Kendall Graveman on Cutters, Contact and Spin Rates
Kendall Graveman pitches to contact with a sinker and a cutter. He throws the former better than half the time and the latter nearly a quarter of the time. Working down and skirting sweet spots is his thing. Punch-outs aren’t. The rookie righty has a worm-killing 47.4% ground-ball rate, but fans a paltry 5.66 batters per nine innings.
Obtained by the A’s as part of last winter’s Josh Donaldson package, Graveman is inducing plenty of outs. The 24-year-old Mississippi State product has allowed just 12 runs over his last eight starts. The stingy outings were preceded by a month-long stint in Triple-A following five mixed-bag performances to begin the season.
Graveman discussed his repertoire and approach, including how TrackMan data has influenced each, when Oakland visited Fenway Park in early June.
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Graveman on his cutter: “I was trying to figure out how to get a pitch to move hard in to a lefty and hard down-and-away to a righty. Once I did, it was, ‘Hey, I can do this, I’m able to shape up a pitch like that.’ Then it became, ‘Can I repeat it? Can I locate it to both sides of the plate and be consistent with it?’ It was a process. I worked really hard on it between starts in the Florida State League, and once I really figured it out, I could not only throw it, I could get bad swings from hitters.
“Over time, I’ve been able to throw it backdoor to lefties and front hip to righties. It’s changed a little bit. Now I’m able to elevate it when I want to. Some days it’s more like a true cutter and other days it acts like a hard slider. Some days it’s more of a contact pitch and some days I get a little more of a swing-and-miss. Depending on how it’s shaping up, we’ll use it in different counts and situations. One thing that hasn’t changed is the velocity. It’s been 86-88 and plays well off of my sinker.
“The grip may change a tad depending on how I feel. I might hold it a little bit deeper in my hand, or a little bit looser. Sometimes the weather plays into it – a colder day, or a day that’s warmer or has a little more humidity. I usually figure that out in the bullpen before I enter the game. I’m primarily trying to shape up to one pitch, but there’s also a positive that goes along with doing different things in different outings, as long as I’m able to control it.”
On getting good extension: “That’s part of pitching mechanics. The further you throw the ball out front, the better movement you’re going to create, But if I’m throwing the cutter, and I throw it out front more and keep my fingers on top, sometimes I get more depth. A lot of times with the cutter, I’ll keep my front shoulder closed just a tad more, to create that not-opening-up and getting on the inside of the baseball. If I stay on the right side of the baseball when I throw it. and the timing is off just a tad, I’ll get some different movement.”
On his complementary pitches and changing speeds: “I throw a two-seam circle change-up and use it against both lefties and righties. One thing I’ve been working on is creating a speed difference of 8-9 mph instead of 5-6.
“I’m also throwing a breaking pitch that’s in-between a slider and a curveball. It’s more of a slurve and we use it for the change of speed that it creates. It’s been a front-to-back change-of-pace pitch with a little depth. If I’m mainly throwing sinkers and cutters, and hardly any changeups, everything is 86 and above — 86 to 91 or 92.”
On pitching to contact: “That’s been my whole thing, my whole career. Can I consistently get a guy out with the first three pitches? Can I get a ground ball? My ground-ball rate is pretty high, so if you look at that, you’re probably going to say, ‘Well, he’s not creating a lot of swings-and-misses.’ Then again, I’m not trying to create swings-and-misses, not unless I have to. If we have second and third with less than two out, then maybe I have to go more for a strikeout. Situations present themselves where I try to be a little more fine, but I’m primarily trying to get outs with a pitch early in the count.
“Some people spin the ball well and can create swing-and-miss with their fastballs. I’m trying to pitch to contact. I’m trying to get my third baseman, my shortstop, my second baseman and my first baseman all into play. Since I got called back up, I’ve been getting ground-ball outs and that’s what I’m trying to do. It gets me deeper into ball games.”
On TrackMan: “We had TrackMan set up in our facility at Mississippi State and I learned a lot about it then. I’ve played with guys who spun the ball really well, and they were creating swings-and-misses off the fastball, throwing with the same velocity as I was. I wasn’t sure why. Then we got TrackMan and it really opened up our eyes. ‘Hey, this is why this guy throws more ground balls, this is why some guys pitch more to contact, this is why some guys get more fly balls and miss more bats.’ I learned my identity. ‘This is who I am; this is the type of pitcher I am, and I need to pitch to it and perfect it.’
“If you’re in the gray area – if you spin the ball in the middle (range) – sometimes you want to either create less spin or more spin. But with me, I’m just trying to be consistent with what I’m doing. I’m trying to throw sinkers in the bottom of the zone and see how much weak contact I can create.
“Less spin on the ball creates more (downward) movement. But with more spin, you create more swing-and-miss, like we were talking about. The perceived velocity of a 91 mph fastball with more spin will look more like 93-94. That’s why you see guys late on 91 or 92 and you’re like, ‘Why is he late on that when he’s not late on my 91-92?’
“I don’t look at my (TrackMan data) here, but I could get it if I wanted to. I feel comfortable where I am right now. I understand where I’m at, and I understand it’s probably not changing much. It was good to get a basis and a knowledge, but I don’t think you want to put all of your eggs in that basket. What I need is to make pitches and create pitches, and hit a target.”
David Laurila grew up in Michigan's Upper Peninsula and now writes about baseball from his home in Cambridge, Mass. He authored the Prospectus Q&A series at Baseball Prospectus from December 2006-May 2011 before being claimed off waivers by FanGraphs. He can be followed on Twitter @DavidLaurilaQA.
Great article! Thanks
Since being recalled from AAA:
8 GS
53.2 IP
2.01 ERA
3.76 FIP
3.82 xFIP
The only Jays starter who’s comparable to those is Drew Hutchison, who’s ERA is hurting him but has been otherwise pretty good. I find it odd how quickly people are to point out Donaldsons SEVERE splits (seriously, his OPS is .703 away from Toronto) as the trade being a “terrible deal” for Oakland when in actual fact the Jays probably would have been better off with Lawrie+Graveman over Donaldson+Sanchez.
Kendall Graveman is a very, very good pitcher. One the Jays needed. The instead got Donaldson, who while fantastic, wasn’t exactly necessary with Lawrie being on the team. Such a bizarre trade from both sides that will either end up even or with Oakland on top.
Those last two statements sure is a lot of gumption.
Donaldson’s on track for a 7-8 WAR season, Lawrie + Graveman will probably top out at 3-4 WAR if they’re lucky. And the Jays have him at relatively discounted rates right through his prime years. You say Graveman is a “very, very good pitcher” while Donaldson is merely “fantastic”, but those vague adjectives obscure that in all likelihood Donaldson is worth about 3 times as much as Graveman for the next few years.
I’m not saying that the trade won’t end up being more even or even a success for the As, but the idea that the Jays would be better off right now if they hadn’t pulled off the trade is patently absurd. They traded some of their future in order to win now, and it’s working.
Is it working though? Their starting rotation contains RA Dickey, Marco Estrada & Norris & Sanchez had FIPs over 5. My point is, they didn’t need more offense, they needed pitching. They are pulling a Rockies here and didn’t have to.
From April 30-June 30 Lawrie has a .310/.349/.467 slash line – he’s a good player who had a bad month in his first month in an A’s uniform. If he stays in Toronto the Jays are…probably about the same, offensively and defensively? Scoring 4.5 runs a game vs 5.3 isn’t that big a deal if you have pitching.
Its patently absurd to think WAR = direct wins too. So, perhaps lay off with the insults.
Independent of concerns over how good in individual players in question are, if the rest of your rotation is bad, you’re only going to win consistently with offense, so 5 bad starters and a really good offense will lead to more wins than 4 bad starters and one good one and a middling offense.
If Donaldson over Lawrie is responsible for .8 runs per a game, which is 130 runs a season, then that might be the biggest singular upgrade in the history of baseball. That is a HUGE deal.
Fortunately, the difference should end up being about 30 offensive runs over the full season, less than .2 runs per game. 5.3 versus 5.1 is much less of a deal, I agree!
Seems to be working – the Jays are a half win out of the division lead and Donaldson is a big reason why.
And WAR has a higher correlation to wins than saying a player is very good or fantastic. And this isn’t a case of splitting decimal points: Donaldson will likely end the season with about twice as much WAR as Lawrie/Graveman. Although if you can provide a better way to gauge the respective performances of the players in the trade, I’m all for it.
Of the 5 starters you mentioned, Estrada has nowhere near a 5 FIP (4.27) and Norris and Sanchez aren’t currently in the rotation. Aside from Dickey, who has a better track record, you have a group of pitchers who can pitch competently even if none are stars (I’m a pretty firm believer in Boyd, however).
Also, you can’t give more weight to the results of one month over another – on the whole, Lawrie’s been roughly what you’d expect, a 2-3 win player. A hot month doesn’t say that much about future performance.
And as Torgen noted, the Pythagorean relationship between RS and RA isn’t linear – if you have a good offence and weak pitching, you’re better off bolstering that offence, at least in theory. In practice it probably makes sense to improve your pitching because the cost is probably lower, but there’s nothing inherently wrong with trading off pitching for batting if it improves your overall run differential and opportunity is there (as is the case with Donaldson).
You assume that Lawrie would be playing and not on the DL. The fact that he is is just good fortune and not something the Jays could count on when the trade was made.
Graveman looks good but Donaldson is top 5 in baseball right now and now matters more.
I know this comment was posted a month ago but looking at the trade now with a little perspective, it is clear the Jays came on top big time with this deal as Donaldson is leading the best offensive team in baseball. He turned out to be a big upgrade from Lawrie at the hot corner. I know the A’s were looking to add some defense to the middle of their infield but I will still never understand this trade.
What does, “It’s been a front-to-back change-of-pace pitch with a little depth” mean exactly. I am not familiar with that terminology. Thanks!
‘Front (door) to back (door)’ so the pitch is moving from right to left. Against a right handed batter, the pitch starts in the hitters ‘frontdoor’ and finishes in the backdoor. It’s thrown at a different speed so the change of pace throws off the hitters timing, and it has ‘depth’ which is another term for late movement.
Graveman sounds like he really knows his skill set. Very impressive.
When the trade was made, I thought it was a significant up grade for the Jays, but wished that they had sent a pitcher other than Graveman in the deal. This kid is going to be really good.
You can only evaluate based on what you know at the time. I bet if it was Norris or Sanchez you might not have liked it back then.
Graveman was not one of our top pitching prospects. No regrets.
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