Let’s Dream Up a Michael Fulmer Trade

The Yankees are currently in the process of shoving all their chips towards the middle of the table, going all-in on their young core of premium position-player talent. Trading for Giancarlo Stanton was part of that effort. Even trading away Bryan Mitchell in order not to pay Chase Headley was part of it, too. It allowed the club to situate themselves at something like $30 million under the tax threshold. Now there’s a link forming between the Tigers and the Yankees, with Michael Fulmer as the prize. Let’s dream this one up.

The Yankees’ stable of good prospects is such that any trade like this conjures up visions of a Superdeal. Check out all the names that have already flooded social media.

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Which of those name are more realistic than others, though? We can start narrowing down the list by looking at the kind of surplus value that Fulmer offers, and what that has traditionally returned for that kind of value.

The Tigers’ righty is projected to regress next year — from 3.5 wins down to 2.8, according to the projections at the site here. We could round that figure and just call him a three-win pitcher, but it’s also probably worth noting that Fulmer has suppressed balls in play over each of the past two seasons. Steamer appears to apply a fair does of regression to his home-run and BABIP figures. It’s possible that Fulmer actually possesses some real talent in this area, though. Consider: changeups elicit the lowest average launch angle and lowest exit velocity of all the pitch types — and, man, does Fulmer have a good changeup.

It’s not surprising, then, that Fulmer’s changeup allowed a top-10 launch angle among starting pitchers. Hard to hit them out if you can’t hit them up.

So there’s a reasonable case to be made that he’s a candidate to exceed his projections. Let’s call him a three-win pitcher for the forseeable future, though. After all, he’s 24, has that changeup and good velocity, and possesses no obvious flaws other than some tangles with the injury bug. If he gave the Yankees 15 wins in five years — one at the league minimum, and then four years in which arbitration will likely pay him at about 20%/40%/60%/80% of his market value — Fulmer would be worth a whopping $72 million in surplus, if you use a stagnant $8 million per win over the life of his team control. Given recent trends in the market, that’s very likely on the low end, but it probably makes sense to err on the conservative side here.

According to research on the subject from Kevin Creagh and Steve DiMiceli in 2016, that kind of player would be worth a hitting prospect ranked from 11th to 25th and a pitcher in the back end of the top 100.

Of course, there’s no way to be really precise about this sort of thing. Not only do some parties contest dollars-per-win calculations and prospect valuations, but there are also no current top-100 prospect lists to use as a guide post. And then there’s scarcity: how many pitchers as cheap and as good as Michael Fulmer are available on the market?

But at least this lets us understand what sort of prospects the Tigers can expect. A player like Gleyber Torres, who was among the top-10 prospects in Eric Longenhagen’s midseason update, could headline the deal all by himself. But the rumors indicate he’s not an option.

So, Clint Frazier? Who was a top-40 hitter in the midseason and probably didn’t shift his ranking too far with a high-powered, low-contact debut? He’s a start, but not enough probably, coming in around $40 million in surplus value.

And maybe Justus Sheffield? He didn’t make the midseason top 100, but this writer — and Longenhagen, as well — were impressed by his Arizona Fall League outings. “He was freaking electric,” Longenhagen wrote in a chat recently, noting that Sheffield’s velocity was up two ticks, that his slider was more plus than above average, and that the changeup looked workable. Consider this video, in which he gets a swinging strike from Astros top prospect Kyle Tucker:

Longenhagen guesstimated that he’d put Sheffield in the top 100 if he had a list right now, which would bring our package up to $50 million in surplus. That would still require another prospect from the Yankees to get the prize, but they could use this moment to take a step back and add a demand that may not faze the Tigers much: a veteran infielder who can provide production now as the team waits for Gleyber Torres and others to be ready.

“Sure, you can have Ian Kinsler,” would probably be the reply. He’s paid $10 million for 2018 and is projected to be a little better than league average, so now you need to hit $85 million in surplus.

“Easy,” says Brian Cashman. “As long as you value our righty starter Chance Adams as a top-50 pitcher, we’re there now.” He was 64th in the summer, finished the season well, and would move up just by virtue of a few graduations off that mid-summer list.

So, who hangs up first? Ian Kinsler and Michael Fulmer for Clint Frazier, Justus Sheffield, and Chance Adams? Would the Tigers need another bat to push this over the hill? Is this enough of a haul for them to trade away a young arm with five years of team control left? Do the Yankees swallow hard and trade their two best prospect arms in order to put together a rotation that is solid to serious in each slot?

Let’s get the popcorn out.





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Sheryl Ring
8 years ago

Great article…except Adams is a RHP.

Michael Herring
8 years ago

Chance Adams is a righty btw.

stonepie
8 years ago

this is the exact package i was thinking of. i’d throw someone else in going to DET, especially if yankees are getting kinsler

redsoxu571
8 years ago
Reply to  stonepie

Indeed, that is what second and third tier prospects are in a deal of this nature. Include someone in the Yankee 5-10 range and then a low-ball “lottery ticket” (5 prospects of varying values for two MLB veterans seems about right) and everyone probably wins.

maumanntsMember since 2022
8 years ago

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The Ghost of Stephen Drews BatMember since 2026
8 years ago

The proposed trade makes sense but I think the Yankees are willing to wait another year for Sheffield to develop so he can become their “Fulmer”

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago

I am not sure the Yankees want Kinsler unless the Tigers pick up the salary. Either way, there’s not a ton of need for them to move Fulmer now.

I think Frazier, Sheffield, and Adams will get it done from the Tigers’ end. I don’t think Cashman will want to give up both Sheffield and Adams in the same offseason, period.

Odds are against this deal getting done right now but stranger things have happened.

wilkie
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Now that Headley’s gone the Yankees need a 2B or 3B. Kinsler is both cheaper and better than Headley so I’m sure they’d happily take on his modest salary. Ideally the Tigers eat a couple million but even that might not be necessary.

kuri3460Member since 2025
8 years ago

Wouldn’t re-signing CC Sabathia for 1 yr / $12 million and trying to pry just Ian Kinsler away from DET leave the Yankees in a roughly similar position as it concerns 2018?

Pepper Martin
8 years ago
Reply to  kuri3460

Take that trade package, minus Sheffield plus a lower-level prospect, and give it to Baltimore for Machado. Sign CC to a 1 year deal. Be a better team.

redsoxu571
8 years ago
Reply to  Pepper Martin

The Orioles have said they aren’t trading Machado to NY, and I believe them, even if NY made a Godfather offer. It would be murder on Baltimore’s fans to see Machado thrive against them that many games a year, especially with NY having already added Stanton.

Why is Baltimore think about dealing Machado, if that is serious? Even if the team has to rebuild he seems like someone who should be kept around during that process.

James
8 years ago
Reply to  redsoxu571

Believe me, if he were going to stay in Baltimore an extension would have happened by now.

Ryan
8 years ago
Reply to  kuri3460

I find it almost laughable that you think that CC Sabathia for 12 million brings anywhere close the kind of surplus value that Michael Fulmer projects for even on the conservative side. So no, they’re not better off in 2018 with an aging CC than Fulmer who is definitely a better option.

kuri3460Member since 2025
8 years ago
Reply to  Ryan

My point was that on the field, there isn’t much of a difference between Michael Fulmer and CC Sabathia for 2018, and so signing CC and keeping the prospects may be a better overall use of resources than trading them for Fulmer.

The Yankees have plenty of money to spend and already have tons of surplus value on their roster. Their salary restrictions are self imposed, but they only need to squeak under the luxury tax threshold.

KwisatzHaderachMember since 2016
8 years ago

The Tigers don’t need to do this, and I wouldn’t unless Torres is in the deal. Fulmer is only 24, he has 5 years of control. If you’re not getting the elite prospect you need, pass and see if Fulmer can improve his slider under Bosio and add a few more strikeouts to his profile. If he can he’ll be a monster.

jdbolickMember since 2024
8 years ago

Fulmer’s value will never be higher than it is now, and at least a couple of those valuable years would be wasted on a rebuild. I believe the Tigers would be wise to move him, and I don’t mind the quantity over quality approach given the sheer number of long-term needs Detroit has. That being said, I am lower on Frazier, Sheffield, and Adams than most.

jmsdean477
8 years ago
Reply to  jdbolick

With how much team control he has it wouldnt be a major difference now or at the deadline. A poppin first half with an increase in strikeouts, on top of the fact he would be one of the top available arms since next years FA are headlined by an Astro and a Dodger neither of which will be dealt, would make him the top arm. So teams would be adding a top starter for 3 1/2 years mid season when he helps long term and for the stretch on a contender. I mean do we really think that Fulmer is much less valuable then Quintana who netted a top 5 prospect and a number of other real pieces this year. An ace first half brings a huge return in July, and you really only need 3 good months. I would sign a top defensive catcher for him and let it ride.

John WickMember since 2018
8 years ago
Reply to  jmsdean477

This is absolutely the question Detroit has to answer. Are they better off taking a deal now or betting on health and performance and selling at the trade deadline for a premium? Given the length of control, if they’re comfortable his elbow will be fine I’d guess they choose the latter path unless they love a prospect in a deal that’s on the table now.

jdbolickMember since 2024
8 years ago
Reply to  jmsdean477

A poppin first half with an increase in strikeouts

His strikeout rate declined dramatically last season, so if it doesn’t rebound then his value is going to decrease rather than increase. Plus, you’re counting on Fulmer continuing to maintain his unusually low BABIP. Oh, and not get hurt, which is a significant risk for any major league pitcher. I see more scenarios in which Fulmer’s trade value decreases next season than ones where it increases.

redsoxu571
8 years ago

It always annoys me when someone says “the team should demand the other team’s best prospect or bust”. For most teams, there are packages of prospects that can be put together without the team’s #1 guy that would look SUPER appealing. I remember when everyone was demanding that Boston trade for Cole Hamels, and Phillies fans were demanding “Betts or Swihart or bust”. Even though I thought trading for Hamels would be a bad idea for Boston, I figured a sensible package could/should be built something like Bradley plus a choice of Devers or Margot plus a choice of a pitcher higher up in the system (think Brian Johnson) and one more lower-level prospect. That would have been pretty darn good, and most teams can assembled packages like that (though for many that would leave them feeling pretty stripped in the system afterward).

WerthlessMember since 2020
8 years ago

What do we make of a pitching prospect like Chance Adams who had a lot of success while running a tiny BABIP? Is there any research on that?

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
8 years ago

This is just the type of deal that the Tigers need to do. If you view Sheffield the way Eric does then it is a no-brainer.

zwibi
8 years ago

Great article. Would be smart for the tigers to do something like this.

Would be nice if MLB Network didn’t cut you off in the middle of talking. That was pretty weak.

phoenix2042Member since 2016
8 years ago

Fulmer is good, young, and cheap. Very valuable combination. But he is not an ace level pitcher. He is not Archer or even Quintana level of established ace or near-ace with years of control remaining. I think 3 top prospects, two of them the best arms in the Yankees’ system, is too high a price for a 3 WAR player, even with that team control. From the dollar and cents value standpoint, it makes sense, but it is not a stretch to say that Adams or Sheffield could turn into Fulmer. Of course they could flame out because they are prospects, but if even one of them turns into a 3 WAR pitcher (which is not an enormous ask, though again not guaranteed) and the other becomes a useful reliever, while Frazier becomes at least an average player (most think he will be much better), then the Yankees would be in a much better position than simply acquiring one 3 WAR pitcher. Yes, it’s certainty vs upside, but I have a hard time thinking that the three combined (Frazier, Sheffield, Adams) can’t equal 3 WAR a year. Fulmer isn’t such a rare talent that he commands such a haul.

jdbolickMember since 2024
8 years ago
Reply to  phoenix2042

3 WAR from one player is more valuable to an organization like the Yankees than 3 WAR from three players combined because the Yankees have the resources to avoid filling the rest of their lineup and rotation with replacement level players.

James
8 years ago
Reply to  phoenix2042

It’s not so much that Fulmer is *amazing*. It’s all in the surplus value. He’s an above-average starter who is going to earn pennies compared to comparable free agent starters for years.

Dave TMember since 2025
8 years ago
Reply to  phoenix2042

“if even one of them turns into a 3 WAR pitcher (which is not an enormous ask, though again not guaranteed)”

In 2017, there were 36 3 fWAR starting pitchers in the majors. Another 16 were good for at least 2.5 fWAR.

In 2016 the numbers were a bit higher: 40 with at least 3 fWAR and another 23 with at least 2.5 fWAR.

The numbers in 2015 were 37 3 fWAR and another 17 with at least 2.5 fWAR.

So I think it actually is a pretty big ask, even for a touted prospect. It’s being something like one of the 40 most productive starting pitchers in MLB in a given year, or one of the 50-60 most productive if we’re using “3 WAR” as shorthand to round up the guys who are closer to 3 than 2.

Jon
8 years ago
Reply to  Dave T

I’m sure (or as least I hope) it’s been covered – is there a place that we can see the chances of a top-N (or FV-N) prospect becoming X, Y, or Z?

e.g. Looking at 2016 prospect lists, Fullmer seems like he was ranked around 50th. What were his chances of becoming a 2 WAR starter? 3 WAR? 4 WAR? I guess there’s another dimension there too, which is *when* he becomes that player.

This varies from prospect to prospect of course (some are higher ceiling/lower floor, while some are “safer” with lower upside) but for each there is some probability distribution for the expected outcome. The $40M value assigned to Frazier, for example, has to be a function of that expected outcome. But is there any place that fangraphs has documented that outcome distribution as a function of FV or prospect rank?

GoNYGoNYGoGo
8 years ago

One of the problems with a trade of Fulmer to the Yankees is that last season Fulmer hit intentionally (at least as perceived by the Yankees) Gary Sanchez and another hitter and started a beanball war with the Yankees. Not sure how smoothly he would transition into the Yankee clubhouse.

Six Ten
8 years ago

It feels so weird that someone named Justus Sheffield is a pitcher and not a power-hitting corner outfielder.

Mario MendozaMember since 2017
8 years ago

I’d rather have Adams than Fulmer right NOW.

In fantasy, I’m trying to sell Fulmer everywhere. He does not get swing and misses at all. ERA is going to correct upwards. In YSII, way upwards.

Jon
8 years ago
Reply to  Mario Mendoza

I’d trade Adams for Fullmer, of course, but I agree with the sentiment. The strikeout rate worries me, his BABIP is low, and he’s not going to be super cheap for much longer.

I have to think there’s a pretty good chance that at least one out of Adams and Sheffield turns into a guy with Fullmer’s peripherals (if not the artificially low ERA).

Adding Frazier to that just seems crazy. If I’m the Tigers, I jump all over this deal.