Ken Giles: Jerome Holtzman’s Final Victim?
On Monday, Astros manager A.J. Hinch told reporters that Luke Gregerson would start the season as his team’s closer. Given Gregerson’s successful stint as closer in 2015 and his general track record of success in recent years, such an announcement might sound like a formality. After all, “Team’s Good Closer to Remain Closer” is not exactly newsworthy.
What made the announcement interesting is that over the winter the Astros traded Vincent Velasquez, Mark Appel, Thomas Eshelman, Harold Arauz, and Brett Oberholtzer to the Phillies for Ken Giles and Jonathan Arauz. Giles, as you likely know, had been extraordinary in relief over his first 115.2 innings in the majors and could easily be considered one of the best five or ten relievers in the game. Naming Gregerson the closer and Giles the setup man raised some eyebrows given the price the Astros paid to acquire Giles four months prior.
It doesn’t matter if you subscribe to the projections, recent performance, or a simple visual analysis of their stuff, Giles grades out better. We project he’ll beat Gregerson’s ERA and FIP by 0.30 to 0.40 runs this year and Gregerson has never had a season on par with Giles’ performance to date. Both generate lots of swinging strikes, but Giles has the velocity that appeals to scouts. Gregerson is a very good reliever, but there isn’t a plausible case to be made that he’s better than Giles. Yet when Hinch went to the bullpen on Tuesday, it was Giles in the eighth and Gregerson in the ninth.
The sabermetrician in me celebrates this as a watershed moment for optimal reliever usage. After all, we have been asking managers to avoid confining their best relievers to save situations for years and this move would seem to open up Giles for high-leverage moments in the sixth, seventh, and eighth innings. A win for modern thinking!
Giles is arguably one of the best relievers in the game and his manager has stated clearly that he will not be restricted to the save situation. If there are two men on and one out in the seventh inning, Hinch will be able to call on Giles without opening himself up to all sorts of second guessing and ruffled feathers. In a perfect world, Hinch would have named no closer at all and left himself open to using Gregerson with similar flexibility, but this certainly looks like a step in the right direction. Get ready for Ken Giles, Relief Ace.
Yet something about this decisions doesn’t sit right. While the Astros are certainly forward-thinking, the likely explanation for Hinch’s decision is that Gregerson has a guaranteed contract and Giles will soon be heading to arbitration and will make more money during that process if he accumulates saves. While everyone is slowly getting on board with the idea that saves don’t reflect reliever quality, the arbitration system, which is built on comparing players to other players, still does. And the system rewards relievers who earn saves.
In other words, the decision to use Giles earlier in games will save the Astros money and probably won’t cost them any wins. In fact, if we’re right about bullpen roles, it will actually help the team win by freeing Hinch to use Giles in a variety of situations and innings. This seems to be a case in which the economical choice for the Astros to do (depress Giles’ save total) actually lines up with the club’s short-term competitive incentives (use Giles in many different innings).
We’re accustomed to seeing teams trade a small amount of competitive value for long-term financial gains when it comes to service-time decisions. Teams regularly give away a few weeks or months of value to push back a player’s free agency or arbitration clock. As analysts, we accept that strategy as something that hurts the team (and player) in the short run but which also serves their long-term interests, because the millions saved overwhelm the small number of wins lost while an inferior player gets reps with the big-league club. But the Giles/Gregerson case and the lower profile ones that have come before indicate a legitimate flaw from the player perspective, as the team is not being asked to make a competitive trade-off in exchange for their financial gain.
In the case of Giles, the Astros don’t have to weigh the short-term competitive cost against the long-term gain, because there likely isn’t a short-term cost. Even if you think one exists, it would be tiny compared to the millions they will save by limiting Giles’ save total. In reality, the Astros are gaming the system by taking a player who should earn substantial arbitration salaries given his performance and limiting that future income that by using him in a role that arbitration does not reward.
Put another way: Giles has a financial incentive to be used in a way that is less beneficial to his team’s chances of winning. This is a perverse structure in need of realignment. We’ve long since known that saves are a worthless measure of reliever performance, but the arbitration system still pays relievers for accumulating them. Getting a save is better than blowing a save, of course, but there are lots of ways to get a save and then pitch worse than guys who didn’t get a save chance at all.
The Giles/Gregerson case highlights why the practice of rewarding saves in arbitration needs to change. It’s one thing to put management against labor in a battle for wealth, it’s another to put players in a position where they are trying to pitch their way out of a more important role to improve their earning potential.
There are essentially two ways to change this system. The first option is to wear it down piece by piece, with arbitrators slowly de-emphasizing saves until the pool of well-paid past awardees contains non-closers. To accomplish this, non-closers would ask for higher awards armed with more useful stats, but teams could also use this strategy to pay mediocre closers less. The second option is to collectively bargain saves out of the arbitration process. This seems less likely, given that many players and teams still believe in the value of saves, but it would be a more decisive blow to the current order.
It’s common practice in sabermetrically inclined writing to extol the virtues of teams who get more bang for their buck, because that means those teams can invest their savings in something else that will help them win. Depressing Giles’ long-term earnings is such a strategy, but it comes with a side of ethical ambiguity that isn’t as simple as management and labor fighting over a pot of money.
The problem is that it does actually make good baseball sense to keep the team’s best reliever away from the closer’s role. The Astros are getting the best of both worlds, and it’s a bit more difficult to argue on behalf of Giles in this case because this is what’s best for the 2016 Astros’ chances of winning a championship — a goal which he certainly shares. It’s clearly not fair to Giles, but it’s also difficult to criticize a team which is using its players in the most effective way possible.
Giles’ case has the potential to change things, because there is no pretense behind which to hide. Giles was an established closer and the team paid a small fortune to acquire him. He’s their best reliever and he won’t be asked to get saves (at least for the time being) to his financial detriment. This isn’t Giles’ fault and it’s not the Astros’ fault for stumbling into a win-win. The system is the problem and needs to be dismantled. Perhaps this shining example of its flaws will be the impetus for change and signal the beginning of the end for baseball’s worst statistic.
Neil Weinberg is the Site Educator at FanGraphs and can be found writing enthusiastically about the Detroit Tigers at New English D. Follow and interact with him on Twitter @NeilWeinberg44.
The obvious explanation – Hinch has an OttoNeu team, and one of his competitors owns Giles.
But before anybody beats me to it, let me just say it for you: “Nobody cares about AJ Hinch’s fantasy team.”
It’s a little unclear what the reference to Holtzman is….
I had to look it up: He invented the save statistic.
For those who don’t know, he’s seen as the creator of the save stat.
He is credited for “inventing” the save statistic.
We’ll pretend I logged in as “echo chamber” and said that Holtzman invented the save statistic.
Logging in…sigh…
Who says Giles is going to arbitration? The Astros were very generous to Keuchel last year in his first year of arbitration eligibility, setting a record w/o going to arbitration. They could, and I expect the Astros will avoid arbitration with Giles and pay him commensurate to his value to the team. Arbitrators will take notice of this (and the lack of saves) and use Giles comparables for RPs in the future.
“The Astros were very generous to Keuchel last year in his first year of arbitration eligibility, setting a record w/o going to arbitration. ”
Yes.
“the Astros will avoid arbitration with Giles”
Yes.
“and pay him commensurate to his value to the team”
No, they will pay him a little more than he might expect to get in arbitration, based on the system’s history of devaluing non-closer relievers.
“Arbitrators will take notice of this (and the lack of saves) and use Giles comparables for RPs in the future.”
And slowly, over time, the salaries of non-closer RPs will increase. This is the “wear it down piece by piece” method that the author was talking about.
“Whether it’s the eighth inning or ninth inning, [Vizcaino] is going to face the tough part of the order,” Gonzalez said. “Today, it just so happened to be the eighth inning. We’ve got to think outside the box a little bit. Today, it kind of materialized.”
If Fredi can do it, anyone can!
Yeah, I think this is a valid point. Its seems the new philosophy in baseball is to use your best pitcher in high leverage situations….not necessarily one arbitrary inning. So the Astros choose to view their relief pitcher that way, how is that their problem.
The problem is more with the agents and the arbitration process — as an agent you make your arbitration pitch to the panel, given all the stats in baseball, the agents need to come up with a better way to quantify high leverage situations and relative value of a relief pitcher better to de-emphasize the Save stat. If they can accomplish that, the values will certainly change.
Agents are limited to certain stats in arbitration. As such, it is hard for them to make an objective argument for relievers. It is on the process only.
Astros will still likely shackle Giles to eight inning and with Gregorson closing…he’ll likely not be used in high leverage 9th innings even if Hinch using Giles more as an ace reliever. The short term costs will still likely be minimal, but I see nothing that says Astros are being savvy stat heads by this decision outside of long term benefits. Granted, Astros are typically savvy stat heads.
Many ‘+++’s here. And we’ll soon see.
It’s less about trying to save a little bit of money in a couple of years when a player is arbitration (which is clearly throwing the baby out with the bath water in terms of intentionally pissing off an asset), but more about promoting a culture of meritocracy. Giles had a rough spring so they let the guys who was an excellent closer stay in that role. Having Giles not pitch the 9th for now will ease up the pressure for a guy who was paid a king’s ransom to get here. The Astros did the right thing in letting him earn his closer role and he will in a few months.
Yeah, if Giles had looked something other than awful this spring then he presumably would have been the new closer. It’s fair for Neil to discuss the other potential factors, but to not even mention Giles’ struggles is rather disingenuous.
It will be interesting to see what happens the next time Keuchel goes 8 and the Astros head to the 9th with a 1-run lead.
I think a fallacy is being employed here – but I may be wrong. I thought that current standard reliever usage still results in the closer being used in higher leverage situations than the set-up guy. So it actually doesn’t “make good baseball sense to keep the team’s best reliever away from the closer’s role.” That is a myth.
The Relief Ace dreamt of by “modern thinking” is not what Giles will be used as. That relief ace would get a bunch of save opportunities, just not as many as the current standard closer.
Many ‘+++’s for this guy too.
There also is the fact that Giles has been very shaky so far this year. This was on full display yesterday the guy had no idea where any of his pitches were going except for the slider. Was especially evident on the meatball he served up to the first Yankee he faced. As Astros fans we were very happy the Astros got those insurance runs knowing Giles was coming in yesterday.
“so far this year” he’s pitched in one game… if you’re here reading FanGraphs, I assume you understand SSS…
Wow, coming back and reading this, that was a really bitchy comment that I made. Sorry I went too far.
My guess is that Giles will soon start outpitching Gregorson, will stay securely in the 8th inning, and it will be clear to all that the Astros are just trying to save $$$ at his expense. Resulting in one unhappy clubhouse when all his teammates line up behind him.
And it’s time to get past this stupid idea of rushing ace relievers into the game to put out fires which develop way too quickly to make that feasible. It’s a dumb and impractical idea whose sole grace is allowing we statheads to feel superior to the real professional decisionmakers. Relievers hate being rushed into games.
This is a pretty disingenuous version of the “ace reliever” argument. (Perhaps to make you feel superior to the common stathead?)
Ehh, I think it’s only slightly disingenuous. Often, using the best reliever in the 6th and 7th inning with guys on base IS part of the Ace Reliever argument – and it often doesn’t take into account the feasibility. It may not be the key point of the idea, but I see it occasionally packaged along with other more feasible parts of the idea.
Not hard to get a guy warm for the 3-4-5 hitters in late innings. Look at the lineup card. Call the pen. Relievers get up – sit down – get up – sit all the time. Managers can deploy their best players smartly.
I don’t think that’s what Richie is referring to; he means the idea of bringing your best reliever into the game in the 6th or 7th inning when a couple runners get on base.
That’s totally different than bringing him in for the 3-4-5 hitters in late innings.
I’m surprised no one has mentioned that Gregerson has incentives tied to saves (meaning the Astros pay him more money by keeping him as the closer), and moving him out of the closer role when he’s done nothing to merit that “demotion” would be seen as a slight against him. Giles isn’t the only player at issue here.
I’m really having trouble seeing the other Astros players “line up behind” Giles, if for no other reason than that would look an awful lot like lining up against Gregerson. Gregerson has been an effective closer and, by all indications, a good clubhouse guy, and as long as he doesn’t implode this season, I doubt there will be any big push to replace him with Giles.
I hadn’t heard anywhere – like, for instance, in the above article – about Gregerson’s saves incentives. Yeah, even if those are relatively dwarfed by Giles’ arbitration ones, I’ll fully walk back my ‘clubhouse’ argument.
Gregerson can earn a MAX of $2.5M in incentives over 2016-2017, and that’s only if he finishes at least 57 games in both years (he finished 53 in 2015).
The difference can be much greater with Giles. Relievers who mostly set-up but also have a handful of saves (and are not full-time closer in their last pre-arbitration year) tend to earn about $2.5M in arbitration — Drew Storen and Mark Melancon are recent examples.
There aren’t a lot of relievers who make it to their first arbitration hearing with three years of saves under their belts, but those who do get PAID. Trevor Rosenthal just earned $5.6 in his first trip, and that was with just two years as closer (96 total saves with a 2.65 ERA, which would be a reasonable estimate for Giles in two years if he was full-time closer for HOU). This ~$3M gap compounds every year in arbitration, so you’re looking at a ~$9M savings for HOU from 2018-2020, which is much more than Gregerson’s incentives.
Yeah, but re my specific concern about the clubhouse, Gregerson’s incentives are enough to keep Astros players from getting angry on Giles’ behalf.
Thank you for some of the specifics.
I hope Giles’ agent prints this article out and takes it with him to his client’s arbitration hearing.
“[W]e have been asking managers to avoid confining their best relievers to save situations for years and this move would seem to open up Giles for high-leverage moments in the sixth, seventh, and eighth innings. A win for modern thinking!”
Well, not really, as specifying that Giles is not the closer means that he won’t be pitching in the highest leverage situations occurring in the ninth. Sure it adds flexibility, but high leverage situations still mostly accumulate in the ninth. By preventing Giles from pitching in that inning, I wonder if they don’t surrender as many high leverage situations as they are gaining in other innings.
In short: holding on to a set closer is a sub-optimal strategy, but if you choose to do so, you are best off with putting your best reliever in that role.
Whatever happened to Meltdowns and Shutdowns? I mean, I know they still exist on FG’s Reliever Win Probability Leaderboards but nobody talks about them anymore. And, actually, now that I look at that leaderboard I think I see why — when the range of values for a counting stat is 0 to 2, it’s a pretty uninteresting (or uninformative) counting stat. Which suggests maybe we need to rework the definitions so that we actually have interesting alternatives to the Save stat that work for a broader range of relievers than just those who typically pitch in the 9th?