Joey Votto Is the Best at Another Thing

Think of some facts about Joey Votto.

Chances are that your brain just made a number of connections. The first things that came to mind were an image of Votto, the fact he plays first base for the Reds, and perhaps his number and his contract. He’s also Canadian, which you may have known. Once your brain had covered some basic personal data regarding Votto, you probably moved to a summary of him as a baseball player. His elite on-base skill, his patience, his power (when healthy) and the whole controversy about how aggressive he should be at the plate. Beyond that, perhaps you considered his WAR, his freakish ability to avoid pop ups and maybe even the fact he’s known as a contemplative guy.

The preceding paragraph is a flyover view of Votto. It’s the kind of thing an average fan of an American League team might be able to recite about him. He’s the Reds’ really good left-handed-hitting first baseman who has a big contract and is known for his high on-base percentage.

So while I hardly expect the average person or even the average FanGraphs reader to be a Votto scholar, there is one significant component to his game that doesn’t seem to receive enough attention: Joey Votto is extraordinarily good against lefty pitching.

Votto debuted in 2007 and has collected 1,472 PA against left-handed pitching. His slash line against southpaws during that span is .298/.399/.505, which is a .394 wOBA. He’s come to the plate 3,285 times against right-handed pitching and has hit .316/.434/.547 (.417 wOBA). That 23 point wOBA split doesn’t seem terribly exciting right off the bat. Since 2007, Votto is third in overall wRC+ among hitters with at least 1,000 PA, so that fact he’s good against righties and lefties doesn’t immediately seem like a revelation.

Take a step back and look at wOBA against left-handed pitching since 2007 for hitters who have at least 500 PA against lefties. Votto’s .394 wOBA ranks 19th. To find another lefty, you need to drop down to Daric Barton — at 75th — and his .361 wOBA in 577 PA. Chase Utley is next — at 83rd — with a .359 wOBA in 1,663 PA. Hideki Matsui, Nori Aoki, David Ortiz, Robinson Cano, Bryce Harper and Prince Fielder slot in between 117th and 126th with wOBAs — ranging from .343 to .347.

Keep in mind this is a low PA threshold. Asking for 500 PA against left-handed pitchers in a nine-year window should catch a lot of players.  It’s 333 hitters, 95 of whom are left-handed. You’re obviously going to miss players whose careers ended early in the window and players whose careers began late in the window, but that’s always true. Among the 95 left-handed hitters who got a decent number of plate appearances against left-handed pitching in the past nine years, Votto is significantly better than all of them. He appears to be uniquely positioned as the left-handed batter least vulnerable to being neutralized by a good southpaw.

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To give you a sense, left-handed hitters had a .295 wOBA against left-handed pitching in 2015. It was .324 against right-handed pitching. Putting it up against that backdrop makes it seem ordinary, but there’s a lot you miss when you just consider the overall average.

For example, many left-handed hitters don’t start if a tough lefty is on the mound, or they get pulled when a tough lefty comes into the game. You wouldn’t pull Utley, Ortiz or Cano when someone brings in Andrew Miller — but you would definitely pull someone like Alex Avila or Adam Lind. So in reality, the LHH vs LHP split oversamples good left-handed hitters and makes the average true-talent split much higher. So let’s take a look at those 95 lefties and plot their overall wOBA against their wOBA split for the same sample. Votto stands out big time.

LHB Batter Split More Names

This chart essentially communicates that left-handed hitters who are good overall are usually good because they hammer righties. There isn’t one way to be a valuable player, but Votto basically stands out as the only super-good, left-handed hitter without a sizable platoon split. Now, of course, we don’t want to confuse an observed platoon split over multiple years with a true-talent platoon split. You always want to regress a player’s observed split depending on the number of plate appearances and performance against both types of pitchers. For our purposes, though, the observational data is sufficient. Votto has done something remarkable, even if random variation drives some of its unusual nature.

You can also pull out some fun batter-versus-pitcher stats, if you’re into that kind of thing. While this doesn’t tell you much on its own, Votto had a 1.000 OPS against Madison Bumgarner, a 1.053 OPS against Cliff Lee and a 1.533 OPS against Gio Gonzalez. There are plenty of counter-examples, however, like his .393 OPS against C.C. Sabathia.

So we’ve established an interesting baseline: Votto is tremendous overall. He’s one of the best hitters in the game, period, and he’s also the only left-handed hitter who is anywhere close to the top of the “Versus Left-Handed Pitching” leaderboard. Votto makes his money by killing both righties and lefties in a way that’s quite unusual. What is it about Votto that makes him lefty-proof? I have a theory, but that’s all it is.

There are basically two reasons hitters have trouble with same-side pitchers. The first is we think it’s hard to make solid contact with a ball traveling away from you. So lefties can neutralize lefties with breaking balls, and righties can do the same to righties — especially utilizing sliders. We often think pitchers with good changeups are less prone to platoon splits because the changeup breaks toward the same-side hitter.

One explanation might be Votto is exceptionally skilled at handling breaking balls, but I can’t find any clear evidence that is the case. Maybe it’s true — as pitch sequencing and location are critical to a thorough analysis and beyond what we can analyze simply — but I think the cause is something else.

The other part of the platoon advantage, we think, is visual. The way batters are set up to face pitchers makes it harder to see the ball from the same-side pitchers. The ball is coming from behind them to some extent and the way vision works, perhaps hitters lose a fraction of a second in reaction time, meaning their brain calculates the expected location of the pitch a bit later than they’d like and it leads to slightly less favorable contact. This is why pitchers with lower arm angles seem to have bigger splits. Jared Cross’ recent work supports both of these platoon explanations.

Like I said, I have a simple theory that explains Votto. Obviously, he’s an amazing hitter, but there are lots of good lefties who can dominate righties without nearly as much success against lefties. Which brings me back to those Joey Votto facts.

Votto is known for his walks. He’s known for his patience. In other words, he’s known for his eye. His ability to discern balls from strikes is legendary. Votto is better than anyone at deciding which pitches are strikes and which aren’t.

It stands to reason that Votto has an exceptionally good view of the baseball, relative to his peers. Maybe that comes from the way he turns his head, the quality of his actual eyeballs, or his brain’s ability to process visual signals from his eyes. It would make sense that a lefty who could hit lefties would either have to be good at hitting sliders or would have some skill that mitigated the visual advantage left-handed pitchers seem to have.

Given that we think of Votto as having a great eye, could it be as simple as Votto merely being able to get a better look at left-handed pitchers than his fellow left-handed hitters? If platoon splits are driven in large part by visual factors, you would expect to see batters with good eyes have less pronounced splits. Obviously, FanGraphs doesn’t have the resources to put hitters through complicated visual tests to verify this claim, but it’s one that is at least intellectually satisfying.

Votto is known for being a great, patient hitter who is allergic to pop ups. Most right-handed bats would kill for Votto’s numbers against lefties. And while his year-to-year platoon split bounces around like we might expect, his overall career arc is pretty clear: he hasn’t been as vulnerable to lefties as most left-handed hitters. There has to be a reason why that’s the case. Variation is one factor, perhaps, but it’s not as if Votto is a little better or has only been better for a short time. This is sustained, substantial advantage.

The best theory I can spin is that something about Votto’s eyes allow him to see the ball from a lefty much better than other left-handed bats. While we can’t necessarily prove it, it makes sense. And it reminds us that having a good eye isn’t only about talking walks. It’s about laying off bad pitches so you can swing at good ones. It’s about squaring up the pitches you do swing at to get the maximum contact quality. Votto is about to finish in the top three in the National League’s most valuable player race in no small part because he dominates lefties in a way none of his peers do. Even though we appreciate so much about Votto, that particular fact hasn’t received the attention it deserves.





Neil Weinberg is the Site Educator at FanGraphs and can be found writing enthusiastically about the Detroit Tigers at New English D. Follow and interact with him on Twitter @NeilWeinberg44.

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Billy
10 years ago

Time and time again, Joey Votto is underrated by the general public. People think he’s overpaid because he doesn’t mash 40+ homers a year. The man has the best eye at the plate in the game and is arguably the hardest man to get out in all of baseball. The fact he never pops out is insane, add in his amazing eye at the plate, high walk rate and ability to hit to all fields and I can’t pinpoint a more appropriate hitter to have at the plate with the game on the line. Votto sets up to be the guy least likely to fail at getting the run home, or moving the runner up somehow. I sincerely wish Votto was a Blue Jay just so I could see more of him in action, but that will never happen sadly.

Yirmiyahu
10 years ago
Reply to  Billy

Votto facts are almost as fun as Harper facts.

Last 5 years, LH v LH, minimum 200 PA’s:
Votto has a 156 wRC+. The runner-up (Ortiz) has a 128 wRC+.
Votto has a .412 OBP. The runner-up (Mauer) has a .356 OBP.

Hillstead
10 years ago
Reply to  Billy

Votto’s easily my favorite player (and I’m a fan of an NLC rival), so this isn’t a knock, but I’m actually curious about your statement that you “can’t pinpoint a more appropriate hitter to have at the plate with the game on the line.”

Obviously “the game on the line” could many any number of scenarios, and if nothing else Votto is among the least likely to cause an out. But the general public complaint is that Votto’s likely to take a walk rather than “drive in the run”. That’s not an incorrect perception (if it’s an incorrect way to value a walk in the abstract), as his 1/5 walk rate was best in the league last year. But taking a walk isn’t worth much “with the game on the line”; hamfistedly, the odds of even two Joey Vottos in a row not making an out are .210. So, a player who’s more likely to make a difference-making hit (if less likely to not make an out) may be more useful “with the game on the line” than Votto, who may only allow the game to end another out.

This buys into the notion that Votto is more likely to take a walk than make a difference-making hit, which seems faulty: he was .001 SLG out of the top ten last year. But as a thought exercise, I’m curious if there’s a sweet spot for hitters “with the game on the line.” A high OBP is useful as much for not causing an out as it is for being on base to score a run, which over the course of a game and season is great. But are those advantages which play out over the long run the same as what you’d want “with the game on the line”?

Yirmiyahu
10 years ago
Reply to  Hillstead

It’s been said many times many ways, but Votto is not exchanging hits for his BB’s. No one (not even Harper or Trout or Cabrera) can produce good contact on pitches outside the zone. Hittable pitches are strikes, which (by definition) don’t result in walks.

Hillstead
10 years ago
Reply to  Yirmiyahu

My point regarding “not an incorrect perception” was poorly made; it was merely that people are observing him take many walks, some of which are perhaps at times when they’d rather have a “clutch hit” (but of course would much less rather have the out on a poorly hit ball).

Eric
10 years ago
Reply to  Yirmiyahu

whether the plate appearance outcome is a walk or a strikeout, *most of the time* a PA that ends either way HAS strikes looking, has strikes called where the batter did not get the bat off his shoulder to swing, or BOTH. So a batter winds up losing the higher value proposition of contact. If you aren’t sure, SWING! Because its a common philosophy that, there may be three strikes to this game called baseball, but 1) is for the Umpire, 2) is for the pitcher and 3) the third strike is for YOU, the batter. Swing the bat….the most important piece of real estate on the baseball diamond is HOME PLATE. If you don’t own it and protect it, and you would rather leave it up to the ump to decide your fate, you would be a weak hitter. Besides every REAL hitter knows, if you are any good at offense, you don’t want strikeouts or walks, you want hits, contact outs and errors. Walks are a low positive value outcome, not worth much, and strikeouts are valueless.

Captain Obvious
10 years ago
Reply to  Billy

Jose Bautista and Joey Votto batting back to back would drive pitchers nuts. Imagine the amount of back to back walks these guys would accumulate over the year?

Will Graham
10 years ago

I’m asking this here because I doubt I’ll get a response on Twitter. Why is Jorge Posada the top searched guy constantly? I WANT AN EXPLANATION SOMEONE PLEASE.

Also Votto is great.

ThomasMember since 2017
10 years ago
Reply to  Will Graham

Have the same question. The first couple times I saw it I wondered if there were some breaking news about Posada.

Bryz
10 years ago
Reply to  Will Graham
Well-Beered Englishman
10 years ago
Reply to  Will Graham

Also: when you type names into the search box, the order is really bizarre. For instance, type “Harper” and Brandon Harper (2006-2006) is ahead of Bryce. Barry Bonds is the #3 Barry behind Larkin and Zito. If you type “Babe,” however, Babes are listed alphabetically, so Ruth is near the very bottom. Even Joey Votto is the 4th-ranked Joey, behind Eischen and Gathright.

joser
10 years ago

This is what you tend to see when you run a query with no Order By predicate whatsoever — you get things spit out in whatever order the underlying DB software happens to like, which can even change from version to version (this is typically handwaved in the docs as the ordering being “undefined” or “unspecified”). It looks to me like it’s numerical order according to the underlying PlayerID: Barry Larkin is 335, Zito is 944, Bonds is 1109, and Wesson (who follows Bonds in the list) is 1552. An Order By lastname, or popularity (which they seem to be tracking) would seem to make more sense. It does appear that they Order By lastname when using the nickname column (eg Babe)

I can’t explain Posada always being the most popular, however, unless it’s some kind of in-joke. Or Jeff Sullivan gets up every morning and runs hundreds of pitch-framing queries that happen to cough up Posada, thereby giving him a boost.

ThomasMember since 2017
10 years ago

Could Votto’s reputation for great eyes also change umpire and LH pitcher behavior as well? It would seem that umpires are less likely to call the outside strike that they often give to LH pitchers vs LH hitters. If that were the case then it removes a portion of the advantage that LH pitchers usually enjoy.

John
10 years ago

Another thing which is remarkable about Votto is that he’s an incredibly good clutch hitter. His career batting average in high leverage situations is .370, in medium-leverage situations it’s .302, and in low-leverage situations it’s .306. The difference is way more than could be explained by chance variation.

willyg
10 years ago

I think votto’s tirade against that ump will cost him his ability to get all the border line calls that he used to get. In other words… He burned his bridges with the umpires.

Frogger
10 years ago
Reply to  willyg

How about umps don’t give anyone outside or inside pitches, but just call the strike zone. If a pitcher can’t get a guy out unless he gets balls called for strikes then he shouldn’t be getting the outs given to him. Also, before anyone says Votto gets less balls called strikes I would like to see data that supports this. Votto gets pitches incorrectly called against him all the time.

willyg
10 years ago

Also… Somebody has to be at the top of the list… Don’t they? So why be amazed that someone is at the top of the list???

Any fool can look at statistics. It takes intelligence to make sense of them.

dc
10 years ago
Reply to  willyg

What a stupid comment

“somebody has to be at the top of the list”

Ok so we should all stop being impressed by things because someone has to be first. What a loser attitude.

Ryan
10 years ago
Reply to  willyg

Did you not read the second half of the article? “Mak[ing] sense of statistics” is exactly what Mr. Weiberg did by explaining *why* Votto is so good against left-handers.

joser
10 years ago
Reply to  willyg

The barrier between fools and their comments is apparently even lower.

Dusty Baker
10 years ago

Well if he would have driven in a hundred runs last year, he might have carried his team to the playoffs. #twtw

Juan Gonzalez
10 years ago
Reply to  Dusty Baker

Truer words have never been spoken. All hail, RBI.

Stan J
10 years ago
Reply to  Dusty Baker

Not very likely. The Red were over 30 games out. It would have taken 30-40 more RBI from 3 or 4 more teammates to have had a chance. Even then, very unlikely.

X
10 years ago
Reply to  Stan J

woosh

Nathan
10 years ago
Reply to  X
Most Honorable Burrow Warden
10 years ago
Reply to  Dusty Baker

He kept clogging up those bases!

Royal Flush
10 years ago

As a fan of an AL team, I rarely if ever see Votto. I was very interested to see him and Chapman when KC went there this summer. He seemed very agitated. He was constantly staring down the ump anytime a pitch was called a ball and was full of weird faces the entire AB. He’d foul off a pitch and do gyrations with his shoulders and neck like he was an actor on a stage.

Just seemed like a dude who was so intense he would’ve rushed you like a bull in a china shop if you so much as looked at him wrong. Hyper.

joser
10 years ago
Reply to  Royal Flush

Votto seemed to be a little upset with umpiring in general this summer — he got ejected for arguing balls and strikes a couple of weeks after the Reds hosted the Royals. But historically he’s been one of the more unflappable guys — how often have you seen a batter do this?

Jordan
10 years ago
Reply to  joser

That whole incident with the ump in my opinion was just another example of umps thinking that they are part of the show. I as a fan am getting sick of it, when will umps understand that they are supposed to fade into the background. Maybe Votto’s reaction was over the top, maybe not, we really don’t know the entire happenstance but I’m willing to give Votto the benefit of the doubt since he hasn’t shown a history of blowing up.

Stan J
10 years ago
Reply to  Royal Flush

I agree. Votto often seems too wound up for his own good. He is a great player, but his contract is too big, and detrimental to keeping a good roster intact.

Rylan
10 years ago

It could be also about short contact oriented swings neutralizing the split. Votto, Utley and Aoki all have very sound swings.

psy jung
10 years ago

maybe votto, like a fish, evolved to have eyes on the side of his head? that would also explain his aquatic ways generally

Nevin Brown
10 years ago

I would look at hitters who hit to the other way producing smaller platoon splits. As a player allowing the ball to get deep and being able to drive the other way neutralizes the advantage of a good breaking ball. Also If you look at sequencing same handed pitchers tend to pitch same handed hitters away more. So votto being able to go the other way with authority means he’s able to drive pitches away better. Patience and the ability to go the other way probably are the reason for Votto’s success, but overall I would assume guys who go the other way show better platoon splits.

modsquad
10 years ago

I don’t know if this is something or not. Look at Votto’s head when he’s batting against lefties, it’s almost turned a complete 90 degrees. His chin is resting outside his right shoulder. It could be he squares up his vision more than others, giving him a straight look with his eyes close to centred.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAtmw6xL2qE

Eric
10 years ago

I have to disagree with this:

“Votto is known for his walks. He’s known for his patience. In other words, he’s known for his eye. His ability to discern balls from strikes is legendary. Votto is better than anyone at deciding which pitches are strikes and which aren’t. And it reminds us that having a good eye isn’t only about talking walks. It’s about laying off bad pitches so you can swing at good ones. It’s about squaring up the pitches you do swing at to get the maximum contact quality.”

Here is why I disagree:

PA = SO + W + CO + E + H
plate appearances equal strikeouts plus walks plus contact outs plus errors plus hits. Strikeouts are valueless. You cannot move any runners over that are already on base with a K, cannot drive in runs (RBI), or score a run yourself with a K. Walks are a low positive value outcome of a plate appearance. By walking to first base you are not in scoring position for your other teammates to drive you in, you can only move all other baserunners 1 base at a time at most, and while you can certainly score a run, you cannot drive any in.

Whereas all other outcomes are higher in value because they involve contact.

If Votto has such a great batting eye why does he strikeout MORE than he has walked for his career? It should be the other way around, walking more than striking out.
If Votto has such a great batting eye, why does he walk so much? Because I thought the definition of a hitter was to HIT, MAKE CONTACT. I mean outside of the dreaded 4 pitch walk, the 3-0, take a pitch then the pitcher throws ball 4, IBB, or being HBP without ever seeing a strike (those outcomes which you never see a strike to hit or get to swing the bat) ALL other walks contain at least 1 strike where you could have swung for contact and hits. Most walks contain a hittable strike.
Why burn through so many PAs that end with a walk or SO? 283 in 2015? Why take a pitch for a strike, if he hits the ball with such authority on a consistent basis?
Rate stats like BA/OBP/SLG/OPS can ring hollow if the volume isn’t there behind it. Its not all about opportunity and the teammates around him, its also about the mental approach to the game.

There were 27 other guys that beat out Votto’s production this year and all of them had lower rate stats than Votto. Because actual hitting AND contact is about ABs rather than PAs.

There is no doubt Votto is a great talent, but he does not get the most out of that talent – AND THAT IS ONE SCARY GOOD THOUGHT because it means he could actually be better than he already is with a better mental approach. With that better mental approach he could have been a 200 hit man in the 2010, 2011, 2013 and 2015 seasons.

Despite the 8th highest BA, the 2nd highest OBP, 1st in On base with a raw number 322 times, the 11th highest SLG, and 3rd highest OPS in all of MLB, despite all this he was

28 in production and
71st to 94th in HEWCO

Serbian to Vietnamese to French
10 years ago
Reply to  Eric

I disagree with this:

“Votto is known for his walk. He is known for his patience. In other words, it is known to the eye. Her ability to vary, the ball rebounded from the legend. Votto is better than anybody else to decide who will be the clearance and without attack. And remember with an eye not only tell the ORB. It’s bad football fields, so that you can hit good. It’s about to launch a strike for maximum quality of touch priblicavao. ”

This is why I don’t agree:

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promaljaje plate appearance of rain go pay “more” “of” hits. Izbaien is immoral. I can’t move an athlete is ready on the basis of K, I can’t drive down (RBI) or hit with the progress value chain is a positive result from the beginning of the Panel. While walking to first base, you can’t let your colleagues and drove for a TD, you can move all baserunners base 1 in most of the other, and as you can guess, I shouldn’t.

While the rest of the results were higher than the value, because it is related to the contact.

If the customer has a lot of why Votto Gaich recorded more than for his career. It should be the opposite, waste search engine.

If there are large rocks that surround Votto, why not? Because I think that the definition of success is success, do contact. Open court Straljni four stroke, 3-0, then put the pitcher throws four balls, or BHP Ib grounds do not see an attack (the result never saw smash hit or Bat Attack zamahnelj) all other areas that contain at least one attack, where you can go back and tap hits. Most tours include a large hittable strikes.

Why burn through so many dogs end up with walking, or so? 283 2015? Why the hit, if you hit the ball with the authorities on a regular basis?

Percentage statistics as a round hollow BA/hits/SLG/OPS if sound does not exist. All is not used the opportunity and those around him, is also a mental approach to the game.

There are 27 producers who have won this year, Votto and all have lower prices statistics Votto. Because of the actual impact and ABS exposure, for instance.

No doubt, this is a great talent, but Votto is not making the most talented and that’s a scary thought, because it means that it would be better if he actually has a road to better mental approach. With a spiritual approach better, it can kill a man 200 in season 2010, in 2011, 2013. and 2015. year.

Although most of the ball 8 2 views, 1 basically a few times, SIG, High 11 322, a maximum of 3 works in all major tournaments Baseball, although

28 in the production and

71-94 HEVCO

Bat Attack zamahnelj
10 years ago

Come to Transylvania and experience the Bat Attack zamanelj! Our bats LOVE contact, ha ha ha ha!

#KeepNotGraphs
10 years ago

Somebody please do a photo of Joey Votto surrounded by rocks.

Ghost of Bernanke
10 years ago
Reply to  Eric

Uhh… what?

27th in production?

I’m unaware of a metric called “production.”

I’m going to go out on a limb and guess you don’t know what wOBA is, nor how it is calculated. Walks are worth less than hits, yes, but not to the degree you are implying.

Dusty Baker
10 years ago

Because Woba, Yoba, Shmoba don’t reflect the right mental approach. Can’t you read?

Votto is a lazy S. O. B. Never does anything to turn those walks into productive at bats. Even McCutcheon tried to improve, cutting his hair to get rid of those dreaded 4 pitch walks, but that still wasn’t enough. You need the will to get your bat on the damb ball!