Juan Soto and Aaron Judge Are Creating a Historic Amount of Offense

Wendell Cruz-USA TODAY Sports

The other day, I swam through the soupy Delaware Valley air to catch the Phillies-Yankees game at Citizens Bank Park, mostly to see Juan Soto and Aaron Judge in person. I don’t know if you’ve heard, but these two dudes are both having monster seasons. Through Tuesday’s games, they were first and third in the league in WAR, first and second in walk rate, first and second in wRC+, first and second in OBP, and first and fourth in slugging percentage. For those of you who like to go old school, they’re also third and seventh in batting average, first and fourth in runs scored, and first and fifth in RBI.

Back in December, I predicted that something like this might happen, in an article titled “Juan Soto Is Going to Score A Bajillion Runs Hitting In Front of Aaron Judge.” Soto isn’t quite on pace to score a bajillion runs, but he is on pace for 132, which would be one of the 10 highest totals since the strike.

On Monday night, the big dudes gave me my money’s worth: Soto went 3-for-5 with two doubles, two runs, and three RBI. Judge went 2-for-5 with two home runs and three RBI. The Yankees put a huge hole in Zack Wheeler’s Cy Young case and left parts of the Phillies bullpen scattered around South Philadelphia, en route to a 14-4 win.

That might be representative for Soto and Judge, but it was uncharacteristically productive for the rest of the Yankee lineup. Three other Yankees also homered, including Jazz Chisholm Jr., who lined up at third base in Yankee road grays and immediately transformed into Home Run Baker.

See, once you set aside Soto and Judge, the Yankees lineup looks an awful lot like it should belong to a 78-win Angels or Marlins team. It’s a lot of OBPs in the very low .300s and a lot of SLGs around .400 or below. Maybe if this young guy adds two grades of power while cutting his strikeout rate by a third, and if the injury-prone guy stays healthy, and if the Quad-A slugger keeps hitting like an All-Star, and if four or five other things happen, maybe they’ll be on to something.

Now, drop the two best hitters in the world into that otherwise mediocre lineup and you’ve got the best offense in baseball by runs scored and wRC+. That’s why the Yankees swept the Phillies on the road, and why they’re in a tight three-way battle for the no. 1 seed in the American League.

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Nevertheless, the Yankees are highly reliant on their two best hitters. That much is obvious to anyone who looks at a team stats page, or even just watches the Yankees for any extended period of time. But I was curious how much of the Yankees’ offense so far this season has come from Judge and Soto. Fortunately, we can quantify that.

I’ve mentioned wRC+ twice already in this article, because as a park- and league-adjusted per-plate-appearance metric, it’s the best way I know to express offensive production as an easily digestible integer. Colloquially, 100 is average, more is better, less is worse.

But its antecedent, wRC (or weighted runs created) is a counting stat, like RBI or hits or WAR. It incorporates not just quality but quantity. The argument I’m about to illustrate with wRC could just as easily be made with RBI or WAR or any other counting stat, but this is the tool I like best for this job among the stats we have on the site.

Here are the top five in the league by wRC, as well as no. 3 through no. 5 among Yankee hitters:

League Leaders in wRC, Plus Top Yankees
Rank Player Team PA wRC
1 Aaron Judge NYY 478 119
2 Juan Soto NYY 482 106
3 Shohei Ohtani LAD 480 103
4 Bobby Witt Jr. KCR 472 95
5 Gunnar Henderson BAL 483 89
61 Anthony Volpe NYY 488 55
114 Alex Verdugo NYY 444 46
116 Gleyber Torres NYY 428 46
Stats Current Through 7/30

You see how big the drop-off is from Judge and Soto (and Judge in particular) to the rest of the league leaders, and how far down you have to go on this leaderboard before you find any other Yankees.

So far this season, the Yankees have produced 576.4 weighted runs created as a team, of which 224.6 have come from their top two hitters. In the table below, I’m going to give you those three bits of information for all 30 teams. It’ll make for a big table, but not only does having it allow you to contextualize Judge and Soto’s contributions, there’s some interesting trivia in here:

Offensive Share of Top Two Players on Each Team, 2024
Team Total wRC Top Two Top Two wRC Top Two Share
NYY 576.4 Aaron Judge, Juan Soto 224.6 38.97%
KCR 465.2 Bobby Witt Jr., Salvador Perez 153.8 33.07%
LAD 567.8 Shohei Ohtani, Freddie Freeman 181.8 32.01%
ATL 456.0 Marcell Ozuna, Austin Riley 143.0 31.37%
PIT 419.8 Bryan Reynolds, Oneil Cruz 123.1 29.32%
CIN 444.5 Elly De La Cruz, Jonathan India 130.1 29.26%
HOU 508.9 Yordan Alvarez, Jose Altuve 148.6 29.20%
TOR 451.3 Vladimir Guerrero Jr., George Springer 131.0 29.03%
CLE 458.0 José Ramírez, Steven Kwan 132.8 29.00%
BOS 548.5 Rafael Devers, Jarren Duran 158.8 28.96%
BAL 554.1 Gunnar Henderson, Anthony Santander 158.2 28.54%
OAK 464.4 Brent Rooker, JJ Bleday 131.2 28.24%
COL 463.5 Ezequiel Tovar, Ryan McMahon 130.3 28.12%
ARI 535.5 Ketel Marte, Christian Walker 148.0 27.63%
TEX 448.1 Corey Seager, Josh Smith 123.4 27.55%
WSN 433.6 CJ Abrams, Jesse Winker 118.8 27.40%
PHI 528.3 Bryce Harper, Kyle Schwarber 143.8 27.22%
MIA 385.3 Jazz Chisholm Jr., Bryan De La Cruz 103.6 26.89%
DET 429.6 Riley Greene, Matt Vierling 113.8 26.49%
TBR 446.4 Isaac Paredes, Yandy Díaz 116.4 26.07%
SDP 512.5 Jurickson Profar, Jake Cronenworth 132.7 25.88%
NYM 528.8 Francisco Lindor, Pete Alonso 136.8 25.88%
CHC 445.9 Ian Happ, Michael Busch 114.3 25.63%
MIL 514.8 William Contreras, Willy Adames 128.8 25.01%
CHW 348.9 Andrew Vaughn, Paul DeJong 84.1 24.11%
LAA 432.7 Nolan Schanuel, Taylor Ward 104.0 24.04%
STL 456.0 Alec Burleson, Brendan Donovan 107.6 23.60%
SFG 483.3 Matt Chapman, Jorge Soler 111.4 23.06%
SEA 426.3 Cal Raleigh, Julio Rodríguez 95.8 22.47%
MIN 518.8 Willi Castro, Carlos Correa 113.6 21.91%
Stats Current Through 7/30

First of all, you’ll notice that there are several players on this list who got traded in the past week; they’re listed with their old teams because, while the Marlins traded Chisholm, they get to keep all the runs he created for them beforehand.

There’s more than one way to build a good offense. There are good and bad teams sprinkled throughout this list — no. 1 is currently in a playoff position, but so is no. 30.

What I hope you get out of this chart is a sense of what is a normal percentage of offense for the two most productive hitters in a lineup to generate. Exactly 20 teams, or two-thirds of the league, get between 25% and 30% of their weighted runs created from their two top hitters. The Yankees, at 38.97%, are an enormous outlier, nearly six percentage points ahead of Kansas City.

If you want to sort solely by the runs created by the top two hitters, without factoring in the rest of the team, the Yankees are more than 40 runs clear of Shohei Ohtani and Freddie Freeman of the Dodgers, and a further 20-plus runs clear of anyone else. In other words, Judge and Soto have been 23.5% more productive than Ohtani and Freeman, a pair of recent MVPs having great seasons.

But wait, there’s more. I went back and ran the numbers dating back to the year 2000. (Excluding 2020, because the shortened season lends itself to weirdness.) Here’s how the current Yankees stack up in terms of greatest percentage of offense derived from a 1-2 punch:

Top 10 Offensive Share of Top Two Players, 2000-Present
Season Team Total wRC Top Two Hitters Top Two wRC Top Twp Share
2024 NYY 576.4 Aaron Judge, Juan Soto 224.6 38.97%
2001 PIT 634.8 Brian Giles, Aramis Ramirez 239.6 37.75%
2001 SFG 871.2 Barry Bonds, Rich Aurilia 326.2 37.44%
2002 SFG 826.2 Barry Bonds, Jeff Kent 305.6 36.99%
2013 CIN 692.2 Joey Votto, Shin-Soo Choo 250.6 36.20%
2014 ATL 582.8 Freddie Freeman, Justin Upton 206.0 35.35%
2010 STL 719.5 Albert Pujols, Matt Holliday 253.7 35.27%
2015 CIN 663.5 Joey Votto, Todd Frazier 233.2 35.15%
2000 MON 730.9 Vladimir Guerrero, Jose Vidro 255.6 34.97%
2001 LAD 735.4 Shawn Green, Gary Sheffield 255.3 34.72%
Stats Current Through 7/30

I’ll paraphrase what Meg said when I showed her an early version of this chart: You know this is a good measure of offensive top-heaviness because Barry Bonds And Friend appears twice in the top five.

This sample includes every player season of 300 or more plate appearances since 2000, as well as 24 seasons of team data — more than 700 team seasons and more than 6,000 player seasons in total. And this year’s Yankees are no. 1 by a mile. Nobody else is within a percentage point of them, not even the Barry Bonds and the Seven Dwarves lineups of the early 2000s. Only seven other teams, out of 720, got over 35%.

Statistical Potpurri of the Top-Heavy Offense Chart
Total Team wRC Top Two WRC Top Two Share
Max 996.4 326.2 38.97%
Min* 492.9 104.7 17.24%
Mean* 736.5 201.7 27.36%
Median* 733.2 200.5 27.39%
*Does not include 2024

Historically, the numbers line up pretty well with 2024: The average is in the mid-27% range, with one standard deviation from the mean running from 24.19% to 30.52%. This year’s Yankees are 3.67 standard deviations above the mean in terms of percentage offensive share generated by their top two hitters.

The 2024 season isn’t over yet, obviously, so in order to figure out how Judge and Soto compare to some of the top duos of the 21st century, we have to project a little. They are, hilariously, already some 20 runs clear of the mean wRC for a top duo since 2000, despite having more than 50 team games to go.

Extrapolating the Yankees’ schedule out to 162 games, Soto and Judge are on pace to combine for 333.8 weight runs created, which would be the best total for a two-man partnership since 2000. Only four duos have even broken 290 runs in a season: Bonds and Aurilia and Todd Helton and Larry Walker in 2001, Bonds and Kent in 2002, and Ronald Acuña Jr. and Matt Olson last year. This not being a league-adjusted stat, the top 10 is mostly from the early 2020s, with the exceptions being last year’s Braves and Dodgers (Freeman and Mookie Betts).

The Yankees, as a team, are on pace for 856.6 wRC, which would make them — by this metric — the 64th-most productive offense of the 21st century, exactly 140 runs short of the record holders, the 2003 Boston Red Sox.

The projected wRC total for the Yankees without Judge and Soto is 522.8 runs. Taking the 690 full-season totals since 2000 and removing the two most productive hitters from each lineup, 522.8 runs would put the Yankees in a tie for 396th, with the 2006 Nationals and 2013 Dodgers.

It’s obvious that Judge and Soto are having incredible seasons and carrying an otherwise lackluster Yankee lineup. But even though everyone accepts this premise as true, it’s true to a degree that absolutely beggars belief.





Michael is a writer at FanGraphs. Previously, he was a staff writer at The Ringer and D1Baseball, and his work has appeared at Grantland, Baseball Prospectus, The Atlantic, ESPN.com, and various ill-remembered Phillies blogs. Follow him on Twitter, if you must, @MichaelBaumann.

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JV19
1 year ago

Man, the Votto-Choo duo was a fun year of baseball.

Thatguy47
1 year ago
Reply to  JV19

Never realized Miguel Cabrera put up a 193 WRC+ that year. Thought he maxed out in the 170s. Pretty insane.

AnonMember since 2025
1 year ago

No chart of the lowest %?

It has to be a team that’s really balanced so they could be good or bad, but I suppose not too good since really good teams have MVP-caliber players that are simply better than everyone else. But it also can’t be some terrible team since there is always at least a guy or two that put together passable seasons.

The 2004 DBacks went 51-111 but Shea Hillenbrand still managed an OK season and Luis Gonzalez was still good (until they traded him at the deadline anyway) and I have them at 24.02% which isn’t too far off the mean/median.

On the other end of the spectrum would be the 2001 Mariners who went 116-46. They had a lot of guys have good years but Boone and either Ichiro or Edgar (they tied) still had much better years than everyone else and went for 26.04%

So I suppose it has to be some nondescript near .500 team that just bored everyone to death.

I gotta at least know who the 17.24% is. . . .

EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  Anon

I would have guessed the 2002 Royals, but they had Mike Sweeney’s 5 WAR season, Raul Ibanez, and a young Carlos Beltran.

Maybe the ’02 Tigers? Randall Simon and Robert Fick were their best hitters. Nope, they ended up at 24.5%! That’s actually shocking, though considering that the entire offense is terrible it makes sense, I guess.

Last edited 1 year ago by EonADS
EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  EonADS

EDIT: Disregard this. It’s not made clear in the table that each of those stats “team wRC, top 2 wRC, and Top 2 Share wRC” are from different teams, but that’s where my disconnect is.

Last edited 1 year ago by EonADS
AnonMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  Anon

Decided to check the Rays from 2000-2023 since it never seems like they have star players but they’re also always OK to good. Best I could come up with was 2018 when CJ Cron and Mallex freaking Smith (!?!?) combined for 20.37% of the Rays wRC+.

It’s trippy to look at the Rays’ offensive leaders over the years. So many just semi-random names in their top 2 by wRC+ over the years: Austin Meadows and Tommy Pham in 2019, Cron/Smith in 2018, Logan Morrison and Steven Souza in 2017, Brad Miller in 2016, Logan Forsythe in 2015. . .

EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  Anon

The crazy thing about the minimum percentage is that it almost had to be a bad team, because for two players to have that low of a combined share, they couldn’t have hit well at all. Either one was in the 70s of wRC and the other the thirties, or two 50s. 17.24% of a median team’s wRC+ is 126.36, or about 63.18 for each of the top two on average. That’s absurdly low. The 2002 Tigers had three full-time guys (minimum 490 PA) who were at or above that threshold.

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formerly matt wMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  EonADS

I was trying some guesses and I learned that Andy LaRoche had the second-most wRC for the 2009 Pirates and now I’m sad. (McCutchen 73, Andy LaRoche 68, team 629 for 22.4% which is one of the lower percentages I’ve got. Looking for teams that traded a bunch of position players might be worth trying.)

formerly matt wMember since 2025
1 year ago

It’s outside our remit, but the 1997 A’s got 21.9% from Jason Giambi and Mark McGwire, with McGwire getting traded during the season.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
1 year ago

My current best is the 2022 Royals, with Bobby Witt Jr. and MJ Melendez putting up 20.7% of the total.

…broke the 20% barrier! For the 2004 Royals, Matt Stairs had 68 and Mike Sweeney had 67 for 19.8% of the team’s 687.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
1 year ago

2019 Blue Jays are another sub-20% (Randal Grichuk and Vlad Jr.) but still looking for that 17.24%. And at this point I’m just lawnmowering. And remembering some guys. Eric Byrnes! Conor Jackson! Josh Willingham! Morgan Ensberg! Adam Kennedy! The 2009 A’s had Jack Cust and Adam Kennedy as a top two and somehow don’t break 20%.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
1 year ago

RED ALERT FOR ANYONE WHO IS STILL READING THIS THREAD AT THIS TIME: THE 17.24% HAS BEEN FOUND. I REPEAT: THE 17.24% HAS BEEN FOUND.

The answer is the 2023 Twins. Max Kepler had 76 and Carlos Correa and Edouard Julien tied with 66, while the team as a whole totaled 800. So it looks like the secret is “Have only one player on the entire team qualify for the batting title, and have that be a superstar who has a down year and also only gets 580 PA.” And this was a good offense, with a wRC+ of 109.

It’s kind of embarrassing that after all that the answer is a team from last year who we all remember, but I feel like this wasn’t remarked on very much at the time? Not that the Twins had a historical level of all-roundness in a stat nobody paid attention to, but that they had only one qualified batter? Like I’m sure we were talking about how the Twins were doing a lot of mixing and matching but that seems like a historically high level of partial seasons.

AnonMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  EonADS

I guess my thought is on a bad team the denominator stays low so even though they have bad players, there is a lower bar for the 2 best players to clear. On a good team it’s the opposite, the numerator is always going to be too high to get under 20%. That’s kind of why I was thinking it is probably teams around .500 that have very even rosters with no stars.

I’m also wondering if the lowest % teams might be something like a trade situation where a team’s best players are traded mid-season so the numerator is frozen but the denominator continues to run up. That’s part of the reason I went to the ’04 DBacks. They got off to a slow start that just never turned around and then blew everything up at the trade deadline when they were 33-73. They told Luis Gonzalez to go ahead with his elbow surgery that he had been putting off which ended his season (he was such an incredible liability in the field by that point as he could barely lob the ball in to the cutoff man just from normal depth, forget about from the track). They also traded 2 of their other 3 good players: Steve Finley and Roberto Alomar. The team they ran out the rest of that season was so incredibly abysmal.

But even with that: A) Hillenbrand was decent enough to run up a decent wRC, and B) Gonzo had been good enough and had played 4 months so he accumulated a decent total also. So they still exceeded 20%.

(Seriously, go pull up their lineups the last couple months of that season. They were running out guys as regulars that either never played before or after that year or only played a smattering ever again. Hard to imagine what their record would have been without Randy Johnson and Brandon Webb. That 2nd half of the season cost Unit the CY that year – he should be tied with Clemens for most CY ever since Clemens won it but didn’t deserve it)

EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  Anon

I guess that makes sense, but I think the threshold is too low for it to be just a middle-of-the-road team. 63 wRC is like a 100 wRC+ over 600 PA. Robert Fick’s 105 wRC+ season in 2002 produced 77 wRC over 614 PA! And again, that’s for a median team’s wRC.

If your two best hitters are expected to average about that much, your team isn’t winning much unless the pitching and defense is All-Time. So either the best hitters didn’t actually play the full 162 game season, which ended up with the team being bad because their best hitters were unavailable, or their best hitters were mediocre enough that the team was bad anyway.

Last edited 1 year ago by EonADS
Thatguy47
1 year ago
Reply to  Anon

I remembered Logan Forsythe as having had a better career than he did. Only 2 good years, 7.6 WAR for his career.

EstebanMember since 2020
1 year ago

I think their % of wRC will go down from this point. Not because I think they’ll hit worse, (though they’re both hitting so well that it’s not a lock they’ll sustain it) but because some of their hitters were unsustainably unproductive for a couple of months. Verdugo and Volpe might not be great hitters, but they’re not 40 wRC+ players, Austin Wells is getting much better results, Gleyber has been above average since the start of May, and Jazz Chisolm is replacing the playing time of DJ, JD Davis, and Jahmai Jones.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  Esteban

Verdugo and Volpe are both projected around 100 wRC+

EstebanMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Yeah and he’s at 91 so to get to 100 he’d have to do well for the rest of the season. And Volpe created a total of 17 wRC in June and July after producing 19 each for April and May.
Moreover, in June, no other player outside Judge and Soto produced more than 10 wRC. I don’t see that happening again.

jason shureMember since 2017
1 year ago

Bonds made the list with Rich Aurilia as his wingman, I mean come on

EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  jason shure

To be fair, that was the year Rich Aurilia had a 144 wRC+ with a .324/.369/.572 triple-slash and 7.1 fWAR.

jason shureMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  EonADS

of course. and yes, a sensible interpretation is “wow, Aurilia had that one good year, I kinda remember” and ponder one-hit wonders or PEDs or the value of protection in a lineup. My comment is more playful, less analytic.

EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  jason shure

We’re on an analytics website xD

JV19
1 year ago
Reply to  EonADS

Frazier hit .255.309.498 with a 116 wRC+ for the year with he and Votto.

That’s the worst season I could find on the list.

AnonMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  jason shure

One of the all-time fluke years, easily Aurilia’s best year by a lot.

Last edited 1 year ago by Anon
newsenseMember since 2020
1 year ago

This is a little biased towards Bonds and other NL teams w/o the DH, which only makes it more remarkable.

treebeardedMember since 2019
1 year ago

Great contextualizing! Now, the question is, why don’t teams just IBB both of those guys and take their chances?

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  treebearded

Because they make outs more often than not. Although their projected wRC+ of 170-185 is probably pretty close to what a 1.000 OBP and 0.000 SLG would be.

Believe it or not they have 9 guys with ZiPS projections in the 100-120 range

Last edited 1 year ago by Ivan_Grushenko
Rex Manning DayMember since 2022
1 year ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Strictly speaking, I think an all-IBB player would have a wRC+ well below 0, because wRC+ relies on wOBA, which strips intentional walks out of the calculation (i.e., said player would have a .000 wOBA).

But if we ignore that and count them as unintentional walks, and if I did the calculation right, then a NYY player who got a walk on every PA this year would have a wRC+ of 363.

So yeah, letting these guys get on base every time they come to the plate probably isn’t the best idea.

Last edited 1 year ago by Rex Manning Day
Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
1 year ago

I was amazed that Judge has only 7 IBB this season

TheGarrettCooperFanClub
1 year ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

It seemed like during that stretch when the Yankees were terrible he was getting unintentionally intentionally walked more. I don’t have any numbers to back this up, but it is just anecdotal from watching them. There were a few first innings where both him and Soto got on and they didn’t score.

puddles
1 year ago

There definitely was a lot of this.

For example, the Red Sox, Orioles and Mets in their recent series threw him a ton of breaking balls down and away to see if he would chase. He walked 16 times in those 8 games. While only 1 was intentional, there were a lot of non-competitive ABs from the pitchers.

sabr42Member since 2018
1 year ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Judge gets a lot of at bats where pitchers throw him 4 breaking balls off the plate to see if he’ll chase. He doesn’t.

ALLluckNOtalentMember since 2017
1 year ago

Doesn’t this mean the Bonds year are getting vastly underrated? If correct, wish this comment was higher so people could see it.

Lanidrac
1 year ago
Reply to  treebearded

Maybe if you had a late 1-run lead, and the Yankees had a runner on 3rd with 1 out with those two guys coming up.

MorlandMember since 2020
1 year ago

I wonder where Judge-Soto compares going back to 1900. Off the top of my head I would guess Mantle-Maris in 1961 might beat them but there’ve got to be some other interesting combinations.

Pepper Martin
1 year ago
Reply to  Morland

Off the top of my head, there’s the 1937 Cardinals. Joe Medwick had 168 wRC (this was the year he led the NL in H, R, 2B, HR, RBI, BA, SLG, and OPS); Johnny Mize had 139; and the team as a whole had 749 wRC. Gives their top 2 guys 41.0% of the team total.

AnonMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  Morland

I’ve got Mantle/Maris 1961 at 36.25% which pretty remarkable because they had a few other really good hitters and were a good team.

The team I’d focus on is the 1950’s and 1960’s Cubs who had 3 very good hitters but were continually bad teams – they only had 1 winning season between Banks’ rookie year in 1953 and 1966. So let’s see:
– the ’63 Cubs get to 35.76%
– the ’64 Cubs at 37.11%
– 1965: 40.16%
– 1966: 33.93%

They really truly had nothing after Santo, Williams and Banks in the 60’s

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
1 year ago

I wonder whether a lineup just in descending order of ZiPS ROS wRC+ would be more efficient

LF Judge – 184
RF Soto – 173
DH Stanton – 118
3B Chisholm – 118
2B Torres – 115
1B Rice – 112
CF Grisham – 105
C Wells – 103
SS Volpe – 100

OF Verdugo – 105

Break up Rice and Grisham if they want. That’s close to a generationally good lineup

mariodegenzgz
1 year ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Batting a generational home run hitter in the lineup spot where he’s going to see the least amount of baserunners seems… suboptimal to me. Now, if you wanna bat Soto leadoff and Judge 2nd? That I can understand.

If the Yankees had a proper leadoff man with, say, a .360 OBP, their usual lineup with Soto-Judge at the 2-3 would look way better.

JV19
1 year ago
Reply to  mariodegenzgz

Counterpoint, putting your best hitter first gives him the most PA.

Lanidrac
1 year ago
Reply to  JV19

More PAs for your best hitter don’t matter if they don’t actually help the team score as many runs.

Make WAR Not LoveMember since 2022
1 year ago
Reply to  mariodegenzgz

That lineup is in descending order of wrc+, not the actual batting order, not that it makes that much of a difference.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  mariodegenzgz

Ya that would be fine.

AnonMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

1975 Reds:

Morgan 176
Bench 140
Foster 139
Rose 138
Perez 126
Griffey 126
Geronimo 93
Concepcion 91

Concepcion and Geronimo didn’t hit much but won GG that year (& were much better hitters in the years around 1975)

Dan Driessen put up a 131 and only managed 249 PA because he wasn’t any better than the starters and none of the starters missed many games.

MikeD
1 year ago

IIRC (and I might not), a number of the Yankees hitters had wRC+’s at or north of 100 for the first two and/or three months of the year. Volpe and Verdugo did complete collapses thereafter, Stanton went on the IL, I believe even Trevino was over 100. We often think of lineup protection as the batter behind a great hitter, but for over a month the Yankee hitters all collapsed. Judge and Soto had no protection behind them or in front of them. Reality is they weren’t the .700 team they were the first three months, and they weren’t the .300 team the were for about six weeks. Those are the extremes. The regression hit hard and all at once. Moving forward? Stanton is back, Verdugo seems to have remembered he could hit, Chisholm has joined the lineup, and Torres and Volpe seem to be hitting too.

Soto and Judge are so good that they’re going to form a large chunk of the offense, but I suspect the rest of the team will be better the last couple months, eating a bit into the Judge/Soto percentage.

A team with two historic hitters doesn’t need to surround them with studs. They need to surround them with 6 or 7 other league-average, 100 wRC+ hitters, and the runs will come with greater consistency. A lot of them. The Yankees extremes the last few years are being driven by not having enough league-average hitters.

Last edited 1 year ago by MikeD
Raoul RaoulMember since 2017
1 year ago

I’ll paraphrase what Meg said when I showed her an early version of this chart: You know this is a good measure of offensive top-heaviness because Barry Bonds And Friend appears twice in the top five.

I’m going to have to see the raw calculations for this. Barry Bonds had a friend?

jtsnowdayMember since 2022
1 year ago
Reply to  Raoul Raoul

He probably did, but it definitely wasn’t Jeff Kent

Jon L.Member since 2016
1 year ago

Hey, I’m not understanding this sentence: “Soto isn’t quite on pace to score a bajillion runs, but he is on pace for 132, which would be one of the 10 highest totals since the strike.”

Since the strike was resolved in 1995, I see 31 seasons of at least 132 runs, 27 with more. (In the AL only, it’s 15 with 132, 13 with more.) If I try using “pandemic” instead of “strike”, I see only 2 better seasons, meaning it would be top 3.

Am I misunderstanding, or is this misstated?

Last edited 1 year ago by Jon L.
Jason BMember since 2017
1 year ago

Rich Aurilia and Jeff Kent were no slouches, but Barry Bonds is doing a lot of (performance-enhanced) heavy lifting in that top 10 chart 😀

Jason BMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  Jason B

It’s akin to the leaderboard of all-time home runs by brothers – record is held by Hank and Tommy Aaron with a combined 768: Hank with 755 and Tommy with 13