Let’s Find a Home for Edwin Encarnacion
Over the weekend, the DH market started to clarify itself. The Astros signed Carlos Beltran, giving him $16 million for one year. The Yankees signed Matt Holliday, giving him $13 million for one year. And in 48 hours, two teams that looked like potential landing spots for Edwin Encarnacion opted to go with short-term commitments for older players, rather than trying to win the bidding war for the best hitter on the market.
So, this morning, the question of the day here at the Winter Meetings is where does Encarnacion go from here.
With Pearce and Morales in Toronto, it’s really hard to see Edwin Encarnacion returning to #BlueJays
— Ben Nicholson-Smith (@bnicholsonsmith) December 5, 2016
On Encarnacion: Sources who familiar with him says Rangers could be an interesting match. Market leverage for EE appears to be dropping.
— Buster Olney (@Buster_ESPN) December 5, 2016
The number of AL teams with decent-paying 1B/DH type of roles remaining is shrinking quickly. Maybe BOS; Texas; O’s; Cleveland.
— Buster Olney (@Buster_ESPN) December 5, 2016
Rather than take to Twitter, Ken Rosenthal wrote a column on Encarnacion’s options.
Part of it is that the market is flooded with hitters. Part of it also is that the Jays made Encarnacion a qualifying offer, attaching him to a first-round pick for all but the top 10 teams of the draft — and under the new collective-bargaining agreement, teams cannot lose first rounders after this off-season.
New teams could jump in as Encarnacion’s market dwindles, or previous suitors could re-emerge. The Astros, for example, still could sign Encarnacion to play first, use Beltran strictly as a DH and move Gurriel to left. The Rockies could divert their attention from Mark Trumbo and push for Encarnacion, a better hitter. The Rangers could grow more interested.
Will Encarnacion land the four- or five-year contract he is seeking? At this point, it seems doubtful. A shorter term at a high average annual value might be more realistic — and securing even that type of contract won’t be easy.
Not mentioned in Rosenthal’s piece is that there’s a real case to be made against paying Encarnacion what he’s asking for. Craig Edwards laid out the case against spending big on him a few weeks ago, noting that if you just go by the Steamer forecast, Encarnacion projects to be worth about $56 million over the next four years, well shy of even the $80 million he turned down from Toronto at the start of the off-season. While Encarnacion has been consistently excellent for the last five years, he’s also a 34-year-old DH, and as Craig noted in his piece, similar players in recent history have not been particularly productive from ages 34-37, even if they were great from 31-33.
Now, Major League teams aren’t just looking at the Steamer forecasts and deciding to pass on Encarnacion, but pretty much every team has their own projection system at this point, and it’s certainly possible that those projections also aren’t super high on a 34-year-old DH who pulls everything. With the Astros and Yankees — two teams both known for their robust analytics departments — both choosing to go with older players on one-year deals, not only has the market for his services shrunk, but it could perhaps be a sign that the internal forecasts teams are using are also not very bullish on Encarnacion at his current asking price.
So, if Encarnacion’s market isn’t as robust as perhaps he and his agent had hoped for, where do they go from here? And perhaps more importantly, how quickly do they pivot off their initial asking price, even if it means taking less money than they were offered by the Blue Jays a few weeks ago?
If I was advising Encarnacion, I would probably suggest being fairly aggressive in trying to sign soon. The reality is that, as an aging DH, Encarnacion has a limited supply of teams he can sell himself too, and even if he could get someone to buy him as a first baseman for a year or two, he’s not going to want to sign a one or two year deal, so a deal with someone like the Rockies seems like a pipe dream. Most likely, Encarnacion is going to have to deal with just the AL teams, and as Olney noted, there aren’t that many AL teams left shopping for 1B/DHs with the kind of money to spend he was hoping to get.
The Red Sox were often speculatively linked to Encarnacion due to the retirement of David Ortiz, but there’s a handedness issue there; the team already has right-handers Dustin Pedroia, Mookie Betts, Xander Bogaerts, and Hanley Ramirez at the top of their line-up; adding another right-hander to play DH full-time would make it very difficult for the team to find playing time for a scary left-handed hitter to keep teams from just throwing sinker/slider righties at them in every high leverage situation. There’s a reason the Red Sox keep getting linked to left-handed DHs, and while you don’t want to choose a worse player solely for line-up balance reasons, it probably will discourage Boston from signing Encarnacion at anything other than bargain prices.
So, let’s say the Red Sox are out at anything close to the 4/$80M deal he reportedly had from Toronto, and that Houston and New York would also be looking for a discount in order to fit him into their 1B/DH spots, given their recent signings. What’s left?
The one easy fit left is Baltimore, a team that is known to like one-dimensional sluggers, and could use a right-handed power hitter to replace Mark Trumbo, if he goes elsewhere. With the Orioles slated to get a draft pick if they let Trumbo leave, they could likely justify forfeiting their first-rounder to sign Encarnacion, as they wouldn’t be in a dramatically different draft situation if they choose Encarnacion over Trumbo. And while there’s plenty of risk in signing Encarnacion, throwing a bunch of money at him is probably still better than throwing a slightly smaller amount of money at Trumbo.
After all, even Steamer’s pessimistic +2.3 WAR projection for Encarnacion would almost match Trumbo’s career-best mark of +2.4. And with Chris Davis around as a quality defensive first baseman, Trumbo’s defensive advantage over Encarnacion is wasted in Baltimore, leaving just the significant gap in offensive ability between the two. Plus, signing Encarnacion means they can’t be tempted to stick Trumbo in right field, which isn’t a position he should ever be asked to play again.
If the Orioles are looking at Trumbo at something like the 4/$60M that I guessed he’d sign for, going up to 4/$80M for Encarnacion instead would be a wise investment of the extra $20 million, given how much better Encarnacion is than Trumbo. Their numbers the past three seasons, for reference.
| Name | PA | BB% | K% | ISO | AVG | OBP | SLG | wOBA | wRC+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Edwin Encarnacion | 1,868 | 12% | 17% | 0.275 | 0.269 | 0.361 | 0.544 | 0.384 | 144 | 11.9 |
| Mark Trumbo | 1,574 | 7% | 25% | 0.224 | 0.253 | 0.309 | 0.477 | 0.336 | 110 | 2.0 |
You can think Encarnacion is about to get a lot worse as he ages and still think he’s better than Trumbo, given the enormous gap in value between the two. Trumbo is what Encarnacion might look like if the pessimistic projections come true and he ages poorly. For anything close to the same price, Baltimore should choose the better player.
If I’m Encarnacion’s representatives, I’d be actively marketing myself to Dan Duquette right about now. Get the Orioles to choose to let Trumbo go, reallocate the money they were going to give him (plus a little extra) to get a line-up upgrade, and sell them on finding another cheap outfielder instead, like Duquette has been so good at lately. It’s the one place left where it’s not that hard to see him getting $75 or $80 million, and he’d give them a chance to remain competitive in the AL East.
If Trumbo goes back to Baltimore, though, things get tougher. The Rangers seem not to be big spenders this winter, and they have holes in center field and the rotation they need to address. The Indians don’t seem likely to drop $20 million a year on an aging player. If the Red Sox end up deciding they want a left-handed DH, as they probably should, things could get tough for Encarnacion in a hurry.
So, yeah, Baltimore. That’s the best fit now. They’ve got money to spend, playing time to give, and an affinity for his skillset. Sell yourself as better than Trumbo for not that much more money, and Encarnacion could probably still get a pretty decent deal, maybe even the same kind of offer he turned down from Toronto. If the Orioles re-sign Trumbo before Encarnacion goes off the board, though, he might end up sitting on the market for a while.
Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.
This years Ian Desmond?
Nah… Desmond was young and coming off a bad year and didn’t justify dropping the draft pick.
EE is coming off good peak seasons, but is hampered by only being able to offer his (best) services to half the teams. Someone will emerge soon.
I’m surprised a “crappy” team isn’t in this discusion with a protected draft pick. EE will retain some value and could be flipped this year or next to a contender desperate for a bat.
The funniest part of this is that EE (a better player) is getting labeled as greedy, while the Orioles are trying to talk themselves into a substantially worse deal for Trumbo. The balance of power in the AL is currently in the hands of Dan Duquette… good luck.
The Indians would be a great choice and they should figure out a way to find the money. Offer 4/70 or 3/60 maybe. Their window is right now, and besides Lindor and Ramirez have very little youth. Kluber, Tomlin, Allen, Santana, and Miller are 30 or older. Carrasco, Brantley, and Kipnis are 29. A three or four year deal fits perfectly in their window. Plus, they are quite lefty-heavy, with Kipnis, Brantley, Chisenhall, and Naquin. A righty to balance out the lineup and give some strong on base and power would do them wonders.
With a black hole at catcher in Yan Gomes, they really need another hitter, especially with no idea what Brantley will be like.
Worst case, Brantley isn’t himself and they are basically a similar offensive team to last year with Encarnacion more than replacing Napoli (though Naquin is due for regression). Best case, Brantley returns to his old hitting, Encarnacion is a big upgrade over Napoli, and most of the rest of the hitters don’t regress much.
They are not a high payroll club, but that 2016 World Series money probably would pay for most of EE’s salary.
I don’t think the Indians are in at $80M, but got to be thinking about pouncing pretty soon around $70M. Their only other payroll increases are arbitration raises and they don’t have any other holes to fill. Given that the Royals increased their payroll by about $25M a year after making and losing the WS, the Indians can afford him. Even giving him a 1 year opt-out after front-loading $20-25M would make sense too given the number of alternatives this year.
Mets giving $27.5M to Cespedes after losing in 2015 same boat as the Royals payroll increase.
I can’t see the Indians giving him an opt out because of the cost of draft pick. IE: they give him 3-4 years and hope to recoup the draft pick through a combination of Value AND/OR a midseason trade at some point.
Yeah the opt-out is probably only as a kicker if the Red Sox/Rangers/Os are in the same dollar figure ballpark. They’d be giving up pick #31 though, and would get recoup a 2nd/3rd-rounder (or whatever the overly-complicated new rules are) if he opts-out.
The Indians don’t need to find the money. Dolan already has it; he just won’t spend it.
The Jacobs’ ran a top-5 payroll in the 90s, set a record in consecutive sell-outs, and had one of the best offenses of all-time. Dolan is running a bottom-5 payroll and nothing has changed economically in Cleveland, if anything it’s improved from 15 years ago. They did add a minority owner so there’s a chance for some increase there.
Still holding out hope that Lebron buys an ownership stake and every couple years says, “This All-Star seems like he’d be fun to hang out with” and ponies up the cash to sign him.
“if anything it’s improved from 15 years ago.”
I’m not sure that’s true. This data only goes to 2011, but it shows that inflation-adjusted per capita income in 2011 was actually below 2000. I’m sure some/most of that has recovered since then, but I wouldn’t say it is likely to be dramatically better.
The bad attendance numbers are likely not helping.
http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2012/09/historical_median_household_in.html
Ehhh things have changed though (and generally I like what you’ve been saying on this thread so don’t take this to be dismissive)
The Cleveland market gets smaller every year. The Cleveland Browns were gone during that stretch (1996-1999) and the Cavs were pretty bad from the mid 90s until Lebron was drafted *2003*. In all honesty the market can’t really support three professional sports teams anymore.
In the 90s the Indians played in the nicest arena and were basically only competing against the lackluster Cavs in terms of disposable dollars towards sports. And they were awesome.
When Gilbert bought the Cavs he replaced every seat in the arena and brought a pretty awesome game experience combined with Lebron. Cleveland is a football town and will continue to support the Browns even though they have been one of the poorest managed franchises in professional sports.
I agree the Dolans have overall been pretty cheap, but the financial situation in baseball AND the market has changed pretty significantly since the 1990s.
“Nothing has changed economically in Cleveland”
Not really, but what has definitely changed economically in MLB is that tv deals instead of tickets sales have become the primary driver of revenue. And Cleveland is one of the smallest and poorest markets, and has a very weak tv deal compared to the big boys. Even if they can get back to sellout streaks, they will never make the kind of money that a New York, Boston, or Chicago can.
I don’t think Indians fans are asking to be up with the Yankees, Dodgers, Cubs, and Red Sox. All they’re asking is to be a mid tier payroll team. They believe they shouldn’t be in the same category as the Rays or As.
If the Orioles do sign Trumbo for 3/60 then I will completely agree that not going 4/80 for EE is a mistake.
Apparently Os gave a 4-year offer for Trumbo and he didn’t accept. Unbelievable
It makes sense, but as a Blue Jays fan it would really, really suck to see one of the best players in team history go to Baltimore.
As a fan, I hope he gets every penny and can become a double agent in 3-4 years when he is costing Balt $20m and in massive decline.
C’mon, he is not one of your best players in team history. You guys have a better history than that.
http://www.hallofstats.com/franchise/tor
the 15th best in TOR history, according to HoS, and their best 3B in history. for fun:
All-Time Team
by Hall Rating with the Toronto Blue Jays
C: Ernie Whitt (38)
1B: Carlos Delgado (66)
2B: Roberto Alomar (41)
3B: Edwin Encarnacion (41)
SS: Tony Fernandez (67)
LF: George Bell (34)
CF: Vernon Wells (47)
RF: Jose Bautista (74)
P: Dave Stieb (116)
(for quick reference, 100 is a HOF career; the low numbers for guys like alomar reflect only their time spent in TOR [i.e. alomar put up 41% of a HOF career while with TOR])
It’s kind of ironic that a number of Jays fans were pretty down on them for being cheap and not offering substantially more years and/or a higher AAV than the presumed 4/$80M deal, which is now looking more and more like EE’s ceiling.
EE market looking more like 68/4 or even 54/3. His agent should be pushing for more years than higher aav.
Given his declining market, perhaps the Jays could reduce their offer to 70 over 4 years, then use the 10M in savings to pay down the ill-advised Morales contract such that he could be moved.
It’s over. He’s not coming back. They have signed three players (Smoak, Morales, Pearce) in the last 6 months as signals that they don’t want to bring him back. He’s leaving; accept it and move on with your life.
Toronto’s maybe wishing they would have been patient with Edwin’s market rather than getting all hasty with that scary deal for Morales?
Gosh it sure seemed that everyone knew the market wouldn’t be great for these guys and there was no rush. It looked weird then and it looks more weird now.
Dave,
I don’t see the handedness issue for Boston. The have Benintendi, Bradley, Leon/Swihart, and Sandoval penciled in as starters who bat S or L. Even if they got Encarnacion, that’s more balance than normal, yes?
I understand those hitters are weaker than the RH hitters, but do we really think the LH options being discussed are better hitters than Benintendi or Bradley?
You have a way better feel than me, but also you seemed to dismiss Texas very quickly.
Thanks!
-Tom
Well, maybe not Sandoval. Boston’s current depth chart at 3B looks like:
1. Travis Shaw
2. Brock Holt
3. An empty Wade Boggs 48-pack
4. Sandoval
5. Coin flip
But to your point, those are all lefties or switch hitters anyway.
Pablo is listed first on the team depth chart. He has the highest projection. He is signed for like another $48M. He will start at 3B. If he crashes, then we get Brock Holt until a trade.
I think Seattle could be a sleeper here.
If EE was smart and willing to assume some risk he would go Y2y. He could easily get 25 million for 2017 and each year thereafter if he can sustain his performance. Teams would know they could trade him at the deadline for prospects which enhances his value. Ortiz, Beltran and Arod have shown not every hitter stops hitting in their late 40’s
I was just going to suggest this — but actually he wouldn’t even need to go Y2Y beyond 2017. If he takes a 1-year contract, then under the terms of the new CBA he can’t be given another QO. And then assuming decent performance, he’d be free to sign for something like 3/$60M with no draft pick compensation the following offseason. That way, he’d actually come out ahead of 4/$80M if he gets $25M this year.
Yes. This. Listen, o’s brass. Screw just 2017…over the next 1, 2, 3, or 4 years, EE’s FLOOR is Trumbo’s CEILING!
If teams wait it out until Edwin is willing to sign for three years or less, I wonder if St. Louis would be interested. They’ve said Carpenter is the 2017 first baseman, but an Edwin signing could simply move him back to third. They tend to like that second-tier of player lately (Beltran, Peralta, Leake, Cecil), so a three-years-or-less deal would have to entice them, right? They specifically front-loaded Peralta’s contract in order to trade him in his final year, if necessary, so he’s probably not an issue.
They can talk all they want about acquiring players via trade, but their farm system isn’t great, and Edwin’s bat is a huge upgrade to that lineup. I highly doubt they’d guarantee the fourth year, but if they wanted Edwin enough, they could. There’s not a lot of dead money in the future, and their new TV deal kicks in soon.
Nobody loads a contract to make a guy tradable in the final year. You could just eat part of the final year salary. There are other reasons to front load like tax management or player accepts fewer total dollars.
I totally agree with that concept, but Mozeliak has said those words, and Cardinals’ beat writer Derrick Goold talks about him saying that all the time. I guess Mozeliak could be lying about why he front-loaded it, but I don’t see why he’d do that.
Zobrist has a full no-trade in the first 3 years and $44 million of his current deal, but just a limited no-trade in year 4, when his salary drops to $12 million.