Where Would Manny Machado Best Fit?

LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. — There is a Branch Rickey axiom that goes something like this: when trading an asset, it’s typically better to do so a year too early than a year too late. That is largely pragmatic and true. One could argue that Baltimore is a year too late in considering a rebuild. But late is also preferable to never.
As Dave wrote, the Orioles appear to be coming to their senses in exploring a trade of Manny Machado. The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal reported that the Orioles are engaged in more than listening; they are asking for offers to be submitted for Machado. The franchise-cornerstone talent is interested in returning to shortstop.
From Rosenthal’s piece:
Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports previously reported that the Orioles are listening on Machado, but the team actually is operating with a more aggressive stance, telling potentially interested teams to make them offers, sources say.
Rosenthal goes on to suggest that moving Machado would “trigger a series of moves intended to redefine the future of an organization that currently has only two reliable members of its starting rotation and an improving but still underwhelming farm system.”
That would free the team to move other useful players like Brad Brach, Zach Britton, and Adam Jones in their final years of club control. Said Dan Duquette to Rosenthal: “It’s prudent to find out which way the wind is blowing.”
There is currently a strong headwind blowing against the Orioles: the Yankees have strengthened themselves in the AL East, and the Angels have added Shohei Ohtani to bolster their Wild Card chances. FanGraphs projects the Orioles to win 76 games. While the club has routinely beat its projections, the 2018 campaign does not appear to be a favorable one at the moment. The long-range forecast looks even worse.
It makes a lot of sense for the club to move Machado… and then everyone else. And it made sense months ago.
So who might be interested in Machado? Who could use a six-win shortstop? [Everyone except the Angels, Astros, Dodgers, Indians, and Nationals slowly raise their hands.] Who could use the best player available (6.3 WAR) for 2018?
Machado is not going to come cheaply.
The Orioles reportedly want two controllable arms, which seems like a price few teams would be willing to meet unless they are of the lower-ceiling variety. MLB Trade Rumors projects Machado to earn $17.3 million in arbitration. That’s close to $60 million in overall performance value and $40 million in surplus value. As I note in the Yankees’ NBA-style trade post, that’s worth a significant prospect: a position player with an FV grade of 55, a 60 FV pitcher, or two pitching prospects with 55 and 50 future values, according to our value estimates.
Amongst clubs that might count themselves as legitimate contenders in 2018, only the Brewers (1.1 WAR), Rockies (1.7), and Diamondbacks (1.9) rank in the lower half of projected shortstop production. While the Rockies and Diamondbacks could upgrade, the Brewers are committed to Orlando Arcia and seem unlikely to trade top young talent with low division odds.
As far as third base need, Machado would upgrade the position in New York, but the Orioles are unlikely to trade Machado within the division. The Giants represent an interesting possibility, having ranked last in third-base production last season and, at the moment, featuring mostly just Pablo Sandoval at the position. The Giants could go a number of directions this offseason. The Twins could perhaps be an interesting fit, as well.
And if Josh Donaldson makes sense in St. Louis — a claim made by Dave last month — so, too, would Machado somewhere on the left side of their infield, where Machado would provide about a four-win boost at third or short over average players Jedd Gyorko (2.2 WAR) and Paul DeJong (2.4 WAR).
The Cardinals have depth and a number of attractive pitching prospects, including Sandy Alcantara, Jack Flaherty, Jordan Hicks, Dakota Hudson, Ryan Helsley, and Alex Reyes. Alcantara was reportedly the top prospect whom the Cardinals were willing to package for Stanton. Could he headline a trade for Machado?
The Cardinals have the pitchers for which the Orioles are seeking and have the clear motivation to add an impact position player. An extra four wins would close the seven-game gap between the Cards and Cubs in the projected standings. The Cardinals also need to consider distancing themselves from Wild Card contenders like the Rockies and Diamondbacks.
Rosenthal reports that, amongst non-contenders, the Phillies have shown interest in Machado as a free agent next offseason but probably not as a trade target:
The Philadelphia Phillies — whose president of baseball operations, Andy MacPhail; and general manager, Matt Klentak, were Orioles executives when the team drafted Machado — are reluctant to give up prospects for Machado when they could sign him as a free agent next offseason without giving up players in their system, sources say.
Would it be worth it for the Phillies to trade for Machado to earn the right to try and sign him to an extension (highly unlikely), or hope familiarity with the club increases their chances of signing him? That modest increase in probability isn’t sufficient for a team like the Phillies to give up any pitcher of value.
But if more teams are interested in NBA-style salary dumps, maybe the Phillies could explore an NBA-style sign-and-trade. That might be preferable to trying to out bid for Machado next offseason. Of course, that’s a very unlikely scenario.
With Ohtani choosing the Angels and the Yankees trading for Stanton, Machado is the biggest star available. No player on the market projects for more WAR in 2018. The Orioles are asking for offers and the Cardinals should probably be preparing one.
A Cleveland native, FanGraphs writer Travis Sawchik is the author of the New York Times bestselling book, Big Data Baseball. He also contributes to The Athletic Cleveland, and has written for the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, among other outlets. Follow him on Twitter @Travis_Sawchik.
Rockies all the way.
Trade Story (+/-) for him and hope Brendan Rodgers is ready within a couple years. Put Machado at SS next to Arenado.
Rockies could offer Brendan Rodgers, Riley Pint, and Peter Lambert, I guess.
I mean, that’s the consensus 1/2 in the Rockies system for a 1 year upgrade at short… feels like that’d be waaay overpaying
I suggested Story+Pint for Machado as a trade-deadline deal last year and it was mostly laughed at, but I think it still makes some sense.
However, if I was Bridich right now, I’d be thinking bigger…Pint+Hoffman+Lambert+someone else like Nikorak or Musgrave for Machado & Zach Britton
Story should be at least close to Machado in value but I’m realizing that if the O’s are entering a full rebuild then they’d likely prefer minor league prospects.
Trevor Story isn’t even close to being a 6 win player.
Story’s at least close to Machado’s value if you add up Story’s next 4 seasons.
On the internet I can’t tell if you’re serious or not, but in case someone actually believed it, value calculation just doesn’t work that way.
I don’t know, I buy it…as long as Wilmer meant they are similar in surplus value and not similar in actual baseball ability/talent.
I looked at Cozart’s arbitration salaries for a comp, and he made ~15M through the whole process. Accounting for market inflation and a Coors bump for “arbitration stats” (and assuming Story is better than Cozart) he might get as much as ~30M before hitting free agency.
He’s 25 and under control for 4 more seasons, and pegged as a 2-win SS right now. I’ll also quickly note that bbref has rated higher than FG. I don’t think we can assume he’s automatically going to blossom into an all star, but he won’t start degrading in value for a while. It should be fair to assume he’ll average at least 2 WAR/season. That’s 8 WAR for 30M, or about 50M in surplus value using the same market assumptions that Travis used for Machado.
Machado condenses his surplus value into 1 season, so that might actually be worth more…but still, they’re pretty close in value.
NY should go for broke and do it. I’m a Yankee hater but I still wanna see that team.
The Yankees could offer Clint Frazier, Chance Adams, and Domingo Acevedo. That should be enough to get the Orioles interested.
Boston fan here. Yankees should do it so that I can hate them even more.
I actually think NY is one of the best fits to go after Machado (they have the pieces, they have the money and the outlook to make one hell of an extension pitch, and their place on the win curve means even one year of Machado is probably worth the prospect price), but I have a really, really hard time seeing Baltimore trading their franchise player to the Yankees.
What is the (Oriole) rationale for refusing to trade within the division when the player in question is a one-year rental? Not wanting to irritate an irrational fan base? By trading your best player you’re conceding this season anyway — so what if the team you’re losing to wins 96 games instead of 91?
From Cashman’s perspective this makes more sense — six years of legendary bat speed and flowing red locks that have escaped their perfect military crew cut would upset anybody, and it would also make your job harder in 2019-23. But unless Machado insta-signs a blockbuster extension (which he’s free to do after this season anyway, and which might blow up the Yankees luxury tax avoidance fantasies) shouldn’t the pain for the Orioles be limited to one year?
My guess is Moose goes to the Bronx.
Maybe the Yankees could work a three way deal through the Marlins so Jeter could convince Machado to play 3B.
Angels feel like an obvious fit to me, albeit at 3b and not SS. Ohtani + 26 year old Trout puts them in no-half-measures mode. Valbuena is an easy slide to 2b effectively replacing Cowart.
The only missing piece is that the Angels possess one of the few farm systems worse than the O’s
They don’t have a blue-chip prospect that they’re willing to trade, but Jahmai Jones or Jo Adell is a darn good piece in their own right. Not a studly return, but then again, Machado has just one year of team control left. What can the O’s expect for a guy with 1 year of team control coming off a down year, really?
Jones and Adell are both back end top 100 guys at best, and that’s assuming Adell’s arm strength returns. Jones is the type of guy that some teams might really love, but he’s also something of a ‘tweener who might not stick in center while not having the bat for a corner. If the Orioles are going to take a longshot return, it would be for pitching anyway.
When you subtract Ohtani, that is.
The Angels could take Ellsbury and his salary off the Yankees’ hands along with some prospects to sweeten the poison… and then flip those prospects to Baltimore for Machado. (Or even do a 3-way deal, if the Bombers and O’s are willing to trade within their division). Unlikely, sure, but since this is all mental entertainment anyway I like to look for the unexpected.
Have to disagree on sliding Valbuena over to 2B. Maybe 5 years ago you could argue that but he’s 32 yo next year and 5’10” and 215 lbs and hasn’t played there regularly in 7 years with all of his appearances since then as an emergency or short term stop-gap fill-in.. Whatever gains his bat would have over Cowart, he would give back with his glove.
Using b-ref’s PLay Index (since it includes weight as a search criteria), there were only 6 guys that heavy last year who played more than 80 games with at least half at 2B:
Jonathan Villar
DJ Lemahieu
Brad Miller
Daniel Murphy
Jonathan Schoop
Starlin Castro
All of them are at least 6’1″. Villar and Miller were disasters, Lemahieu is about the same as Valbuena as a hitter but is a Gold-Glover and the other 3 are MARKEDLY better hitters than Valbuena (well, maybe not Castro, but still, that’s 1 guy and he’s a converted SS while Valbuena is a converted 3B).
Can’t see it.
This probably will not happen, but I the idea of Machado and Simmons manning the left side of the same infield fills me with glee.
The Red Sox. Can you imagine the drama? Gonna be throwing at his head during practice.
Machado is going to be a Yankee in 2019 so the team that gets him for 2018 has to be one with realistic WS aspirations.
Obviously, the Mets were left out of this article because they have David Wright at third.
Could the Dodgers not move Seager to 3B (where he’ll end up anyway), Turner to 1B, and have Bellinger replace Kike in LF? Then they could try and dump Adrian Gonzalez’ contract.
Seems like they could make it work, and they might be able to convince Machado to re-sign in LA if they win a world series this year, and would be able to forego the Harper sweepstakes as a result.
There is no dumping Gonzalez’s contract. Other than that, I’m not sure why you’re getting down votes. I mean Seager is a good defensive SS and I’m not sure you WANT to move him off SS, but if you can add Machado, you just have to figure that one out.
Yeah you’re probably right about A-Gon’s contract, Dodgers are in the same boat as NYY/Ellsbury on that one. But I really do think he’d be a good fit with LAD, and Seager’s back issues might be easier to contain at 3B where he won’t have to move around as much.
Theoretically you could play someone at 2b, the biggest hole in the lineup, but I don’t think they would move 2 good arms for 1 year like that, its not their MO.
Literally anywhere but Baltimore.
As good as Machado is, I think his trade market is actually pretty limited based on the fact that only playoff caliber teams, with a need at SS or 3B, and a good farm system will be bidding. Those are three very limiting criteria. I only see StL, NYY, and Clev as obvious trade partners.
AL:
Clev – have the prospects and 3B opening if Jose plays second
Tor/Minn – could talk themselves into it, but do they want to give up premium prospects to hope they beat Bos/LAA for the wild card the prize of a 1 game playoff?
NYY – makes a lot of sense but will Baltimore trade w/in the division?
Bos/LAA/Sea – don’t have premium prospects
NL:
StL – have the prospects and desire to add impact bat; 3B/SS not blocked
Atl – same boat as Tor/Minn above
Wash/LAD – no 3B/SS opening
SF/NYM/Ari – likely don’t have the necessary prospects
Col – doubt they give up on Story so soon, but have the prospects
Phi – not ready to win in 2018
ChiC – couldn’t do it on prospects alone. maybe Russell+ gets it done?
@ Okra: O’s fan (hurting), but I’d take Devers in a straight swap (though I can’t imagine Manny in Red) ACK!
you think thats enough? i suppose we can throw in groome too just so its fair.
Hey if you’re throwing in Groome I won’t argue. Wondering about those neg votes: O’s or Sox fans??
I don’t see any team paying this price. No buyer has a glaring need at SS/3B other than NYY, and Angelos won’t allow a trade of Machado to New York. Plus the 3B market is flooded with decent options – Moustakas, Frazier, Nuñez, Escobar, Solarte/Headley, Prado, etc.
I really think cost per win for FAs should apply only when comparing FAs.
NY Mets baby !!!
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Girsch recently said that STL tries to avoid one-season buys, but they just bought two years of Ozuna, so who knows? I’m sure they’d like a negotiation window with him, but I don’t see a trade happening. Gyorko and Dejong are good enough to handle short and third.
the O’s aren’t going to get an all-star in return for Machado at this point.
they’re going to have to set their sights on snagging some sack of prospects
Not anymore! Jeter (still wearing pin-striped tightie-whities) has totally deflated the market for trading sluggers! Now, the potential return the Yanks would have to give up for Manny just got lower. At this point, unless someone comes out of the blue, the O’s should hold until midseason and re-evaluate.
And as for Florida; if the M’s have any fans left, I feel really sorry for them
Sure, what team wouldn’t want to give up a prime asset for one year of Manny’s .732 OPS. (At a cost of over $17M). Ridiculous.