does he go the way of Tanaka? He says in the 2 months off he sharpened his mechanics and got back to where he was.
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10:38 |
: Elevated concern, but not maximum concern. More likely than not I think he’s pretty good next year for around 180 innings
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10:39 |
: Alternating handed batting lineup. Overrated, right?
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10:39 |
: Overrated, but still useful, and the kind of thing that gets talked about a lot come playoff time, when the focus is on individual games and matchups
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10:39 |
: Could homers be up because of the prevalence of POWERARMS?
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10:39 |
: no
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10:40 |
: Who is the Cubs preferred NLDS opponent? I used to think the Cardinals, but the Mets are dropping like flies with injuries.
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10:41 |
: If possible, you take the Cardinals, because they lack the Syndergaard factor
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10:42 |
: Alan Nathan has published some evidence that seems to contradict the “juiced ball theory”. Specifically, exit velocities for liners haven’t increased the way they have for fly balls. In fact, they’ve pretty much stayed the same. Is this enough to abandon the belief that something about the baseball is driving the spike in HR/FB rates? There seems to be a lot of evidence in the other direction, but Nathan’s research looks like a pretty compelling counter to me.
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10:42 |
: Alan Nathan is much smarter than I am, and the baseball thing remains a conspiracy theory. I think it would be most fascinating if this *weren’t* the fault of a different ball, so I’m in favor of other evidence
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10:43 |
: There’s no reason to believe that Britton is more deserving of the AL Cy Young than Kershaw is deserving of the NL Cy Young, correct?
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10:43 |
: You have to look past the innings totals — from the voter perspective, Britton gets credit for having been healthy and available all season long
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10:43 |
: How well do you think Miguel Cabrera would hit with your body? More to the point: how much better than you would he hit?
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10:44 |
: With something similar to my current body, I got DH’d for in high school
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10:44 |
: So Miguel Cabrera would do a lot better than that
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10:44 |
: My Yankees were eliminated but we basically ended the season by sweeping the Red Sox and not allowing them to celebrate a Division title on Yankee Stadium Field…I’m perfectly alright with this ending to the season!
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10:45 |
: I think the Red Sox still should’ve celebrated on the field, just to be assholes
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10:45 |
: Now that it appears giants even year voodoo is wearing off is the silver lining that in 2017 might field their strongest ever year team bc they might actually be proactive this offseason in signing a closer and maybe a bat at 3b or left field? Also on a limb who you think they end up with at closer ?
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10:45 |
: Don’t write them off just yet. They’ve got Bumgarner, Cueto, and the best contact-hitting lineup in either league
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10:46 |
: Do you think the standings would be significantly different if the Yankees held onto Chapman/Miller/Beltran?
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10:47 |
: The Yankees are 31-24 since the start of August, with a low bullpen ERA. I don’t think they’d be in much of a better position
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10:49 |
: Brian Sabean recently made comments to the effect that Belt is not a middle of the order guy, but the numbers suggest he’s their best hitter. Was he getting the fan base ready for possibly moving Belt (who I like). The media here seems obsessed with getting a “30HR 100RBI” type, and that is not Belt.
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10:51 |
: I don’t think the Giants are going to be in a hurry to move Belt, and they know better than anyone that you don’t need a bunch of power all through the lineup in order to succeed. Of some note, Belt has twice as many career road homers as home homers. I imagine the main criticism here is consistency; Belt isn’t the day-to-day threat the Giants would like him to be
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10:52 |
: Trea Turner obviously has a great batting eye – he was running a 10% BB rate in AAA this year before the callup. But in the bigs it’s only been 3.2% – which, you don’t really care about when he’s hitting .336/.357/.550. Obviously he’s hot, but he’s also just getting so many strikes, and punishing them. I get pitchers really not wanting to give him a free base, given there’s a good chance he ends up on 2nd or 3rd very quickly, but what do you see changing in how he’s pitched, going forward? He’s obviously not *this* good (right?), but he’s also a guy who’s going to run a true-talent BABIP in the .350s, so there doesn’t really seem to be any easy answer here.
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10:53 |
: As pitchers start to look beyond Turner’s build and understand that he can really drive the ball, they’ll naturally start to avoid the zone and throw fewer fastballs. Already, his heater rate is fairly low. But as he proves he can punish strikes, he’s going to earn the walks he’ll start to draw in 2017. His bat-to-ball skill could be a little better but Turner couldn’t be having a better stretch
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10:54 |
: I need to get rolling — lots to do before a trip to a ballgame
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10:54 |
: So thank you everybody for hanging out, and I’m sorry for what I didn’t or couldn’t address. We’ll do it again next week at the same time, and until then, be well and have great days
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Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.