Kevin Goldstein FanGraphs Chat – 10/25/2021

Kevin Goldstein: Hi everybody. World Series starts tomorrow, the off-season approaches, all that good stuff. Let’s chat.

TomBruno23: Oliver Marmol was a teammate with Brett Gardner on the 2005 College of Charleston Cougars baseball team. How about that?

Kevin Goldstein: He’s younger than Waiwright and Molina. He was selected in the same round, same year of the MLB Draft as Anthony Rizzo and Ryan Brasier. Good for him, hope he does well.

Guest: Do agents ever initiate or get involved in trade discussions for their clients?

Kevin Goldstein: Not without permission. They sometimes request trades, but the team is under no obligation  to honor such requests. The only time they do that is for minor league FAs who have outs in their deal and they look for an opportunity with another club …

Max Fried: What was wrong with me in game 5?

Kevin Goldstein: The playoffs are hard. The Dodgers lineup is really good.

Zirinsky: Kevin: Aaron Boone gets a lot of hate from Yankees fans (I think he’s solid).  Question: how do teams evaluate managers?  Obviously they watch the games and have a sense of how the in-game stuff works/doesn’t, but are there other elements (interviews with players, ability to work with analytics department, etc.) that are used?

Kevin Goldstein: Yeah, I think it’s nearly impossible to evaluate a manager from the outside. The most important part of a manager’s job is getting the best possible performance from his players. Any number of factors go into that equation that we can’t see from our vantage point.

Bob Nightengale’s Breakfast: Could Josh Donaldson bring anything of value back to the Twins (assuming they pick up some of his contract)?

Kevin Goldstein: He’s owed $50 million for the next two years, so they’d have to pick up a lot of the contract. It’s feasible, but won’t be easy.

Sodo Mojo: Given that Arizona is 2-3 years out from being competitive would it make sense for them to shop Marte to restock their farm and given his very reasonable contract what sort of package would it take to get him?

Kevin Goldstein: I think it’s certainly something they should be listening on.

Reginald: Is there any worry about the level of competition Colton Cowser faced or is he legit?

Kevin Goldstein: Legit.

Joe: What types of pitchers do you think the Cubs attempt to bring in to stabilize the rotation for 2022?

Kevin Goldstein: I doubt they’ll play at the top of the market. Likely just solid guys to give them innings and maybe be trade targets come July.

Krontz: Robo-ump strike zone 2023 …. likely or too soon?

Kevin Goldstein: I think it will take longer than that. The tech just isn’t ready for prime time.

A big dumb idiot: There is Succession level drama going on at the top of the telecom that owns the Blue Jays. It’s salacious but theyre in no danger of going under or anything, but their failson chairman is at the centre of it. Do you think any free agents would care about this as long as the $$ is there?

Kevin Goldstein: Not a bit.

Bob: What, if anything, does it tell you that Jed Hoyer went outside the Theo/Boston/Chicago tree for the front office additions of Carter Hawkins and Ehsan Bokhari last week?

Kevin Goldstein: I think it tells you that he’s interested in bringing on some different perspectives, and that’s a good thing. I don’t know Hawkins, but have heard really good things about his PD chops. I know Ehsan and he’s great, and also a wonderful human being. I couldn’t be happier for him.

TomBruno23: Posnanski’s new tome is on hold for me at the STL City Library. How excited should I be?

Kevin Goldstein: I don’t know. Like what you like, so get excited.

Sodo Mojo: Given the recent comments by Dipoto what do you think the chances are of Julio Rodriguez breaking camp with Seattle next spring?

Kevin Goldstein: I’d bet against it.

Steeeevw: Is there any benefit to altering how traditional starters are aligned (1 vs 1, 2 vs 2, 3 vs 3 . . .)? Say maybe have your 3 vs their 1, 4 vs their 2, 5 vs their 3, 1 vs their 4, and 2 vs their 5?

Kevin Goldstein: Not really. You can try that stuff, but it gets out of whack real quick. Somebody misses a start or gets pushed back a day. It’s impossible to do.

ZackWheat: What will be the biggest hurdle in the CBA talks?

Kevin Goldstein: Money, right? More specifically arbitration and free agency timing.

Fred whitfield: Do you expect a lot of trades before the rule 5 draft as teams  like Tampa /Cleveland try  to get  a return for those players who might have to be exposed. Any other teams you expect to be active?

Kevin Goldstein: I do expect those teams to be busy heading into roster freezes. Yankees as well, but they did a lot at the deadline to handle their crunch.

ralph: I know every situation is going to depend on who the pitcher is, but do you have any broad framework for when you think it’s a good idea to use a starter in relief on a throw day? I’m not trying to center this on the Dodgers, but as an example/barometer, if you have someone the caliber of a rested Joe Kelly available, is it ever a good idea to throw the starter instead, outside of maybe an extremely leveraged World Series inning?

Kevin Goldstein: I’m not a fan of doing it, except in exceptional circumstances, and I personally think that many of the Dodgers uses of their starters in the playoffs this year we’re not exceptional circumstances.

Kate: What do you make of the velo uptick for Luis Garcia in his last start?  Not expecting 97+ to stick, but could we see a velo uptick next year that helps the FB play up a bit more?  Or was this just a playoff adrenaline thing?

Kevin Goldstein: It’s one of those things where we will find out together. I think he knew (or was told) that he was not going deep so he just went all out from pitch one.

J.L.: Do you see the Cubs trying to re-sign any of the trio Báez, Bryant and Rizzo? Should they?

Kevin Goldstein: No; probably not.

YorDaddy: How do you think the Astros will handle the outfield at Atlanta? They can’t possibly keep Yordan out of the lineup can they?

Kevin Goldstein: They can’t . .  but they can’t keep Brantley out either. Tucker in CF is the only answer there, and that’s a big dropoff defensively. I’m fascinated to see what they do myself.

Rising Tide: I know it’s just speculation but what percent chance do you give the Orioles signing one of the FA SS to a long-term deal to fill that void in their middle infield with no real options in their minors coming for at least a couple years?

Kevin Goldstein: 0.8219482%

Rob: You think Houston makes a serious run at keeping Correa or do they let him walk without much effort?

Kevin Goldstein: I think they’ll make another offer or two, but I still would bet that it’s not enough.

Derek: At what point is firing Dave Roberts justifiable? Obviously he’s had remarkable success but, as unfair as it might be, one World Series title (in a weirdo season at that) is pretty clearly an underperformance compared to expectations, and the number of questionable-to-obviously-wrong postseason decisions balloons every wear.

Kevin Goldstein: We just don’t know how much of those decisions are his, and how many were templates from the front office that he followed. Manager always takes the blame, but doesn’t always deserve it.

Nick: Is Nestor Cortes for real?

Kevin Goldstein: Real as in solid starting pitcher? Sure.

Veronica: What would be your solution to pace of play. The other night in the afl they had a game with roboumps and 22 walks. This would be unwatchable.

Kevin Goldstein: That’s not a pace of play issue, that’s a roboump issue…

John b: I saw that you mentioned going to scout nick plummer years ago.  Did teams consider him a first rounder or was he a reach for STL?  Are you surprised he cratered for years ?  Are you more surprised he’s gotten back into prospect charts?  Is he an impact player eventually ?

Kevin Goldstein: I put first-round money on him . . . I think there might be some big league utility to him, but I’m not putting impact on that.

Ben: How often do players request trades that aren’t made public?

Kevin Goldstein: It’s really quite rare.

Zirinsky: Hi Kevin.  Where do you think the sticky stuff situation goes next year?  New ball?  Some approved substance?  Nothing?

Kevin Goldstein: Might not be next year, but soon we’ll just have a pre-tacked ball.

Guest: How far apart (geographically) are all 30 Dominican complexes?

Kevin Goldstein: Not very. There are clusters. The Royals complex is literally right next to Houston’s. There are three or four more than are within ten minutes, and probably 20 within an hour’s drive.

Laffy Tuffy: When you were with the Astros was there any KBO players you had looked into and thought they could play in the MLB?

Kevin Goldstein: Well, Brooks Raley was one! In terms of Korean natives, we never found one we wanted to make a hard pursuit of.

Wally: Joey weimer on helium watch. High risk or something to believe in?

Kevin Goldstein: Both maybe? Big dude, big tools, some risk to the profile.

Owen: Who costs more in prospects: Jose Ramirez or Ketel Marte? If you were the Mariners which one would you prefer to go after?

Kevin Goldstein: Jose Ramirez; Jose Ramirez. And I like Marte quite a bit, I just love Jose Ramirez.

Jefferson: Why won’t mlb move playoff games to an earlier time slot? Is it strictly an issue with TV dollars? I’m old now and cannot stay up until midnight to watch a game

Kevin Goldstein: Yeah, it’s TV dollars. They pay billions for it, they get to set times. As a pure night owl, I’m probably not the most sympathetic ear on this one.

Derek: Whose offseason will you be most interested in? I think the Tigers have a sneaky chance to vault into legitimate contention next season or the following if they can snag one of the big shortstops and add a few other, smaller pieces (this assumes that Torkelson and/or Greene are major league impact bats in short order)

Kevin Goldstein: Tigers are a great answer. As far as how they manage the off-season. Dodgers and Giants are both fascinating to me. Yankees, Astros in the team photo as well.

Brent: Any horror movies jump to mind as those you’d consider for a top 100?

Kevin Goldstein: A Korean film called A Tale Of Sisters. The original Night Of The Living Dead. Is Midsommar horror? I’m not sure about that one….

Owen: How do negotiations work? Is everyone clear what a FA’’s current highest bid and it’s like an auction? Or are teams in the dark and give their best offer?

Kevin Goldstein: It varies. You give an offer and then you get feedback from the agent. Hey, my client has more elsewhere so you need to up things. Sometimes you get specifics, sometimes you don’t….

Zirinsky: Kevin: On that robo-ump question, if we can all basically see balls/strikes really well on our TVs home with those strike zone boxes (I’m assuming this is true, maybe it isn’t), why is it so hard to implement this on the field?

Kevin Goldstein: [Whispers] Those strike zone boxes aren’t nearly as accurate as they’d like you to believe….

v2micca: Who gets more this off-season, Carlos Correa, or Corey Seager?

Kevin Goldstein: Correa.

Zirinsky: Do you think it would be worth it for Brian Cashman to bring on a GM and then move up in the ranks, similar to what other FOs have done/are doing?

Kevin Goldstein: Not really….

Josh R: There were 847 pitchers used in the majors in 2021 (not counting position players). 28 per team. The previous high in 2019 was 776. The trend is continuous rise but how far can it really go?

Kevin Goldstein: I think, much like 2020, 2021 is a little freakish and not true information.

Jose11: In the past you said Luis Garcia was viewed as a good not great prospect but how do you explain the massive jump he made this year and the stuff he’s got?

Kevin Goldstein: Players change, often dramatically.

Mrs. Phanatic: You a big reader at all? Care to suggest any good books?

Kevin Goldstein: I like a lot of magic realism stuff (Coover, DeLilo, etc.)

Cold Turkey Stearns: Jays fans really want Semien and Ray back. How much of that plays into front office thinking?

Kevin Goldstein: Very little. I’m sure the front office wants them back as well, but what the fans think doesn’t play a big role.

Larry: What level are you in Pokemon Go?

Kevin Goldstein: I stopped playing like a year ago at 35-36. Wife got to 40.

SJ: Which movie is on your “great” list that the highest percentage of the public would agree with you on?

Kevin Goldstein: I don’t know . . . Stalker? Blade Runner? La Dolce Vita?

KB: How much does a big postseason help a player in free agency? Thinking about Eddie Rosario.

Kevin Goldstein: Moves the needle a bit, but not much. Body of work is the body of work.

Jonny: How big a step up is it for a GM or assistant GM type to handle a POBO slot?  In other words, is it feasible for the Mets to hire a Harris/Arnold etc. as POBO, or is that too much of a reach?

Kevin Goldstein: I don’t think that’s too much of a reach.

Zirinsky: I know you think the Yankees should sign Correa…why him over Seager (and I realize we’re kind of splitting hairs)?

Kevin Goldstein: I don’t think we’re splitting hairs. Correa is the better player, and a MUCH better defender.

YorDaddy: Should the Astros consider pitching Framber in game 4 on short rest given he’s a extreme groundball pitcher and that would help out the defensively lacking Yordan-Tucker-Brantley outfield? Or is that overthinking it?

Kevin Goldstein: I think you make that decision after Game 3, and don’t even start thinking about it until after Game 2.

Cold Turkey Stearns: Do you think the Rays to Montreal part-time has any legs, or is it just silly talk?

Kevin Goldstein: Still feels silly to me.

Rodney: I’m in my mid-30s. Established in a career that emphasizes communication and critical thinking. And a very serious lifelong student of baseball knowledge and information. But no formal systems training. Is it crazy to contemplate a career change and try to work in the sport? Either for a team, the league or a site like this?

Kevin Goldstein: Oh go for it.

Cold Turkey Stearns: Why are trade requests so rare? It seems like they are extremely common in the other major sports.

Kevin Goldstein: Because they don’t have to honor them? There’s nothing binding about them. They’re just words.

sadtrombone: Are you rooting for the Astros? I am legitimately curious.

Kevin Goldstein: I’m not. There are players there that I root for. There are still some people in the office that I root for. But as a team? No. Went into more detail on this recently on the podcast.

sadtrombone: Midsommar is definitely horror. My goodness.

Kevin Goldstein: You’re right.

Cold Turkey Stearns: Do teams ever give offers so low that players get angry or insulted?

Kevin Goldstein: Oh yes. I’ve seen it in action.

Guest: Do you think the Orioles should trade Mullins with the # of OF prospects they have in minors.

Kevin Goldstein: Absolutely not.

Guest: It’s prediction time, Who’ll win? Bravos? or ‘Stros?

Kevin Goldstein: I’m staying on brand and telling you either team can win, and anybody telling you what is going to happen in a playoff series is just guessing.

Ben: At what point will the Astros no longer be considered a villain? When no more 2017 guys are on the team? When they go through a new rebuilding process?

Kevin Goldstein: Yeah, it’s going to take a LONG TIME.

Guest: Does the NIL rule give any bargaining power to college juniors to allow them to threaten to return to school?

Kevin Goldstein: Not really. Not a ton of NIL money in college baseball.

Appa Yip Yip: Wouldn’t the players association have to sign off on any plan to split playing time between Tampa and Montréal? And why would they that sounds like it would suck.

Kevin Goldstein: YUP.

Jeb: No love for Hereditary? Or  perhaps you like it, but don’t consider it great?

Kevin Goldstein: I really liked it. Liked Midsommar much more.

Bmore Fan: What moves could you see the Orioles make this offseason that move the needle closer to contending?

Kevin Goldstein: Getting Rutschman and Rodriguez in the big leagues would be a nice start….

Deejay: What is the one baseball moment, that whenever you see a clip of it, you stop whatever you are doing and start cutting onions? The one moment that resonates with you on an emotional level?

Kevin Goldstein: Ground ball through Buckner’s legs?

How Bobby Grich Stole Christmas: How often would a player or agent complain about playing time?

Kevin Goldstein: Far more often than requesting a trade.

Bullpens: Are relievers taught anything specific about pitching in high leverage situations that starters aren’t? Is there any skill aspect to pitching in high leverage situations?

Kevin Goldstein: I realize this is soft science, but there’s certainly a mental skills aspect to high leverage relief work.

Cold Turkey Stearns: How do front offices view participation in the home run derby or all-star game? Is it enjoyable and something they are proud of, or is it little more than an injury concern?

Kevin Goldstein: The injury concern is always in the back of your head a bit, and you’d rather all of your players get a blow, but it’s really not a big deal.

Owen: Do teams have a “big board”going into the winter? How many variations do they prepare for? You sign one FA or trade and then needs change for example. How does that work?

Kevin Goldstein: They did. You figure out your needs, get the budget from the owner and start trying to find fits. Make priorities, and be ready to adjust on the fly.

How Bobby Grich Stole Christmas: When complaining about playing time, how often do they go to the GM or someone else in the front office over the manager?

Kevin Goldstein: The agents? Nearly always.

Zach: Why does it seem there is current belief that the Dodgers will be good but not great next year? Even if you exclude their current free agents their roster seems to be capable of winning 100+ games.

Kevin Goldstein: Agreed.

Cole: Do team have robust models to predict injury risk? For instance can they take a players injury history, body type, etc. and spit out x% chance this player gets injured this season?

Kevin Goldstein: No. Teams have tried VERY hard to create them, but all they’re really found is that players who stay healthy tend to stay healthy and players who get injured tend to get injured again, and TEND is carrying a lot of water.

v2micca: How much extra does a prospect that was drafted late with very limited expectations need to accomplish to win playing time over a “blue chip” prospect that has under performed thus far?

Kevin Goldstein: Not a ton. In a good PD system, it should be absolutely merit based, with draft status having nothing to do with it.

Joe: What do you think the cubs do this off-season ?

Kevin Goldstein: Getting this question a TON. I don’t think it will be super exciting. More playing in the margins and shoring things up.

CardinalsFan: Can I get excited about Nootbaar/Yepez now based on their SSS AFL showing?

Kevin Goldstein: No. Take all AFL stats with a HUGE grain of salt.

Matt: Money has to be the obvious #1 predictor of where a FA will sign, but what’s second: geographic location? Team is contending? Playing time? Or are those all so minor that it’s really (mostly) all about money?

Kevin Goldstein: It’s almost nearly 100% about the money. Geography can play a role, as can where the team does their spring.

Dan: Shouldn’t it be harder for neutrals to root for a team that does a racist chant than a team that cheated?

Kevin Goldstein: It should be, but fandom is weird.

Milwaukee Beerjays: Hey KG. In what way are you most similar to Kevin Garnett and in which was are you most different?

Kevin Goldstein: We are most similar in the sense that we are both carbon-based lifeforms. As an aside, I saw Garnett play high school basketball at Farragut in Chicago.

Matt: Do more players prefer AZ or FL as a spring training location?

Kevin Goldstein: Arizona.

How Bobby Grich Stole Christmas: Ever have a too good to be true deal in place only for the other side to come to its senses and nix it?

Kevin Goldstein: Oh yeah.

How Bobby Grich Stole Christmas: Other than batting eyes, do players complain about field conditions?

Kevin Goldstein: The field itself? Not really. Certainly in the minors, but big league fields tend to be impeccable. I know some places with players don’t like the lights or something, but not the field itself.

How Bobby Grich Stole Christmas: Considering only how long it takes players to get ready for the season, how long should spring training be?

Kevin Goldstein: One month, but that’s not going to happen. Contractual obligations and all….

Matthew: What’s the talk around the MLB office when you see a silly trade deal go through? “How did that deal go through?!” “We could have easily done that!” “Wow they got fleeced!”

Kevin Goldstein: Add, “I wish we called them about that player” to your list.

Ben Schneider: With no clear direction, what will it take for the Rockies to compete again?

Kevin Goldstein: Well, how about a clear direction first?

How Bobby Grich Stole Christmas: Best feedback from an agent after the player signed elsewhere?

Kevin Goldstein: This is probably not an informative answer, but there was a player once, where I was talking to the agent and said we were preparing an offer. Then the player signed elsewhere. It was fine, because the player signed for way more than we were ever going to get to, but I will still confused as to why I didn’t at least get a heads up on it. I called the agent and we had a very good talk about why that didn’t happen and what could have been done different on a communication level and it was a really good conversation.

TJ177: What is your belief on the Garcia velo increase the other night?

Kevin Goldstein: I think any kind of cheating talk like I saw on Twitter is real dumb. he was 94-95 during most of 2019 and touched 99.

Frank Thomas the Tank Engine: Do teams ever bid up trades or free agents in an effort to make a rival pay more?

Kevin Goldstein: A little, obviously the huge risk or bidding up and then getting the player…

David: Are agents generally pleasant to deal with or are teams just willing to put up with them to get the players they want?

Kevin Goldstein: For the most part, I really liked dealing with agents, and for the most part, I really liked the agents themselves.

Guest: Do you think we’re headed to an international draft in this CBA?

Kevin Goldstein: Either that or in short order. It’s definitely a when and not an if.

JC: Were there any front offices you didn’t enjoy matching up with in deals? Whether that be for fear of “losing” trades or for notoriously difficult to work with

Kevin Goldstein: Absolutely. Tampa was exceptionally difficult for Houston to match up with.

Guest: Are we finally going to see the DH in the NL in 2022?

Kevin Goldstein: Probably. Another when and not if.

Kretin: How much of contract language is boiler plate?

Kevin Goldstein: Almost all of it. There’s a UPC (Uniform Player Contract) with little room for adjustments and covenants. Many things are set in stone.

Guest: Why isn’t Houston more of a contender for Correa in FA? Its the 4th biggest market in the country with a good (read: not old and small) ballpark

Kevin Goldstein: I just don’t think they’re willing to extend themselves to top bidder status on him.

Kevin Goldstein: Ok, we are entering the final stretch…..

How Bobby Grich Stole Christmas: What was the weirdest condition a player insisted on in a new contract?

Kevin Goldstein: I can’t think of anything super wacky and unique….

Bob: Do the Dodgers let Seager walk and install Lux in the MI, or do they break out the checkbook?

Kevin Goldstein: I mean . . . ‘let him walk’ is a weird phrase here. He’s a free agent, and he’s going to talk to other teams. Walking or not is partially up to him as well.

Tom: What can a team/front office do about a player that shows up in bad shape… like Sandoval for example.  Is there anything that can be done or in the contract to protect against this?

Kevin Goldstein: You could do a conditioning clause or weight clause, but if you acted on it, you’d just be asking for a greivance.

JC: How often did you attend road games as a front office, if any?

Kevin Goldstein: Me personally? Very rarely. Sometimes at the trade deadline to be with the GM. Other than that, just during the post-season.

Jacob: How do members of the front office prepare for the World Series?

Kevin Goldstein: A lot more people are involved in advance stuff. There are discussions to be had about rotation/bullpen roles, etc, and there’s personal stuff to take care of if you are traveling with the team and/or your partner is traveling with you as well. It’s a very bust and very exciting time.

Skip: How important is “makeup” when looking at a prospect? That is, would you consider promoting a less skilled player who works hard as opposed to a talented player who maybe isn’t giving it 100%?

Kevin Goldstein: Promote within the minors? Yes. With in the majors? No.

Sir Nerdlington: How many guys on the 26 man roster are baseball rats that just love being at the field? (caveat that I recognize that they’re all pros and put in a lot of work.)

Kevin Goldstein: 20+

TJ177: Is it less fun when none of the WS games happen in a cold North east or midwest climate?

Kevin Goldstein: I don’t think so.

RAH: I think the biggest losers in the late playoff game TV times are the kids! I mean, I sometimes struggle to make it to the end of these games, being on the east coast, but there is no way my kids are watching much of these games. Half of them have started at or shortly after bedtimes!

Kevin Goldstein: LET THEM STAY UP AND WATCH BASEBALL.

Tom: At the beginning of trade talks, do you start with asking for the other teams top prospects even if the deal would never warrant that much talent in return?  Or is that an insult to the team you are trading with?

Kevin Goldstein: Usually you don’t just go in blind. More of a “Hey, would you discuss Player X and if so, what kind of return would we be talking about?” Get some guidance first. Same with FAs.

Gene: Do you think expanding roster sizes will be on the table this off season?  Or is that not a big enough issue for the players union to care about?

Kevin Goldstein: I think it will be on the table. Could see expanded rosters, and could see a permanent taxi squad with the ability to declare your 25 for each game. Could be neither.

Frank Thomas the Tank Engine: When you have a highly rated player or prospect who you like less for whatever reason than the consensus, do you have to wait for another team to bring him up in trade talks or do you risk tipping your hand if you bring him up as available?

Kevin Goldstein: Yeah, it’s a slippery slope there. You definitely have to play it right.

Brooks: If a team is replying to the inquiry “Hey, would you discuss Player X and if so, what kind of return would we be talking about?”, do they reply with specific names, or tiers, like “We’d need one of your top 10 prospects and another in the top 20”?

Kevin Goldstein: Yeah, more tiers, but sometimes names come up quick. “We’d talk about someone at the end of our top 10?” response: “Does that include Prospect X?”

Guest: Corey Seager’s baserunning and defensive numbers were pretty poor this year, but in the past they were better; just a one-year blip, or do you foresee continued poor showings in these aspects of his game?  Is he destined for 3B or 2B?

Kevin Goldstein: I think in terms of defense, Seager is a 40-45 SS, and it’s really the big separator between him and Correa. VERY big separator.

Guest: Is there a better alternative than Gary Sanchez on the FA or expected trade market? I can only think of Contreras

Kevin Goldstein: I mean, that assumes you see Gary Sanchez as a catcher, which is something many teams do NOT.

Guest: For the past few years, it seems KC has had a deserved reputation for struggling to develop hitters. They’ve made some organizational changes to the hitting dev side, and this year it appears to be paying off. As a Royals fan, am I just biased, or are folks in the industry thinking the same?

Kevin Goldstein: The are thinking the same.

Kevin Goldstein: Ok folks, I gotta go, but thanks so much for all of the great questions, and enjoy the World Series.